Meeting Rush


The rumor is true. I got a bit of face time with Rush Limbaugh yesterday in the green room. He was as warm and gracious as you’d expect. It was a high honor.

I had lunch with Vice President Cheney a few weeks before he left office and was not nearly as intimidated as I was meeting Rush — the stuttering I had as a child returned.

It was absolutely amazing.

What’s more amazing though is that this guy provides excellence on the radio day in and day out. He speaks without a script, from the heart processed through the head (a key step liberals miss). CPAC attendees recognize just how excellent he is — they named him the most popular conservative out there. He is with reason.

Many, many people would love to marginalize Rush. And a lot of those are people on our side. As Rush rightly pointed out, there are others out there who want to be the voice of the movement. These people’s voices are filled with compromise and capitulation. Instead of standing for something, they want to be liked by the other side.

Rush said the other side will never like us because we are conservatives. To be liked, we must not be conservatives. He’s absolutely right. Our ideas are about freedom and liberty. They do not grow stale. And they only grow as weary as we do.

We must fight on.

A lot of you have asked what you can do. You’ve been to the tea parties. You’ve gotten fired up by Rush. You want to be a part of the movement — fighting for freedom. There’s an easy way. Become a RedState Activist. Join us in the fight for freedom. Let’s not grow tired of fighting for liberty.

Now I need to get working on my radio skills so maybe I can guest host one day.


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The sad part

NickDeringer (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:23AM EST (link)

As a listened to Rush I kept asking myself why aren’t any of our GOP leaders making speeches like this? Rush said very little last night that Boehner or Steele could not say on TV in response to Obama.

We have to make it clear that the Dem agenda is dangerous for the country. It’s not just mistaken, it’s dangerous!

That's actually what's bothering me.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:01PM EST (link)

As a radio commentator/announcer is supposed to help trumphet the main speech of a conservative politician.

In our case, Rush is more conservative, sensical, and combative than the rest of all GOP leaders.

I don’t really understand it but one possible explanation is this:

GOP politicians really take a cue in the liberal/democrat drivels that conservatism is already a thing of the past and the best way for them is to go into the center (read: compromise with the libs/dems.)

Is conservatism really dead? Who are the blood of new conservatives? No me… No you.. but the American children like this boy:

I will shed my own blood in order to protect the future of these children… the future of conservatism in America.

But libs and dems, including their friends in the MSM, cannot be trusted… they will spin, spin, lie, lie, attack, attack, etc. about the conservatives’ intentions with no mercy. Case in point is the lies and attacks of the Liberals… headed by Obama, on Iraq War:

The main weakness of the former Bush Administration had been staying too much at the center and pampering the liberals.

That’s how we lost in the last two election seasons… and still, they don’t get it.

Sad!

If a 13 yr.old gets it

Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:38PM EST (link)

why is it so hard for the adults who actually vote,to get it as well? umm,grooming of liberals takes a long time because it is unnatural, To strip human being of the desire of freedom takes at least what 13 years of public education?

Maggie in Indiana

Same here, Maggie.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:10PM EST (link)

I’m really disappointed with Rep. Cantor and RNC Chair Steele.

If Cantor and Steele don’t like Rush personally, that’s fine with me. But they don’t need to join the MSM bandwagon in dissing Rush.

I think that they do not fully know Rush Limbaugh very well. Maybe they have some misconception of Rush, especially about Rush’s statements about the liberal Jews’ and the African-American community’s full support to Obama during the last election. But those remarks should not be taken “as is” since they were really “snarky” comments.

I don’t really know. Somebody really needs to clarify and rectify this situation.

 
 
 
 

Read elsewhere that M. Steele had dissed Rush.

USNJIMRET (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:24AM EST (link)

Anyone else heard about this?
Word is that on CNN, Steele called some or all of Limbaugh’s remarks “incendiary and ugly”.
I’ll admit that (1) I didn’t watch most of the speech, I did track it here on the live blog thread. And (2) I haven’t heard or read anywhere just what Rush might have said that could be construed as “incendiary and ugly” by anyone with a Conservative bone in their body.
Mayhaps Mr Steele isn’t the correct man for the job of getting Conservatives elected?

This is a disturbing trend

NickDeringer (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:29AM EST (link)

If Steele and the GOP think they can shun Rush Limbaugh Conservatives, they are headed for years, if not decades, in the minority.

For what it's worth, I couldn't quickly find this on CNN.

USNJIMRET (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:33AM EST (link)

And I have things to do today, so I’m not currently able to do a search for it on that place.

 
 

I am sure that's not true for two reasons

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:37AM EST (link)

Michael Steele’s past statements would make such statements out of character and

if he had trashed Rush, it would be all over the Sunday Shows.

