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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4552</link>
		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be seen by EVERY eye that hits this site because Conservatism is indeed not the opposite of leftism it is the history of our Country!  Let us FIGHT every day so that America is always the wonderful place that the world both loves &amp; hates...heh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be seen by EVERY eye that hits this site because Conservatism is indeed not the opposite of leftism it is the history of our Country!  Let us FIGHT every day so that America is always the wonderful place that the world both loves &amp; hates&#8230;heh!</p>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4550</link>
		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reelman- Wirh that ,where do you stand on National Security, our greatest military force on earth,  and believing that htis is an important part of Conservativism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reelman- Wirh that ,where do you stand on National Security, our greatest military force on earth,  and believing that htis is an important part of Conservativism?</p>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4551</link>
		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reelman- Wirh that ,where do you stand on National Security, our greatest military force on earth,  and believing that htis is an important part of Conservativism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reelman- Wirh that ,where do you stand on National Security, our greatest military force on earth,  and believing that htis is an important part of Conservativism?</p>
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		<title>By: kyle8</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4549</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds more like libertarianism or classic liberalism.  Modern day conservatives sometimes fall directly into the path of being fine with big government and government control of our lives in at least some areas. 

Hence some of us have our problems with modern conservatism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds more like libertarianism or classic liberalism.  Modern day conservatives sometimes fall directly into the path of being fine with big government and government control of our lives in at least some areas. </p>
<p>Hence some of us have our problems with modern conservatism.</p>
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		<title>By: merryj1</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4525</link>
		<dc:creator>merryj1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just that the linguistic thing with these labels (Right=conservative, Left=liberal) has been a bugbear with me since the Clinton bunch muddled the language with the &quot;radical right&quot; oxymoron talking points, and our side took a long-running beating because no one called them out. 

PS: It&#039;s &quot;MerryJ&quot; (my parents weren&#039;t being cutesy, they tagged me with someone&#039;s surname) and the &quot;J&quot; is not &quot;Jane.&quot; But what&#039;s suspicious about &quot;maryjane?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just that the linguistic thing with these labels (Right=conservative, Left=liberal) has been a bugbear with me since the Clinton bunch muddled the language with the &#8220;radical right&#8221; oxymoron talking points, and our side took a long-running beating because no one called them out. </p>
<p>PS: It&#8217;s &#8220;MerryJ&#8221; (my parents weren&#8217;t being cutesy, they tagged me with someone&#8217;s surname) and the &#8220;J&#8221; is not &#8220;Jane.&#8221; But what&#8217;s suspicious about &#8220;maryjane?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: reelman</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4524</link>
		<dc:creator>reelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simplest and most effective way to promote conservatism is to describe yourself as believing in 3 principles that you funnel all issues thru...
1...a smaller more efficient gov-meant
2...the lowest possible taxes (lower these days)
3...traditional basic morality

Ask a liberal for their 3 principles and see the blank stares...been there.
Repeat repeat repeat repeat...do not improvise or get into side topic-changing...
Why national Repubs need to send me so many &quot;surveys&quot; is beyond me...principles guide you...not hit and miss opinions of others.
Just be sure you can articulate defense of those principles.

This does not apply to most iberals because they are emotions-utopia based humans that rarely can be convinced to change...so we must expose and defeat them...
they detest real debate...another trait of the modern liberal (aka secular socialist) not found in conservatism...we LOVE real fair debating...you know, the kind without talking over, smears, topic-shifting and profanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simplest and most effective way to promote conservatism is to describe yourself as believing in 3 principles that you funnel all issues thru&#8230;<br />
1&#8230;a smaller more efficient gov-meant<br />
2&#8230;the lowest possible taxes (lower these days)<br />
3&#8230;traditional basic morality</p>
<p>Ask a liberal for their 3 principles and see the blank stares&#8230;been there.<br />
Repeat repeat repeat repeat&#8230;do not improvise or get into side topic-changing&#8230;<br />
Why national Repubs need to send me so many &#8220;surveys&#8221; is beyond me&#8230;principles guide you&#8230;not hit and miss opinions of others.<br />
Just be sure you can articulate defense of those principles.</p>
<p>This does not apply to most iberals because they are emotions-utopia based humans that rarely can be convinced to change&#8230;so we must expose and defeat them&#8230;<br />
they detest real debate&#8230;another trait of the modern liberal (aka secular socialist) not found in conservatism&#8230;we LOVE real fair debating&#8230;you know, the kind without talking over, smears, topic-shifting and profanity.</p>
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		<title>By: LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misreading is always too bad and you know what assuming does. Frankly, I wasn&#039;t sure you were on my side from what you wrote on this post, and the maryjane in your name leads me to suspicion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misreading is always too bad and you know what assuming does. Frankly, I wasn&#8217;t sure you were on my side from what you wrote on this post, and the maryjane in your name leads me to suspicion.</p>
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		<title>By: merryj1</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4522</link>
		<dc:creator>merryj1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a linguistic issue, not a political one.</description>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.

