According to the Military Times,
McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.
The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.
But as a snapshot of careerists, the results suggest Democrats have gained little ground in their attempts to significantly chip away at a traditionally Republican voting bloc in campaign messages and legislative initiatives, such as the recent expansion of GI Bill benefits, experts said.
We know this is a damnable lie because the media went out of its way to tell us Barack Obama and Ron Paul have gotten more campaign contributions from soldiers than John McCain.
See here, here, and here for example.
Surely the media would not hype Obama’s support among our servicemen based on campaign contribution reports and then discover the reality was the opposite. Surely they would not have lied to us and distorted coverage of the military to suggest American servicemen and women want to go with the candidate of surrender when in fact they did not.
Okay, yeah, you’re right. Yes, the media did in fact lie. The media did in fact hype donations to Obama from the military as proof of military support for Obama. We all knew they were full of crap.
Now we have polling data to prove we were right and the media was wrong. Note that the men and women of the United States military support the fighter, not the effete wimp.
Now from the media? Crickets.
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Obamessiah
Sharp_Right_Turn Tuesday, October 21st at 2:10PM EST (link)The Left-leaning press tried pulling that stunt last Presidential election cycle when they chimed on about how the heads of the National and International Firefighters’ Unions endorsed John Kerry despite the overwhelming support firefighters showed for President Bush.
I have a hard time buying the claim that more American soldiers believe that Sen. Obama is better suited to act as Commander In Chief than Sen.McCain. The extent of Obama’s military resume is that he once considered enlisting in the armed forces back in the late 1970s. Meanwhile, McCain’s military resume is…well… you get the picture.
Are we to believe that the Obamunists really want the overseas military ballots counted when they are so feverishly trying to register dead people, illegal aliens, convicts, Mickey Mouse and Sponge Bob Square Pants, guys named I.P. Freeley and Heywood Jablowmi to vote?
Apples and pomegranates
dalancroft Tuesday, October 21st at 2:21PM EST (link)Let’s analyze this carefully:
The poll talks about support (presumably voting preference), the issue at hand is contributions. Two different things. Also, this is the key excerpt: ” The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.” My brother was a 20-year Navy guy who supports McCain, but most of his young charges, 18 to 22-year-old enlistees, were black & Latino and who probably will swing Obama’s way.
Also, with regard to potentially fraudulent activities, let’s please differentiate between voter REGISTRATION fraud (which does and is occurring) and voter fraud itself. Dead people, and children, and Mickey Mouse, aren’t going to show up at the polls Nov. 4.
My two cents. Thanks for listening.
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Black first, soldier second.
Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:21PM EST (link)I find the most disturbing part of this survey is the 180 degree reversal of the results from the black soldiers.
Here we have a group that should be very demograghically similar in their world view and how they personally relate to that world view. The support for McCain is to be expected as replication for the support for Bush in the previous two elections. However, in fact, it is reflected across the board except for the black soldiers.
So, if anyone says that race is not a factor in this election they are in strong denial but it is reflected on both sides of the ledger.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Is the media lying again?
firstdudette Tuesday, October 21st at 2:23PM EST (link)WTF
this "polling data" demonstrates nothing
ankGrandOlPartier Tuesday, October 21st at 2:25PM EST (link)by the articles own admission, this is not a scientifically accurate poll. you cannot draw any (valid) conclusions just as you can’t from the polls on people.com.
OCBill
OCBill (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:25PM EST (link)Tsk, tsk. You just can’t come to grips with the fact that all those donations to Obama from typical marines like Gomer A. Pyle, Gomer B. Pyle, Gomer C. Pyle, and their 23 roommates at 123 Main Street speak more loudly than any biased poll.
You can’t afford the price of free corn.
But somebody using that dead person's
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:27PM EST (link)name IS going to show up; that’s the whole point of all the registration of voters who don’t exist. As long as there isn’t any of that troublesome Republican stuff like valid ID, you can just ride around in your van with your crew and your list and vote all day long.