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Unfortunately you have this

NickDeringer (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:44AM EST (link)

pathetic - and this guy has been touted as one of the stars?

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:53AM EST (link)

I saw him on Hannity this week refuse to criticize Obama. He fears Obama.

This is quite depressing esp since Rush had Cantor on the show a few weeks ago. I would say that Cantor is quite vague in his criticism. coward

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And this...

USNJIMRET (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:54AM EST (link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4EWB0Wc4wQ

RNC’s Michael Steele calls Limbaugh’s Comments Incendiary and Ugly.flv

It’s a slightly out of context line, sorta, but Steele DOES say “yes, it’s incendiary and Yes it’s ugly….”
But he seems to also be saying it’s no more then what happened to President Bush….as if everything that ever happened to W excuses not only dismissing Rush as ‘just’ an entertainer, but Steele’s own comments as well.
I am disappointed.

That exchange is too short and disjointed for me to condemn Steele

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:52PM EST (link)

Would Ken Blackwell have been 100 times better in responding? Hell yeah. He would have defended Rush and gone on offense. But I’m not ready to throw Steele under the bus based on that.

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Wow, talk about folding like a cheap suit! This is exactly

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:57AM EST (link)

what’s wrong with our leadership–they can’t even agree that they want this socialist experiment with our country to fail! Which leaves a huge amount of confusion for ignorant voters who don’t understand what’s wrong with Obama’s plans for America in the first place.

If we can’t castigate socialism and show the problems with it in comparison to freedom and capitalism, then what have we got?

I agree... that boy who spoke at CPAC looks more

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:25PM EST (link)

like a leader to me than Steele and Cantor.

What are these guys thinking? Pampering with the MSM? MSM’s line is a no-brainer:

“Diss GWB and Limbaugh…. and you’ll be fine with us!”

They are making a big mistake… like the mistakes of John McCain.

 

Cantor's change of tone from the leader against the Stimulus to his deference to Obama

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:54PM EST (link)

the past 10 days is astounding. I wonder if Obama now has a Clinton like mafia with dirt on everyone that they can silence critics with?

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Scared of the Soundbite

djemi (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:58AM EST (link)

Having read what Rush said here

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/01/transcript-rush-limbaughs-address-cpac/

I have to say that I think that Cantor is just scared of the sound bite

“If I can’t shoot rabbits,then I can’t shoot fascist”
“With age, comes Wisdom, but only if you are paying Attention, son” my ‘Old Man’
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That was the whole transcript - to what sound bite do you refer? - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:55PM EST (link)

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fail

djemi (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:38PM EST (link)

Cantor is the one who is scared of the sound bite, he doesn’t want to be the one that gets the you are just like Rush finger pionted at him, same as the rest of them. Come on the Dems andf the drive byes having been setting this up for the last couple of weeks, with the Rush is the leader of the concervitive movement in an attempt to create division in the republican party.

And I want any force, any person, any element of an overarching Big Government that would stop your success, I want that organization, that element or that person to fail

“If I can’t shoot rabbits,then I can’t shoot fascist”
“With age, comes Wisdom, but only if you are paying Attention, son” my ‘Old Man’
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Steele has email doesn't he?

Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:31PM EST (link)

Maybe he just needs to read Rush’s speech a few thousand times. After all we are not the minority just the silent majority.

Maggie in Indiana

 
 
 

R officeholders simply can't bear to be "partisan and mean-spirited."

Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:35AM EST (link)

I don’t know whether it is the way our candidates are recruited, the way our Party works internally, or what; really, I can’t figure it out. Even here, where there isn’t the obscession with collegiality like DC, when the press and the Left start criticizing them, the Rs usually fold.

In Vino Veritas

agreed, and I have come to think that it may be something inherent in traditional republicanism

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:50AM EST (link)

And this may support your point about who is recruited being driven by how they recruit, but maybe even more so by their reluctance to question the motives of liberals. Why? Because they just simply don’t want to face the fact that some of their best friends have such a ridiculous vision of humanity and values. They don’t want to call stupid, stupid as well.

Plus, given the democratic party has dominated American politics for over a century, there are simply so many that have ties to the party and its hard to go against their own relatives.

Conservatism is harder to sell as its benefits are more diffuse. Libs can point to the check the govt send them.

more later
this is a crucial issue that we must master

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Maybe, Achance, it goes back to your many comments on where we find our politicians-- in business.

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:50AM EST (link)

No good businessman wants to turn away a possible customer, so they focus on doing all they can to make that customer think well of them. But if this is the case, then we need to find our leaders somewhere other than in sales positions. My suggestions?

Areas where the participants are used to competition being won by the strongest, most outspoken, most contentious: NASCAR, country music, WWF, USMC, in other words, people with balls and the courage to use them.

