Pull Out Your Credit Card for Saxby or Say Hello to 60 Democrats in the Senate


We need to raise money for Saxby Chambliss’s runoff.

**I just gave him $500.00.

What will you give?**

With Stevens now behind in Alaska and Franken doing his best to steal Minnesota, we must save Saxby’s seat.

It is very winnable. But he needs your support.

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$700 Billion Crap Sandwich

BigGator5 (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:00PM EST (link)

I don’t know…

Saxby Chambliss voted for the $700 Billion Crap Sandwich. Why don’t he ask for a bailout himself?

Educated (About The Issues Facing Us Today), Dedicated (To Making A Difference), And Highly Motivated (To Getting Things Done)
@biggator5

Gator...what do you think his opponent will vote for?....

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:10PM EST (link)

You know I agree with you on the bailouts, but we are talking about stopping the Dems from getting to 60 votes. If we can’t filibuster than the bailouts will be the least of our problems. We have to work with what we got…the time to purge and cleanse is 2010 not now.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 

Hey Erick

newrepublican Tuesday, November 18th at 12:12PM EST (link)

Hey Erick. The UGA College Republicans and Law Republicans have and will come out to the phonebank to support Saxby.

Best,

Steven
The New Republican – young Americans “reinventing” the Republican party
http://thenewrepublicans.net

Gator

Erick Erickson (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:13PM EST (link)

Saxby opposes the GM bailout.

His opponent supports it.

If you aren’t going to give him a pass and beat his opponent, you’ll be eating the next crap sandwich, along with the rest of us, when we get a GM bailout, card check, etc.

Sometimes you have to suck it up and go with the better option when the best is not available.

Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?

 
 

I'd love to contribute but...

Mark Malcolm (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:17PM EST (link)

Unfortunately I can’t afford to right now due to saving to pay my portion of the $700 billion Saxby voted for. When the seat is up again I’ll not only donate but volunteer for the conservative candidate.

I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.

Now is no time for that. That is what primaries

c17wife (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:32PM EST (link)

are for. Get over yourself and help us defend the last best hope we have against a filibuster-proof senate.
Or you are going to be paying for more than a bailout.

Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence

 
 

Done.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:34PM EST (link)

Not as much as I’d like, but it’s important.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

5.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:35PM EST (link)

And people wonder why we continue to lose ground to the Democrats.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

I see a nose on the floor ....

Freedoms Truth (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:36PM EST (link)

Did someone cut their nose off to spite their face again?

I hate when that happens … blood on the floor, big mess.

6 years of Obama and the liberal Democrats … whoo boy, there wont be much left of America to donate to save.

 
 
 

Saxby Is Worth Supporting

DavidSage (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:43PM EST (link)

Not only is he a (usually) good conservative Senator, if he is the difference between the Democrats getting to 60 in the Senate, it will put the brakes on all sorts of liberal legislation.

That being said, I don’t want to rehash the actual merits of the financial bailout, but from a purely “realpolitik” perspective, it was absolutely idiotic for him to vote for that bailout.

If Coleman and Saxby lose their seats, it will be a direct result of their vote for the $700 billion dollar bailout. Had they voted against the bailout, they both would have comfortably won their seats, and we wouldn’t have to throw a few more million for all this nonsense.

I’m just amazed that none of their highly-paid political consultants had the intelligence to know you don’t support unpopular legislation like that if you’re going to have a tough reelection.

It would seem to me to be a no-brainer on how he should have voted. The bailout went against most conservative principles, and about 75% of Americans opposed it. It was also a bad year to be a Republican, and he had a tough race back home. I guess they don’t call us the Stupid Party for nothing.

You absolutely must vote for the pro-choice candidate.

birdmojo (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:55PM EST (link)

Why are you being so stubborn?

This is no time for principle.

Just realize that you can’t get everything you want and vote for the guy you see as abhorrent.

Because the other guy is even worse.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire

 
 

Gave $50 a few days back

D.T. Dickinson (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:57PM EST (link)

Wish I could give more.

