This is a damnable lie


According to the Military Times,

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.

But as a snapshot of careerists, the results suggest Democrats have gained little ground in their attempts to significantly chip away at a traditionally Republican voting bloc in campaign messages and legislative initiatives, such as the recent expansion of GI Bill benefits, experts said.

We know this is a damnable lie because the media went out of its way to tell us Barack Obama and Ron Paul have gotten more campaign contributions from soldiers than John McCain.

See here, here, and here for example.

Surely the media would not hype Obama’s support among our servicemen based on campaign contribution reports and then discover the reality was the opposite. Surely they would not have lied to us and distorted coverage of the military to suggest American servicemen and women want to go with the candidate of surrender when in fact they did not.

Okay, yeah, you’re right. Yes, the media did in fact lie. The media did in fact hype donations to Obama from the military as proof of military support for Obama. We all knew they were full of crap.

Now we have polling data to prove we were right and the media was wrong. Note that the men and women of the United States military support the fighter, not the effete wimp.

Now from the media? Crickets.


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Obamessiah

Sharp_Right_Turn Tuesday, October 21st at 2:10PM EST (link)

The Left-leaning press tried pulling that stunt last Presidential election cycle when they chimed on about how the heads of the National and International Firefighters’ Unions endorsed John Kerry despite the overwhelming support firefighters showed for President Bush.

I have a hard time buying the claim that more American soldiers believe that Sen. Obama is better suited to act as Commander In Chief than Sen.McCain. The extent of Obama’s military resume is that he once considered enlisting in the armed forces back in the late 1970s. Meanwhile, McCain’s military resume is…well… you get the picture.

Are we to believe that the Obamunists really want the overseas military ballots counted when they are so feverishly trying to register dead people, illegal aliens, convicts, Mickey Mouse and Sponge Bob Square Pants, guys named I.P. Freeley and Heywood Jablowmi to vote?

 

Apples and pomegranates

dalancroft Tuesday, October 21st at 2:21PM EST (link)

Let’s analyze this carefully:

The poll talks about support (presumably voting preference), the issue at hand is contributions. Two different things. Also, this is the key excerpt: ” The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.” My brother was a 20-year Navy guy who supports McCain, but most of his young charges, 18 to 22-year-old enlistees, were black & Latino and who probably will swing Obama’s way.

Also, with regard to potentially fraudulent activities, let’s please differentiate between voter REGISTRATION fraud (which does and is occurring) and voter fraud itself. Dead people, and children, and Mickey Mouse, aren’t going to show up at the polls Nov. 4.

My two cents. Thanks for listening.

-Libertarian for Common Sense

 

Black first, soldier second.

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:21PM EST (link)

I find the most disturbing part of this survey is the 180 degree reversal of the results from the black soldiers.

Here we have a group that should be very demograghically similar in their world view and how they personally relate to that world view. The support for McCain is to be expected as replication for the support for Bush in the previous two elections. However, in fact, it is reflected across the board except for the black soldiers.

So, if anyone says that race is not a factor in this election they are in strong denial but it is reflected on both sides of the ledger.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

Is the media lying again?

firstdudette Tuesday, October 21st at 2:23PM EST (link)

this "polling data" demonstrates nothing

ankGrandOlPartier Tuesday, October 21st at 2:25PM EST (link)

by the articles own admission, this is not a scientifically accurate poll. you cannot draw any (valid) conclusions just as you can’t from the polls on people.com.

 

OCBill

OCBill (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:25PM EST (link)

Tsk, tsk. You just can’t come to grips with the fact that all those donations to Obama from typical marines like Gomer A. Pyle, Gomer B. Pyle, Gomer C. Pyle, and their 23 roommates at 123 Main Street speak more loudly than any biased poll.

You can’t afford the price of free corn.

But somebody using that dead person's

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:27PM EST (link)

name IS going to show up; that’s the whole point of all the registration of voters who don’t exist. As long as there isn’t any of that troublesome Republican stuff like valid ID, you can just ride around in your van with your crew and your list and vote all day long.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

I could of told you this...

Kudzu (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:29PM EST (link)

However, the Army Times doesn’t focus on
the group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services…“becuase its the “Army” Times. It has a message for everyone in the Army (as its sister publications do for their respective services). What I can tell you is that its not uncommon to see four or five Army Times laying around a company or platoon area with sections being read by all types of Soldiers. We’re hardly all “senior ranking and less ethnically diverse,” and today’s latest headliner has the story of two Lieutenant Colonels who got in some serious trouble… that’s a story that guys like me (NCOs) eat up. By “senior in rank” they are implying officers… because we all know that unless you get an edukatun you might be stuk in Irak.