What happens if they are bolder?

mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:06PM EST (link)

Will they lose their position? What will happen if they stood up more?

I agree with GC we need to learn soft selling skills to communicate to the public. Obama was a great salesman. He gave people a vision of what life would be like under him and then assumed the sale. He assumed they would vote and talked more about life under him.. McCain did none of that. Besides not attacking the competition’s lies he never gave people a vision if they “bought” him.

I don’t think it’s harder to sell. I’m sure there are exceptions but we have sucky salesman. I wonder if they even understand conversative ideas nevermind try to communicate those ideas to others. They don’t even try.

another thing we have going for us

mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:13PM EST (link)

Is the conservative ideas are based on truth. The liberal stuff is not true. I think that is what gets on my nerves so much when I listen to them. Their arguments and things they say never even make sense. Even if we can’t teach reasoning though we can show it doesn’t work the way they present it.
We have evidence on our side. We need someone that understand how people think and can deconstruct the liberal ideas, show them where these things do not match up AND someone that can explain the conservative ones.

 
 

I think that's a lot of it -

Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:16PM EST (link)

Republican leaders/candidates come out of business through their trade associations, chambers, civic clubs and such where that “hail fellow well met” style, a ready smile and backslap, and executive hair all get you ahead. We dont’ have much in the way of advocacy groups, shadow government non-profits, unions, and all that stuff that the Ds have to recruit and nourish their candidates.

The closest I’ve ever seen Republican operatives come to the fiendish ruthlessness the Ds have is some of them can be devious. Ok, the only thing being devious does in politics is make nobody trust you.

Right now there are a whole bunch of the only people in the Republican Party with any experience running the Government looking for a job. For the most part, they’re going to have to go back to whatever they were doing before the political appointment or go kiss the Democrats’ rings. We don’t have anything to give them. When Ds lose power, they have their whole shadow government of non-profits, unions, etc. to go to and organize, plan, and get ready for coming back to power. Rs start over every time and do stuff like making the general counsel of a horse breeding association the head of FEMA.

In Vino Veritas

This had been a consistent message of yours, Art

civil truth (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:31PM EST (link)

It’s the absence of a shadow political infrastructure (parallel to shadow governments in parliamentary systems) that dooms Republicans again and again; even when they do get into power, they rely on Democrats to effect their programs, which is political suicide.

Democrats have an professional political infrastructure; Republicans have fraternal organizations.

Or it’s like an amateur teams going up against the pros.

It’s also that great plague of American middle class values – the ethic that it is more important to be viewed as nice than to stand up for what is right. That ethic also has sucked the life blood out of Evangelicalism too, but that’s a different thread.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

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civil what does that mean

mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:48PM EST (link)

to effect their programs?

What programs and what does that mean?

thanks :-)

Most Republican administrations

Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:57PM EST (link)

at the state and federal level are actually run mostly by Democrats or congenital ‘crats who lean D. The structure of the federal government was set by sixty years of Democrat power from the New Deal onward. State governments largely replicate the fed. No Republican could staff all the appointed positions with loyal, competent Republican appointees if his/her life depended on it. Many don’t even try; they just put some of their buds in the visible spots and let the government run itself. In eight years, GWB only put a thin veneer of his own appointees in the fed. At the regional level, most departments were still firmly in the hands of Clinton appointees or ‘crats in acting status.

Rest assured that everybody in the federal government who even had a Republican thought in the last eight years is fired or soon will be and the Ds have little baby appointees coming out their ears.

In Vino Veritas

 

I'll try to elaborate with limited time to think it out, mom2oneson

civil truth (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:11PM EST (link)

because I’m heading off to church momentarily.

“to effect” means to “to carry out, to execute”.

And what Art has been teaching us repeatedly, which I agree with, is that almost all government bureaucracies are run by Democrats – or Democrat sympathizers. So when you come in to executive power as a Republican, you find yourself facing a bureaucracy – who are the people who actually carry out the programs and who persist through multiple administrations – that are led by people who are fundamentally hostile to consevative/Republican values – and who will use their knowledge of procedure to obstruct or even sabotage your programs.

The solution of course is to replace the leadership with people who are committed to conservative solutions – but what Art is saying is that there isn’t the infrastructure in place to put these people into control. Whereas the Democrats are loaded for bear when they get into power because of their shadow structures.

And over time, this Democratic preponderance seeps down into the lower ranks, which for instance may explain why the DOJ got into a witch hunt for Stevens while they still can bring any Democrats to trial – and why they were focusing on Red sates rather than Blue states during a REPUBLICAN administration.

And these kinds of insubordination ran rampant through the Federal government.

One of Art’s key criticisms of Sarah Palin (whom I really admire) is that she has relied too much on Democratis in the bureaucracy to carry out her programs and did not clean them out – and on several instances (Troopergate, per diem) they’ve bitten her in the a**.

