Filling Up the Big Tent


There's plenty of room, and these days it ain't hard to get a good seat....

OK, the Democrats have convinced me. It’s time to hold hands across the aisle, sing kum-bah-yah and get down to the business of operating in sweet harmony. That’s right. And I am dead serious.

You know why we should reach across the aisle and hold hands?


Because there are a BUNCH of people on the OTHER side of the aisle, that OUGHT to be on our side. We should reach over there, smile, take their hands, and welcome them to their new home over to the right side – the right side, in every conceivable way.

There is no need – in fact it is unhelpful – to buy people off, bribe them with goodies, or go groveling to them begging for their support. Our government reaches its best, and most people are served best, when guided by conservative principles. We’ve done a poor job of teaching Americans the right way, and the Founding Fathers’ vision has been all but forgotten in the public arena. I tell you what, though. I don’t blame conservatives, and you better not either, unless you want one extremely nasty cat-fight with me. If you are thinking it, save it for another thread. I’m here all the time.

I believe there is room under the Big Tent™ for probably 80% of Americans, without giving up a single sliver of core conservative principles. We’ve talked alot about educating, reaching out, and getting on message. All good. We have to do that. We also have to crush the majority media and elite academia to pull this off. But I want to spend this thread on constituencies that should and in many cases can be Republicans. Some of them are already. So, here are groups that I say have EVERY good reason to be Republicans, or at least vote straight-ticket Republican every time, which I can live with.

This is just a primer, and the explanations are really basic. Probably each of these constituencies could fill its own diary. I invite you to write your own diary on any of these that move you. No doubt there are other constituencies I have not thought of too. Again, come on in, the diary-writing water is fine……

  • Small business owners : The Democrats raise taxes, raise minimum wage, and saddle you with ridiculous regulatory burdens — all of which simply take money out of your pocket, pure and simple. Money that you raised, risked, and worked hard for. How much did you spend last year obeying a stack of stupid and counterproductive regulations. We do the opposite. We want simple, non-intrusive government, and we want you to be rewarded for your hard work and risks.
  • Small business employees : see above, and note that the harder it is for your employer to make a profit, the less money you will make, and the less likely they can afford you at all. Which party is helping your pocketbook, do you think?
  • Investors : Anybody with 401K or IRA, which is most Americans. Thanks to the Democrats, America has some of the highest corporate taxes and capital gains taxes anywhere. Money out of your pocket, and given to a government that spends your money outlandishly. Your mutual funds don’t break down the details for you, but it comes straight off of your profit. Do you think Exxon-Mobil should be taxed more for their profits? When they made $12 billion profit in 2008, 2nd qtr, (of which 10.1 B went to shareholders), they paid $32 billion in taxes. If you have a 401k, you probably own shares of Exxon-Mobil through one of the mutual funds. And the government took a boatload of your money, while the Democrats were screaming bloody murder about that greedy Exxon-Mobil (which YOU own shares in).
  • Libertarians : It’s a slightly uncomfortable alliance, and you may by all means vote your own party. But when the Democrats reign, as they now do, EVERYTHING you hold dear is dragged through the mud, especially your freedoms. Hang with us. We really are not trying to set up a theocracy.
  • Christians : Conservatives value unborn children. Conservatives value freedom to worship. Conservatives oppose the imposition of homosexual “marriage” on an unwilling public. The left, very aggressively, pushes the demolition of the family, the suppression of religious expression, and infanticide. If you are a Christian and vote Democrat, you are voting for the party that seeks to destroy everything you hold sacred. So stop it, already.
  • American Blacks : first, see “Christians”. Democrat programs in the last 40 years have destroyed the entire family infrastructure and led to rampant single-parent homes, which has led to a persistent underclass, high crime, extremely high black-on-black crime, and that gang thing. Conservatives stand for what most of you do – family values, freedom, and self-reliance. Democrats promise you the moon, and deliver you dependency on the government, encouragement of abortion, and hatred of Republicans. We promise you that conservatism is ALREADY compassionate. You think Obama’s your guy? His policies will diminish, not increase, your fortunes and your opportunities.
  • American Latinos : first, see “Christians”. The Latino community is highly religious, highly family-oriented. Conservatives strongly promote family values, and in addition would have ALL of you assimilate with the English-speaking culture of the United States, not live sequestered as second-class people limited in mobility and economic opportunity. By the way, my name, E Pluribus Unum, stands for exactly that. It means out of many, one.
  • Blue-collar union employees : Where would I even start? Huge chunks of your earned wages are confiscated from you in the form of union dues and used for political purposes. I could stop there and you would already have a great reason to vote Republican. But add to it this: they are using your hard-earned money to advocate things you yourself find offensive. Blue collar people, as a demographic, oppose abortion, love family values, and value freedom, not dependency. Republicans agree with you on all of those things.
  • Teacher union employees : Like the above, your money is being confiscated to fuel an aggressive anti-family, anti-freedom, and frankly anti-education movement. The teacher unions are busy turning your schools into leftist indoctrination camps. If you oppose that, vote Republican. And maybe give some thought to ousting your leadership, or better – disbanding the teacher unions, since they will ever and always evolve into what they are right now, if left unguarded.
  • Corporate employees : I mentioned above the Democrat-imposed corporate taxes higher here than almost anywhere else. Your employer pays you less , and can employ fewer of you because of those taxes. Conservatives will lower taxes, making your employer that much more competitive and profitable, and able to provide you a stabler and higher-paying job..
  • Residents of right-to-work states : Once a state government forces businesses to accept union-friendly rules, unemployment goes up. Think of unions as having the same effect on businesses and the economy as taxes. For a perfect example, see Michigan’s economy, tax rates, and unemployment rates. See which party is in charge of that state, from top to bottom. [hint - it's the Democrats]
  • Age 45-60 people : You’ve already had thousands and thousands of dollars your whole adult life confiscated from you in the greatest Ponzi scheme ever conceived. You are in danger of not receiving anything from it. That’s not alarmism. Ponzi schemes must crash. The Democrats suggest raising the FICA tax even more to sustain it longer, with no end in sight. What began at 1% is now something like 14%. Republicans propose gently transitioning the whole program to you (aka, ‘privatizing’), just like your 401K. Which does not expire when you die, but goes to your children. This is simple. Vote with us.
  • Parents of school-age children : Ask yourself this. While your children are learning all about self-esteem, homosexual “marriage”, multi-culturalism, and how evil white males are, do they know, in terms of reading, math, and American history, what you knew at their age? Easy answer. No. Wanna know why? Read above, the ‘Teacher union employees’. Public schools have become the Democrat Party’s playground for leftist indoctrination and social engineering. Conservatives seek desperately to change that and restore schools to serious and practical educational golas.
  • Anyone soon to inherit or be inherited from: The inheritance tax (aka ‘death tax‘) is solely a Democrat cash cow. You were already taxed as you earned this money the first time, and the Democrats want another cut of your money. Very commonly a business is inherited by the son or daughter, who then has to sell the business in order to pay a 45% death tax. Good times, eh?

