Barack Obama’s Dangerous Game


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The media, let’s face it, want Barack Obama to succeed. They’ll want him to succeed until the moment Americans start getting slaughtered again in American streets by terrorists. And then they’ll want him to succeed even more.

But we must be prepared to set the record straight.

I am deeply concerned that Leon Panetta, a man with no prior intelligence experience, is Obama’s pick for CIA. Obama was scared to make a legitimate pick because the anti-American left opposed John O. Brennan.

And it is crucial to understand this point. Whatever else the CIA may be, it’s not simple. And because the American people entrusted the presidency to someone who needs to learn on the job, we cannot afford for critical advisers to also be learning on the job.

General Michael Hayden and John O. Brennan are career guys. They are not partisans. I could not tell you if either one was a Republican or Democrat or even if they voted.

They are professionals. But because they are connected to the Bush administration and the War on Terror, Obama is throwing them out.

These are the men who have kept us safe and alive for eight years. It was not Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld forcing policy positions on the intelligence community. It was the intelligence community making recommendations that were embraced by Cheney, Rumsfeld, and ultimately the President.

Make no mistake. Leon Panetta is a good man. But the CIA is not the OMB. Lives are at stake, not dollars. It is going to be very difficult for Leon Panetta to get up to speed on the way the CIA works. Leon Panetta is a political guy, not an intelligence guy.

That Obama is sweeping out career intelligence officers is a clear sign he intends to clear out the policies these intelligence officers advocated and implemented — the very same policies that kept us safe for eight years.

But there is an additional, very serious issue at stake here.

The low level guys, the Jack Bauers if you will, are seeing all of this. They see a President right now who made tough decisions in secret and stood by those decisions when they became public, even though those decisions were hugely unpopular. The low level guys intrinsically knew they could kill bad men in undisclosed locations and be supported if the lights came on.

These same men see the incoming President unwilling to stand behind one of their own — a career CIA officer in John O. Brennan. It is an unspoken message to all of them that should they take the bold action needed to keep freedom secure, they may not be backed up by President Obama should the actions come to light.

They will therefore return to their state of being prior to 9/11. And darkness will again start creeping from the shadows.

Barack Obama is playing a dangerous game; a game that will probably see many of us killed. And we should not be shy about saying so.


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5! Excellent, Erick

randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 11:59AM EST (link)

I am disgusted that this media is so glib on this subject. They treat this guy’s total lack of experience as a side-bar, rather than dealing with it as the serious national security threat it really is.

 

More on Panetta - Obama's Panetta pick bodes ill for CIA

izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 12:01PM EST (link)

Obama’s Panetta pick bodes ill for CIA

http://www.upi.com/news/issueoftheday/2009/01/06/Obamas_Panetta_pick_bodes_ill_for_CIA/UPI-97421231256244/

Most damagingly, the national security officials in the Clinton administration whom Panetta will most probably lean upon and listen to were catastrophically complacent, passive and ignorant in failing to recognize the growing threat of al-Qaida, even after it had bombed two U.S. embassies in East Africa and killed hundreds of people.

The CIA and the FBI were both hogtied by endless bureaucratic and legalistic constraints that allowed al-Qaida cells to establish themselves within the domestic United States and plot the Sept. 11, 2001, atrocities with impunity during the years Panetta was chief of staff.

During those years, one of Panetta’s closest associates was then-national security adviser Sandy Berger, who, after leaving office, publicly admitted to having stolen hundreds of pages of top-secret national security documents from the U.S. National Archives and then destroying them.

However, it was precisely the Clinton administration’s national security team’s obsession with running a legalistically and morally clean ship that spared Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants in al-Qaida.

Reluctance to act decisively and ruthlessly against the bin Laden plotters enabled them to perpetrate the attacks of Sept.11, 2001. On at least one occasion, the CIA and the U.S. armed forces had the chance to pre-emptively kill bin Laden, whose determination to carry out mega-attacks against United States was well known. But by the time lawyers’ and political administrators’ approval had ponderously filtered back down the chain of command, bin Laden was out of range of a missile attack and the chance was lost.

If Panetta is confirmed and then concentrates on keeping intelligence operations simon-pure, the results could prove to be even more catastrophic on a far grander scale.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 

Once Again...

tsquare (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 12:10PM EST (link)

Panetta is touted as a ‘budget expert’

He is being placed in the CIA to gut it… that’s it. End of story.

“They” don’t think we will be attacked because “everyone” loves them and The One.

When the attack comes… and it will… excuses will be made.

Tens of thousands of people will have to die for the left to (maybe) understand that George Bush was right.

