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	<title>Comments on: Specter, Snowe, and Collins Premise Their Vote on a Lie</title>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: olsmithie</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/02/09/specter-snowe-and-collins-premise-their-vote-on-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-17821</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are the very people the big tent crowd has beaten us about the head over as people we need to emulate to attract Moderates and independents when the truth is, they are radical pro choice fiscal liberals that serve no useful purpose to the Republican Party or freedom loving limited government pro life conservatives what so ever...my only surprise is that Voinovich, McCain, Graham and the rest of the unprincipled crap weasels in the Rockefeller wing didn&#039;t join them in the vote...of course...we&#039;re only a month into the Obama presidency and I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll make up for it soon enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are the very people the big tent crowd has beaten us about the head over as people we need to emulate to attract Moderates and independents when the truth is, they are radical pro choice fiscal liberals that serve no useful purpose to the Republican Party or freedom loving limited government pro life conservatives what so ever&#8230;my only surprise is that Voinovich, McCain, Graham and the rest of the unprincipled crap weasels in the Rockefeller wing didn&#8217;t join them in the vote&#8230;of course&#8230;we&#8217;re only a month into the Obama presidency and I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll make up for it soon enough!</p>
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		<title>By: asleep06</title>
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		<dc:creator>asleep06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is news to me.  Has anyone heard about this??    :

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&amp;refer=columnist_mccaughey&amp;sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties.  “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is news to me.  Has anyone heard about this??    :</p>
<p>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&amp;refer=columnist_mccaughey&amp;sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs</p>
<p>Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.</p>
<p>Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).</p>
<p>The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.</p>
<p>But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”</p>
<p>Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.</p>
<p>New Penalties</p>
<p>Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties.  “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)</p>
<p>What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.</p>
<p>The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.</p>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
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		<dc:creator>bs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s only $780B instead of $870B?  Gosh.  That just totally changed my mind.  A whole $90B less?  Wow.  I was so wrong.

:rolls eyes several times:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s only $780B instead of $870B?  Gosh.  That just totally changed my mind.  A whole $90B less?  Wow.  I was so wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Maidment</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/02/09/specter-snowe-and-collins-premise-their-vote-on-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-17817</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Maidment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...one could hardly call them &quot;fiscally conservative.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;one could hardly call them &#8220;fiscally conservative.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kyle8</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/02/09/specter-snowe-and-collins-premise-their-vote-on-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-17816</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was on this site and others saying that if the Democrats got 60 votes, 59 or 58 really did not matter, They could always peel off enough rino votes to get whatever they wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was on this site and others saying that if the Democrats got 60 votes, 59 or 58 really did not matter, They could always peel off enough rino votes to get whatever they wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: Praying</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s all this I hear about the intellectual elite in the Northeast?  Of course, in their defense, those are really BIG number they&#039;re talking about.  They don&#039;t even fit on your basic TI calculator.  Of course, if any of them had had any advanced math or science courses, they would have heard of exponents.  So if you can&#039;t figure it out in your head, you can still use your calculator to do the math.  Unless you&#039;re an intellectual elite from the Northeast.  What other excuse do you have for not being able to understand that  $838,200,000,000 is BIGGER than $819,500,000,000?  It&#039;s like this: 8.38 E11 &gt; 8.20 E11.  But hey, I&#039;m just a red neck from Tennessee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s all this I hear about the intellectual elite in the Northeast?  Of course, in their defense, those are really BIG number they&#8217;re talking about.  They don&#8217;t even fit on your basic TI calculator.  Of course, if any of them had had any advanced math or science courses, they would have heard of exponents.  So if you can&#8217;t figure it out in your head, you can still use your calculator to do the math.  Unless you&#8217;re an intellectual elite from the Northeast.  What other excuse do you have for not being able to understand that  $838,200,000,000 is BIGGER than $819,500,000,000?  It&#8217;s like this: 8.38 E11 &gt; 8.20 E11.  But hey, I&#8217;m just a red neck from Tennessee.</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/02/09/specter-snowe-and-collins-premise-their-vote-on-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-17814</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just the beginning...watch the slime bags line up to confirm every one of Obama&#039;s judges after helping the Democrats block Bush&#039;s over the last eight years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just the beginning&#8230;watch the slime bags line up to confirm every one of Obama&#8217;s judges after helping the Democrats block Bush&#8217;s over the last eight years!</p>
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		<title>By: JSobieski</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/02/09/specter-snowe-and-collins-premise-their-vote-on-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-17812</link>
		<dc:creator>JSobieski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but the point is worth making. People need to be reminded that &quot;moderate&quot; Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats will ultimately NOT stand up and oppose a bill that the majority of Americans oppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but the point is worth making. People need to be reminded that &#8220;moderate&#8221; Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats will ultimately NOT stand up and oppose a bill that the majority of Americans oppose.</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/02/09/specter-snowe-and-collins-premise-their-vote-on-a-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-17811</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s just that no one has ever bothered to challenge the falsehood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s just that no one has ever bothered to challenge the falsehood</p>
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		<title>By: 6eorge Jetson</title>
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		<dc:creator>6eorge Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it&#039;s forty y&#039;know
With a little bit of pluck
But for three traitor schmuck
So we&#039;re off to the recon.  O!