There are probably plenty of other constituencies that should be voting Republican. These are what I thought of first. And please take notice, this is vital — we don’t have to pander, sell out, or compromise our principles to buy off all these people. We conservatives already provide a platform that gives them ALL the best shot at life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Bi-partisanship is for weaklings who do not have the courage of their convictions, if they have convictions at all. We just have to reach these people, show them, and teach them, while shouting down and wrecking the evil major media.


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EPU: Instead of just Christians, why not people of faith as a whole?

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 11:26AM EST (link)

And yes, this includes Muslims.

If you think that its just that Christians are aghast at what passes for education these days – with more resources being put into teaching children about how to put condoms on phallic objects and the ins and outs of anal/oral sex, than Math – you couldn’t be more wrong.

Looking forward to more on this from you.

Indeed. Muslims share the monotheist tradition.

streetwise (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 11:59AM EST (link)

Confucians recoil against the breakdown of families, Buddhists are affronted by the materialism and hubris of our secular culture, etc.

 

You are absolutely right, MK

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 12:13PM EST (link)

This was not a comprehensive work. Do take note that I am soliciting other opinions and ideas. I readily acknowledge that any faith group that is invested in sexual morality and the value of human life should find the Democratic Party revolting and grossly immoral, and should take refuge in the Republican Party – including American Muslims.

I seriously considered a separate entry for Jews – since Jews are a notably Dem-voting group who will, if unchecked, vote themselves out of existence, not to mention the whole ‘moral issues’ thing that they should find repugnant.

Muslims and the Republican Party, now that’s a hot potato. I’ll just be straight here – I’m going to tap-dance around that one. To address that one I have to make assumptions that I don’t know to be true, and that one is better left to you, and I trust your insight and wisdom on the matter.

Because (OK, so much for tap dancing) to make a proposal here, I have to assume that the dominant Muslim community in America either is or is not connected and in league with the Middle Eastern Muslim community. The ME community that I consider radically anti-freedom, that wants to eradicate the Jews and Israel, to impose sharia law as a legal system, that cheers in the streets when the WTC is knocked down, and is busy invading and subjugating Europe by a fifth column immigration policy.

I don’ t know the answer. I personally have a fear that the while the great majority of Muslims in America desire and welcome our freedoms, there is also a substantial and influential sub-community that wants to take us down from the inside. That’s not a truly informed opinion, Martin, I’m just telling you that I — as a person — don’t trust American Muslims. I am alarmed that our government treats CAIR as a legitimate representative of American Muslims, and then proceeds to cater to CAIR. I’d like some of the more legitimate Muslim groups get a seat at the table.

Do they or do they not understand and appreciate what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan? The beautiful irony is that in large part the Iraqi Muslims certainly do. I think the Lebanese do. Past that, I’m not very sure.

It’s too complicated for me, with too many potholes, and I know that I speak in ignorance. But you wanted to hear my thoughts on it. So as they say in NFL coverage, “back to you, Martin”.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 

And for goodness sakes, the Jews

Praying (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 3:31PM EST (link)

There are enough haters of Israel in the world at large without getting into how the left in this country hates Israel. Can Muslims and Jews exist under the same tent? I don’t know. I hope so.

Another thought on this – see also GOP, The Way by Critical_Thinker (member diaries) – what is it that ultimately unites all these groups? FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE VALUES. If the GOP can preach that ONE message, and not just talk the talk but walk the walk, then we ought to be appealing to the masses of America out there – especially in light of the proposed socialistic “Fiscal Stimulus Package”!

No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming

 
 

Great diary as always EPU. But we need to talk about HOW

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 11:28AM EST (link)

to reach across the aisle. Specific actions we can take to convince people to come back home.

One thing I can think of is to be a little nicer to those who hold wrong ideas. We have to correct the false information without telling them that they are stupid. I’m as guilty as any of being a little harsh on the people who come here thinking they’re going to teach us a better way, but we truely need to be kindler, gentler conservatives.

Oh.. not “campasionate conservatives”, but people who hold conservative ideals and are willing to share them. To gently correct missinformation from the left, carefully explaining where their idealogy is false, and sticking to our own principals.

Name calling is something the left engages in. Not us.

Demonization is something the left engages in. Not us.

Celebrating the death or ill fortune of polititions is something the looney left engages in. Not us.

Identitiy politics is something the Democratic party engages in. Not us.

And probably a thousand other things that the left does that polite members of society won’t accept.

If we live and behave as examples of good conservatives, we will win over some of those who have believed the propaganda of the other side. People aren’t stupid. They can be fooled by the press and by the left and by many other sources for a while, but if their own experience shows them a different truth than they hear from other sources, maybe they’ll start believing us instead.

