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	<title>Comments on: [UPDATED] Call Charlie Crist at 850-488-7146 and tell him not to pick LaBarga</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Walden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Walden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and I don&#039;t know how far back your IP logs go, but you certainly won&#039;t find anything in them on me to contradict what my profile says about me.  (This comment won&#039;t really confirm, either, given that I&#039;m back with family over Christmas vacation, but I can&#039;t do much about that now.)

Given that this is all water under the bridge now it might not be a good use of time to investigate more fully, but I&#039;m still sort of curious.  If I do end up doing the legwork I&#039;ll try to report back at some point with what I find.

Admittedly, tho, intoxication as a defense to murder does seem more than a bit dodgy on the surface, but driveby glosses never actually capture nuance, and maybe, just maybe, nuance is what mattered here.  Still unlikely, but the law&#039;s a complicated beast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and I don&#8217;t know how far back your IP logs go, but you certainly won&#8217;t find anything in them on me to contradict what my profile says about me.  (This comment won&#8217;t really confirm, either, given that I&#8217;m back with family over Christmas vacation, but I can&#8217;t do much about that now.)</p>
<p>Given that this is all water under the bridge now it might not be a good use of time to investigate more fully, but I&#8217;m still sort of curious.  If I do end up doing the legwork I&#8217;ll try to report back at some point with what I find.</p>
<p>Admittedly, tho, intoxication as a defense to murder does seem more than a bit dodgy on the surface, but driveby glosses never actually capture nuance, and maybe, just maybe, nuance is what mattered here.  Still unlikely, but the law&#8217;s a complicated beast.</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who was driving downtown, lost control of his car and went up on the sidewalk.  He killed a young woman who was something like 7 months pregnant.  His lawyer also tried to use the &quot;drunk and didn&#039;t know what he was doing&quot; defense.  As best I recall, he was convicted.  If ever there were a more pathetic defense than that one, I don&#039;t know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who was driving downtown, lost control of his car and went up on the sidewalk.  He killed a young woman who was something like 7 months pregnant.  His lawyer also tried to use the &#8220;drunk and didn&#8217;t know what he was doing&#8221; defense.  As best I recall, he was convicted.  If ever there were a more pathetic defense than that one, I don&#8217;t know it.</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are organizing to prevent yet another squish from becoming our nominee in the future.  I think that having JMac foisted upon us was the last straw for many of us going forward.  It certainly was for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are organizing to prevent yet another squish from becoming our nominee in the future.  I think that having JMac foisted upon us was the last straw for many of us going forward.  It certainly was for me.</p>
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		<title>By: From ME to You</title>
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		<dc:creator>From ME to You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But this statement alone disqualifies him in my eyes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;He claims he is proud of this case because it was the first time a jury had accepted &lt;u&gt;&lt;i&gt;voluntary intoxication&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/u&gt; as a total defense to murder.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Free license to kill!!  I&#039;m  innocent your honor...I was too drunk to realize that shooting him  and then stabbing him to death was wrong!!!   Yeah....right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But this statement alone disqualifies him in my eyes:</p>
<blockquote><p><big><b>&#8220;He claims he is proud of this case because it was the first time a jury had accepted <u><i>voluntary intoxication</i></u> as a total defense to murder.&#8221;</b></big><big></big></p></blockquote>
<p>Free license to kill!!  I&#8217;m  innocent your honor&#8230;I was too drunk to realize that shooting him  and then stabbing him to death was wrong!!!   Yeah&#8230;.right!</p>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep calling his office to complain. Bush &quot;appointed&quot; Harriet before she withdrew her nomination. Sufficient pressure on Crist could do the same in Florida. And start calling the people who have to approve the appointment. Let them know that you object to someone who places their personal values over public safety and the proper roll of the legislature in establishing the laws that ensure that public safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep calling his office to complain. Bush &#8220;appointed&#8221; Harriet before she withdrew her nomination. Sufficient pressure on Crist could do the same in Florida. And start calling the people who have to approve the appointment. Let them know that you object to someone who places their personal values over public safety and the proper roll of the legislature in establishing the laws that ensure that public safety.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has it been written, except by the Obamunist and his groupies, that judges should resort to &quot;one&#039;s broader perspectives on how the world works&quot;? Personally, I prefer American law, not Somali law, or French law, or German.  And where does empathy enter in to not allowing an eyewitness to a shooting to testify at a retrial?  
If you are, in fact, a law professor, I can see where our justice system has gone wrong.  If this is an example of what is taught in law school, God help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has it been written, except by the Obamunist and his groupies, that judges should resort to &#8220;one&#8217;s broader perspectives on how the world works&#8221;? Personally, I prefer American law, not Somali law, or French law, or German.  And where does empathy enter in to not allowing an eyewitness to a shooting to testify at a retrial?<br />
If you are, in fact, a law professor, I can see where our justice system has gone wrong.  If this is an example of what is taught in law school, God help us.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would have thought conservatives...&quot; have no idea what conservatives are really all about.

I have also found most people claiming to be lawyers who want to focus on &quot;relevant legals texts and precedents&quot; don&#039;t really give a [insert your favorite explitve I&#039;m not permitted to post here] about them either except as they can be used to undermine what most citizens regard as the proper application of the law.

