A national disgrace : Obama’s harrassment of freedom-loving Honduras


Supports ousted president who *actually* tried to stage a coup

You may have missed this crisis if you get your news from the alphabet soup partisan media, who have mostly failed to cover it except to misrepresent it in favor of Obama.

You are probably not surprised to find that Poland and the Czech Republic are not the only loyal and faithful American allies getting screwed by the Obama Administration these days. The ongoing drama in Honduras is an outrage and a disgrace, but not because the Hondurans have done anything wrong. It’s because the Obama administration is actively intervening on behalf of a thug would-be dictator whom the Hondurans properly and legally drove from power.

Shame on you, Barack.

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Follow closely, because this is an extremely important and telling example of the kind of foreign policy we are getting from Barack Obama. Let’s review what’s been going on in Honduras this year, and how the Obama administration has come down completely on the side of tyrants, cheaters, and marxists They’ve done it deliberately, and in keeping with their overall global policy of rejecting freedom and snuggling up to the thugs and bandits of the world [remember Iranian protesters after the fraud election? remember soldiers shooting them? remember Obama's reaction?].

The Scene

Honduras is one of the most impoverished countries in central America, but it has been and remains a democratic republic in a region currently overshadowed by several evil dictators who are intent on spreading the evils of drug-money fueled marxism and tyranny to the entire region: Fidel & Raul Castro of Cuba, Evo Morales of Bolivia, Rafael Correa of Ecuador, and most of all, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. [a cynic like me might add Daniel Ortega in neighboring Nicaragua to the list, as he's lobbying to change their constitution to allow him to run for president again]

Morales, Correa, and Chavez were ALL elected in free elections, then seized power by one means or another, and turned republics into their personal tin-pot dictatorships. In the crisis currently underway, Zelaya tried to do the same thing.

Manuel Zelaya ran for president as a left-centrist in 2005, but once elected, his friendship and alliances with Hugo Chavez and Raul Castro and signing Honduras onto the Bolivarian Alliance (ALBA, aka, “we hate the US club”) along with clashes with the business sector, rising violent crime rates, and a seeming lack of a coherent domestic policy led to 25% approval ratings by 2008.

The Rules

The Honduran Constitution, ratified in 1982, is the latest in a series (common among nations not named “The United States”). This one appears to have improved on previous ones, and one notable character of it is that it strives to guard against tyranny.

Article 4 (translated)

The form of government is republican, democratic and representative. Is exercised by three branches: legislative, executive and judicial, and independent and complementary relationship of subordination.
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Alternation in the presidency of the Republic is required.
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Violation of this rule constitutes the crime of treason.

Article 239 (translated)

The citizen that has been the head of the Execut[ive] Branch cannot be President or Vice-President (again). Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years.

Article 272 (translated)

The Armed Forces of Honduras, are a National Institution of a permanent basis, essentially professional, apolitical, obedient and non-deliberative.
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They are set to defend the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic, maintain peace, public order and the rule of the Constitution , the principles of free suffrage and alternation in the exercise of the Presidency of the Republic.
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Cooperate with the National Police in the maintenance of public order .
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In order to ensure the free exercise of the vote, the custody, transport and surveillance of electoral materials and other aspects of the security of the process, the President of the Republic, put the Armed Forces available to the National Elections Tribunal, from a month before the elections, until the final declaration of the same.

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The Constitution is straightfoward enough:

  • It is a crime of treason to even propose to change the constitution to allow a president to have a second consecutive term. That may be a little strict or strange to you, but its intended purpose seems to have been to keep a person like Zelaya from following his baser instincts.
  • The duties of the military include enforcing the constitution, mentioning in particular the maintenance of the alternation of the presidency.

According to Miguel Estrada — yes, THAT Miguel Estrada, born in Honduras, educated at Columbia and Harvard Law school, apprenticed under Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, and argued cases in front of the Supreme Court as Assistant Solicitor General; the one the Democrats filibustered to keep from becoming an appellate judge purely because he was Hispanic; THAT Miguel Estrada — there are only three unamendable provisions in the Honduran Constitution:

  • the country’s borders
  • the rules that limit a president to a single four-year term
  • the requirement that presidential administrations must “succeed one another” in a “republican form of government.”