- D.T. Dickinson

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis

 

I gave to him on the money bomb day....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:03PM EST (link)

my money is going towards the military until the political season gets underway next year :-)

Bird don't get confused...

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:06PM EST (link)

I have said many times that you have to take the lesser of 2 evils at times in individual elections. I even voted for John McCain.

I want our leadership to be Conservative because I believe conservatism has the broadest appeal and governs best.

Right now what we are up against is a filibuster proof majority, and Chambliss could be the firewall against that.

Don’t try to twist this.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

If you're an incumbent, it's never time to purge and cleanse

RobW (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:08PM EST (link)

There’s something to be said for letting the GOP know that there are political consequences for supporting rushed, poorly conceived legislation that spends $700B of other people’s money, particularly when you’re supposed to be the party of small government and free markets.

I can handle someone disagreeing with me, but when a candidate tells me they’re a fiscal conservative and then runs up a huge deficit with a grand giveaway at the end, that just makes me mad. I’m not going to take it any more; you shouldn’t either.

Someone tell Saxby Chambliss and other “small government” legislators that there’s going to be hell to pay for turning their back on the principles they got elected on. I’ve written letters to Chambliss (all my congressmen, actually), posted on blogs, and spread the word locally trying to tell him this was a bad idea. None of it worked. Now that I’ve actually got a choice between a pro-bailout and anti-bailout candidate, I can’t think of any better way to get my message across than to vote for Martin.

The Auto Bailout Will Happen

BigGator5 (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:12PM EST (link)

Well, Saxby should have thought of that before voting for the Crap Sandwich.

The Auto Bailout will happen, whether Saxby is in office or not. Democrats could easily get rid of the filibuster and there is nothing we can do about it.

So no. I wish him luck, but I cannot give him any money.

Educated (About The Issues Facing Us Today), Dedicated (To Making A Difference), And Highly Motivated (To Getting Things Done)
@biggator5

Rob...good for you....

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:12PM EST (link)

In order to be principled you will vote for the person who least matches your principles.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

The auto bailout takes money from the bank bailout and gives it to car makers instead

RobW (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:16PM EST (link)

I hate bailouts as much as the next guy, but the “Big 3 Bailout” money only takes from the original bailout pot. It’s not spending any new money, it’s just taking away funds that might have gone to banks.

Let me repeat that: no new money is being used for the auto bailout.

Both industries have dug themselves into a hole with stupidity, then gotten drilled with some things that were beyond their control. Pretty much everyone in America deserves a bailout more than the banks do, so I don’t see what the big deal is with taking a small chunk of the free money banks are getting and spreading it around.

It’s much more “fiscally conservative” to shuffle around money that’s already been set aside than to add $700B to the national debt.

For what it's worth, I understand completely.

birdmojo (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:17PM EST (link)

I am not trying to say that your position is wrong on this one.

I am, however, saying that when it comes to people voting their principles, reasonable people can disagree on whether abandoning them in the case of just this one election is a good idea.

That was the intent of my switching out “abortion” for “fiscal conservativism” in the example. The general assumption is that fiscal conservativism is somehow different from National Security (“Will your money be worth anything when you’re dead? How much freedom does a dead guy have?”) or Social Conservativism (“exactly how much should I compromise on the abortion holocaust? Should I be pleased with half a holocaust? Two fifths, maybe?”) but Fiscal Conservatives have it explained to them, very slowly, that these circumstances are extraordinary and we understand and respect their principles but we really need them to vote for the guy who they don’t agree with just this one time.

It seems to me that this argument didn’t work that well in 2006.

It doesn’t strike me as having worked well in 2008.

Maybe it’ll work well post 2008… but I won’t be surprised if it doesn’t.

Neither should you be.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire

Can we tack that to the front page somewhere?

Canthros (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:19PM EST (link)

At least when the elections roll around.

This too shall pass.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Gave $50

Canthros (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:20PM EST (link)

I think that’s twice what I gave to my own Senator this year.

