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	<title>Comments on: Democrats squandering opportunity for self-examination, Obama at another new low</title>
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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3893</link>
		<dc:creator>Finrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even when Bush was down around 35 percent total approval on Rasmussen, the strongly disapprove number didn&#039;t get above the mid-40s or so.  Today&#039;s update for Obama: total approval of 45, a new low, strong disapproval still at 41.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even when Bush was down around 35 percent total approval on Rasmussen, the strongly disapprove number didn&#8217;t get above the mid-40s or so.  Today&#8217;s update for Obama: total approval of 45, a new low, strong disapproval still at 41.</p>
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		<title>By: E Pluribus Unum</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3892</link>
		<dc:creator>E Pluribus Unum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The significant thing about the R+5 is the history.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot&quot;&gt;Check here&lt;/a&gt; for a more lengthy history.  The change has been rather dramatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The significant thing about the R+5 is the history.  <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot">Check here</a> for a more lengthy history.  The change has been rather dramatic.</p>
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		<title>By: Erick Brockway</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3891</link>
		<dc:creator>Erick Brockway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only that something stinks</description>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3890</link>
		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of the historical legacy of pro-Dem gerrymandering, a R+5% spread among likely voters would very likely lead to a GOP take-over of the House. 

What I&#039;m more troubled by are the actual numbers: 38%D to 43%R - that means a full 20% of *likely voters* won&#039;t commit to voting for either party yet (or plan to vote 3rd Party). 

*That* to me is troubling, though it may be that Rasmussen isn&#039;t &quot;pushing&quot; &#039;soft-leaners&#039; to one party or the other at this point, and so &#039;soft-leaners&#039; aren&#039;t showing up in the numbers - I imagine Rasmussen won&#039;t start &quot;pushing&quot; that way until Fall of 2010...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of the historical legacy of pro-Dem gerrymandering, a R+5% spread among likely voters would very likely lead to a GOP take-over of the House. </p>
<p>What I&#8217;m more troubled by are the actual numbers: 38%D to 43%R &#8211; that means a full 20% of *likely voters* won&#8217;t commit to voting for either party yet (or plan to vote 3rd Party). </p>
<p>*That* to me is troubling, though it may be that Rasmussen isn&#8217;t &#8220;pushing&#8221; &#8216;soft-leaners&#8217; to one party or the other at this point, and so &#8216;soft-leaners&#8217; aren&#8217;t showing up in the numbers &#8211; I imagine Rasmussen won&#8217;t start &#8220;pushing&#8221; that way until Fall of 2010&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: throwback59</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3889</link>
		<dc:creator>throwback59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the campaign when ever Conservatives warned America that Obama was a leftist, wanted to change the country radically, associated with America-haters, didn&#039;t even like the country, we were dismissed as extremists. BHO was a black JFK, a mainstream liberal, we were assured. Now the truth is coming out. Even some moderate democrats see this. 
It has only cost us 10 trillion dollars to say &quot;I told you so.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the campaign when ever Conservatives warned America that Obama was a leftist, wanted to change the country radically, associated with America-haters, didn&#8217;t even like the country, we were dismissed as extremists. BHO was a black JFK, a mainstream liberal, we were assured. Now the truth is coming out. Even some moderate democrats see this.<br />
It has only cost us 10 trillion dollars to say &#8220;I told you so.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: publiussteve</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3888</link>
		<dc:creator>publiussteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully voters are starting to wake up to Obama&#039;s hypocrisy, overspending, and callous disregard for the concerns of middle America during this &quot;worst economic crisis since the Great Depression&quot; as he likes to blather.

Just read the Wall Street Journal article (8/26) that stated Obama and his entourage &quot;took over the entire Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Moscow for three nights in June.&quot; I wonder if the Chosen One stayed in the best suite which costs about $16,000 per night.  I understand the need for security and all that, but geesshh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully voters are starting to wake up to Obama&#8217;s hypocrisy, overspending, and callous disregard for the concerns of middle America during this &#8220;worst economic crisis since the Great Depression&#8221; as he likes to blather.</p>
<p>Just read the Wall Street Journal article (8/26) that stated Obama and his entourage &#8220;took over the entire Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Moscow for three nights in June.&#8221; I wonder if the Chosen One stayed in the best suite which costs about $16,000 per night.  I understand the need for security and all that, but geesshh.</p>
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		<title>By: E Pluribus Unum</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3887</link>
		<dc:creator>E Pluribus Unum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is noteworthy.  Holy cow, that&#039;s quite a core of &#039;strong disapproval&#039; people.  IMO, when everybody gets back to Washington and the Dems renew their efforts to jam this through, these numbers will intersect soon enough.

If I was to guess, the Dems will try a few new focus-group-approved terms (they&#039;ve already substituted &quot;co-op&quot; for &quot;government plan&quot;), a little shake-and-bake, a little behind-scenes persuasion-by-tire-tool of Blue Dogs, and count on the press to spin it as popular support and get it past the House.