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Rec'd, I agree Brian with

MGamo (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 11:43AM EST (link)

“be a little nicer to those who hold wrong ideas. We have to correct the false information without telling them that they are stupid.”

I was very guilty of that because I am always defending myself against liberal parents, living in Boston and attending a grad school in Boston, which is probably in the top 5 lib schools of the country and The One spoke there a couple years ago. Instead of blowing a gasket at liberals, I found a couple ways to alleviate it: being a conservative opinion writer for the school’s newspaper, start blogging at RS or anywhere, and this semester starting a conservative club. It’s eased my anger and I’ve been able to politely argue with liberals with a clearer mind that makes much more sense than them.

I believe in EPU’s explanations for reaching out to others, we have our principles, we explain how our policies appeal to each group without pitting identity or class politics against each other, and we extend a hand. If they don’t accept then step aside or be prepared for us ’cause we’re coming.

“A man who never quits is never defeated.” – Fred D. Thompson

 

I would offer Patrick Swayze's line from "Roadhouse"

Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 11:52AM EST (link)

“Be nice, until it is time not to be nice.”

It depends on what battle you are fighting.

For instance, if you see someone with a car full of George Bush Sucks type bumper stickers, I would say that a not-so-nice confrontation is in order. The intent is not to convert, but to let them know in no uncertain terms that the display is unacceptable. Period.

If, on the other hand, you run across someone less deranged, and conversion is your goal, then being able to discuss issues with a clear head is the ticket.

I disagree with the demonization part. If someone lives by that sword they should die by that sword, particularly elected officials and MSM types. I would go so far as to say hounding them out of their office or position is not only acceptable, but required. We’ll just call that the “waterboarding” strategy – used seldom but when necessary.

“Be nice, until it is time not to be nice.”

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 12:00PM EST (link)

I like that. And you’re right, there are times when you just have to punch the hippies.

I don’t agree with you about demonization. But I didn’t really define that well. It’s the act of portraying a person as evil incarnate. For example the left’s portrayal of Dick Cheney, Carl Rove or (my favorite) AE’s boss Rummy. They made up stories about the people and portrayed them as real. Another example I can think of is the lefty that bragged about lighting McCain’s pictures from below so he would appear more demonic in a magazine layout. We don’t behave that way. If some public figure is spouting falsehoods or proposing dumb solutions to problems, we need to call them out on it. We don’t need to portray them as the devil in order to do it.

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I agree

Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 12:05PM EST (link)

“If some public figure is spouting falsehoods or proposing dumb solutions to problems, we need to call them out on it. We don’t need to portray them as the devil in order to do it.”

And that is the difference. Thanks for more clearly defining this for us.

 

My fault, I should of specified

MGamo (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 12:28PM EST (link)

If I see some moron spouting hateful nonsense, I’ll tell them to shut the h*ll up, but towards people who can think rationally, (although there may not be many) I’ll act civil.

“A man who never quits is never defeated.” – Fred D. Thompson

 
 
 
 

Can I add cat owners, to correct RS canine bias?

streetwise (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 11:53AM EST (link)

No. I draw the line at accepting cats.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 12:02PM EST (link)

8*)

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Since this was an EPU diary, cat support was implicit

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 12:20PM EST (link)

So saith Pete

Prince of Darkness

Pete

I.
Will.
Pwn.
You.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

Cats better be in or I coming to get you all :-0

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 4:05AM EST (link)

I have two grandkitties and I love em and they are CONSERVATIVES! I want my hamsters included to you :-)

 
 
 

As far as I'm concerned you can.

Steph C (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 12:23PM EST (link)

How about fish along with the cats… and birds… we’re an equal opportunity household here… and they’re all spoiled. Have you ever seen fish act up if you don’t feed them at exactly the same time every day? One picks up tank gravel and pops the glass to get my attention. And the cat, to put it politely, has issues. Not to meniton the dog who…

Well, I think that’s enough of that.

Brian Hibbert.
There was a time when I tried to explain my positions and all I got for the trouble was being called names. Now, I just tell them what I used to tell my kids hellbent on doing something I knew would end badly: If you want to make adult decisions suffer the adult consequences. Don’t expect me to take the responsibility for or condone your foolishness.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics

Yes, I've been there.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 12:36PM EST (link)

I’ve had lefties accuse me of being an incetous child molester because I told them that I though parents should have the same rights and responsibilities for making medical decisions regarding a 12 YO’s abortion as they have for deciding if the child gets a tylenol.

But just because a few can’t reason doesn’t mean that others aren’t watching and can learn.

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To hell with that

Clyde (Diary) Saturday, January 24th at 9:26PM EST (link)

I lift my leg at cats. Then I tear them to little bitty pieces. No way they come into MY tent.

I’m sure I have buy-in from Franz on this one.

Clyde, the Conservative Terrier
 
 

Sort of Agree

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 12:02PM EST (link)

I like the optimism, but there are many other factors that would pull these groups towards the Democrats. Black will vote Democrat for a generation now. They are a lost cause polticallly. Soon Republicans wll attack Obama and Black Americans wil take it personally.

Teachers unions aren’t voting Republicans any time soon. I loathe unions, but they bring the butter for their people. Most teachers are liberal. They like the fact that unions push a Leftist cultural agenda and the unions deliver fat contracts from cash strapped towns and cities.

I think the key is letting Obama make his decisions and choose the tent for us. We cant be so naive to think we will win every block, but neither will Obama hold every block.

Look for natural rifts. Amnesty is one. There is a grwoing rfit between latinos and cultural conservative union voters on this. I think Obama pushes amnesty. This may open the conservative Democrat union vote in places like Michigan.