The Crime

As I mentioned above, Zelaya ‘s been hanging around with dictators while crime rates have gone up and his popularity has gone down. Early this year, with his term winding to a close, he called a referendum for June 28, which if approved, would call a constitutional convention for the purpose of replacing the current constitution with a brand new one.

Given Zelaya ‘s leanings, track record, and his waning presidency, there could be only one reason to scrap the constitution: to, in effect, amend the unamendable portions. This move was widely viewed in that light. A referendum requires a 2/3 vote of Congress to even propose to the people, and the Congress voted it down, saying it was illegal. Yet the referendum was proceeding.

Attorney General Alberto Rubi filed suit to stop the referendum, and a court order made it so. Zelaya declared the referendum would proceed, but called it an “opinion survey” . This was also halted but the courts. Nevertheless he persisted. No printer in Honduras would print ballots in defiance of the courts, so he had the ballots printed in Venezuela and flown in.

Persistent cuss, ain’t he? He wasn’t done yet.

He ordered the military to dispense the ballots to polling stations. He was refused, so he fired General Romeo Basquez, leader of the military. The Supreme Court re-instated him. Since the military was not going to dispense the ballots, on June 25, a group of Zelaya supporters marched into the Air Force installation where they were sequestered, stole them, and began distributing them.

The Consequence

At this point, AG Rubi asked for an arrest warrant from the Supreme Court on grounds of treason for violation of Article 239. He also asked the Congress to impeach Zelaya . In response, the Supreme Court, ordered the military, per Article 272, to arrest Zelaya , which was done June 28, the day the referendum had been scheduled. In a breach of protocol, the military exiled Zelaya to Costa Rica instead of placing him in custody in Honduras to face trial for treason.

So far, it would seem the Supreme Court and the military acted within their authority in enforcing the Constitution. The Congress, dominated by Zelaya’s party, voted 122-6 to remove him from office (I presume this is the impeachment Rubi asked for). Since the Vice President had quit earlier (to run for President) and had not been replaced, next in the line of succession was Roberto Micheletti, leader of Congress (analogous to our Speaker of the House, who is also 3rd in line), also of Zelaya’s party. He was appointed to complete Zelaya’s term, which expires next January. He cannot run for re-election, and has experssed no interest in doing so.

A coup?

Estrada sums it up:

It cannot be right to call this a “coup.”

  • Micheletti was lawfully made president by the country’s elected Congress.
  • The president is a civilian.
  • The Honduran Congress and courts continue to function as before.
  • The armed forces are under civilian control.
  • The elections scheduled for November are still scheduled for November.
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    Indeed, after reviewing the Constitution and consulting with the Supreme Court, the Congress and the electoral tribunal, respected Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga recently stated that the only possible conclusion is that Zelaya had lawfully been ousted under Article 239 before he was arrested, and that democracy in Honduras continues fully to operate in accordance with law. All Honduran bishops joined Rodriguez in this pronouncement.

Yet Obama called it a ‘coup’, and continues to do so.

President Obama said yesterday that the military ouster of Honduran President Manuel Zelaya was illegal and could set a “terrible precedent,”
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(snip)
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Obama repeated yesterday that the United States viewed Zelaya as Honduras’s president and that “the coup was not legal.”

The Meddling Outsiders – ‘it was a coup’

Since claiming from the start that it was a coup, Obama has directed broadside after broadside at the poor but courageous nation of Honduras. From the beginning, he along with OAS has called for the unconditional re-instatement of Zelaya. On July 2, he suspended military and non-humanitarian aid, and on Sept 3, that was made permanent, and apparently all aid, including humanitarian, agricultural and other, is threatened. The State Department also threatened to not recognize the results of the upcoming November election:

“Based on conditions as they currently exist, we cannot recognize the results of this election. So for the de facto regime, they’re now in a box,” said State Department spokesman Philip J. Crowley. “And they will have to sign on to the San Jose accords to get out of the box.” He was referring to the plan for Zelaya’s return, which was negotiated in the Costa Rican capital.