This too shall pass.

You Are Funny!!

BigGator5 (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:22PM EST (link)

I find this funny. Were you not the one who said, and I quote:

Moderates and squishes need not apply.”

BOOOO!!

Educated (About The Issues Facing Us Today), Dedicated (To Making A Difference), And Highly Motivated (To Getting Things Done)
@biggator5

Bird...voting for, or support of Chambliss does not violate principle...

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:24PM EST (link)

it may violate ones position on an issues but on principle I would direct you to Kirks 4th principle of conservatism:

Any public measure ought to be judged by its probable long-run consequences, not merely by temporary advantage or popularity. Liberals and radicals, the conservative says, are imprudent: for they dash at their objectives without giving much heed to the risk of new abuses worse than the evils they hope to sweep away.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

Fine.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:28PM EST (link)

How about you take your complaints to another diary then. In this one, we’re trying to help elect someone to prevent a filibuster-proof Senate. If that’s not your goal, no problem, but you don’t have to come here and crap all over this diary.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

Sure.

birdmojo (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:29PM EST (link)

It strikes me, however, that this particular counter-argument shows up in discussions about Fiscal Conservativism far, far more often than in discussions about, say, abortion.

Why do you think that is?

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire

You missed my point.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:30PM EST (link)

I’m all for sending Saxby back to the Senate. We’re going to have moderates and squishes in the both Houses forever.

I just don’t want him in leadership, nor do I want him to run for President.

Moderates & squishes can be in the Party, but they shouldn’t be making official policy.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

Bird that is simple...

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:39PM EST (link)

Issues of morality are closer to the heart than issues of the pocket book. They always have been and always will be.

Most people would be willing to part with a dollar in order to save a life and at the same time most people aren’t willing to accept a death to save a dollar.

The key is to find the balance by going back to the principles and taking all things into account in their proper order. This is the moderation of Benjamin Franklin not the moderation that is known today.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

The dynamic, or so it seems to me...

birdmojo (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:44PM EST (link)

Is one of “look, the stuff I care about is seriously important on a cosmic scale and the stuff you care about is just you being selfish. So please vote for the guy who supports what I see as important and isn’t that good on the stuff you care about.”

If you don’t see how what you are saying could be interpreted that way, I guess we can write it off as me being yet another nutball libertarian.

Won’t be the first time.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire

see your point

panthera (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:46PM EST (link)

but I think the big 3 will be better served in filing for bankruptcy.

Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.

Bird...does that mean you disagree?...

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:57PM EST (link)

You asked me a question and I answered it honestly.

Financial concerns have less emotional baggage than abortion, sorry that is just the way it is.

I understand where you are coming from and I agree for the most part but what I am asking at this point is to what end? What is the point of not supporting him? You aren’t going to get something better, in fact you will indeed get something worse.

Additionally, as far as how what I say is interpreted, I try to diligently answer all questions posed to me in order to clear up any doubt of what I am saying. Most of the time, I would say, people are reading what they want from my words rather than just taking them at face value. I can’t argue against what you feel my words say, I can only try to explain over and over that they mean precisely what I said. And there is no inconsistency in them.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

It's not inconsistency that I'm arguing against.

birdmojo (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 2:20PM EST (link)

I’m merely trying to explain why the whole “shut up and get in line” may not have worked quite as well in 2006 and 2008 as it did in 2002 and 2004.

I posit that if you want Fiscal Conservatives who have honest conflicts when it comes to issues of Social Conservativism and issues of National Security on board, you will need to treat their issues with the respect you give to issues of Social Conservativism and National Security.

When questions are raised about abortion and the limits of the state, it’s pointed out that this is an issue of conscience and exceptionally important on a cosmic scale to the people who hold these deeply held and amazingly serious beliefs as matters of life and death upon which they cannot brook compromise.

When people discuss issues of national security and they explain that they want what is best for themselves, their wives, and their children (THEIR CHILDREN!!!!), it should be understood that disagreement must be done with the greatest respect because, after all, we are talking about issues of life and death for one’s spouse and one’s children (ONE’S CHILDREN!!!!!).

