Everybody is aware of political polls. Most conservatives view most polls as suspect at best, a propaganda tool of the American left. Demonstrating the foundation of that suspicion is not required to make my point, so I won’t bother, but a typical conservative will dismiss out of hand any poll not from Zogby or Rasmussen.
While both the majority media and the political left have their purposes for fudging their public polls to accomplish political ends, it’s also true that the political left wants to know the true numbers. Even crooked businesses will show one set of books to the IRS, yet keep another set that shows the true state of the business. They are, after all, in the business of making a profit.
So I ask you this: do you really think that if the Democrats really believed Obama’s approval-disapproval rating was 58-30 (CBS News/NYT, yesterday), and the Democrats led 50-44 (Gallup, 2 weeks ago) in a generic congressional ballot, the House Blue Dogs would have given the finger this week to Pelosi, Emanuel, and Obama, and the leadership would have allowed such impudence?
Nah, me neither.
But maybe they believe Obama is actually down to 48-51, and the Democrats trail 39-42. like Rasmussen says. I submit to you that both the Obama administration and the Democrats on Capitol Hill are very, very interested in the Rasmussen polls, particularly the presidential tracking poll and the generic congressional ballot.
And they are alarmed.
Shall we look at some numbers?
Notes:
- all polling data has been garnered from two tracking polls on RealClearPolitics.com, a site noted for neutrality and diligent attention to research and detail: The President Job Approval and the Generic Congressional Vote
- For the purposes of the presidential poll comparisons I have used Rasmussen on one hand, and on the other hand the average of these 4: Gallup, ABC News/Washington Post, Pew Research, and CBS News/New York Times from comparable time frames. For the purposes of the congressional generic ballot, I have used Rasmussen, Gallup, and Quinnipiac.
- All the numbers come from the RCP links above. Polling dates don’t match each other exactly, and some outfits poll more often than others. I have matched things up as best I could.
- We address only the House. I hate the Senate, and it is therefore irrelevant
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Feb 15, Porkulus is passed
The bill passed 244-188, with no Republicans and 11 Democrats crossing over. The polls at that time:
Presidential approval-disapproval:
Rasmussen: 60-39
Others: 65-21
congressional generic ballot, Democrat-Republican:
Rasmussen: 41-37
Gallup: 53-41
Obama at this time was clearly wildly popular. The Republicans stood firm, but only 10 Democrats crossed over. Looking back, it’s clear that the Republicans finally at last found their souls, and the Democrats’ raw greed became evident. Some even said that this was the Democrat’s Pyrrhic Victory – won decisively, but costing so much political capital it would prove their undoing. Thank you, that was me.
April 15
Presidential approval-disapproval:
Rasmussen: 58-41
Others: 64-27
congressional generic ballot, Democrat-Republican:
Rasmussen: 38-41
Quinnipiac: 41-34
As time has gone by, people actually get to read Porkulus. While the typical polls show both Obama and the Congressional Democrats bleeding very little support, Rasmussen’s numbers trickle slightly downward and begin to separate noticeably from the others. Meanwhile, the media coverage is glowing and Obama’s agenda is seemingly unstoppable.
June 26, Cap and Trade passes the House
The bill passed 219-212, with 8 Republicans and 44 Democrats crossing over. The polls:
Presidential approval-disapproval:
Rasmussen: 53-46
Others: 61-30
congressional generic ballot, Democrat-Republican:
Rasmussen: 41-39
Quinnipiac: 42-34
This bill squeaked by the House amid highly contentious bipartisan opposition. The truth is, a whole bunch of Democrats needed cover, and leadership allowed as many as possible to cross over and still get it passed. Clearly more would have liked to vote no.
Meanwhile, most polls show Obama barely inching downward from his opening 65-21. But Rasmussen shows support is slipping dangerously. Considering the close vote, and the fact that the Senate has buried this and won’t even consider it before Sept 28, which polls do you think the Democrats are watching?