But Sarah isn’t unique – too many Republican executives fail to clean out the bureaucracy – and have failed to do so for decades – and they keep getting burned. In California, Arnie didn’t take on the bureaucracy properly, got his head handed to him, and now has totally capitulated.

Hope that explains my point a bit better…

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

 
 
 

So what can we do to change this state of affairs?

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:36PM EST (link)

Because unfortunately the Founders meant it when they intended for government service to be temporary, not a career. It’s become a career and that’s what’s killing all of us because they continue to vote for what feathers their own nest and that invariably screws us and the country.

It's not so much the elected officeholders,

Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:30PM EST (link)

there’s plenty of them, though lots only fly the R as a flag of convenience. It is the people just below the officeholders, the appointees who actually run state and federal agencies. Alaska has been a solidly Republican state since the early ’80s though we’ve had some Democrat governors. Yet the State bureaucracy remains overwhelmingly Democrat even under Gov. Palin, especially under Gov. Palin actually. We hired as many Rs as we dared in Murkowski – in running the agencies, friend of Frank wasn’t good enough, though God knows there was plenty of that in the Governor’s office itself. Gov. Palin fired all the Murkowski people, put a few of her buddies in the most visible spots but the bureaucracy even at the appointee level was in large measure appointed by the Democrat Knowles.

In Vino Veritas

 

Rick Santorum made a few applicable comments...

Xasteius (Diary) Monday, March 2nd at 6:08PM EST (link)

Basically, R’s focus too much on the politics end and not on the culture end. Politics follows culture. Too many….lawyers are in this business; not enough journalists, actors, engineers, bakers, butchers, and candlestick makers, etc. are in it.

Republican donors need to start their own version of the D’s support systems.

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

 
 

Achance that is scary nt

mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:46PM EST (link)
 

brilliant point janis - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:41PM EST (link)

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Thanks, Mike, but how do we get people like this

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:48PM EST (link)

to represent us? Recruiting is great, but they have to have the drive and beliefs to do this because they CARE THAT MUCH. That’s what I want, someone who is conservative to the core, can express it, and who wants with every fiber of their being to bring that passionate belief to the government of America.

Yeah, I know, I don’t want much, do I? At least I don’t want a Skittle-sh**ting unicorn. Once the new wears off, it’s just piles of multicolored poop.

Maybe we need to recruit more CONVERTS? instead of GOP lifers?

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:00PM EST (link)

I don’t know. I know that Reagan was a convert. David Horowitz is a convert who advocates the strategy I favor to call Dems out morally. To seize the underdog narrative. Converts become disgusted with the moral rot and it angers and enrages them (see Me).

You see, I came to despise Bill Clinton (not so much the far leftists) because I knew he knew better than to surround his decisions with all the paeans to the far left and the PC crap. I came to see that every time he opened his mouth he was lying because lib policies can’t be justified with the truth.

To know that they are advocating proven failed policies for ulterior motives motivates one to defeat them and emboldens one to call them out morally and in no uncertain terms.

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Converts as candidates is a good idea, Mike. Because converts

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:10PM EST (link)

so often are more passionate about their beliefs, more convinced of their rightness. As a child of the 60′s myself, one raised by staunch Republicans, and one who couldn’t wait to pretend to be a lefty for a while, my love for my country and what it is supposed to be, how it is supposed to function, is much more serious now than when I was so much younger. Freedom is not just a word or a concept, it is everything, it is the air we breathe, the words we say, the choices we make, the things we teach to our children…..

And it is the most precious thing that is under assualt daily, hourly, in this most perilous time in our history. So, yes, converts will do just fine and dandy. How many do you have in stock, Mike? :-)

 
 
 
 
 
 

Limbaugh is still news worthy?

http://berkeleyguy.blogspot.com/ (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 11:57AM EST (link)

The Republican party allowed its party to be high-jacked by single-minded loud mouthed idealogues years and years ago. As long as Republicans embrace the Sean Hannitys, Rush Limbaugh’s, Anne Coulters, and Bill O’Reillys of the world (not to mention Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber) they will not get my vote. And I am an Independent not a Democrat. Unfortunately I see only one party as a party of ideas with a plan to pull us out of this mess.

People that say they want small government usually mean just small enough to fit in your bedroom.

We will not be chasing you fools any longer...

speciallist (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:04PM EST (link)

Squishes…RIP

 

You're an independent if by "independent" you mean "hardcore lefty."

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:05PM EST (link)

Nothing about your profile shows independence, only the same tired leftist tripe that we always see.

Try again because this one was FAIL.