We’re not defined by our race like the mainstream media would like us to be. We’re defined by a bigger issue at hand.

It always did take two of you to take down one of me. – Jo Bob Priddy, North Dallas Forty.

Now on at http://kudzu630.wordpress.com/

Any state that does not require a state issued ID

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:43PM EST (link)

to vote is an open invitation for every body in St. Mary’s Cemetery (and every other cemetery) to vote. And dead people vote overwhelmingly D.

depends

gadawg225 Tuesday, October 21st at 2:51PM EST (link)

The question is whether black soldiers have voted disproportionately democrat in past years when a white person was at the top of the ticket. If they haven’t, you have a strong case. If they have, it seems like more a matter of black people tending to vote democrat than racism.
It’s an empirical question; I don’t know the answer.

 
 
 

Let's be fair!

JR Griggs Tuesday, October 21st at 2:51PM EST (link)

Come on now, I know that I saw General Scooby Doo listed on Obama’s donor list. That clearly shows that he is winning the support of the military!

- JR Griggs

its not the fraudulent voters who vote

David Hinz (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:59PM EST (link)

its the fraudulent voters whose votes appear in the ballot box at the end of the day after the non-fraudulent voters have gone home.

It’s not who votes that counts. Its who counts the votes.

Take King County, WA for example.

itsonlywords (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 4:54PM EST (link)

King County should have to certify their results before all the other counties. Otherwise, they just keep “finding” ballots until their preferred candidate “wins.” Definitely a place where “who counts the votes” impacts the results.

If there was no intent to vote fraudulently, why would they bother with the registrations? Obviously, some of the registrations are intended simply to foster distrust with the results (such as Mickey Mouse) but I’m thinking the dead people will be alive and well come election day.

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.

 
 
 

Not Scientific

Doctor Biobrain Tuesday, October 21st at 7:35PM EST (link)

I’m not really sure this poll is enough to conclude that the media is lying about campaign contributions. I mean, it was a voluntary poll that they originally sent out to 80,000 email addresses and they only got 8,704 responses; over half of whom were retirees. That’s not exactly a scientific sample. In fact, I can’t really see any purpose for them to have tossed out half of the respondees who weren’t planning to vote, as the poll had no real accuracy anyway. That seemed somewhat pointless.

While this poll isn’t meaningless, it really isn’t enough evidence to use to refute the campaign contribution thing. If you’ve got real evidence that they were lying about it, that’s one thing. But this poll simply cannot be used as any sort of proof, other than that the people who responded to it probably weren’t giving dough to Obama. Beyond that, this poll was little better than the online polls CNN and the others use; which are for entertainment only.

Ok, Nevermind

Doctor Biobrain Tuesday, October 21st at 7:55PM EST (link)

Wow, this was a pretty big non-issue. I just clicked through those links and saw that the military contributions thing was just lame. They were only tracking contributions over $200, and according to that first link, we’re only talking about 859 donors for Obama and 558 for McCain. That’s nothing. As the guy in the third link said, this really isn’t enough info to extrapolate anything.

And if anything, the numbers show that the McCain donors gave more, with an average of $503 per donor, compared with $391 for Obama. And that doesn’t really sound suspicious and I don’t see any reason to think that the media would be lying about this. If anything, the problem is with how much they hyped this non-issue; not with the basic numbers themselves.

 
 

The Media's GOD complex of Obama

angels16 Tuesday, October 21st at 10:03PM EST (link)
  I have seen this many times while looking through news articles about Obama. The latest from Reuters has him up on a pedestal with an overcast sky with light outlining the clouds, looking very much like the roof of the Sistine Chapel. They are trying to make Obama into a messiah, comparing him to God. The gall the media has in making Obama into a messiah. The odasity...The cahones! I cannot believe, living in this free country, that they would EVER elevate anyone to the stature of a messiah. It really makes me sick, and how the media has sold itself out to back a candidate. Are the people of America seeing this? Do they know what is going with the media? Do they know how dangerous this is? NO ONE can compare to GOD. Any attempts at that is Blashphemy, and any Christian that votes for Obama is selling out their religion. Not just for that reason, but for the reason of Abortion and Gay marriage. Don't get me wrong...I love all people, and have many gay friends, But I don't agree with their life style, and I let them know it. Just because I disagree with their life style does not mean that I do not love them as a person. I just don't like the way they live. The same goes for Barack Obama...I don't like his policies or his stance on things, but I like him as a person. I will not vote for Obama, but as a person he is very likable.
  People must realize that Obama is no Kennedy, and they are in no way similar. The only similarity they may have is their age, and the fact that they have several children. McCain also has children, but he has age and experience on his side. 