Fiscal Conservativism? That’s just pocketbook stuff, right? Filthy lucre, right?

Watch and see what happens when the argument is framed that way. Don’t take my word for it, though. You can always check out 2006 and 2008.

I’m not saying that you’re inconsistent or venial or anything. I am just saying this:

If you continue to frame the issues that fiscal conservatives have as being secondary to the real cosmic and life/death issues that SoCons and Hawks have, you will be able to check out 2010 as well.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

NightTwister and c17wife are my heros

Erick Erickson (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 2:32PM EST (link)

They clearly get it!

This is not about party purity. It’s about preventing a disaster of epic proportions.

Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?

 

Bailout looneys

Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 2:32PM EST (link)

Here is a little mental exercise. Senator Coburn (R-OK) is up for election. His Democratic opponent wants to raise taxes, vote for tons of pork projects, and nationalize health care, but he would vote against any business bailout especially for banks. Who is the fiscal conservative? Who would you vote for, Coburn or his opponent? Will you cut down the forest to save a single tree?

Agree in part disagree in part

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 2:34PM EST (link)

Disagree that acknowledging life first, liberty second, and property third (a la John Locke) is inherently destructive in a political sense. However, as you mention, this should be done respectfully. If we are going to be on the same team, there needs to be genuine desire to try and get along.

Agree that there is relatively little anyone can do in terms of abortion policy, and that it doesn’t make sense to focus 90% on an issue that an individual office holder will spend 1% of their time on.

I am pro-life and the Republican Party needs to be pro-life to be viable. However, candidates who clearly enunciate the Roe v. Wade is wrong and must be reversed should not be slighted in favor of candidates who will do even more (knowing that eh more will never happen, Roe v. Wade would be reversed way before the societal consensus could be reached on a constitutional amendment) who turn off other legs of the stool.

Presidential candidates need to have all three legs. Other types of candidates need not, depending on where they are.

I always like Chris Shays who was often helpful. In contrast, Lincoln Chafee was a total tool.

If we can’t distinguish between those two guys, we are in trouble.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 
 

Hey I sent him $50 bucks

Michael Dugas (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 2:35PM EST (link)

I nearly puked doing it but I sent it. If it weren’t for the need to keep the Dems under 60 I wouldn’t have sent him a dime and I would argue with others not too. But
Obama in charge with a filibuster proof
Congress at his beck and call scares the feces out of me.

Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”

Remember: A Citizen on the dole is a Liberal Vote at the Polls.
END ENTITLEMENTS!

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum !

Bird....I understand all that...

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 2:36PM EST (link)

But where I take exception is the part where you infer that I am doing those things.

I am giving the principled argument as to why we should support Chambliss just as I gave a principled argument as to why we should support McCain. I am not elevating my personal pet issues or devaluing the personal pet issues of others.

I am arguing that it is better to take odds on Chambliss rather than to totally succumb to a filibuster proof majority. If Chambliss was an strict Fiscon and was Pro-Choice I would still be making the same argument because the results of a filibuster proof majority is worse than any single issue.

So please don’t insinuate that I am telling anyone to “shut up and get in line”. I am doing nothing of the sort as you can see in all of my posts. In fact that is why I started my conversation with you by delineating between my views on the leadership and my views on the individual races.

Are we clear?

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

Wow...no love...n/t

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 2:39PM EST (link)

n/t

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

Aw Aaron, you got luv from me.

c17wife (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 2:44PM EST (link)

You were just nicer, that’s all. :>)

Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence

Thanks C17Wife....

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 2:48PM EST (link)

Although you are probably one of the only people who consider me to be nice….at least the last couple of days.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 
 
 
 

Actually...

chemjeff (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 2:53PM EST (link)

I am not so sure that sending Saxby back to the Senate will ensure victory for Republican filibusters. After all there’s always Specter, Voinovich, the Maine sisters, McCain, etc., etc., who can be counted on to support the Democrats in our hour of need. What scares me the most are the 2010 elections. We will have 6-7 vulnerable R senators. If the Republican Party doesn’t get its act together, there is a distinct possibility that the D’s can get to a 2/3rds majority by 2010. Expect real disaster to ensue then.

