On Sunday, the Senate will vote on the lands bill. There is no unanimous consent relating to the bill because Senator Tom Coburn objected. But without Mitch McConnell standing up for Coburn, Harry Reid will be able to blame Coburn for the Sunday vote, which is the whole strategy, to isolate him and make him the enemy of the Senate Club.
In fact, Mitch McConnell will not be in the Senate on Sunday. He’s bailing, leaving the conservatives to fend for themselves. Without McConnell declaring the lands bill a party vote, ther is no way to protect Senator Coburn’s rights as a Senator to objective and offer amendments.
The bill is over 1000 pages long and comprises 130 plus bills, and Reid said Coburn can offer exactly zero amendments. Republicans are going to say “yeah, that sounds fair, because Coburn is an –hole and therefore has no rights.” If it were a Republican member like Ted Stevens whose rights were being denied, McConnell would fly back to town on Sunday to deliver a Braveheart-esque speech about the importance of protecting Ted’s rights.
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and the Democrats actually thought they needed a 60 vote...
Wubbies World (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 8:02AM EST (link)… super majority to prevent the Republicans from getting in the way of their fabulous legislation!. With the spineless wonders we have in the Senate, they won’t have to worry about a thing. Republicans can be rolled on command by the Democrats.
There is only a handful of people in the Republican party serving in the senate who actually have the stomach to fight for what they believe in. The rest….. well if it can get them good press they will make a show of it. Its not like they actually believe in the platitudes they mouth to the voters.
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I Kowalski thie and say that...
Wubbies World (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 8:04AM EST (link)… the Democrats have no worries about the national debt explosion stimulus bill passing. Ol’ Mitch will make a nice show about wasteful spending, and then roll over for that too.
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yeah...and when the crap hits the fan because of the over spending
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 12:24PM EST (link)Mitch will let the Dems pin it all on Republicans without a word of protest!
Well that didn't take long, I guess we’re back to business as usual
General_Confusion (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 8:37AM EST (link)Lessons learned for 06 and 08…NONE. But at least they assured us that Reagan is dead…at least for them.
So let's do something about it
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 8:47AM EST (link)Are you a member of the Strike Force?
Have you considered getting involved in your local party? Running for office?
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Yes, I have 'considered' it....
USNJIMRET (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 9:47AM EST (link)However, I honestly have no faith left in me that there is any viable chance to change the Republican Party.
Even when the Republicans have had their literal butts handed to them two cycles in a row, the ‘leadership’ continues with the exact actions that resulted in the butt mauling.
That old adage about insanity being doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result, is so apropos.
Plus, I don’t believe that the Country can survive the years it would take for grass roots efforts to bubble to the top.
Any grass roots efforts to force the leaders of the Party to change course would be temporary and only enough to calm the base.
Then it would be back to DC business as usual.
As currently constituted, the two party monopoly in this country is an abject failure.
And I don’t see anything in that changing without something a damn sight more involved then organizing yet another special interest voice.
That said, good luck-honestly, with the effort.
After all, I never thought Mr Obama would be elected, so what do I know?
You know what they say happens when good men do nothing (nt)
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You CAN change the party.
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 10:57AM EST (link)But it’s going to have to happen at the local level and be forced to change from the ground up.
We as RedState regulars are going to need to get more involved locally and change our own precincts. Then change the adjoining precincts. Then the counties. Then the states.
It’s going to take time, but it can be done as it has been done before.
And it all starts in your own neighborhood.
Grassroots efforts work, but they require good men and women who will work for the party and conservative ideas at the local level.
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So let's just sit back and do nothing??? Brilliant!
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 12:27PM EST (link)The only sure thing in politics is war as that nothing good will ever happen if you just sit back and let the enemy continue to kick your head in without a fight!
You're entitled to your opinion...
USNJIMRET (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 1:18PM EST (link)however mistaken you are about mine.
If, to you, NOT joining up with some group or other is sitting there and taking it, then OK, I guess.
If what you got from what I wrote was some kind of capitulation to the enemy, then I failed to write to the level of the reader.
My apologies.
My point is...instead of sitting back and whining...
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 4:02PM EST (link)and saying we can’t do anything from the ground up because it would take to long…then I’d like to know what you would do…I’m all ears!
If you’re interested in changing it…get involved at the next precinct convention and work for someone who will change things!
You're entitled to your opinion...
USNJIMRET (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 1:18PM EST (link)however mistaken you are about mine.
If, to you, NOT joining up with some group or other is sitting there and taking it, then OK, I guess.
If what you got from what I wrote was some kind of capitulation to the enemy, then I failed to write to the level of the reader.
My apologies.
For the immediate need, I suggest
olsmithie (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 10:10AM EST (link)getting the word out to as many levelheaded people as possible, urging them to burn up the telephone lines and the Senator’s contact pages, a la immigration bill.
Erick’s piece above is a great lead-in piece. Send a paste or a link to your circle of influence. Who knows we might make a dent.
Got to start somewhere. Burr is already tired of hearing from me.Too bad, he should be used to it by now…..
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rcov092 (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 2:38PM EST (link)will do anything I can. We cannot leave this to the jelly spines any longer.
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McConnell always has been bad.