It&#039;s an all-too-far left
And adios right
C&#039;mon you three dummies
Get your right vote right
Get offstage you RINO goofs, y&#039;know...
You tick me off
You stupid jerks
Get on my nerves

Well here comes Arlen
With his hat in his hand
He&#039;s an Obama man
And he&#039;s off to the recon. O!

It&#039;s an all-too-far left
And adios right
C&#039;mon you three dummies
Get your right vote right
Get offstage you RINO goofs, y&#039;know...
You tick me off
You stupid jerks
Get on my nerves</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#8217;s forty y&#8217;know<br />
With a little bit of pluck<br />
But for three traitor schmuck<br />
So we&#8217;re off to the recon.  O!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an all-too-far left<br />
And adios right<br />
C&#8217;mon you three dummies<br />
Get your right vote right<br />
Get offstage you RINO goofs, y&#8217;know&#8230;<br />
You tick me off<br />
You stupid jerks<br />
Get on my nerves</p>
<p>Well here comes Arlen<br />
With his hat in his hand<br />
He&#8217;s an Obama man<br />
And he&#8217;s off to the recon. O!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an all-too-far left<br />
And adios right<br />
C&#8217;mon you three dummies<br />
Get your right vote right<br />
Get offstage you RINO goofs, y&#8217;know&#8230;<br />
You tick me off<br />
You stupid jerks<br />
Get on my nerves</p>
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		<title>By: JSobieski</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSobieski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, another myth is dispelled.

Frankly, I am a bit surprised that no democrats crossed the line on this one.  I mean, we are talking about the biggest decision to waste money in all of human history.

Not exactlly fiscally responsible, much less conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, another myth is dispelled.</p>
<p>Frankly, I am a bit surprised that no democrats crossed the line on this one.  I mean, we are talking about the biggest decision to waste money in all of human history.</p>
<p>Not exactlly fiscally responsible, much less conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after support for this travesty had hit 37% approval with the public...

Am I stupid or is this like a bad dream that just keeps repeating itself in an endless loop...Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats...along come this bunch and yanks the rug out...Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats...along come this bunch and yanks the rug out...Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats...along come this bunch and yanks the rug out...Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats...along come this bunch and yanks the rug out...Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats...along come this bunch and yanks the rug out...Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats...along come this bunch and yanks the rug out...Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats...along come this bunch and yanks the rug out...Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats...along come this bunch and yanks the rug out

&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:2em&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#ff0000&quot;&gt;DADDY....PLEASE MAKE THEM STOP THE RIDE....I WANT TO GET OFF!!!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.mysmilie.de/smilies/big/2/img/007.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Pulling Faces 2&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after support for this travesty had hit 37% approval with the public&#8230;</p>
<p>Am I stupid or is this like a bad dream that just keeps repeating itself in an endless loop&#8230;Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats&#8230;along come this bunch and yanks the rug out&#8230;Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats&#8230;along come this bunch and yanks the rug out&#8230;Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats&#8230;along come this bunch and yanks the rug out&#8230;Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats&#8230;along come this bunch and yanks the rug out&#8230;Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats&#8230;along come this bunch and yanks the rug out&#8230;Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats&#8230;along come this bunch and yanks the rug out&#8230;Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats&#8230;along come this bunch and yanks the rug out&#8230;Republicans gain their footing and make progress against the Democrats&#8230;along come this bunch and yanks the rug out</p>
<p><span style="font-size:2em"><span style="color:#ff0000">DADDY&#8230;.PLEASE MAKE THEM STOP THE RIDE&#8230;.I WANT TO GET OFF!!!</span></span></p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those so called socially moderate, fiscally conservative north eastern Republicans that are our only hope as Republicans of ever winning elections again?

Ohh...and they&#039;re the ringmasters of the circus that is the RMSP....but I&#039;ve already said that a thousand times haven&#039;t I?

Where are all those squishes that were so busy pounding and pummeling us for excluding the supposed fiscal conservative social moderates before the elections and whining about circular firing squads now? Ohh and best of all...where are all those spouting off that we need these people to stop the Democrats from getting to 60? As if having these guys on our side meant anything anyway!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those so called socially moderate, fiscally conservative north eastern Republicans that are our only hope as Republicans of ever winning elections again?</p>
<p>Ohh&#8230;and they&#8217;re the ringmasters of the circus that is the RMSP&#8230;.but I&#8217;ve already said that a thousand times haven&#8217;t I?</p>
<p>Where are all those squishes that were so busy pounding and pummeling us for excluding the supposed fiscal conservative social moderates before the elections and whining about circular firing squads now? Ohh and best of all&#8230;where are all those spouting off that we need these people to stop the Democrats from getting to 60? As if having these guys on our side meant anything anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: atlaspuked</title>
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		<dc:creator>atlaspuked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a resident of PA, I am anxious to send Snarlin&#039; Arlin packing.  Specter apparently thinks PA is too blue to stomach a Republican with a hint of principle (he certainly wasn&#039;t thinking of whats best for the country).  For what its worth I have been rather disengaged during the Bush years.  Can&#039;t say how much of that applies to all PA voters but we&#039;ll find out in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a resident of PA, I am anxious to send Snarlin&#8217; Arlin packing.  Specter apparently thinks PA is too blue to stomach a Republican with a hint of principle (he certainly wasn&#8217;t thinking of whats best for the country).  For what its worth I have been rather disengaged during the Bush years.  Can&#8217;t say how much of that applies to all PA voters but we&#8217;ll find out in 2010.</p>
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