Daily Kos may just like Rush

http://berkeleyguy.blogspot.com/ (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:36PM EST (link)

I believe, more than any one reason, that many independents and republicans voted for a liberal democrat as a rejection to the Limbaugh ‘us against them’ mentality. Rush could be the gift to the liberals that keeps on giving.

People that say they want small government usually mean just small enough to fit in your bedroom.

Yes, you show so much knowledge about what Republicans do and think, berkeley doofus.

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:42PM EST (link)

“So many” Republicans didn’t vote for the Zero, they just stayed home rather than vote for Dem-lite in McCain. And many of them are regretting their choice at this point.

Obama is the gift to the conservatives that will keep on giving. The more despotism he attempts, the more the voters will show up at Tea Parties and other events in protest. 2010 will be an interesting election.

Newt is right.. but his voice is muted by the screaming Ditto-heads

http://berkeleyguy.blogspot.com/ (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:52PM EST (link)

Rush cares about Rush. He likes making money and keeping his ratings up. He is blessed at being a brilliant entertainer.

Rush’ divisive words help calm the savage beast at CPAC by throwing read meat to an orgasmic bubble world crowd. The crowd loves him to his core, no doubt, but the us/them language is a sincere turn-off to most of the public outside CPAC.

If the Conservatives ever want to be in control again, they must be more inclusive. I agree with Newt on this point. If Rush is your standard bearer for winning, good luck in your wilderness journey.

People that say they want small government usually mean just small enough to fit in your bedroom.

If by "inclusive" you mean throwing our principles and core beliefs overboard,

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:01PM EST (link)

then sorry, no sale. That’s what got us where we are now, electing people who wanted to be inclusive instead of standing up for the principles of conservative which are the same principles of freedom.

Many people who think that conservatism is exclusive to only a very small group of people are going to be very surprised to learn that with each passing week of Obama’s reign, they share those same principles. They will learn that when they see what socialism means for freedom and prosperity.

We shall see...

http://berkeleyguy.blogspot.com/ (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:11PM EST (link)

But the demographic shifts are not on the side of turning more states “red”… even Texas is making the shift: http://www.sanangelolive.com/node/1521

Demographics are like the cruise ship of statistics… you see them and they are a-coming… and its not possible to change them without an act of God.

No state is showing any demographic shift towards “red”, none.

Like I said good luck wondering in the orgasmic bubble world of Ditto-Head land.

People that say they want small government usually mean just small enough to fit in your bedroom.

 
 
 
 

Yep

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 12:45PM EST (link)

The objective isn’t to “beat” the left, it’s to convince the left that our method of government will lead to a society all people iwll want to live in. That’s harder to do when they think that we think of them as enemies. It’s their ideas we’re opposed to, not the people. WhenI hear someone telling their friends (i.e.CPAC) that I’m an enemy, I’m less likely to listen to or buy into anything they have to say.

Sorry, bud, but the left IS our enemy. They ally themselves

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:56PM EST (link)

with thugs and dictators the world over with enthusiasm. They applaud and vigorously implement policies that destroy my country and my country’s security both here and abroad.

And if you are the “eudemonist” that I just read on MySpace, you are a perfect example of a lefty–you fail at every single career you attempt and expect others to pick up your slack. How is that helpful to any other citizen of the same country? As for you being “less likely to listen to or buy into anything they have to say”, if you’re a non-producer of anything at all in this country, then I don’t care what you feel or think. You’re nothing but a speedbump.

Hmmm...

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 1:24PM EST (link)

Nice reception for a new guy. Nice to be here.

I’m not sure we’re talking about the same MySpace. Are you referring to my “Occupation: fails every time”? It’s kind of a joke about hostile occupation of a foreign country–itdoesn’t really work. Has nothing to do with my job or career.

I don’t expect anybody to pick up my slack. I work my job and do my thing. Jumping me with personal attacks because you don’t agree with something i said is pretty lame.

This is a direct manifestation of the “enemy” mentality you have. Saying people are speedbumps or that what they think isn’ important is a prime example of why we are losing political ground. What people think is VERY important, because they vote based on how they think. Wouldn’t you agree?

What you think is only important if your thoughts have worth.

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:31PM EST (link)

It is not our place to make you feel valued, your own life should be about that endeavor. And when you show up here for the first time to suggest that we need to be more inclusive and make lefties feel all warm and fuzzy about us, then I’m not particularly interested in getting more of you on my side.

You should study nature more, you know. It’s not referred to as “red in tooth and claw” for nothing. The only time the killing and eating stops is when all involved are running in the same direction from imminent extinction. Kind of like how most of the lefties were “with us” for about 10 minutes after September 11th, 2001.

It's the votes, stupid!

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 1:44PM EST (link)

What are you taliking about, kiling and eating?