Princeliberty Friday, January 9th at 9:50AM EST (link)I am glad to see you all are waking up about McConnell. I shoke my head on earlier days when there were posts praising the glorious leader McConnell.
McConnell has always been a huge spender. He believes in an alliance between big government and big business. He rewards those who give him money with taxpayers dollars. He lead the way on the bailout for the banks, the drug pill for the drug companiess, the energy bill etc.. And he’s pro open borders since the money givers want it that way.
He embodies everything that is wrong with the Republican party.
The party made a huge mistake in not dumping its leadership down to the last man.
McConnell is Mr. “Show me the money!”
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Hold on a second
dpcleary Friday, January 9th at 10:22AM EST (link)Before McConnell is treated like a pariah, you need to remember that this is a cloture vote, so Dingy Harry needs to get enough votes to proceed.
A Republican not showing up to vote is the same as a Republican showing up to vote no.
Reid needs a 3/5 vote of the full Senate (usually 60, but with the Burris imbroglio and Coleman’s seat undecided it is 59 votes right now).
So that means Reid needs all of his side to vote for this, and, since Biden is still a Senator but on an overseas trip, they actually need to pick up Republican votes.
Plus who knows if all the Dems will show up in Washington on a Sunday for this farce.
So it shouldn’t come as a surprise if a lot of Republicans don’t show up to vote on Sunday, they all have better things to do than play footsie with Reid.
The ones to condemn are those that show up and vote yes on Sunday.
Who's forcing cloture?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 10:48AM EST (link)Cloture votes don’t happen unless somebody forces one, do they?
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I assume Coburn
dpcleary Friday, January 9th at 10:56AM EST (link)Coburn probably objected to moving the bill by Unanimous Consent since with 57 current Dems, the final bill would likely pass.
So Reid filed a cloture motion to overcome Coburn’s objection.
I don’t know the inside maneuvering, but unless Coburn’s upset with McConnell, I don’t think there is anything here to be upset about.
Like I said, in this instance, a Republican not showing up is the same as showing up and voting no.
Maybe you didn't read the original post?
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 12:38PM EST (link)I’m not sure on this…if they need an absolute quorum but if McConnell doesn’t show up…doesn’t that give the rest of the Republicrat caucus a green light to cave on the cloture vote? At the very least is signifies that McConnell is oOKwith it…
As for needing Republican votes to get cluture…do you really believe Ried will have any problem getting that with Snowe, Collins, Graham, McCain, Voinovich, etc in the crowd?
Spare me please!
My reading comprehension is fine
dpcleary Friday, January 9th at 4:39PM EST (link)It all depends, I guess, on what McConnell is telling his caucus, but it is equally possible that his departure is sending the signal that he doesn’t think the game Reid is playing is worth his, or anyone’s, time.
No Republican has to bother showing up to vote, They can all stay away and not dignify Reid’s stunt and Reid still loses.
All I’m saying is that it would behoove concerned people to call other Republican offices as well and encourage them to vote no before we condemn McConnell when we don’t know that he’s done anything wrong.
by not makin g the stand he is conceding the argument..
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 10:14PM EST (link)As Erick said…
and
This isn’t happening in a vacuum and McConnell’s actions are sending a deliberate message!
Contact McConnell at:
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 12:19PM EST (link)Washington Office
361-A Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-2541
Fax: (202) 224-2499
Use the fax number and jam up the machine and call his office to complain!
Oh...and for those of you who are credntialed as press
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 12:21PM EST (link)Call 202-224-2541 for press inquiries.
We need to let these crap weasels know we’re watching!
Everything that Coburn objected to...
naraht Friday, January 9th at 12:44PM EST (link)I know that at one point this past summer, Reid tried to find room in the Senate schedule to do exactly the same thing and other things took higher priority.
The bill planned last summer (and probably this one as well) consisted of every bill that Coburn put a hold on by himself. Individual senators can put holds on bills that make if fairly difficult to push them through the Senates workings (remember you can do just about anything in the house with 218 votes, but in the Senate, one Senator who knows what he is doing can keep bills from going anywhere).
I know that some of the bills that Coburn put a hold on had a majority of support among the Senate Republicans as well as a majority of the Senate Democrats and which had passed the House. As I understand, Coburn also used his hold considerably more than the average and in some cases refused to remove a hold even when requested to by the Republican Senate leadership.
So with the start of the 111th congress clearing the deck of everyting in terms of holds, Reid is making a catch all bill of everyting that Coburn got in the way of and forcing it through. My belief is that this is comprised only of bills where Reid and McConnell both think that that there are 70-75 votes for.
So, in that regard, yes McConnell *is* hanging Coburn out to dry, and I would expect that the Democrats can get 60 with the assistance of those Republicans in the Senate who have been there a while. I wouldn’t be all *that* surprised to see someone like Hatch vote with the Democrats on this.
This is so disappointing to me.
itrytobenice (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 1:57PM EST (link)I know it was a futile hope, but I hoped that the surviving Rs in the Senate would have some level of ‘hang together’ to them to prevent the total steamroller that is coming.
Apparently we have more R Senators who are of French heritage than I had previously suspected.
And I want everyone to know, my ideal Senator is Tom Coburn. I support him unconditionally. Even when the majority of Rs are against him. The man is truly a conservative, not just an R.
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