Gays in the military, hate crimes egislation is another. The military and the Southern whites vote Republican, but this is dangerous turf for the Jim Webb Democrats. We can grow our margins in NC and VA again and take them back in 2010 and 2012.

Let Obama actually make hard choices. Sooner or later he is going to piss some people off. He is already alienating those who thought they could trust him on security. Gitmo, black sites, and interrogation methods on day two.

Our big tent will grow with those who become disillusioned by the silver tongued demogogue.

For each constituency

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 12:27PM EST (link)

There are pros and cons in this argument. I have (of course) presented only the pros. I have ALSO presented just a postage-stamp sized piece of the argument. Every single item here could be fleshed out into an essay that I believe would be TREMENDOUSLY compelling.

And I’ll be damned if I’ll just write off blacks for a generation. No way. And teacher unions – note that I point out the “members”. I am not interested in playing ball with the unions themselves. But any teacher that goes along with the union – in violation of their own morals and in contributing to the economic and moral downfall of America – is either uninformed, an idiot or a cretin. We should go after them on the assumption that they can be educated.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

Abortion is the way we can peel off black Americans

Beaglescout (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 3:34PM EST (link)

Once they realize that Abortion is actually a genocide aimed at black neighborhoods they will be open to Republican evangelizing. But if the Reps kick the socons out of the party that will never be a choice.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton

yep. abortion, school choice, pro-family policies,

icbm (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 3:37PM EST (link)

all those should be raised.

black americans have suffered more than any other group in the u.s. because of liberal policies. it will take many elections to make serious inroads into the black vote, but it is worth it – especially since it’s the right thing for the country.

 
 
 
 

Ultimately, no one benefits by voting for Democrats

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 1:40PM EST (link)

Their policies are proven failures and bad for America. For 100% of the population and the unborn.

http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/01/22/obamaconstitution-dead-on-oathalive-for-roe-v-wade-deaths/

great diary bro

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Thanks, and I agree totally

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, January 22nd at 3:11PM EST (link)

All 307 million, plus the 15 million illegal aliens, plus the 1= millions per year who won’t be aborted under conservative governance.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 
 

You are missing the largest minority group in the country

pastafarian85 Friday, January 23rd at 12:15AM EST (link)

Non-believers/agnostics/atheists/secular humanists. People without any religious affiliation can still believe in conservative fiscal policies and still have a strong sense of ethical purpose and duty to our neighbors. There is a very, very large group of Americans (including myself) that aren’t thrilled with the Democrats but are more afraid of an American theocracy.

If the Republican party has any hope, it must bridge the gap with Libertarians.

Two Words, No Theocracy

DONTREADONME (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 12:20AM EST (link)

I do not know how there is a perception that Conservatives or Republicans desire a theocracy, this has to be farther from the truth. Rather a perception has been fostered that needs to be “nipped in the bud”. I do not know if I can convince you that you have a perception that is not right, but once you eliminate this reservation you will see that no such theocracy is desired. Freedom can not survive with a theocratic government, for it will demand the establishment of a religion and there are too many christians to settle on one religion. Just my thoughts.

And it is Unconstituional.

DONTREADONME (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 12:21AM EST (link)

Interesting...

pastafarian85 Friday, January 23rd at 12:36AM EST (link)

So tell me why almost every Conservative I run into insists that we live in a “Christian Nation” or at least a nation “founded on Christian principles”? The founding fathers were a mix of religious backgrounds, mostly Deists guided by the Enlightenment.

I resent that George H.W. Bush doesn’t believe that atheists shouldn’t even be American citizens, and that Mitt Romney refused to acknowledge the existence of nonbelievers in his lauded speech on faith. You can’t exclude 12% of the population simply because they don’t have the same metaphysical beliefs or read a middle eastern book for moral guidance, and then be confused why you are losing voters.

Again, I said to you

DONTREADONME (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 12:45AM EST (link)

I do not expect you to change your frame of reference. Yes the country was found on Christian principles and if you are aethist and you have a belief. Your belief is in nothing or at least no guiding light in life; however, you adhere to law and as long as you do no one cares what you believe. To have Government care, is not conservatism.

Again, you have faith in nothing. Have I stipped you of your rights and has Government intended to do the same. The answer is NO! So get that darn chip off your darn shoulder and wake up. Please

 

EPU has it right

AKSteveB (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 1:06AM EST (link)

I’m libertarian leaning and non religious and I’m a heck of a lot more threatened by somebody telling me what I can drive, where I can live, what I can earn, than I am by someone leading a prayer at a High School football game. Libertarianism is also not a suicide pact. Our freedoms exist to the extent our national security can protect them.

Hell is other people – Sartre

 

How can you pretend to be Libertarian ...

skorrent1 (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 11:00AM EST (link)

And “resent” the personal beliefs of Bush, Romney, or any Conservative. Aren’t people allowed to hold any personal beliefs as long as they do not attempt to enforce them through the government? Can you point to any action taken by conservatives in government to restrict religious activity of any sort? Aren’t most conservatives concerned to preserve the freedom to express personal religious beliefs, anywhere, anytime? No Libertarian worth his salt would prefer the liberal, PC restrictions on freedom of speech imposed to keep someone from “feeling excluded.” The current “social liberal” agenda includes “hate speech” laws and the “Fairness Doctrine.” A true Libertarian would reject both.

 
 

Two more words

jackbenimble (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 12:48PM EST (link)

Terri Schiavo

Are you serious that you cannot understand the perception that conservatives or Republicans desire a theocracy?

I think in the Terri Schiavo case we proved we were willing to step all over many of our own principles like small government, states rights, the Constitution, separation of powers and others to implement a policy that could very easily be interpreted as the imposition of theocracy and the denial of science.

If the public has a perception that conservatives or Republicans desire a theocracy it is because we have given them a lot of reason to think that way. We hurt ourselves badly with that case, accomplished nothing and at the end of the day when they did the autopsy that poor woman’s brain was mostly formless liquid goo just like the Doctors said it was going to be when they testified in court.