Further insulting Honduras, the administration has revoked the visas of Interim President Micheletti 14 members of the Supreme court, and Foreign Minister Carlos Lopez, ahead of the upcoming UN General Assembly. Oh, did I mention, the UN condemned the ouster of Zelaya?

So while Obama is putting the screws to Honduras and refusing their proper authorities entry into America for the UN summit this month, here’s a short list of despots, tyrants, dictators, and blood-soaked murders who will be welcomed onto American soil to attend the General Assembly:
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Raul Castro, Hugo Chavez, Muammar Gaddafi.
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I don’t know whether that’s hope or change. I lose track.

The Conclusion

The Honduran people strongly desire freedom while their nation, as a primary corridor of drug traffic between Columbia and the United States, is racked with murder and violent crime not of their making. They have ousted, by perfectly legal means, a president who tried to overthrow their constitution.

In response, Obama and his administration have acted in the most vile and disgraceful way possible, acting against the best interests of not only a staunch ally in Honduras, but against the obvious interests of United States.

Honduras deserves a chance.

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Honduras deserves our support.

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And no pony for you, Barack!


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It's mind-boggling

bk (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 8:22AM EST (link)

So far the only two countries I can think of that Obama has screwed are Honduras and Israel. Countries like Russia, Iran, and North Korea have gotten treated 1000x better by Obama. What the heck?!?!?

Don't forget Poland...nt.

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 9:42AM EST (link)

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

And, among others, Czechoslovakia. nt

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 10:46AM EST (link)

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Czech Republic and Slovakia are separate countries now

bk (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 11:20AM EST (link)

where “now” means “since 1993″ :-)

bk, thanks for the correction,

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 11:43AM EST (link)

I realized it after clicking. Been reading tons of WWII history lately, is my lame excuse. At least I’ve cured myself of referring to the historical USSR as Russia and vice versa. When we were cowering under our desks in 5th grade we called our enemy Russia, not the USSR. :)


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oops - how could I forget his tossing Poland and Czech Republic under the bus too

bk (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 11:18AM EST (link)
 
 

Obama wants the same thing here.

Steph C (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 8:57AM EST (link)

But he will fail.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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The Won doesn't recognize our Constitution why she he...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 9:25AM EST (link)

recognize Honduras’s…..he is a national SHAME and Jimmy Carter II. When this Presidency ends in 2012 it will take a Conservative President the full first 4 years to make what this pathetic President has destroyed RIGHT again!

btw that should be "why should he"...its Sunday..heh..nt

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 10:49AM EST (link)

He is 100x worse than Jimmy Carter

bk (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 11:21AM EST (link)

At least Carter had good intentions.

 

Comparing Obama to Carter is an insult...

mikefisk (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 11:21AM EST (link)

…to Carter.

Sure, Carter was an abominable President, but he also did certain things that, as it turned out, he was right on, namely the partial deregulation of the airline and phone industries.

All I have seen from Obama is a reflexive instinct to work against the interests of the people of the United States at large and its allies.

The ultimate difference is that Carter was dangerously naive. Obama knows darn well what he’s doing.

“Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant.” – Michael Fisk

9.25, -4.77

 
 

Spot On Analysis

lukematthews (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 10:56AM EST (link)

You make an excellent case. This is precisely what the socialist Zelaya was doing. The Obama administration is either too stupid or so socialist and authoritarian, they agreee with Zelaya. Clinton is also just as complicate in this arrangement. They are trying to bring a spread of leftwing radicals into power in the Western Hemisphere. They are under the ridiculous assumption that socialists, like Chavez, are ‘liberal democrats’. They are just puffed up dictators that govern by fiat much like military dictatorships. They simply allow fake, Cuban/Soviet elections that are not real contests. They retain power and rule without consequence. Very sad.

 

Obama is a Communist.

Tbone (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 11:35AM EST (link)

And yes, it is that simple.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

As is Hillary Clinton.