July 29, Nationalized Health Care is on life support
The polls:
Presidential approval-disapproval:
Rasmussen: 48-51
Others: 56-35
congressional generic ballot, Democrat-Republican:
Rasmussen: 39-42
Gallup: 50-44
While most polls show Obama with commanding if slipping 56-35 approval numbers, he is now underwater at Rasmussen, 48-51, where he’s been for a week. His June 22 presser was a complete flop, remembered only for raising the Gates-Cambridge flap to week-long headlines. Obama’s earlier order to have a bill on his desk before the August recess has long since been a joke. Numerous directives from Obama, Pelosi, Rahm Emanuel, and Steny Hoyer have been laughed off by the Blue Dogs in the House.
Everybody now heads for the August recess, where multitudes of Americans are waiting to express their opposition, and their general displeasure with the Democrats’ failure to improve the economy while proposing costly new measures. The majority media trundle merrily along as if mere road bumps stand between the Democrats and their agenda. But the Democrats have read the poll numbers.
The future: Obama agenda is DOA
Cap and Trade is DOA. Nationalized Health Care is DOA. Porkulus 2 won’t even make it to the floor of the House. DOA.
Obama’s agenda is sinking like the Graf Spee — not blown apart at the hands of the powerless Republicans in Congress, but scuttled by his own party which recognizes it is doomed. They dearly want all their leftist goals, including IMHO the Blue Dogs. Truthfully, they’ll try to sneak much of it into law by attaching amendments to Defense authorization bills and the like, so it is up to us to keep a sharp eye out for that sort of thing.
But the full frontal assault is done. And it had alot more to do with 48-51 than it did with 56-35.
So, you watch Rasmussen and Zogby, and ignore the rest. That’s what the bad guys are doing.
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Your 2nd-to-last paragraph is what we should be concerned about
Bill S (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 6:18PM EST (link)“Full-frontal assaults” are easy to spot and combat, given appropriate firepower. But the guerilla assaults that come from the woods along the flanks, where we may be weak and unprotected, are the ones we should fear. These are the assaults where the Left uses tactics such as attaching their agenda to other key items or camouflaging their ideological bills under the guise of things such as “fiscal stimulus”.
They are ideologues. They will not give up because of these setbacks. Barry, Nan and Harry will continue to push their agenda, but it will undoubtedly be cloaked and hidden in other forms.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
In addition to your concerns, bs,
Xasteius (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 7:53PM EST (link)we have those compromising fools on our side – the Grahams, McCains, Alexanders, etc. – who insist on giving cover to the loony agenda in the name of bipartisanship.
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
If I might add Rasmussen was VERY accurate
clement Thursday, July 30th at 6:25PM EST (link)Last election.
They predicted an Obama win 52-46% with 1% undecided
The final result? 53-46%
That is about as close to getting the bullseye as you are going to get.
Rasmussen also nailed...
swami7774 (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 9:16PM EST (link)…the ’04 election right on the money.
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism.
EPU, this is excellent work
peg_c (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 6:35PM EST (link)as everything from you is.
Rasmussen has greatly cheered our whole family the past few days/weeks.
bs is absolutely right. We need a guerilla-assault detector going full-blast 24/7. Nothing is more dangerous that lefties rejected and circling the drain. I would expect all manner of underhanded, illegal and immoral attempts to ram their Marxist, anti-American agenda through.
Government cannot be the solution when government is the problem.
Good post, one major flaw
mbauer (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 6:51PM EST (link)Rasmussen makes liberals heads explode. It’s so fun to try to see them explain away their bias. They have proven to be hands down, the best.
Zogby on the other hand, may randomly be different from lefty influenced controls, but they are a terrible pollster, with no consistency.