I don’t think we have done ourselves any favors on the theocracy front with the stem cell research policy issue either. Our policy on that issue is totally informed by the moral convictions of some Christians on the extreme end of the pro-life movement. Large numbers of Christians and the majority of Americans have no problem with research on embryo stem cells. Unlike with Terri Schiavo, at least on the stem cell issue we don’t trample on so many of our other strongly held principles when we come out against it and refuse to spend public money on it. But our position is easily billed as the theocracy position and the denial of science position. Perhaps that is unfair but I really don’t think so and it is the reality of the situation regardless of whether it is fair or not.

It is easy to say we don’t want a theocracy but the Party actually has to act that way it wants to be believed. In general, I think the Party would do a lot better with a more liberatarian approach to social issues. But I suppose I lean that way so am biased.

We say we are for personal freedom but we don’t want to let people who love each other get married and we don’t want to let people put substances that they clearly desire in their own bodies and we don’t want to let people look at certain picture that they enjoy looking at and we don’t want to let people play games of chance with their own money and the list goes on. We are the aniti-freedom party if the freedom involves anything the Christian religion disapproves of.

Personally I tolerate the Republican control penchant because I hate free spending liberalism and socialism worse. In the most recent election, even though he was more closely aligned with the aspects of social conservatism which I disagree I voted for Chuck Baldwin because he was also a lot further than John McCain from the liberalism and socialism that I despise even more.

“I repudiate the idea of voting for a Democrat

7 more words for jackbenimble

DONTREADONME (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 4:35PM EST (link)

life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I especially thought you might have had a good arguement here, but I was completely wrong. Life, I am sorry if you find this abhorrent, but once you conduct an autopsy I am sure that life has ended.

“I think in the Terri Schiavo case we proved we were willing to step all over many of our own principles like small government, states rights, the Constitution, separation of powers and others to implement a policy that could very easily be interpreted as the imposition of theocracy and the denial of science.”

Secondly, you have some nerve to say that we are denying science. What do you think I do for a living? Science has a track record of getting wrong, why should we always assume that scientists are without error? We do not step over our principles on the Terri Schiavo case. What happens if the autopsy said differnetly? It does not matter, it would have been to late. All of those constitutional matters that you brought up in this above quote are directed after the matters of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Moving on to the next point….

Next you say the following:
“Republicans desire a theocracy it is because we have given them a lot of reason to think that way.”
This one was easy, you may think that way but it does not make it true. How does a theocracy beneift the republican party or our freedoms for that matter? Answer this question and you will find the problems with this perception.

“We say we are for personal freedom but we don’t want to let people who love each other get married and we don’t want to let people put substances that they clearly desire in their own bodies and we don’t want to let people look at certain picture that they enjoy looking at and we don’t want to let people play games of chance with their own money and the list goes on. We are the aniti-freedom party if the freedom involves anything the Christian religion disapproves of”

I am sorry, but I am confused. Homosexuals do not deserve specific state recognition for their union to have personal freedoms. It is called a contractual agreement, religious ceremonies, power of attorney and wills. Lastly, I perceive homosexuality as a perversion, mental illness and a genetic flaw; however, I do not restrict their right to have whatever relation they want in the darkness of night, just do not force me to accept it.

Lastly, you seem to despise people who have principles. Priniciples come from somewhere whether it be God, Allah, Evolution, natural law and what have you. Moral Relativism is what you seem to enjoy for this country which would satisfy your personal freedom and your arguement.

Oh one last thing, embryonic stem cell research is not an overwhelming issue that is favored by the majority that you claim. Also the science again is dubious at best, I believe embryonic stem cell treatments have proven to generate cancers in most people.

Interesting choice of a quote

jackbenimble (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 5:53PM EST (link)

“life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”

I find it interesting that you chose to open your response to me with these words and then spent most of the rest of your response explaining why it was OK to deny people two out of three of these natural rights endowed in each of us by our creator.

I am well aware that science is not infallible and is sometimes downright dishonest. For example I have some serious problems with the AGW alarmists. But some science is pretty damn good and Doctors have known for a long time how to tell if somebody was brain-dead or not. Given medical liability and what not, I doubt you would have found Doctors who would take the stand in court and swear somebody was medically brain dead if they were not damn sure that their diagnosis would be supported by an autoposy. We over-ruled experts and the findings of multiple courts largely based on a 10-second video of a woman appearing to follow the movement of a balloon. To me that was a denial of science and also walked all over lots of our closely held principles.

Personally it is abhorant to my sense of principle to hook somebody who is not sentinent to a feeding tube and leave them in that condition for decades. That is a case of medical technology outrunning medical ethics and human decency.

I personally feel about the same way about homosexuals that you do and I am against gay marriage too. But, when you start combining our position on that with the other things we are against it all adds up when they connect the dots and it is easy to paint us as theoocratic. Recently I am re-considering my position because I see precious little harm being done by gay marriage in Massachussets. I know it has not harmed me or my family. I think there is considerable merit to the idea that it is harmful to the family and society and I am considering it and won’t be making a hasty reversal of my previous position.

I have no problem with people having principles and I have plenty of my own and I try to live my life according to them. But I recognize not everybody shares my principles and I really don’t want somebody else imposing their principles on me. My thinking is that so long as the only person being hurt by a particular action is the person engaging in it then we should leave them be and let them enjoy liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

When we start imposing our religious values on people who don’t share them we make it extremely easy for the other side to compare us to the Taliban hitting a woman with a stick (or worse) for failing to cover here head and body. Who are we to tell a person they can’t gamble their own hard earned money or look at naked pictures or smoke a substance that has been smoked for thousands of years and probably does less harm than alcohol? Are you really so certain that your understanding of right and wrong is so much better than anybody elses? Why are your convictions superior to those of that Taliban guy who is also inspired by a belief in a Supreme being?