Achance (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 11:52AM EST (link)

Had Republican opposition not been so intense, she and WJC would have governed just as crazy left as Comrade Obama. It wasn’t for nothing that she wrote her thesis on Saul Alinsky.

In Vino Veritas

I Don't Agree Here, Art

IJB Sunday, September 20th at 12:11PM EST (link)

It’s not that I don’t think Hillie is a Leftie too, ‘cos I do.

But I do not agree that she’s be as bad as Obama. There are plenty of indications, both on policy and on personality, where Hillary would have been a better bet than Barry.

I’m not saying she would have been “good” for the country (or us).
But I am saying she definitely would have been *less bad*…

Is the difference that Hillary is a bit more pragmatic?

bk (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 12:19PM EST (link)

Obama doesn’t seem to care what anyone else thinks.

“I won.”

That's One Difference

IJB Sunday, September 20th at 12:23PM EST (link)

I think as she’s gotten older, Hillary has become less doctrinaire.

Also, I think Hillary has come to realize that she’s roundly hated (which probably makes her more realistic), while I think Barry lives in a huge bubble where he truly believes he’s beloved by everybody save a tiny (and racist) minority.

The latter character flaw is the one that will make Obama more and more dangerous and destructive as time goes on…

Disagree about HRC

thevagabond Monday, September 21st at 9:07AM EST (link)

She’s as far left as she ever was. She led the Zelaya-reinstatement chorus from Day 1 while BHO got up to speed on where Honduras was located.

 
 

Also, Hillary is culturally an American.

Tbone (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 4:32PM EST (link)

Obama isn’t.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Former President of the Wellesley College Republicans

revivefederalism (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 4:49PM EST (link)

I wonder what went wrong…

The Sixties. nt

Achance (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 5:36PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 
 

I see Hillary as both opportunistic and as a

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 12:30PM EST (link)

fellow traveller. We’ll know for sure that she is not a committed Communist if she challenges The One for the presidency. If she remains a mere fellow traveller, she is less opportunistic than I think.

If she is a pure opportunist, she would run, because there is so much room to his right, she would be well placed as a mainstream left-democrat.

Think about the difference between kissing the wife of the leader of the PLO, and actually bowing down to the saudi prince. Hillary’s got the proclivities, but would she have the arrogance?


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O went for the economy, she went for families

mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 4:53PM EST (link)

All their goals are the same but she seems to be more focused on destroying families and women first and with him it’s the economy stuff. It’s all interwoven but that is just what I’ve noticed.

Yes, lefties attack on all fronts. That is

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 6:19PM EST (link)

one reason why I have to laugh at the fact that Obama has said he is able to multitask, but when asked about the Acorn scandal by Stephananopoulus he feigns ignorance because he says he has more important things to talk about like Afghanistan. How long before Afghanistan becomes off topic because he has more important things on his mind.


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What am I missing?

ss396 Sunday, September 20th at 12:31PM EST (link)

The Honduran military overstepped their authority when they ran Zelaya into exile. I can see that as a hook for questioning the legitimacy of the succession process. But I also think that the Obama administration would have reacted as they have even if the military had merely arrested Zelaya.

I can easily see this administration, with their propensity for lefty knee-jerk reactions to have looked at “military coup = bad, bad”. And, since they have looked the fools in the Russian Reset Button fiasco, the Cairo speech, the obeisance to King Abdulla, the IPod-to-the-Queen, the Churchill bust, etc. I can see that they might not have wanted to dial back from their first knee-jerk response of demanding Zelaya’s reinstatement.

I had thought that perhaps they would just let the situation simmer until the Honduran elections, at which time the administration could recognize a legitimate governance. Instead, they rescinded those visas three months later in a very public slap in the face, and hardening of position.

This is so totally nonsensical and so idiotic that I can’t help but wonder what else is going on here? What possible quid pro quo is the administration working that would justify such a complete refusal to recognize a legitimate succession? Who are they paying off, and for what? This is well beyond a public embrace of Chavez and Castro et al, and I don’t believe that that is what is driving this. Obama is a most cynical politician, willing to sacrifice anybody and anything for his own greater glory. Yet this whole affair is stupid beyond belief.