The left will never say Bush was right

izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:01PM EST (link)

even if 100,000 or 1,000,000 die.
Hitler killed over 6,000,000 Jews and
the left are up in arms because the
Jews are defending themselves.

It is truly us against them.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 

From his Institute site:

phxg (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 12:40PM EST (link)

Panetta left Congress in 1993, at the beginning of his ninth term, to become Director of the Office of Management and Budget for the incoming Clinton administration.

This is clearly an Obama directed choice. He prefers people with a history of Congressional and non-leadership positions around him. Beyond the psychology of those choices is one underlying fact; Panetta is first and foremost an individual who will place upon enemies of the US the access to a court of law, and of course the innocent until proven guilty ideal.

In his own words:

Fear is blinding, hateful, and vengeful. It makes the end justify the means. And why not? If torture can stop the next terrorist attack, the next suicide bomber, then what’s wrong with a little waterboarding or electric shock?

The simple answer is the rule of law….

And there it is. That directive will be placed upon the CIA operatives in far away lands doing things that only CIA operatives know and understand and we will be less safe; because of the rule of law.

What’s next, use of Sharia?

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. –Aristotle

 

Erick, I agree with you, but I have one small problem....

Cheetah772 (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 12:58PM EST (link)

The problem is with your last paragraph:

Barack Obama is playing a dangerous game; a game that will probably see many of us killed. And we should not be shy about saying so.

No offense, but if you look at my profile and comments I’ve made on this site, you’ll know that I’m no defender of Obama, but I think in this case, you are mistaken on this single point.

I believe that on EVERY president’s watch, some Americans are going to die, period. It’s just a matter of how, why, where, and when they died and what sort of impact it will have on America’s strategic interests. Though to be sure, you probably meant that MORE Americans will die on Obama’s watch, I would probably agree with you. Is that what you actually meant?

Maybe it is far more accurate to say that even if few Americans die on Obama’s watch, America’s strategic position could be greatly diminished to the point where it is made impossible to return to the former position of power.

Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

Certainly deaths will occur, accidental and not so much.

phxg (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 1:59PM EST (link)

But if a president enacts policies that increase the number of Americans’ deaths then he is responsible for endangering those people needlessly placing the “fair treatment” of our enemies above the lives of our operatives.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. –Aristotle

 
 

There are many times that an outsider is a good thing....

MelZ (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 12:58PM EST (link)

and I am usually a proponent of “outsiders”. In private business or in certain places in government often someone with little experience in the exact field can be a blessing.

But intelligence is NOT one of those places. The complexity of it all, not to mention the security issues we face in this dangerous world…well the point has been very WELL made, with the POTUS learning on the job, perhaps high up advisors should bring a little experience to the table.

This is VERY disturbing (but not surprising).

MelZ

 

I have a hard time getting too worked up about this

zuiko (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 1:10PM EST (link)

Considering just how bad the CIA has been for a long time now, and just how bad Tenet was despite how long he had been involved in intelligence (and in fact, how long he had been DCI). Being familiar with how the CIA works didn’t really do much to enhance Tenet’s performance. I don’t see it as a deal breaker here.

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman

It's really simple

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 1:11PM EST (link)

Never. Give. Him. A. Break.

Always. Fight.

It worked against Bush you know.

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Well you have to pick and choose

zuiko (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 1:17PM EST (link)

Otherwise you are just outraged about everything and why should anybody listen to anything you say about the truly outrageous stuff he does?

The only reason it worked against Bush was you had an administration that wanted to set a “New Tone” and was willing to cave to the left (or actively adopt their positions) on almost anything in pursuit of that.

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman

So how does not fighting help?

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 1:36PM EST (link)

Let’s assume this administration will fight back. Why let them keep their powder dry? Our credibility won’t go up. Theirs can only go down.

Drag them down.

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We can actually win battles

zuiko (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:11PM EST (link)

If we concentrate our fire where it matters. As opposed to spreading out all the outrage everywhere and not winning on anything. I would suggest Holder would be a much better place to do that than say, Panetta. Or the $1T+ “stimulus” package.

There are bigger fish to fry than a guy who will probably run the CIA about as well as any recent DCI has (not much in the way of competition there). He might even surpass a guy like Tenet… not that that would be much of a trick, either.

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman

But our resources aren't limited

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:18PM EST (link)

We can hit everything at once. We’re a big community.

So I still don’t see it, I guess.

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Sure it is

zuiko (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:26PM EST (link)

Just as attention was limited for (and squandered by) the boy who cried wolf, our resources (attention, time, cooperation from RINOs) are similarly limited. We can be outraged at everything Obama does for the next 4 years and scream at the top of our lungs, but people will catch on and stop paying attention to us almost immediately.