Of course liberals and the left are just as bad or worse about wanting to limit freedom. The gun issue comes immediately to mind. And if the environmentalists get their way they will be telling what to eat and when we can travel and what mode of travel and when we can turn on the lights and be placing all manner of other controls on our lives.

I actualy believe in liberty and the pursuit of happiness and too many conservatives and too many liiberals apparently don’t. There is tons of behavior that goes on that I don’t like and don’t approve of but that I don’t think it is the role of government to regulate or make it illegal.

I have no idea where the stem-cell research will lead. Like most scientific pursuits there is a good chance it will be a dead end. But maybe it won’t. I’d like the scientific research to take place so we know one way or the other. I agree it is not an overwhelming issue with the public. But the public is roughly 50/50 on the abortion issue and quite a few pro-lifers defect on the stem cell issue. It along with our position on several other issues some of which I mentioned above is just one of the many dots that gets connected when we are being painted as wanting a theocracy. Fari or not, it is not a hard picture to draw.

“I repudiate the idea of voting for a Democrat

 
 

Science, and the classical physics of the quantum world

DONTREADONME (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 4:43PM EST (link)

Lastly, jackbenimble do not always count on science to be your arguement. Read some quantum mechanics books and concentrate on the first couple chapters. Open you eyes and realize that science is as fallable and inaccurate as human beings and computers. It is best guess here jack, do not hang your life completely in science because you will be dissappointed.

 

Can't you at least start ...

skorrent1 (Diary) Saturday, January 24th at 10:35AM EST (link)

With a definition of “theocracy?” It has nothing to do with determining whether a state judge, with close relations with a lawyer/campaign doner, was in error in denying continuing life to a person. The entire Senate, Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, voted unanamously to send the case to a disinterested federal court for determination. Read your Constitution. Congress determines the appelite jurisdiction of the federal courts. The fact that the courts refused to act as directed is just another case of judges refusing to be bound by the Constitution. How this wound up being blamed on conservatives, and tied to some “religious theocracy”, demonstrates the power of the MSM to spin the facts.

You have some policy differences with some conservatives, OK. Your libertarian leanings see no problem in applying the body of some 1300, or so, federal statutes, and a corresponding number of state laws in each of 50 states, that have accumulated over the centuries to define the relation of marriage between man and woman, willie nillie, to any two people who “love each other.” Well, a little hard to swallow, but I’ll buy it. But what that has to do with a form of government in which religious leaders make laws for the whole of society, or where government passes laws governing religious expression, is completely beyond me.

Try to understand what you’re talking about before you post, OK?

 
 
 

"If the Republican party has any hope, it must bridge the gap with Libertarians."

Tbone (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 12:35AM EST (link)

Why? That is like asking the Democrats to bridge the gap with communists. Only a very stupid commie wouldn’t vote for a Dem and only a very stupid libertarian wouldn’t vote for a Republican. The far left fringe is still on the left and the far right fringe is still on the right. However, the sane on both sides need to waste little effort on either.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

no

pastafarian85 Friday, January 23rd at 12:45AM EST (link)

A libertarian could vote for a Democrat because they agree with their social and foreign policy positions more than their fiscal policy. What exactly did Bush “conserve” while he was POTUS? Certainly not our money, or our reputation, or the environment (see: Teddy Roosevelt). I would have been much more inclined to vote for McCain if he wasn’t completely senile and didn’t pick Bush with lipstick as his running mate.

Now Go Away

DONTREADONME (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 12:47AM EST (link)

Reputation, Long walk short pier. Thank you and goodnight

 

So much for me being nice.

Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 12:50AM EST (link)

Of course, I might have known from the username: FSM devotees have a certain reputation.

Thanks for stopping by, and thanks for embarrassing the libertarian-leaning types.

 
 
 
 

This is the single best diary

AKSteveB (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 12:58AM EST (link)

that I’ve read in the past few months on RS. Everyone needs to get back off the ledge, realize that this election year was a “perfect storm” of events and a very flawed candidate/s and just a very strange year overall. Some people including myself wandered off the reservation because of that perfect storm, but the fundamentals haven’t changed. This remains a center right country, and this party needs to represent a center right constituency. It also needs to realize that what IS center right varies by region. Federalism is our friend in that.

BTW, am I the only one that finds being in opposition more fun and interesting than being in the majority? (Yeah I know that is NOT the best for the country).

Hell is other people – Sartre

You not alone in your final sentiment. :)

Xasteius (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 1:03AM EST (link)

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

it's good for conservative talk radio too

AKSteveB (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 1:32AM EST (link)

These guys are a lot funnier when they can take shots, rather than kiss butt.

Hell is other people – Sartre

 
 

I take not enjoyment from my minority status

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Friday, January 23rd at 12:54PM EST (link)

Not a bit. But I can understand others that do. I’m going to be HOT for a long, long time that the media and purple state Repubs picked McCain for a nominee.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

EPU gets old saying one of your best yet again

Scope (Diary) Sunday, January 25th at 4:07PM EST (link)

But you keep surpassing your previous best efforts. Great, well thought out and a well articulated long summary of your thoughts. As you said above, each of the groups listed above can warrant a Diary of it’s own. Would you consider doing that? Special request- If you choose to accept this assignment, please spice it up with FDT views, as he spoke so well on so many subjects. This tape will self destruct in 5 seconds. Good luck EPU!

Also, I promised I would stop putting my blood pressue off the charts with even thinking of or commenting on the name you mentioned in your post above.

Well, you can always grab one of them (or more)

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, January 25th at 11:19PM EST (link)

I’m really not endowed with super-secret knowledge — pretty much everything in this diary is common knowledge, IMO.