I also predict that Americans have already decided that &quot;no health care bill of any kind&quot; is the only solution that will not bring out wholesale revolt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is noteworthy.  Holy cow, that&#8217;s quite a core of &#8216;strong disapproval&#8217; people.  IMO, when everybody gets back to Washington and the Dems renew their efforts to jam this through, these numbers will intersect soon enough.</p>
<p>If I was to guess, the Dems will try a few new focus-group-approved terms (they&#8217;ve already substituted &#8220;co-op&#8221; for &#8220;government plan&#8221;), a little shake-and-bake, a little behind-scenes persuasion-by-tire-tool of Blue Dogs, and count on the press to spin it as popular support and get it past the House.</p>
<p>I also predict that Americans have already decided that &#8220;no health care bill of any kind&#8221; is the only solution that will not bring out wholesale revolt.</p>
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		<title>By: sickofitall</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3886</link>
		<dc:creator>sickofitall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our glorious leader is a murderer, a tyrant, a panderer, a lair, a racist, a Marxist and he hates our country.  Now we can add being a child manipulator and a hater of educators as well.  W never had a mandatory broadcast to school children about going to war or fixing dole (excuse me, I meant social &quot;security&quot;).  How pathetic!  I hope that the dagger to his heart that this historic failure represents will be the first shot in the war to dismantle the welfare/nanny state and put important decisions about healthcare, aging, retirement, education, etc etc, back in the hands of the people who should make them- honest hardworking God-fearing Americans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our glorious leader is a murderer, a tyrant, a panderer, a lair, a racist, a Marxist and he hates our country.  Now we can add being a child manipulator and a hater of educators as well.  W never had a mandatory broadcast to school children about going to war or fixing dole (excuse me, I meant social &#8220;security&#8221;).  How pathetic!  I hope that the dagger to his heart that this historic failure represents will be the first shot in the war to dismantle the welfare/nanny state and put important decisions about healthcare, aging, retirement, education, etc etc, back in the hands of the people who should make them- honest hardworking God-fearing Americans!</p>
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		<title>By: katesmith</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3885</link>
		<dc:creator>katesmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just heard this discussed on radio show, alleged reason is pep talk for kids to do well in school. Many parents won&#039;t know about this until after the fact, will not have the opportunity to view it along with their child. Will be mandatory viewing for all kids during taxpayer funded public school education time. More from his servicewire.org, project of Youth Service America. It is highly inappropriate for many reasons. If parents knew, perhaps they could stop it or keep their kids out of school. Children have been told to sell their parents on global warming. What will it be this time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just heard this discussed on radio show, alleged reason is pep talk for kids to do well in school. Many parents won&#8217;t know about this until after the fact, will not have the opportunity to view it along with their child. Will be mandatory viewing for all kids during taxpayer funded public school education time. More from his servicewire.org, project of Youth Service America. It is highly inappropriate for many reasons. If parents knew, perhaps they could stop it or keep their kids out of school. Children have been told to sell their parents on global warming. What will it be this time?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus_Traianus</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3884</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus_Traianus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the spread on voting for a Republican over a Democrat somewhat troubling. 

To me, it shows we have done a good job of saying what we are against and not enough time promoting ideas. 

Oh, and Barack called. You are off his circle of friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the spread on voting for a Republican over a Democrat somewhat troubling. </p>
<p>To me, it shows we have done a good job of saying what we are against and not enough time promoting ideas. </p>
<p>Oh, and Barack called. You are off his circle of friends.</p>
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		<title>By: skorrent1</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3883</link>
		<dc:creator>skorrent1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of the left is factored in, that&#039;s not a bad thing for the GOP.  A lack of enthusiasm by the Dem base could lead to good things in &#039;10 and &#039;12.  One might say that a lack of GOP base enthusiasm in &#039;06 and &#039;08 aided the Dems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the left is factored in, that&#8217;s not a bad thing for the GOP.  A lack of enthusiasm by the Dem base could lead to good things in &#8217;10 and &#8217;12.  One might say that a lack of GOP base enthusiasm in &#8217;06 and &#8217;08 aided the Dems.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayla</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3882</link>
		<dc:creator>Kayla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our guys need to take a few debate courses. They let the Dems monopolize the debate.</description>
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		<title>By: rbdwiggins</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3881</link>
		<dc:creator>rbdwiggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;52&quot; have been overwhelmed, and they&#039;ve been sidelined by the new &quot;53&quot; which continue to grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;52&#8243; have been overwhelmed, and they&#8217;ve been sidelined by the new &#8220;53&#8243; which continue to grow.</p>
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		<title>By: r0per</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3880</link>
		<dc:creator>r0per</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would somebody please get Mike Pence off of television. He has to be the worst spokesman for opponents of ObamaCare I have seen so far. I just watched an interview in which he let Debbie Wasserman-Schultz walk all over him and use up about 3/4 of the interview. If we win any seats back in 2010 it will be a miracle and only because the Dems are more adept at shooting themselves in the foot than we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would somebody please get Mike Pence off of television. He has to be the worst spokesman for opponents of ObamaCare I have seen so far. I just watched an interview in which he let Debbie Wasserman-Schultz walk all over him and use up about 3/4 of the interview. If we win any seats back in 2010 it will be a miracle and only because the Dems are more adept at shooting themselves in the foot than we are.</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/08/31/democrats-squandering-opportunity/#comment-3879</link>
		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that at least some of the &quot;53% disapproval&quot; (even some of the &quot;41% strongly disapprove&quot;) numbers are from embittered Lefties who are mad that Obama hasn&#039;t thrown all Republicans, conservatives, Jews and observant Christians into the ovens yet. 