The goal isn’t to make lefties feel warm and fuzzy about us, it to turn lefties into righties,

I'm referring to the fact that in politics, as in life,

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:56PM EST (link)

you’re either at the top of the food chain, or you’re on the menu, so to speak.

If someone is a dedicated lefty, we can’t turn him/her. Life circumstances often do that. See “Downy, Robert Jr.” for example. No amount of talking on our part will do the job, in my opinion. The left demonizes every single thing we say, do, or hold sacred.

Therefore, perhaps what is needed is exactly what’s going to happen with Obama and his minions at the helm–hard times aplenty and all around. If that doesn’t turn a bunch of lefties into righties, then nothing will. And that ‘s the example I gave above–imminent extinction will get us headed in the same direction.

Whew...

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 2:16PM EST (link)

Serously, I’m not talking about turning the dedicated lefties. I’m talking about turning the people who deliberate and make judgements based on the information available to them at the time. Ordinary, everday citizens who vote.

Politics is a is about changing the minds of the public about what the Republican brand represents. Using language that reinforces hostility isn’t going to get us where we want to be.

along this line, one of the things Rush did in the first part of his speech

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 2:49PM EST (link)

was to assert that conservatives are for their policies because they care so much about the poor and all Americans that they want policies that actually produce good results and that don’t base laws on skin color.

This si how I have wanted the GOP to reach out to liberals for years.

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We can't persuade the left that they are wrong

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:44PM EST (link)

They don’t share basic American values and long ago declared themselves enemies of much of American history and its economic system. So that those on the left that are turned off by enemy talk are already lost.

Yes, we must engage liberals and non-political types to eprsuade them we are right, but when it comes to election contests, yes, we have to BEAT the other side to preserve the America we love and that has become the greatest nation in history.

As to occupations that worked, see Japan, Germany and Iraq.

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5555^^^^^

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:47PM EST (link)

A Bunny approved comment.

 

People that aren't on ANY side...

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 2:20PM EST (link)

…are turned off by that kind of language, to. It’s Pavlovian conditioning. It’s just how our brains work. Subconcious, even.

The left runs a big spectrum of views, just like the right. A large percentage of them share the same values the rest of us do, they just see a different method of best building government.

In election contests, we “beat” the oppostion by converting their voters.

Occupation...

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 2:25PM EST (link)

I mean extended occupation of an area when opposed by a hostile populace. The Germans did occupy some places–how did that work out for them? Japan…well, okay, maybe, but we didn’t try to annex it.

It’s a friggin’ dumb joke, folks! Reading too much in, methinks…

Sorry, but the word is kind of a buzzword

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 2:34PM EST (link)

for us. Usually it’s used by lefties who want to yank our chain about Iraq. The whole “US Imperialist Presidency” thing. Stick around the neighborhood here and you’ll learn the habits of the denizens. We are prickly when we think we’re being mocked by a troll.

On the good side, once we learn to trust you, you get a much wider latitude.

Sometimes it's used by...

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 2:54PM EST (link)

…people who fail at their careers, too, I guess. ;)

Apology accepted, no sweat. I’ve got thick skin.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

You've obviously never dealt with a dedicated lefty with power.

Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:59PM EST (link)

Your objective had better be to “beat” him, because it is sure as Hell his objective to beat you.

In Vino Veritas

Correct.

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 1:36PM EST (link)

I’ve never dealt with a dedicated lefty with power. I HAVE, however, dealt with not-so-dedicated left-leaning individuals. I don’t know if you would consider them to have “power” or not. They’re just regular, everyday people, with a vote. I’m not a big enough fish to have the opporunity to change the minds of “powerful” people, but I like to contribute in my own tiny way by sharing my conviction with those “little” people I actually do encounter. And when those people get called enemies, it makes my job harder.

I think that the people that recognize they are being called enemies

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:45PM EST (link)

are already our enemies.

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I still think...

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 1:53PM EST (link)

…we should be careful to oppose the ideas, not the people.

One of the main distinguishing characteristics of the left

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:59PM EST (link)

is that they think conservatives are bad people that don’t care for the poor, while we think their ideas are wrong. In general.

I think you are reading too much into the enemy comment. We mean political enemy, kind of like the Cardinals were the Steelers’ enemy in the Super Bowl, but I get your point.

I would only say that anyone that is hanging their hat of staying a liberal on the enemy claim is really someone that simply wants to stay a liberal for social reasons and doesn’t want to have to think and actually explain why they think liberal policies are better.

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You're ABSOLUTELY right...

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 2:10PM EST (link)

The perception that we are bad people that want to “consolidate money and power” and “keep people down” is the number one issue used to trun people against us.

I may be reading too much into it,I’ll agree. It really isn’t a big deal, except that, to me, it feeds into that number one obstacle mentioned above, and as such strikes one of my pet peeves. Perhaps people are reding too much into my (mild) dilike for that particular comment?