A great concept, and carried off brilliantly.

Well done.</description>
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<p>A great concept, and carried off brilliantly.</p>
<p>Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: merryj1</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4520</link>
		<dc:creator>merryj1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, L.J. &quot;Beaglescout,&quot;

Tsk, tsk. Projective thinking is what extremists do (both right and left). No, I&#039;m not buying into anything, you must&#039;ve either misinterpreted the comments or missed an earlier entry in the continuum. I understand that all of the tyranical &quot;isms&quot; are on the same side of the R-L scale regardless of the time and location of that scale; it&#039;s the labels that are fluid, not the pathologies.

To clarify what I mean by reactionism (being extreme on the political right) with a relevant example, the pro-life/abortion debate: We on the pro-life side lost the Roe v Wade-debate, not because we were wrong or in a true minority but, partially at least, because the loudest, most consistent shouting on our side was from those determined to include an absolute ban on all forms of artificial birth control into the anti-abortion mix (come to think of it, maybe it was radical activists deliberately trying to discredit pro-lifers; I jest, but the point is made).

With the possible exception (and I&#039;m not even close to convinced) of contraceptives that include spermicide, banning birth control is not about preserving life, it&#039;s about controlling others&#039; behavior. There is a distinction in that the desire to control (in this and similar instances) is on an individual, personal level and  not accompanied by the power to control. Should that happen, it would leapfrog the governing ideology over to the opposite side of the scale and into one of the statist groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, L.J. &#8220;Beaglescout,&#8221;</p>
<p>Tsk, tsk. Projective thinking is what extremists do (both right and left). No, I&#8217;m not buying into anything, you must&#8217;ve either misinterpreted the comments or missed an earlier entry in the continuum. I understand that all of the tyranical &#8220;isms&#8221; are on the same side of the R-L scale regardless of the time and location of that scale; it&#8217;s the labels that are fluid, not the pathologies.</p>
<p>To clarify what I mean by reactionism (being extreme on the political right) with a relevant example, the pro-life/abortion debate: We on the pro-life side lost the Roe v Wade-debate, not because we were wrong or in a true minority but, partially at least, because the loudest, most consistent shouting on our side was from those determined to include an absolute ban on all forms of artificial birth control into the anti-abortion mix (come to think of it, maybe it was radical activists deliberately trying to discredit pro-lifers; I jest, but the point is made).</p>
<p>With the possible exception (and I&#8217;m not even close to convinced) of contraceptives that include spermicide, banning birth control is not about preserving life, it&#8217;s about controlling others&#8217; behavior. There is a distinction in that the desire to control (in this and similar instances) is on an individual, personal level and  not accompanied by the power to control. Should that happen, it would leapfrog the governing ideology over to the opposite side of the scale and into one of the statist groups.</p>
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		<title>By: redneck_hippie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4519</link>
		<dc:creator>redneck_hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>link:

http://www.trivia-library.com/b/origins-of-common-words-sinister.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>link:</p>
<p>http://www.trivia-library.com/b/origins-of-common-words-sinister.htm</p>
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		<title>By: penguin2</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4518</link>
		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Left.&quot;  Sorry couldn&#039;t help myself  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Left.&#8221;  Sorry couldn&#8217;t help myself  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: redneck_hippie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4517</link>
		<dc:creator>redneck_hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the label of liberal and usually use leftist, and more recently I&#039;ve really taken a shine to collectivist. Statist doesn&#039;t roll off my tongue the same way as collectivist does. Maybe it&#039;s all the extra syllables, I don&#039;t know. Or the connotaions and associations.

The collective farms in the USSR, obviously.

But what does the IRS do but COLLECT.

Leftists suffer from a COLLECTIVE insanity.

Sweeping the congress clean will allow us a COLLECTIVE sigh of relief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the label of liberal and usually use leftist, and more recently I&#8217;ve really taken a shine to collectivist. Statist doesn&#8217;t roll off my tongue the same way as collectivist does. Maybe it&#8217;s all the extra syllables, I don&#8217;t know. Or the connotaions and associations.</p>
<p>The collective farms in the USSR, obviously.</p>
<p>But what does the IRS do but COLLECT.</p>
<p>Leftists suffer from a COLLECTIVE insanity.</p>
<p>Sweeping the congress clean will allow us a COLLECTIVE sigh of relief.</p>
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		<title>By: redneck_hippie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4516</link>
		<dc:creator>redneck_hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prescribes right action for individuals and circumstance in such a way that the arbitrariness of justice is minimized. How this is done is by concentrating the force of law in such a way that it will be applicable in general to all times, people and circumstances.