I feel like I’ve accomplished something, with this diary, when the readers start saying “well THIS constituency should vote for us too, and here’s why”.

I’ll probably expand on some of them, but I don’t know that I’ll make a whole series out of it.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

Yeah I think your diary and

AKSteveB (Diary) Monday, January 26th at 3:39AM EST (link)

Robert “White Construction workers” Reich are gonna be what gets me off the fence and more active.

Hell is other people – Sartre

 
 
 

EPU gets old saying one of your best yet again

Scope (Diary) Sunday, January 25th at 4:07PM EST (link)

But you keep surpassing your previous best efforts. Great, well thought out and a well articulated long summary of your thoughts. As you said above, each of the groups listed above can warrant a Diary of it’s own. Would you consider doing that? Special request- If you choose to accept this assignment, please spice it up with FDT views, as he spoke so well on so many subjects. This tape will self destruct in 5 seconds. Good luck EPU!

Also, I promised I would stop putting my blood pressue off the charts with even thinking of or commenting on the name you mentioned in your post above.

 
 
 

Latinos and McCain

Scope (Diary) Saturday, January 24th at 9:13AM EST (link)

There are a few Republican Latinos in my state who are trying to get a Latino group together in order to promote conservatism, and to talk to other Latinos to point out to them that the Republican Party is the better path for them. They say we are strongly religious, very family oriented and hard workers. My perceptions of Latinos is that they are all of those things. I participated in some of the discussion on the website, and asked what their ideas were on Amnesty, and so did a few others. The answer was that it was not good to talk about Amnesty on a website because it was a very volitile and heated topic, and that it was best to leave the discussion to in person debate within the groups. One Latino said that one of the problems was that Latinos were expected to learn English right away. Another view was that in order to become a legal citizen, it takes too long, up to 5 years and more, and that in order to become a citizen they had to pay Immigration Attorneys very high fees, in addition to the application and processing fees required by the government. It was also stated that the “immigration debate” last year with the McCain/Kennedy bill only alienated the Latinos both legal and illegal because of the cries to not pass a bill that included amnesty. If I am not mistaken more than 80% of the population polled were against a bill that included amnesty. I find it hard to believe that that 80% were all Republicans. Therefore, it means that Latinos have adopted the impression that the Republicans are cold, heartless and nonwelcoming. While I say that I believe Latinos are Social Conservatives, I also then must believe that Latinos have not bought into one of the very basic ideas of conservatism which is “the rule of law.”

I am in full agreement that the (legal) immigration process needs to be streamlined and speeded up, however, another part of me believes that if we did not have the enormous amount of illegals, there would be more resources, and the whole process would go more timely and smoothly, rather than to spend time, money and manpower trying to reslove the overwhelming illegal problems that exist.

McCain has been back in the news since the Coronation saying that he has every intention to work with Obama, especially with regards to the immigration issue. And, since he has been back in the news, the group has been using McCain as their champion. They are thrilled that McCain will be their voice, and will work with Obama in order to push this important agenda for them.

I can only then come to the conclusion that nothing short of Amnesty will please them. And, I believe they mistakenly think McCain will get the credit for fighting for their cause. If amnesty is passed on Obamas watch, Obama and the Democrats will be their heros. Then, how many Latinos will be convinced that the Republicans/Conservatives are the party that has their best interests at heart?

Why give Amnesty for illegal immigration and not for other illegal behavior?

David123 (Diary) Saturday, January 24th at 9:37AM EST (link)

If you get caught robbing money illegally you don’t get to keep the money.

If you get caught with illegal drugs you don’t get to keep your stash.

If you get caught being in America illegally, why should you get to stay here?

David123

Dave123- It's hard to get caught when no one is willing to look for you

Scope (Diary) Saturday, January 24th at 3:14PM EST (link)

You’re exactly right, if you break the law, you suffer the consequences, except if you are an illegal in the US.

 
 
 

Black Voters

scarlos (Diary) Saturday, January 24th at 6:41PM EST (link)

The key point to winning over black votes is to distinguish between the Urban blacks (who vote Democrat for reasons similar to Urban whites) and the Suburban and Rural blacks who are more Socially Conservative and therefore more likely to switch loyalties. It works the Same way with Hispanics, as New York City and Los Angeles Hispanics are as firmly Democrat as their black counterparts, but the rural and Suburban Hispanics in places like South Texas are much more closely divided. We need to win over the latter group in both cases before we can even think about going after the former group, simply for practical reasons.

I think the best chance we have at courting the socially conservative blacks is to run black, state-wide candidates in conservative states. Ideally this would be in states like Mississippi or Alabama, where Conservative candidates can usually win by safe margins and Blacks have long been denied chances to run for state-wide offices by the White Democratic party leaders.

The initial election would probably be contested by the race-baiters, but they should presumably be elected without much problem. Then they spend a huge amount of energy reaching out to Black voters and championing their priorities, and begin to chip away at their blind allegiance to the Democratic party.

Even if we could get one black candidate to campaign like this it could be the turning point, as once a Conservative could get something like 35-40% of the Black vote, Blacks all across the country will begin to pay more attention when Republicans campaign. After all, if Conservatives can point to a fellow conservative whose ideas perform well among blacks, they have a metaphorical “foot in the door” that could be used to break the entrenched belief that Conservatives don’t care about them or their priorities.

And at that point it becomes a battle of ideas between us and the Liberals, instead of a partisan rout.

Socialism is Oligarchy in disguise

55555, great ideas -nt-

Beaglescout (Diary) Saturday, January 24th at 11:23PM EST (link)

.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton
 
 

Outstanding diary, and remarkably thorough.

icbm (Diary) Saturday, January 24th at 9:13PM EST (link)

Thank you. Couldn’t agree more.