    Obama is a first term senator that has spent 2 years campaigning for President, and he is not a messiah. More aptly, he could be the anti-christ, but he is certainly not a messiah, and any comparison to that end is sacreligious. Why has the media placed Obama on such a high pedestal and made him out to be a messiah? To get people to vote for him of course, and to make him seem like he has all the answers to all of our problems. He does not even have the experience to be our president, let alone deal with the complex problems of foreign relations and issues. Obama has not even served in the Armed forces, so how can he be expect to lead them in battle when he himself has never seen battle, and has never placed his own life on the line? 

   Obama, who has never served in the armed forces, will now be making decisions based on his own inexperience. How can he understand what people go through on a deployment overseas when he himself has never been on a deployment? He has also said that he will make deployments more managable, but how will he know what is managable when he does not know what a normal deployment is like? For someone who is to be President of the United States, I think that they should have served the military in some capacity to better qualify them for the job. Serving in the military gives the president insight into what he will ask others to do when going to war. Having never put his own life on the line, I cannot trust Obama to do the right thing when it comes down to combat. 

     Is anyone else concerned that they hold Obama to be a messiah, but yet he has never served in the military, and he may very well ask veterans like myself to go to war with him...I am very concerned with his inexperience, having never put his harvard educated life on the line for another human being, and knowing what that takes. I do not trust him, he is NO MESSIAH, and the media is setting up AMERICANS for a big fall should Obama get elected. Will Obama fulfill his campaign promises, or will he come back and say "after reviewing the budget, I blame Bush for the deficit, and I cannot honor any campaign promises, and I must now raise your taxes substantially!"  This is how I forsee what will happen when Obama gets into the White House, and if you don't want that to happen, then you must vote for McCain, and tell others to vote for McCain also. 

  There is no way Obama can keep his campaign promises, and as soon as he is elected, he will not only break all of his promises, but we will see the largest increase of taxes for all people in the history of the United States. It will be unprecedented, in a time of recession, that we will be taxed even more, when he promised that the taxes would not be increased, but decreased. This is a Warning for people, but they have wonderlust in their eyes when it comes to Obama, and unless we snap them out of it, this country will see enormous crises very shortly after Obama is elected, and it will lead to Chaos. No, I'm not into gloom and doom, but putting a rookie statesman at the helm is a very dangerous thing to do. No only is he a rookie statesman, but he has never served in the military, so his judgement is skewed the wrong way, and he does not know what it is like to go into combat, to put your life on the line, and to have other people's life in your hands....it is very hard to do if you have never done it, and the men in uniform want someone leading them who has been in combat before, and has bled before, so that the one leading them knows what it is like, and will not lead his men or put his men into a situation that he himself has never been in or would not put them into a bad situation. Obama does not have that credibility with the men in uniform, and does not know what it is like to be in a combat situation. So when he talks about hopping into Pakistan and taking out Al-Queida targets, he does not know what it means going into extremely hostile territory, dodging bullets and RPG's, killing many people along the way and taking casualties yourself, and then bring out who you came after, and going back across the border with your captives. This is what it will take, and how can he ask the military men to do this when he himself has never been in the military himself, and has never carried out any military operation himself?!!! He can't do it with any credibility, and yet he wants to be President of the United States. This is just one reason that he cannot be president. His stance on Abortion and Gay Marriage are 2 other reasons why he can't be president. 

 Call me Patriotic and Christian, but one must lead by example, and one must follow the premis by which this country was founded. Everyone has the right to life, including an unborn baby. Marriage is between a man and a woman, not between two men or two women. What Obama believes in will undermine the principles on which this country stands, and will lower its morals, leading countries in the middle east to dislike us even more. Obama does not even call himself an American Citizen...He calls himself a World Citizen. Maybe this is because he was born in Mooroco aboard a plane, a tough way to come into this world, and yet he claims to be born in America, thus getting all the benifits the United States has to offer. It is very interesting how he takes the benifits from the United States on one hand, yet condemns it on the other hand. 

  The media has made Obama into a messiah, and yet he is just a man who does not have the experience necessary to become President of the United States. The media has chosen who it thinks would make a good president, and it is not based on experience. The media has picked Obama out of a "feeling" that he would bring change to the White house, but in fact, because he is on the far left side of the democratic party, there would be an Avalanche of change, and not good change at that. Congress would have the Democartic majority, and could pass any bill or any law that they saw fit, an no one would be able to stop an increase in taxes and in PORK SPENDING. The deficit would be out of control, and the Obama administration would run up the deficit more than the Bush Administration. It would be out of control. He would not keep any campaign promise, blaming that on Bush (just as he has tied McCain to Bush, he would tie his inability to honor his campaign promises to Bush) and he make this country worse off than it already is.