If prescribed in general enough terms, outcomes are predictable and people will be able to predict what their best course of action will be at any given time.

When laws are contorted into all kinds of specificity and riddled with exceptions, the purpose of the law (guiding right behavior and a civil society) is not served.

Anyway, IIRC something I read recently by Burke. The most natural moral laws in the world are conservative at their core. Think: 10 commandments and the Bill of Rights and then contemplate the travesties wreaked in our congress. 

I&#039;ve obviously not read deeply on natural law, so forgive my muddleheadedness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prescribes right action for individuals and circumstance in such a way that the arbitrariness of justice is minimized. How this is done is by concentrating the force of law in such a way that it will be applicable in general to all times, people and circumstances.</p>
<p>If prescribed in general enough terms, outcomes are predictable and people will be able to predict what their best course of action will be at any given time.</p>
<p>When laws are contorted into all kinds of specificity and riddled with exceptions, the purpose of the law (guiding right behavior and a civil society) is not served.</p>
<p>Anyway, IIRC something I read recently by Burke. The most natural moral laws in the world are conservative at their core. Think: 10 commandments and the Bill of Rights and then contemplate the travesties wreaked in our congress. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve obviously not read deeply on natural law, so forgive my muddleheadedness.</p>
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		<title>By: merryj1</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4515</link>
		<dc:creator>merryj1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I was referring to extreme left and extreme right in the political sense (radical and reactionary). It was a carry-over from a previous comment of mine that someone had replied to, and my &quot;Well ok, but...&quot; comment was a reply to that response. A few other comments, meanwhile, were posted between.

Sorry if I seemed to be a little confused about what planet I&#039;m on :)

That &quot;extremism in pursuit of liberty is no vice, and (something something I can&#039;t recall) is no virtue&quot; quote: I didn&#039;t realize it was from Rand, I remember Goldwater saying it, but I didn&#039;t realize he was quoting. He got a lot of static for it (but he got static for everything).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I was referring to extreme left and extreme right in the political sense (radical and reactionary). It was a carry-over from a previous comment of mine that someone had replied to, and my &#8220;Well ok, but&#8230;&#8221; comment was a reply to that response. A few other comments, meanwhile, were posted between.</p>
<p>Sorry if I seemed to be a little confused about what planet I&#8217;m on <img src='http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That &#8220;extremism in pursuit of liberty is no vice, and (something something I can&#8217;t recall) is no virtue&#8221; quote: I didn&#8217;t realize it was from Rand, I remember Goldwater saying it, but I didn&#8217;t realize he was quoting. He got a lot of static for it (but he got static for everything).</p>
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		<title>By: merryj1</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4514</link>
		<dc:creator>merryj1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just call them &quot;rational and right-thinking people.&quot; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just call them &#8220;rational and right-thinking people.&#8221; <img src='http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: itrytobenice</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4513</link>
		<dc:creator>itrytobenice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course I meant to say &#039;people&#039;, though I suppose peole need gods too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course I meant to say &#8216;people&#8217;, though I suppose peole need gods too.</p>
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		<title>By: itrytobenice</title>
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		<dc:creator>itrytobenice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some, that god is the gov&#039;t.

They call themselves progressive, but I&#039;m with Toby/Levin.  Let&#039;s call them statists.

Good diary EPU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some, that god is the gov&#8217;t.</p>
<p>They call themselves progressive, but I&#8217;m with Toby/Levin.  Let&#8217;s call them statists.</p>
<p>Good diary EPU.</p>
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		<title>By: E Pluribus Unum</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4511</link>
		<dc:creator>E Pluribus Unum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, totally agree.  I think we forget that we can actually campaign and win on the pragmatic nature of conservative principles.  That &#039;trust but verify&#039; , that &#039;checks and balances&#039;, &#039;peace through strength&#039;.

We allow the lefties to define us and don&#039;t stop and correct them before answering the questions.  Liz Cheney is the best I ever saw at just REJECTING the pre-loaded questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, totally agree.  I think we forget that we can actually campaign and win on the pragmatic nature of conservative principles.  That &#8216;trust but verify&#8217; , that &#8216;checks and balances&#8217;, &#8216;peace through strength&#8217;.</p>
<p>We allow the lefties to define us and don&#8217;t stop and correct them before answering the questions.  Liz Cheney is the best I ever saw at just REJECTING the pre-loaded questions.</p>
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		<title>By: E Pluribus Unum</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/10/26/leftism-is-not-the-opposite/#comment-4510</link>
		<dc:creator>E Pluribus Unum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and bankruptcy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and bankruptcy.</p>
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