Can't be helped.

Canthros (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 3:13PM EST (link)

At 59 seats, the Dems have to get at least one Republican to assist them in anything. Granted, we have us some squishes that like to be bipartisan. But I doubt that they’ll compromise on everything.

If the Dems get 60 seats, then it’s completely out the window, squishes or not.

This too shall pass.

I know you are, dude. I know you are.

birdmojo (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 3:26PM EST (link)

And I know that you aren’t saying “shut up and get in line” and, more to the point, I know that you WOULD not say such a thing.

I’m just hoping that you understand why fiscal conservatives may not be receptive to an argument explaining to them that principled conservativism requires this, that, or the other from them (and certainly now, at this exceptionally important point in our nation’s history).

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire

 
 
 

the ninny crowd......

leeside Tuesday, November 18th at 3:27PM EST (link)

I gave again…..its kind of fun….I feel pretty important this year supporting candidates even though I can count on one hand the number that actually succeeded….lol….

donating shows strength and loyalty and a can do attitude…..don’t sweat the minutia….we need a wall to fight from and the Senate is our wall….

aren't there a few conservative Democrats?

leeside Tuesday, November 18th at 3:29PM EST (link)

the leftist need not think they control the all the rats….that is my hope and that is what will ultimately save us….

I understand Bird....

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 3:31PM EST (link)

Regardless though I feel the argument needs to be made none the less.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

Go for it.

birdmojo (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 3:33PM EST (link)

The problem with the whole “Life, Liberty, Property” thing is that there are folks out there who feel that there have been problems with the last two of those rather than with the last one.

Making appeals based on principle to these folks may come across as “I’m sorry that we lost the election” rather than “these three things are very important”.

But, as I’ve said, don’t take my word for it. Look out there and see what happens.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire

conservative Democrat = SUCKER or LIAR

Freedoms Truth (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 3:45PM EST (link)

The conservatives who vote Democrat are suckers.

The Democrats who claim to be conservative and are in elective office are liars. They are part of an organization dedicated to destroying all those things a conservative believes in.

You too!

Erick Erickson (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 3:57PM EST (link)

heh. Sorry man. ;) c17wife is clearly a woman and NightTwister is ambiguous.

I don’t swing that way. ;)

Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?

Party caucusing

Canthros (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 4:03PM EST (link)

For all the kvetching and whining we do about RINOs, squishes and moderates, even Chris Shays votes with the rest of the GOP reps far more often than not, and leans more right than left. This is at least as true of the GOP as of the Democrats.

On top of that, it’s much easier to twist arms when they belong to your own party members, especially junior congressmen and those representing potentially vulnerable seats (as most conservative Democrats are likely to be).

Many of the problems ascribed to Republican moderates can be laid at least as much at the feet of the party’s Congressional leadership as those of the individual Senators and Representatives. Generally speaking, the Dems are better organized than we are, and will almost certainly get off easier with the news media.

This too shall pass.

Erick...you think that makes it all better...well...

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 4:04PM EST (link)

….your right it does…Thanks…;^)

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Hummm!

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 8:26PM EST (link)

I hope Chambliss wins only to avoid a 60 vote Senate In any other circumstance I would avaid him like the plague. He voted for the bailout, and he was a member of the “Gang of 20″ willing to sell our energe policy into liberal territory. Glad I won’t have to vote for him. We need another McCain like we need another Dole in the head.

I'm Not The Only One

BigGator5 (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 9:12PM EST (link)

You confuss me with someone who cares. I do find it funny. We should all put our principles aside for Saxby, but there should be no middle ground and Moderates are Boggie-Men. At least I’m consistent.

Besides, I’m not the only one objecting and I gave you very good reasons to why I am not donating to him. There is an angry base of the Republican Party that feels betrayed and I count myself among them.