I doubt anyone would stay a liberal just because of that particular comment. In fact, I don’t think most people would change their views based on ANY one particular comment, no matter how outrageous. Every action is based on a great number of influential factors.
I do, though, think it could be one factor, which, when taken in consideration along with a number of additional factors, could lead a person to check a D box on election day. It’s just something that people hear that turns them off, is all.

agreed - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 2:42PM EST (link)

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eudemonist, you are absolutely right.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:19PM EST (link)

At least the part about “[t]he objective isn’t to ‘beat’ the left…” Stop right there.

We don’t need to “beat” them. We need to destroy them. Politically, professionally and personally. We need to show them to be who they are: vampires sucking the life out of the nation and her citizens. We should be working day and night to marginalize them to the point that their families register as Republicans and refuse to associate with them.

It’s their ideas we’re opposed to and we should be opposed to them personally in the very same way you would be opposed to your 16 year old daughter bringing home a convicted serial rapist who’s out of prison on work release. Except that liberals are more dangerous.

I’d rather have Osama bin Laden to dinner than any elected Democrat because my reaction would be the same. And it’s not printable at Redstate.

Look...

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 1:29PM EST (link)

…dude, comparing people to serial rapists is no gonna get them to change their political views and agree with our principles.

To “beat” them, we have to convince quite a few of them that our way of thinking, acting, and legislating is correct.

Define "our" eudemonist. n/t

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:33PM EST (link)

no text

You want my whole platform?

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 1:41PM EST (link)

It’d take a long time to relay my stance on every issue. Suffice it to say the Republican party is far closer to my conservative ideals that the Democratic.

Fetuses are people, no handouts, minimize government, well-armed populous sum it up quick?

 

You want my whole platform?

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 1:41PM EST (link)

It’d take a long time to relay my stance on every issue. Suffice it to say the Republican party is far closer to my conservative ideals that the Democratic.

Fetuses are people, no handouts, minimize government, well-armed populous sum it up quick?

Two points...

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:45PM EST (link)

Don’t call me “dude”.

Second, I really don’t give a hell fired damn about what any elected Democrat thinks about us. Please note that my comments are directed toward “elected” D’s. You’re not changing their minds on anything, they gave their “minds” up a long time ago.

They need to be presented as the enemy of this nation. That message needs to be reinforced at every opportunity. The middle WILL listen and they will walk away from them.

We continue to make nice-nice with “our friends on the other side of the aisle” and we’ll be in the minority for another 40 years. Get over it.

Haha...

eudemonist Sunday, March 1st at 1:51PM EST (link)

…you compare people to kiddie rapists, then get uptight about being called “dude”? You’re not serious, right?

Ok, it’s better if your comments are directed at “elected” Dems. Unfortunately, that’s not what people take from them. I didn’t recognize the distinctions you were making, anyhow.
I’m not talking about trying to change the minds of people in office (though the legislature is SUPPOSED to be a “deliberative” body_), I’m talking about changing the minds of the people who voted for them.
The best way to “destroy” elected dems is to get them voted out, which we do by changing the minds of the people who voted for them. That’s all i’m saying.

I don't really care if you can read or not.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 2:42PM EST (link)

And I really don’t care about your opinion, of me especially.

You’re an ignorant fool if you think that “voting them out” is the best way to remove them from the scene. Worked really well in 2000 didn’t it.

You can run along now. Your troll clothes are showing.

 
 

This is a CRUCIAL point. For someone to be willing to associate themselves with the Dem Party

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:52PM EST (link)

as an elected official, given the behavior of the Dem party in advocating failed econ policies, race based laws and weakness on defense for the past 40 years, means that they have sold out long ago.

thanks for the earlier 5s my man

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Not really. The Left is only a small protion of liberals. - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:46PM EST (link)

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The gift that keeps on giving are McCain-like republicans that want to be liked by the libs-nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:21PM EST (link)

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Another idiot chimes in! Go away troll. nt

Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:05PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

 

Can we invoke Hinz Rule here, Mr. rbwiggins????!!!!!!

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:15PM EST (link)

Is he the official representative of UCB’s libs and dems?

… is he a troll?

Wow, quite a rally! It's like a blitzkrieg!

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:17PM EST (link)

Guerrilla attack… I must say.

Rod, we were looking for someone to kick and he volunteered.

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:30PM EST (link)

Now he needs to come back and respond so we can kick him some more. There’s something deliciously righteous about kicking the crap out of a troll on a Sunday morning

he he! nt

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:56PM EST (link)
 

yes, but it is sad that so many on our side want to blam them

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:47PM EST (link)

I like the opportunity to refute them with fact based arguments.