The scariest thing I ever saw was on the Phil Donahue show back around the time of Ronald Reagan, although it may have been near the end of the Carter years. Some of you may remember all the news stories about a diplomat&#039;s kid in Thailand. The kid was convicted of mass vandalizing of cars and sentenced to be caned in public, as specified by appropriate law in Thailand. Most of the newspapers over here were outraged. And on the Phil Donahue show, this man, who was so in fear of the rising crime at the time stood up and said &#039;If what they are doing in Thailand is what it takes to make our streets safe, then we ought to start doing it.&quot;

The incidents outlined by Erick above sketch the portrait of a lawyer who is more interested in getting people out of jail than in upholding the law, and only engage in a sort of legal jujitsu to make the outcome of the case be the exact opposite of the clear text of the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would have thought conservatives&#8230;&#8221; have no idea what conservatives are really all about.</p>
<p>I have also found most people claiming to be lawyers who want to focus on &#8220;relevant legals texts and precedents&#8221; don&#8217;t really give a [insert your favorite explitve I'm not permitted to post here] about them either except as they can be used to undermine what most citizens regard as the proper application of the law.</p>
<p>The scariest thing I ever saw was on the Phil Donahue show back around the time of Ronald Reagan, although it may have been near the end of the Carter years. Some of you may remember all the news stories about a diplomat&#8217;s kid in Thailand. The kid was convicted of mass vandalizing of cars and sentenced to be caned in public, as specified by appropriate law in Thailand. Most of the newspapers over here were outraged. And on the Phil Donahue show, this man, who was so in fear of the rising crime at the time stood up and said &#8216;If what they are doing in Thailand is what it takes to make our streets safe, then we ought to start doing it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The incidents outlined by Erick above sketch the portrait of a lawyer who is more interested in getting people out of jail than in upholding the law, and only engage in a sort of legal jujitsu to make the outcome of the case be the exact opposite of the clear text of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting which one of those you put first.  And I don&#039;t agree with Obama about what time it is, much less how judges should behave.  Erick Erickson is smart enough to know whereof he speaks and whom he&#039;s speaking about when he puts a post on the front page.  I trust that he knows whether or not the judge acted constitutionally.

You are the one calling it into question.  How about you do the research and tell the rest of us if the judge was on target or just demonstrating his &quot;evolving&quot; on what&#039;s constitutional and what&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting which one of those you put first.  And I don&#8217;t agree with Obama about what time it is, much less how judges should behave.  Erick Erickson is smart enough to know whereof he speaks and whom he&#8217;s speaking about when he puts a post on the front page.  I trust that he knows whether or not the judge acted constitutionally.</p>
<p>You are the one calling it into question.  How about you do the research and tell the rest of us if the judge was on target or just demonstrating his &#8220;evolving&#8221; on what&#8217;s constitutional and what&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...from a major American university.  We appreciate it when people disclose that sort of thing up front when they&#039;re commenting on issues where there may be a potential conflict of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;from a major American university.  We appreciate it when people disclose that sort of thing up front when they&#8217;re commenting on issues where there may be a potential conflict of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: mikefisk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikefisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Adding Labarga to the mix would pretty much disqualify Crist from ever being the GOP nominee for President, let alone anything else.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I dunno... how many deal-breakers did McCain have going for him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Adding Labarga to the mix would pretty much disqualify Crist from ever being the GOP nominee for President, let alone anything else.</p></blockquote>
<p>I dunno&#8230; how many deal-breakers did McCain have going for him?</p>
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		<title>By: PD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like you agree with Barack Obama that good judging requires resort to &quot;one&#039;s deepest values, one&#039;s core concerns, one&#039;s broader perspectives on how the world works, and the depth and breadth of one&#039;s empathy.&quot;  That&#039;s fine with me, I guess, as long as you&#039;re consistent about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you agree with Barack Obama that good judging requires resort to &#8220;one&#8217;s deepest values, one&#8217;s core concerns, one&#8217;s broader perspectives on how the world works, and the depth and breadth of one&#8217;s empathy.&#8221;  That&#8217;s fine with me, I guess, as long as you&#8217;re consistent about it.</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>back out on the streets when he was quite clearly guilty is just flat evil and wrong.  You got kids, PD?  If so, you want this kind of sick monster free to prey on them?

And being proud of defending someone who killed on the grounds that he couldn&#039;t help himself due to voluntary intoxication?  There&#039;s nothing conservative about that kind of mindset.  Conservatism says that we are all responsible for our actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back out on the streets when he was quite clearly guilty is just flat evil and wrong.  You got kids, PD?  If so, you want this kind of sick monster free to prey on them?</p>
<p>And being proud of defending someone who killed on the grounds that he couldn&#8217;t help himself due to voluntary intoxication?  There&#8217;s nothing conservative about that kind of mindset.  Conservatism says that we are all responsible for our actions.</p>
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		<title>By: PD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have thought that conservatives would care, above all, whether a judge correctly interprets the laws and the constitution.  As Jeff Emanuel put it on this blog in criticizing the President-Elect&#039;s statements on judicial appointments, the job of judges &quot;is not to provide justice to Americans — it is, quite simply, to interpret and apply the Constitution, as written.&quot;

Yet not one word in Erick Erickson&#039;s attack on Governor Crist discusses whether Judge LaBarga&#039;s controversial decisions got the law right or wrong, based on the relevant legal texts and precedents.  Or does Erick just assume that any decision favoring a criminal defendant is, by definition, wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought that conservatives would care, above all, whether a judge correctly interprets the laws and the constitution.  As Jeff Emanuel put it on this blog in criticizing the President-Elect&#8217;s statements on judicial appointments, the job of judges &#8220;is not to provide justice to Americans — it is, quite simply, to interpret and apply the Constitution, as written.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet not one word in Erick Erickson&#8217;s attack on Governor Crist discusses whether Judge LaBarga&#8217;s controversial decisions got the law right or wrong, based on the relevant legal texts and precedents.  Or does Erick just assume that any decision favoring a criminal defendant is, by definition, wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: George Claghorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Claghorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in 2012.</p>
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