What am I missing?

If you pay someone to sit on his butt, you can’t be surprised when he does.

The Honduran Constitution supports the freedom

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 12:36PM EST (link)

of the Honduran people and therefore must be contravened. Obama is on the side of tyrrany. Period.


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Maybe it's a case of being able to blend in better.

janis (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 7:04PM EST (link)

After all, if there’s nothing but tyrants in charge as far as the eye can see, then what’s one more?

Perhaps.

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 7:33PM EST (link)

It appears that Russia and Iran have found common cause. Obama could be afraid that too many democracies in our hemisphere would be able to band together against him when he decides to stage his coup. Geez, I’m starting to sound like Art.


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Here's what I wonder about, redneck hippie:

janis (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 7:57PM EST (link)

In a political sense, which dictator on the world’s stage at present would come out of a steel cage death match with Obama? Because I don’t think all these thugs are just willing to step aside because Barry says so.

Barry may do it Chicago-style, but I’ve never heard of polonium poisoning as a method of control there.

Dunno. I see the thug huggery

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 8:49PM EST (link)

as a sort of good ole boys network, where being a strong man and tyrranizing a country is a badge of being in with the cool crowd. At least that is Barry’s mindset, because he never outgrew his college age fantasies. The real dictators are just snickering behind his back and biding their time until America is dismantled. Sort of like the Soviets waited on the east side of the Vistula River while the Nazis liquidated Warsaw’s defenders and afterwards demolished the capital city of Poland in 1944.


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Spot on! nt

Achance (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 8:53PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

we who learn from history..and the school of Chance. nt

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Article 272 of the Honduran Constitution...

nessa (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 1:53PM EST (link)

…Defines the role and responsibilities of the Honduran Military. “They are set to defend the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic, maintain peace, public order and the rule of the Constitution , the principles of free suffrage and alternation in the exercise of the Presidency of the Republic.”

The military didn’t overstep their bounds, although their involvement, from an American viewpoint, due to the Title 10 restrictions and our long historical dislike of “standing armies”, played into the BO admin’s cries of “Military Coup!” Personally I don’t think the exile was a good idea either, he should have been arrested and held for a trial. That may have removed some doubt, the BO admin, once again, would have found some way to spin it against the Constitution in favor of Zelaya’s, and their own, preference for tyranny.

The bottom line for todays progressive statists is the consolidation of power in their hands.

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

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The military was instructed by the Supreme Court

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 6:57PM EST (link)

to arrest Zelaya. And on top of that, the Consittution gives the responsibility to the military and not the police to enforce the “no second term” provision and the Constitution in general (as nessa pointed out).

The AG asked filed charges, the SC said OK arrest him and tasked the military with it, all according to the rule of law.

There is no case. The only very odd thing that happened was carting his sorry butt off to Costa Rico instead of throwing him in jail to face treason charges.

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Should have shot him

Tbone (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 7:54PM EST (link)

trying to escape.

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That's what I meant about

ss396 Sunday, September 20th at 8:29PM EST (link)

the military perhaps overstepping over its authority. Arrest / incarceration is one thing; running Zelaya off into exile would probably (I’m guessing) require a separate, specific judicial order.

Despite that, Obama’s reaction is so totally out of whack with what is known about this affair, even for a progressive Chavez-hugger such as he is. Obama isn’t stupid, so what is it that he is actually playing at? That’s what stumps me.

If you pay someone to sit on his butt, you can’t be surprised when he does.

Nobody is really saying anything about it...

nessa (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 9:09PM EST (link)

…he has so many things in the air right now, in this instance it’s working to his advantage. ObamaCare, Crap and Tax, Card Check and that’s just the legislation stuff, throw in Afghanistan, hosing the Poles and Eastern Europe, Iran, then toss in some charges of racism, lies about ACORN, Czars… The only lens we have to focus on these issues is FoxNews, the rest of the media ignore issues at best, or lie blatantly in most cases.