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Rod...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:47PM EST (link)

Dowdy’s whole post based failure on what Rush didn’t say. It’s a pattern that’s been repeated here many times.

In berkeley guy’s case, it appears he has not been entirely honest.

As indicated down-thread.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 
 

Hey berkeley guy...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:32PM EST (link)

Is this you?

phoenix lady,

I agree with you 100%! The Republican party allowed its party to be high-jacked by single-minded loud mouthed idealogues years and years ago. As long as Republicans embrace the Sean Hannitys, Rush Limbaugh’s, Anne Coulters, and Bill O’Reillys of the world (not to mention Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber) they will not get my vote. And I am an Independent not a Democrat. Unfortunately I see only one party as a party of ideas with a plan to pull us out of this mess.

Posted by: indy_voter | Mar 1, 2009 11:09:46 AM

Or, did you conveniently forget to cite the original source?

(Hat tip to EagleWatcher for the link.)

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

Good one, rbdwiggins! Happy Bunny needs to make an appearance.

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:38PM EST (link)

This guy couldn’t even come up with his own talking points, or, if those are his words originally, couldn’t say anything new. Maybe it’s his version of the Trolleprompter.

Bunny is taking his late morning nap. But, given

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:21PM EST (link)

the prolific number of Mobys, Trolls and RonPaul™ jerkoffs, he may be getting up soon. He’ll be in a bad mood.

Good, I'm counting on his bad mood. n/t

janis (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:26PM EST (link)

I am loving the opportunity to refute the arguments of liberals

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:30PM EST (link)

I love it when trolls come here. It is an opportunity to make our case in combat and maybe show the Cantors and Steele’s the way.

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rbdwiggins... you're Kool!

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:53PM EST (link)

Good catch.

It’s so funny!

 

Same misspellings! nt

Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:01PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

 
 

You guys just can't help yourself when it comes to her, can you?

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 2:36PM EST (link)

It’d be funny if it wasn’t so creepy.

Moe

PS: I took the liberty of updating your username so that people can assess your quote-unquote “independence.” And may I offer the final observation that it looks like you won’t be able to get all those Kurds killed after all?

Enjoy the next four years, bigot.

 
 

Republicans need to remember War is Ugly

Greg (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:15PM EST (link)

Until they remember this, We as a conservative party will loose and keep loosing… We need to get ugly and call it out for what it is.

 

Squishes and wimps

Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:28PM EST (link)

of course are going to disagree with Rush they have made their careers out of half heatedly supporting the agenda of the GOP and the conservative movement. To come out and applaud Rush’s statements would end their shameless careers and give us the room to expand ours.

I say good riddance and don’t let the door hit ya on the way out!

Maggie in Indiana

 

Steele v. Rush

gibbysr (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 12:30PM EST (link)

If Michael Steele, who I supported for the RNC Chair actually said in reply to Rush’s speech yesterday that he said incendiary and ugly things he might be right. But what Rush said was the truth. The conservatives need to get fired up and right back. How could he say anything else when he spoke about Obama and his administration, his congress. Look at what they are doing. It IS ugly. The pork, the fiscally irresponsible behavior, imposing federal rule onto states rights, etc. I can’t think of anything they have done that is not ugly. I’ve listended to Steele on Fridays as he host the Bennett’s America and he speaks along the lines of Rush. We can’t play nice with the liberals, we are difference as conservatives and we must show everyone what our core principles are and stand by them. So I hope he is not backing down now.

From USNJIMRET

http://berkeleyguy.blogspot.com/ (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:02PM EST (link)

USNJIMRET gave the link for Mr. Steele’s quote about Rush:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4EWB0Wc4wQ

RNC’s Michael Steele calls Limbaugh’s Comments Incendiary and Ugly.flv

It’s a slightly out of context line, sorta, but Steele DOES say “yes, it’s incendiary and Yes it’s ugly….”
But he seems to also be saying it’s no more then what happened to President Bush….as if everything that ever happened to W excuses not only dismissing Rush as ‘just’ an entertainer, but Steele’s own comments as well.
I am disappointed.

People that say they want small government usually mean just small enough to fit in your bedroom.

However, like a couple of other people

USNJIMRET (Diary) Sunday, March 1st at 1:27PM EST (link)

I notice that as soon as Steele finishes with the word “ugly” the camera switch’s to whoever that other dude was, not DL.
Without the unedited video, I have no idea what Steele said after the word ugly, and have to admit that it is entirely possible that I am being overly judgmental.
I would also note that Mr Steele hasn’t, yet(?), gone on any noted outlets to condemn anything that might very well have been edited to make one thing look like something different.
Not that the DBM ever does anything like that. Or that someone with an ‘agenda’ wouldn’t, for the net.