Now if we had the MSM on our side, maybe we could get that game to work, by having them help us out by validating our shrill proclamations on anything and everything Obama does. When you have the MSM working against you there is no way constant outrage is going to work.

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman

The problem with that notion is

Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 3:43PM EST (link)

Some will take not being outraged at everything and turn it into not being outraged at anything. To my mind, picking one of Obama’s appointees and raising #3|| about it isn’t being outraged at everything, and I can’t think of an appointee so far of Obama’s that’s stood up that’s worse than this one is.

So why don’t we concentrate our early fire on this one?

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

Well we disagree

zuiko (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 3:56PM EST (link)

I think a lot of his nominees are worse than this one… not the least of which would be Holder. So if we are going to concentrate our fire, I’d rather do it on Holder than Panetta. There’s a heck of a lot more ammo to use against Holder as well.

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman

 
 
 
 
 
 

I'm with Zuiko on this one. Fighting on little things

icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:11PM EST (link)

will not help us. Obama is not Bush; we can expect Obama not to give as much in response, so we should harbor our energies for major concerted pushes on the most important issues to bring maximum pressure to bear.

I'm sorry but the CIA is not a little thing (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:18PM EST (link)

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If I was convinced he was going to do any worse

zuiko (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:30PM EST (link)

Than any of the other caretakers of that steaming pile have done for the past decade (and longer), I might have reason to be concerned. The fact that I don’t makes this a little thing. The fact that Obama isn’t going to nominate someone better and will likely find someone much worse to nominate makes this a *very* little thing.

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman

My sister is a member of the steaming pile of dung

kayfromcarroll Tuesday, January 13th at 11:12PM EST (link)

that you so colorfully describe as our national security. There are so many things involved that you don’t know. The caretakers of “that steaming pile” have allowed us to live incident-free in the United States for the last 7 years.

Let’s see how long we have to wait for an attack on our soil under the Obama/Panetta CIA? If we go longer than 7 years, I will eat my words.

You know through the MSM of approximately 8-10 foiled attempts at bombings in our country. I don’t want to know how many others have been kept under wraps due to national security concerns. I think it would stagger many of us to know the number.

Just Sayin’

Spare me

zuiko (Diary) Wednesday, January 14th at 12:17PM EST (link)

They seem to have plenty of people working for them that have no problem calling up the NYT and dishing out the classified info so long as it makes the CIA come out looking better than the administration. If it hurts the country, that’s just acceptable collateral damage. The real enemy in all this is the Bush administration, anyway, not the terrorists. They aren’t going to get any kudos from me for allowing that kind of thing to happen and continue to happen.

9/11 was an massive intelligence failure and there have been many since 9/11. Things have been hardly “incident free” since 9/11 either. I guess you have to murder at least 3,000 Americans on US soil for it to count as an incident in most people’s books, but there have been major terrorist attacks around the world against our allies and interests. There have even been terrorist attacks on US soil (anthrax anyone?) that have gone unsolved and unanswered. There have been plenty of small scale attacks in the US by people who just happen to be Muslims that attended radical mosques, but that is all just coincidental if you believe our homeland security apparatus. No terrorism to see here.

CIA is a problem and has been a problem for a while now… if you don’t see that, well I can’t help you there.

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman

 
 
 

agreed, neil

icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 3:07PM EST (link)

i was speaking generally without thinking of the particular issue at hand

zuiko’s realistic viewpoint below is a good one, though, i think

 

agreed, neil

icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 3:07PM EST (link)

i was speaking generally without thinking of the particular issue at hand

zuiko’s realistic viewpoint below is a good one, though, i think

 
 
 
 

Neil!

tsquare (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 1:44PM EST (link)

You get it!

You really really get it!

FIGHT!

 
 

I never had a political level boss that knew my business.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 1:35PM EST (link)

I spent my whole career at or a level below the appointee level in government. I found they came in two types: the ones who knew they didn’t know anything about the technical and operational side of the business and those who thought they did. The ones who thought they did were very, very dangerous. They often wouldn’t even ask for input from professional staff and when they did ask, if you didn’t tell them what they wanted to hear, you were put on the s&*t list and your advice ignored. Of course, as soon as what you told them was going to happen actually happened, you’d better have a good answer for how it was your fault. Frankly, it gets real easy to just sit back and watch people like that walk off cliffs and even sometimes to encourage them in the direction of a cliff. You become a master of the “Briefing Memo” that has multiple action options that you refuse to rank because it is “a political question” and which has an extensive lists of pros and cons and potential outcomes so you can say that you’d put that possible outcome in the Briefing Memo. Makes for a nasty working relationship. I’ll guarantee you that I or any other skilled pro in a high-profile field could badly damage or even mortally wound ANY naive appointee in a few months.