That&#039;s why a perhaps more useful metric is the &quot;Generic Congressional Ballot&quot; number - while there may be embittered Lefties who disapprove of Obama, they definitely are NOT going to show up as prospective GOP voters!  

Therefore, the R+5% numbers on the Generic Ballot question is a *real* effect, and indicates the unpopularity of Obama and the Dems&#039; programs and policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that at least some of the &#8220;53% disapproval&#8221; (even some of the &#8220;41% strongly disapprove&#8221;) numbers are from embittered Lefties who are mad that Obama hasn&#8217;t thrown all Republicans, conservatives, Jews and observant Christians into the ovens yet. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why a perhaps more useful metric is the &#8220;Generic Congressional Ballot&#8221; number &#8211; while there may be embittered Lefties who disapprove of Obama, they definitely are NOT going to show up as prospective GOP voters!  </p>
<p>Therefore, the R+5% numbers on the Generic Ballot question is a *real* effect, and indicates the unpopularity of Obama and the Dems&#8217; programs and policies.</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vetos work best to nuke proactive spending and new program creation. 

But it&#039;s very difficult to use it to *force* spending. 

I think a GOP House would have the upper hand in defunding something like this, esp. being a new and not fully-implemented program, provided they hold the line and don&#039;t fold their cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vetos work best to nuke proactive spending and new program creation. </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s very difficult to use it to *force* spending. </p>
<p>I think a GOP House would have the upper hand in defunding something like this, esp. being a new and not fully-implemented program, provided they hold the line and don&#8217;t fold their cards.</p>
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		<title>By: suzieQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>suzieQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we need the data on exactly why his numbers are falling so much.  I know some of it is because of many on the left who feel he is just like Bush.  I talk to people every day who are upset because he hasn&#039;t pulled out of Iraq yet, or hasn&#039;t closed Gitmo yet, or hasn&#039;t given us socialized medicine yet.  While these people may add to Nobama&#039;s disapproval numbers now, they will not vote republican in 2012.

We need to make sure that when the opportunity arises, we have a true small government, less spending, real conservative to challenge him when that time comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we need the data on exactly why his numbers are falling so much.  I know some of it is because of many on the left who feel he is just like Bush.  I talk to people every day who are upset because he hasn&#8217;t pulled out of Iraq yet, or hasn&#8217;t closed Gitmo yet, or hasn&#8217;t given us socialized medicine yet.  While these people may add to Nobama&#8217;s disapproval numbers now, they will not vote republican in 2012.</p>
<p>We need to make sure that when the opportunity arises, we have a true small government, less spending, real conservative to challenge him when that time comes.</p>
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		<title>By: texas214</title>
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		<dc:creator>texas214</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Clinton understood that when HillaryCare, his version of Cap and Tax, and other liberal proposals failed he needed to move to the center to save his presidency. Obama has shown no interest in moving to the center and the American public is starting to see the results of the &#039;08 election in a new light.

My belief is that it&#039;s not in Obama&#039;s DNA to move to the center, nor would it be believable at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Clinton understood that when HillaryCare, his version of Cap and Tax, and other liberal proposals failed he needed to move to the center to save his presidency. Obama has shown no interest in moving to the center and the American public is starting to see the results of the &#8217;08 election in a new light.</p>
<p>My belief is that it&#8217;s not in Obama&#8217;s DNA to move to the center, nor would it be believable at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Susannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job EPU!!  :-)

Oh, and I loved the picture.</description>
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<p>Oh, and I loved the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the day when Obama&#039;s total approval is less than or equal to his strongly disapprove numbers in Rasmussen.  Then we&#039;ll know the tide has seriously turned against him.  Considering that he&#039;s at 46 approval 41 strong disapproval as of today, that day might be coming sooner than we think-- my guess is October 20.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the day when Obama&#8217;s total approval is less than or equal to his strongly disapprove numbers in Rasmussen.  Then we&#8217;ll know the tide has seriously turned against him.  Considering that he&#8217;s at 46 approval 41 strong disapproval as of today, that day might be coming sooner than we think&#8211; my guess is October 20.</p>
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