How would Watergate have turned out with out the media? Just like BO’s election is how. The voters were able to ignore his radical relationships with Wright, Ayers, ignore his own admissions of drug use from his books. Remember the fit “I never inhaled” got in 92? Where was that reaction this time? It was never an issue in the media=it doesn’t exist. At least to 53% of the voting age population.

We can’t cover every issue all the time, he’s gotten a pass on this one while people focus on others.

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He's gotten a pass from the MSM on all of 'em. nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 9:11PM EST (link)

Personally, I think it would be cool if Micheletti would

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 9:16PM EST (link)

simply slip into the country via the Mexican border and show up at the UN. Given that ICE won’t arrest illegal Mexicans why would they go after an illegal immigrant who happens to the rightful President of Honduras? Plus, those of us on the right would be OK with it because he’s not planning on staying and he doesn’t want one of those jobs that US citizens won’t do.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Over at Daily KOS

JoeG Sunday, September 20th at 1:36PM EST (link)

Honduras:

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If he was in the right, they’d be saying SOMETHING over there.

 

Ballots Flown in From Venezuela

revivefederalism (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 4:54PM EST (link)

No functional republic or leader intent on its preservation flies in ballots from a meddling foreign country run by a dictator.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623220955866301.html

yep no kidding -nt

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 6:57PM EST (link)

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Just reuters lying and calling it a coup...

revivefederalism (Diary) Monday, September 21st at 5:39PM EST (link)

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE58K3JY20090921

ya know, it’s really surprising that they haven’t tried to spin this more artfully. it’s pretty insulting that the obama administration hasn’t addressed either the shipment of ballots from chavez or the lucid article by miguel estrada.

lawyers often try to raise questions as to the facts. if we thought that there were legitimate issues of fact, then maybe we’d see some leeway, because honestly, how many of us thought about honduras in the last year? but when they ignore both the facts and the law it’s just plain insulting.

 
 
 

The worst is the refusal to accept the next election results

civil truth (Diary) Monday, September 21st at 2:01AM EST (link)

That essentially means that the U.S. intends to abrogate the Honduras Constitution by non-electoral means and to impose by outside force (right now economic and political, perhaps military in the near future) a new governance – since this means that NO legitimate government is possible under their Constitution in the eyes of the U.S. government.

Which then will mean that the U.S. solution will represent an U.S. imposed coup on Honduras, as such a new government will have no Constitutional warrant. But I guess that the U.S. adminstration doesn’t object to a “coup” so long as they’re the ones carrying it out.

So in Orwellian parlance, a Constitutionally-mandated deposition of a despotic president and a successor civilian government is labeled a coup, while a U.S. abrogation of the Constitution and imposing an new leader by force is protecting democracy?

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

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Yep, that is what they're trying to do

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, September 21st at 2:22AM EST (link)

It is deliberate, vile, and contemptible. In my opinion, it’s impeachable.

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HRC led the pro-Zelaya camp from Day 1

thevagabond Monday, September 21st at 8:56AM EST (link)

Remember that Hillary Clinton has been the lead blocker for Zelaya from Day 1 – she was the first to start screeching and demanding his immediate reinstatement. She is a far left statist socialist in the same camp as Reid, Pelosi, Kerry, Gore, Carter, and the Kennedy clan. Only Obama and his ACORN and Commie cronies stand farther left.

Don't forget Jimmy Carter as also further left to HRC

civil truth (Diary) Monday, September 21st at 10:27AM EST (link)

He’s the one who greased the treads for Chavez’s assumption of dictatorial power with the blood of the Venezuelan people.

Not to mention his vendetta against Israel and the Jewish people and now his efforts to silence domestic dissent against Obama by labeling any such criticism as racism.

And this was a man who took an oath to “defend the Constitution”. I’m starting to think we misheard him and that he really said “defang”.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

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To civil truth

realskinny (Diary) Monday, September 21st at 11:31AM EST (link)

Carter’s main legacy is the Islamic Republic of Iran. Chavez didn’t come on scene until ’90′s. Bush should have supported Coup (which really was a coup) against Chavez when Venezuelans tried to save themselves. Other than that, I am in full agreement with you on the execrable Carter.