Two quick notes on Rasmussen everyone should know~
1) Rasmussen differs from other pollsters partially because they weight approval ratings to only consider likely voters. Most don’t do that for approval ratings
2) They were within 2 points of the final results of the presidential elections like 46 of the last 50 days before the election.
i'm glad to hear that Rassmussen is accurate.
GCBWI (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 1:15PM EST (link)i’d poked about a bit on their site, and couldn’t find margin of error information. Can anyone point me at the proper page?
Basic info is on each page
tanstaafl1019 Friday, July 31st at 3:52PM EST (link)Each of their different poll results page has basic info at the bottom, including the dates of the polling and accuracy data (generally 95 percent accuracy with a margin of +/- 3 percent).
More detailed analysis is available here:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/about_us/methodology
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thanks. NT
GCBWI (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 6:05PM EST (link)Wellllll.....mbauer
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 8:58PM EST (link)Yes and no. I’d say I have a considerably higher opinion of Zobgy than you do. Zogby is erratic, I’ll give you that. But it is nevertheless a fact that conservatives will give it credence that they will not give ABC/WaPo, Quinnipiac, and other obvious lefty tools. And that was the context that I mostly put them in.
And actually, I should have pointed this tidbit out in the diary but did not: it’s not that the lefties follow and trust Rasmussen per se. it’s that their own internal polling, which is their true set of honest books, tracks very nearly with Rasmussen, because both parties engage internal polling in which they are very, very interested in accurate data, not stylized newspaper headline polling.
Rasmussen is, in effect, the outside world’s view on the inside polling.
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Sometimes Zogby is...
swami7774 (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 9:18PM EST (link)…interested in generating headlines rather than accuracy. Remember his “flash poll” the weekend before the ’08 elex that showed McCain leaping into a tie?
The next day Zogby’s results were completely different.
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism.
It's one thing to be predictably wrong
mbauer (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 9:38AM EST (link)it’s another thing to have a standard deviation that leaves your data uninterpretable.
A poll with zogby’s name on it can often be a self selected survey- meaning people go chose to vote in the survey. i.e. the Ron Paul effect
this is exactly right EPU and well put - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 9:59AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Impact
ModernAgeFan (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 11:27PM EST (link)I wonder when the MSM stories will start to reflect the new reality of Obama’s sinking popularity, oh wait that’s right, Never!
me thinks
seesalrun (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 11:34PM EST (link)the admin underestimated the power of the right on the internet.
What is more more powerful than idol worship?
Belief in God and Country.
I smell doom and see you in Atlanta tomorrow.
Good ammo for all.
This is dead on
marysue Friday, July 31st at 12:16AM EST (link)I linked a segment of Hardball on my blog yesterday. In that clip, Matthews, Charlie Cook and Chuck Todd were reviewing the latest WaPo/NBC poll numbers which were definitely showing a decline but nothing like what Rasmussen and Zogby show. No one is more in the tank than Chris Matthews, I think that is a safe statement anyway. Their body language and tone is like they are at a morgue, way out of proportion to a respectable 53 approval that the poll supposedly showed.
You can bet the ranch they know the real numbers. Charlie Cook also makes a statement in that clip about how Obama has lost credibility with Independents, that’s a heavy statement. We my know that but these guys are too stunned to even spin in this. Also Cook says toward the end that Obama should have tried harder to come up with a bipartisan health care plan. There is no way that Matthews, like him or not, doesn’t know the flaws in that WaPo poll. I watched him for years before he went on his Obama love fest.
One last point, Rasmussen is what should be followed regardless of Zogby’s credibility. The daily tracking is going to be the most acccurate reflection of the trend give or take a minor blip, and the trend is what they are watching.
Chris had a revealing moment months ago bemoaning the state of his own
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 12:13PM EST (link)401k
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
The reason for Rasmussen and Zogby's accuracy
texas214 (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 10:54AM EST (link)They have the best internals, the others greatly skew their polls to a heavy Democratic majority that just doesn’t exist.
The Dem’s now this.