And I love it that the filibuster is now so very important. Remember how the Republican Leadership wanted to do away with the filibuster and it was a bunch of bloody Moderates who stop them? Enlighten me NightTwister, did you curse the Gang of 14 for saving the filibuster so we might now use it?

Educated (About The Issues Facing Us Today), Dedicated (To Making A Difference), And Highly Motivated (To Getting Things Done)
@biggator5

Correction...

BigGator5 (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 9:16PM EST (link)

Replace “confuss” with “confused”.

I honestly thought I corrected that…

Educated (About The Issues Facing Us Today), Dedicated (To Making A Difference), And Highly Motivated (To Getting Things Done)
@biggator5

I've said for a while it won't matter.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 9:30PM EST (link)

If they don’t get 60, they’ll just remove the filibuster rule, likely within the first 6 months.

It’s just that I want them to do it after throwing a temper tantrum that we were going to.

The democrats are all about the ends justify the means, I’d just like the American public to see a little more of it. We don’t have to hand it to them.

BTW, your Utopian world doesn’t exist and never will. Feel free to go pout in the corner a while longer. I’d just prefer you did it somewhere else.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

Yes,

Mark Malcolm (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 9:34PM EST (link)

Now is exactly the time for this. The dems are going to have enough votes with or without Saxby. face it. there are enough moderates already in the senate to give them what they want or who can be bought off i.e. HR1424. I’m drawing a line in the sand and saying, ‘No More!’. Here. Now. The Pelosi/Reid/Obama Axis of liberalism is going to have it’s shot and tear down this country. I’m putting Republicans on notice to stick to conservative principals or else. This run off is going to be the opening salvo. If you forget your conservative roots, I’m not voting for you.

I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.

Yep, I knose

Mark Malcolm (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 9:37PM EST (link)

This is going to hurt, but it has to be done. The cycle of no consequences for actions needs to be over. Our elected officials need to get the message. The moderate candidate failed (McCain). Lets run on Reagan-esque conservative principals. Lets resurrect Golddwater’s The Conscience of a Conservative. Lets stick to our principals and our guns. We’ll win. Look how Obama won, by convincing the public a Socialist would cut taxes. That’s not liberal policy. Tax cuts are conservative planks. He had to steal from conservative ideology to get elected.

I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.

Great line...

Mark Malcolm (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 10:09PM EST (link)

I’m stealing that, Dole in the head.

I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Nothing

Pete_in_GA Tuesday, November 18th at 11:18PM EST (link)

Saxby is just the type of Republican (conservative only when fashionable) that put us in the wilderness…

He voted for the bailout (now that crap sandwich is getting even worse, -now that credit card companies are going to get money).

He was the lead Senator working hard to give us a ban on off shore drilling between 3 and 50 miles so his pet ethanol project could go forward.

It has been a long year, but wasn’t Saxby one of the pro-amnesty Senators???

Now conservatives are reduced to praying that a Senator, who will show us the middle finger when he wants, wins because he might filibuster. Pathetic!

I know the cost if he loses, -and I will vote for him in the run-off, but I am not giving him one thin dime.

That's ok

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 11:22PM EST (link)

Us Republicans will remember who can be counted on to beat Democrats, and who finds excuses.

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 
 

Not So Sure

Hera Tuesday, November 18th at 11:34PM EST (link)

I’m not so sure its a bad thing for the Dems to reach 60 in the Senate. With complete control of the WH and Congress they will have no where to hide and can be blamed for all the bad legislation they will produce over the coming years.They usually only want Republicans for political cover which is why they are afraid to move forward on the unpopular Auto bailout.They don’t want it to be a Democrat bill.Even with Chambliss we know some RINO will likely vote with the Dems in the “spirit of bipartisanship”. But if the Dems reach 60 they won’t need Republicans for anything and will have to stand and govern and face the consequences.