That’t the danger with CIA and having somebody not familiar with the technical and opeational work in charge. It is less a problem for a Democrat than a Republican but still a problem. The Agency is still ridden with Democrats and, I believe, still has serious mole problems. There won’t be the opposition to the Administration that GWB had, but if the pros don’t get their way on things, it is really easy for them to make whomever didn’t listen to them pay. They you get the ugly game of political management not trusting the staff, the staff playing games with political management, and a dysfunctional Agency becomes even more so.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

I wonder why a politician & hack

johnt Tuesday, January 13th at 1:41PM EST (link)

would be placed in the CIA. I then wonder at the possible workings of the politics and hackery thereby. This one smells and not just because of Panetta’s non-experience. And enough please on the “solid guy” approach, able, capable, and the rest of it. I heard it all with the first round of the Bammers picks, comforting, sensible, etc.
With this “sensible, experienced” bunch we are now looking at trillion $ deficits. Enough already.

Good old Leon could be Chief of Staff to the repulsive Clinton and now this pol/hack will be heading the CIA ? And the libs were worried about domestic NSA spying., This appointment bears close, very close, watching and certainly no optimism.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

For what it's worth, Ledeen likes Panetta

icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 1:46PM EST (link)

as CIA chief. Not that we should automatically agree with Michael Ledeen simply because he’s very intelligent about defense and foreign policy, but his opinion is worth taking into account.

From The Corner a few days back:

In the very early days of the Bush administration, Karl Rove asked a Washington policy wonk what personnel changes he’d recommend to newly arrived George W. The wonk said “there is one matter of life and death: he must replace Tenet at CIA and put in one of his own people, someone he absolutely trusts.” Rove said “well, good luck with that one.” Obama knows better, and he’s putting Leon Panetta in Langley.

I always liked Panetta. He served in the Army and is openly proud of it. He seems to be a good lawyer (oxymoronic though it may seem). He’s a good manager. And he’s going to watch Obama’s back at a place that’s full of stilettos and a track record for attempted presidential assassination second to none. But Italians know all about political assassination; you may remember Julius Caesar. Or Aldo Moro. The self-proclaimed cognoscenti will deride his lack of “spycraft,” and he’s never worked in the intel bureaucracy or, for that matter, in foreign policy or national security. But he’s been chief of staff, which involved all that stuff.

I think it’s a smart move.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjZhOTc2MDM1OWJjNmQ0NmJkYTMwMjhlYWM0NjI2MDY=

If I got handed that vipers' nest

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 1:56PM EST (link)

on the first day I’d call in all the management down to the highest level of career employees and have a “come to Jesus” talk with them. My basic premise would be that if I or the Administration has any problem with or because of the Agency, I have a problem with whatever line of supervision it occurs in and I will make their misery my mission. Then, as quickly as I could find an excuse, I’d fire some people very noisily. That ought to give pretty good morale for a while in the sense that they’d keep quiet as they plotted against you. Then you’d just have to hope that your subordinate managers were more afraid of you than of the staff and would rat off the plotters, leakers, or whatever. Then, unlike stupid Republicans, you very publicly fire and if possible prosecute them. You won’t have to do it again.

In Vino Veritas

You're my pick for Chief of Staff in the next Republican Presidential administration (n/t)

Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:06PM EST (link)

.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

Thanks, Finrod,

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:27PM EST (link)

If I ever decided to go back to full time work for a government, being COS to a Republican taking over from a Democrat would be the gig I’d want. It would be a lot of fun to make smoke and noise, break things, and fire people. Then you redraw the org chart with a machine gun and make it into an organization that a Republican can actually staff.

Democrat designed government organizations, and most of them are, have a bazillion appointee level supervisors and managers A Republican couldn’t find enough loyal, competent Republcans to staff one if his/her life depended on it. So, they leave holdover Democrats in and wonder why they get leaked, thwarted, and sabotaged to death.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Amen.

icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:08PM EST (link)

And I think that Ledeen’s point is partly that an outsider is better able to do that sort of thing than an insider, who would have to break many personal and professional relationships to do it.

I think THE hardest transition is

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:17PM EST (link)

from being a member of a work unit to being the supervisor of that work unit. It is a real problem with government because the career path is so commonly something like: Widgetmaker I-III, Widgetmaking Supervisor, Regional Director of Widgetmaking, Director of Widgetmaking, and sometimes even to Secretary of Widgetmaking, though that isn’t common since Secretaries are usually chosen either because they’re famous or because they raised a lot of money.

In Vino Veritas

interesting point

icbm (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 3:04PM EST (link)

logically, that sounds right, and, given your experience working with the government, i trust you