In Vino Veritas
I could of told you this...
Kudzu (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:29PM EST (link)However, the Army Times doesn’t focus on
“the group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services…“becuase its the “Army” Times. It has a message for everyone in the Army (as its sister publications do for their respective services). What I can tell you is that its not uncommon to see four or five Army Times laying around a company or platoon area with sections being read by all types of Soldiers. We’re hardly all “senior ranking and less ethnically diverse,” and today’s latest headliner has the story of two Lieutenant Colonels who got in some serious trouble… that’s a story that guys like me (NCOs) eat up. By “senior in rank” they are implying officers… because we all know that unless you get an edukatun you might be stuk in Irak.
We’re not defined by our race like the mainstream media would like us to be. We’re defined by a bigger issue at hand.
It always did take two of you to take down one of me. – Jo Bob Priddy, North Dallas Forty.
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Any state that does not require a state issued ID
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:43PM EST (link)to vote is an open invitation for every body in St. Mary’s Cemetery (and every other cemetery) to vote. And dead people vote overwhelmingly D.
depends
gadawg225 Tuesday, October 21st at 2:51PM EST (link)The question is whether black soldiers have voted disproportionately democrat in past years when a white person was at the top of the ticket. If they haven’t, you have a strong case. If they have, it seems like more a matter of black people tending to vote democrat than racism.
It’s an empirical question; I don’t know the answer.
Let's be fair!
JR Griggs Tuesday, October 21st at 2:51PM EST (link)Come on now, I know that I saw General Scooby Doo listed on Obama’s donor list. That clearly shows that he is winning the support of the military!
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its not the fraudulent voters who vote
David Hinz (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:59PM EST (link)its the fraudulent voters whose votes appear in the ballot box at the end of the day after the non-fraudulent voters have gone home.
It’s not who votes that counts. Its who counts the votes.
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Take King County, WA for example.
itsonlywords (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 4:54PM EST (link)King County should have to certify their results before all the other counties. Otherwise, they just keep “finding” ballots until their preferred candidate “wins.” Definitely a place where “who counts the votes” impacts the results.
If there was no intent to vote fraudulently, why would they bother with the registrations? Obviously, some of the registrations are intended simply to foster distrust with the results (such as Mickey Mouse) but I’m thinking the dead people will be alive and well come election day.
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
Not Scientific
Doctor Biobrain Tuesday, October 21st at 7:35PM EST (link)I’m not really sure this poll is enough to conclude that the media is lying about campaign contributions. I mean, it was a voluntary poll that they originally sent out to 80,000 email addresses and they only got 8,704 responses; over half of whom were retirees. That’s not exactly a scientific sample. In fact, I can’t really see any purpose for them to have tossed out half of the respondees who weren’t planning to vote, as the poll had no real accuracy anyway. That seemed somewhat pointless.
While this poll isn’t meaningless, it really isn’t enough evidence to use to refute the campaign contribution thing. If you’ve got real evidence that they were lying about it, that’s one thing. But this poll simply cannot be used as any sort of proof, other than that the people who responded to it probably weren’t giving dough to Obama. Beyond that, this poll was little better than the online polls CNN and the others use; which are for entertainment only.
Ok, Nevermind
Doctor Biobrain Tuesday, October 21st at 7:55PM EST (link)Wow, this was a pretty big non-issue. I just clicked through those links and saw that the military contributions thing was just lame. They were only tracking contributions over $200, and according to that first link, we’re only talking about 859 donors for Obama and 558 for McCain. That’s nothing. As the guy in the third link said, this really isn’t enough info to extrapolate anything.
And if anything, the numbers show that the McCain donors gave more, with an average of $503 per donor, compared with $391 for Obama. And that doesn’t really sound suspicious and I don’t see any reason to think that the media would be lying about this. If anything, the problem is with how much they hyped this non-issue; not with the basic numbers themselves.
The Media's GOD complex of Obama
angels16 Tuesday, October 21st at 10:03PM EST (link)