Republicans and the American people are going to learn that elections have consequences.Republicans were given complete control of the government and betrayed conservative principals in the “spirit of bipartisanship”.They got stabbed in the back by the Dems for their trouble. Let them show once again they are worthy of my trust and support. The American people voted for “hope and change” in the form of an unaccomplished corrupt empty suit. Let those who voted for Obama and the Dems reap what they’ve sown. I’m going to concentrate on surviving the coming four years. As far as I’m concerned Saxby Chambliss can fend for himself.

That's fine

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 11:49PM EST (link)

When the party gets together to decide what our values are, the views of those who cheered for Democratic victory will be weighted appropriately.

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

Hey, BigGator5.

Leon H. Wolf (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 11:58PM EST (link)

You seem to have interpreted your ban reprieve as an invitation to act even worse than you were before. In point of fact, it was actually the exact opposite of that.

Please don’t make me keep noticing your comments in a negative way. Believe you me, I’m more than happy to resume ignoring your… uh… insightful contributions to this site. You will be happier if that’s what I do, as well.

Fair warning.

————
We can’t stop here. This is bat country.

Are you a Republican?

Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 12:00AM EST (link)

Seriously, the GOP is on the ropes here. You want perfect purity, go join the Constitution Party or something.

I mean, Tom Coburn voted for the Paulson Plan. If that’s not hard-core enough for you, nothing will be.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill

 
 
 
 

Hey Big Gator

Erick Erickson (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 12:03AM EST (link)

This post is about supporting a Republican against a far worse Democrat.

I don’t care that you don’t like Chambliss.

I don’t care that you disagree.

Back off in this thread. This isn’t a negotiation. You want to vent about Chambliss? Go do your own post.

Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?

Republican! Surely you jest...

dbecraft Wednesday, November 19th at 12:10AM EST (link)

Today, most Conservatives are in limbo! The Republican (so called Conservatives) have left us and gone over to the dark side.

Oh yes, you can say that we have no where else to go..and even if that is partially true, you will notice a major drop if votor turnout.

It’s long time for a Conservative option (hell with party – since it seems not to matter at all). When this happens, I guarantee that conservative voters will respond.

Until then… the hell with them… Politicians are by nature corrupt and they will continue to be so until voters actually vote them out!

Formally known as Deagle… “Golf is a way of life…”

Hey Erick, my donation has a condition

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 12:35AM EST (link)

I’ll donate $50 each if you, Neil and Moe recommend my NR Cruise Part 1 diary. Think of it as a fund raising challenge. :)

Besides, I have to figure a way to beat Neil’s dang recommending algorithm, sheesh. Heck, I got Jim Geraghty to link to it, this should be easy peasy for you. :)

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

 
 
 

Hera

TxCon (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:27AM EST (link)

With the “Fairness” Doctrine enacted the country won’t know the extent of the Democratic damage. Thus we can’t let them reach 60.

Enjoying those new taxes are you?

NightTwister (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:43AM EST (link)

Get used to them. More are coming.
Unrestricted, unlimited, government-funded abortion? Check.
Abandoning our allies? Check.
Strengthening the resolve of our greatest foes? Check.

But at least your conscience is clear.

And no, you don’t get a free pass. By not voting for the best option that was actually electable, you’ve chosen the worst. You might as well have gone ahead & pulled the lever for him yourself.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

 
 

$150 sent to Saxby

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:03AM EST (link)

Even though Erick didn’t meet my funding challenge. :(

I suck as a negotiator. :)

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Liberty and property are related

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 8:22PM EST (link)

If explained well, people understand that they are not at liberty to use the property of others.

Life is primal, but the Supreme Court has short-circuited everything.

Everyone should be able to agree that self-governance is not compatible with tyranny by the courts.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

Hey, I agree that Republicans cannot win when the public perceives democrats as being better on the economy

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 8:46PM EST (link)

I am definitely not arguing with you on that point.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

Hey, I agree that Republicans cannot win when the public perceives democrats as being better on the economy

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 8:47PM EST (link)

I am definitely not arguing with you on that point.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!