I was referring here to Carter's post-Presidential actions

civil truth (Diary) Monday, September 21st at 12:07PM EST (link)

My Chavez refernence was to the Carter Center’s proclaiming the Chavez recall election in 2004 fair in the face of rampant voter fraud that single-handedly gave Chavez a green light to overthrow of democracy there. Not to mention Carter’s embrace of almost every other anti-Western politican that has come down the pike in say the last 20 years.

The guy really believes the American people are the locus of evil that need to be cleansed from the world stage in favor of totalitarian utopians.

Interesting reference to Bush’s refusal to support the coup against Chavez, in light of the actions against Honduras – in both cases, it would seem that the State Department was calling the shots, which in turn indicates career staff that are supportive of left-wing dictatorships. This would provide further support for the long-standing conservative criique that subversives have dominated the State Department for years.

But I wonder if the same staffers were behind both actions.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

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Hondurans feared violence

realskinny (Diary) Monday, September 21st at 11:09AM EST (link)

From Zelaya supporters both inside and outside the country to free him from jail. Exile was considered the best option to defuse the situation. They were surprised by the attack from the Marxist Obama Administration. They have shown a lot of courage. US citizens should give them all the support we can.

 

Keep watch to the south, to learn the desires here.

archer52 Monday, September 21st at 11:38AM EST (link)

Obama admires Chavez’s work. He thinks Chavez is a revolutionary while the rest of us think despot. Now the people of Venezuela are getting the big picture and realize they’ve been had. Honduras refused to be bowled over by Chavez and his buddy Zelaya. But, Obama and HRC seem to be seeing things differently, which is VERY enlightening.

I imagine if Obama was offered the chance to stay in power past eight years he would jump on it like a starving cat on a can of tuna!

Look to the south to learn the desires and urges of our President and stay vigilant. Obama’s next target, if his healthcare effort goes off the rails, is the Internet and the radio. Chavez is working to close them down, as are a number of his pupils in other countries.

Yes, the longer-term campaign is to remove dissent from the public arena

civil truth (Diary) Monday, September 21st at 12:14PM EST (link)

Next up is Fairness doctrines and or Localism to shut down radio and gain full control over network stations, includie direct or indirect subsidy (c.f. current efforts to extend non-profit status to newspapers, which givers government the power to regulate content by defining what is acceptible content to maintain non-profit, tax-exempt status).

Next will come control over the internet, most likely by creating libel/slander liablity to site operators for all content on websited couple with various hate speech and other content-restrictions on speech. Plus sending in agent provocateurs into public rallies to discredit the proponents, etc. – working in conjunction with local authorities and lapdog media.

Once you’ve crush opposition, then there’s no barrier to rewriting and/or ignoring the Constitution.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

College-like "Speech Codes" will be in vogue soon.

Achance (Diary) Monday, September 21st at 12:30PM EST (link)

There really is already very limited freedom in social speech. You have to very carefully choose where you gather so that the people are likely to be likeminded or you’re going to wind up in some unpleasant confrontation.

I long ago learned that the very last thing I wanted to do in the Alaska Airlines club room in SEA, SFO, or LAX was let anyone know I was from Alaska. You were going to get a tirade about wilderness, animals, evil oil, wicked Republicans, etc. and if you expressed any contrary opinion it got ugly fast. Now, you get a whole bunch of Sarah Palin thrown in as well.

You’re already getting speech suppression in all the bullying codes that the schools are enacting. I can’t wait for the new National curriculae to come out. I’m confident it will have speech codes and wouldn’t be surprised if it didn’t include having the brats rat off their troglodyte parents if they say anything unenlightened.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Obama for life?

thevagabond Monday, September 21st at 1:02PM EST (link)

This is why Obama needs to be defeated soon, either in election or if necessasry in military coup. How many expected Chavez to still be around 7 years later after the failed coup? Or, for that matter, Castro? The longer they hang around the more tyranny they can generate and the harder they are to depose. It is not at all out of the realm of possibility that Obama could still be running the U.S. in 2020 or 2030.