 

Thanks, EPU. This is one of your very best.

scottbomb (Diary) Sunday, January 25th at 1:44AM EST (link)

I almost didn’t even read it because of the title. Once it hit #1 on the now-working reco list (thanks Steve!!) I figured I’d at least take a look. You’ve summed it up pretty well, and I hope your message reaches far and wide. I’lll do everything I can to help spread it.

www.HowObamaGotElected.com

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” – Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

Did not like my title?

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, January 25th at 11:09PM EST (link)

OK, the title was something of a slight misdirection. But you should be used to that – that’s part of my schtick, man. But I’m glad you broke down and read it.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 
 

+10% of them can be deduced from this poll

Hammer2008 (Diary) Sunday, January 25th at 3:37AM EST (link)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/january_2009/59_fear_too_much_government_spending_is_coming

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Too much noise! “Noise! You’ll have noise enough before long. The Regulars are coming out.” ~ Paul Revere (April 18th, 1775′s eve…)

What rock did they find these people under to poll

Scope (Diary) Sunday, January 25th at 3:51PM EST (link)

I didn’t catch when this poll was conducted but- 78% of Dems. think politics will become more cooperative in Washington? Don’t know how the question was posed to the interviewees, but it appears that they believe that Obama reminding the Republicans that he won will make them stand tall, click their heels, salute and say yes sir. Sad part is, some Republicans really do seem to be doing just that.

 

What rock did they find these people under to poll

Scope (Diary) Sunday, January 25th at 3:51PM EST (link)

I didn’t catch when this poll was conducted but- 78% of Dems. think politics will become more cooperative in Washington? Don’t know how the question was posed to the interviewees, but it appears that they believe that Obama reminding the Republicans that he won will make them stand tall, click their heels, salute and say yes sir. Sad part is, some Republicans really do seem to be doing just that.

 
 

On second thought, rec'd.

skorrent1 (Diary) Sunday, January 25th at 7:13PM EST (link)

But with a caveat.

I tend to agree with Rush that conservatives don’t self-identify in groups. I’ve heard the GOP described as an “organization of individuals”, which is sort of like a herd of cats.

The arguments listed are excellent, and, if presented face-to-face, one-on-one, with the context that they are consistent for each individual, not designed to pit one group against another, they well may be persuasive. We will never be able to play the “identity politics” game as well as the Dems, who have honed catering to antipathetic groups down to a science.

Not just BO, but any Dem, could give the “bitter-clinger” speech to the fat cats and pass himself off as a “man of the people” to the masses without a hitch.

Actually, that is directly in line with my thinking.

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, January 25th at 11:14PM EST (link)

Of course, what I am talking about is peeling off people who are Democrats who should be Republicans, and like you, I am more interested in peeling off individuals, one by one, argument by argument.

Note that for each constituency, we don’t tell them what we are going to do for them, as if we bought them off with some coalition-building compromise. We tell them what WE already do and how it would benefit them, as well as point out what the Democrats are currently doing to injure them.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 
 

we dont really have to worry about filling the big tent

kyle8 (Diary) Sunday, January 25th at 11:19PM EST (link)

what we have to worry about is who we pick as leaders.

Look, if somehow Obama manages to pull off peace, and prosperity then we will have lost for a generation at least, But if, as we suspect, his administration ends up like another Jimmy Carter, then we also don’t have to worry because people will seek us out.

What we do have to worry most about is that we don’t end up electing a bunch of career opportunists, job shoppers, and people with wide stances. We need to ensure that everyone we choose is at VERY LEAST a fiscal conservative, or a libertarian. And not a “maverick”.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Yes

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, January 26th at 11:54AM EST (link)

Well, I think on the grassroots level we DO need to go about filling the big tent. But I agree with the rest – I have despised our kiss-the-Dems leadership for 20 years now, and we can’t really separate the Republican brand if people can’t tell the difference.

Naturally, you being you, you would like to see fiscons or libertarian leaders. I am more of a traditional Con, and would like to see leaders firmly rooted in all 3 legs of Conservatism – including and especially ‘moral compass’ cons.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

we have had plenty of those

kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, January 27th at 6:21AM EST (link)

Most of our elected officials, including both the Bush’s and most all the Senators with the exception of Specter have been very solid on social issues.

Where has that gotten us? I’ll tell you where, in the crapper, That is because we should have insisted on limited government not trying to use the government to promote our own ideas and values.

Sometimes I look on republicans like you who are so caught up and wound up tight into doing God’s work, and I think that you are just like the Blacks are in the democratic party.

You will go along with all sorts of things that are harmful to you just as long as someone says the magic words about a very few social issues.

Our nation’s morality did not erode because of government, it is the other way around, our morals went to hell, and then reliance on government followed. I wish you could see that.

I wish you could get over your mental block and realize that only in an atmosphere of very limited and decentralized (and low cost) government can your ideals of church and family flourish.

When government s big, costly, and intrusive then people who believe in traditional values will always be screwed. Because the left is empowered. Why can’t you see that?

The economic issues are of upmost importance.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Kyle, that is one steaming hot pile of crap

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, January 27th at 12:09PM EST (link)

You call me mental-blocked, but I mention the term ‘moral compass’, and you go off into a silly rant and basically accuse me of being Mike Huckabee.

Now you listen here, s###-kicker. Don’t you go confusing me with some whole other body. Everybody at RedState knows who I am, and what all you said about me is crap and you should know it.

In spite of what I actually said, you say that I want the party to be run by GWB and Huckabee. I distinctly said ‘all three legs’.

Maybe that’s what I meant. You want to reject the moral compass? Fine. But here’s a news flash. You see no correlation between the death of decent society in the last 40 years, and the growth of big government in the last 40 years. I do.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

fine, all three legs

kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, January 27th at 5:17PM EST (link)

But everything I said was still true. It isn’t the social issues right now we have to worry about, we are all about to be taxed and spent into oblivion, and who do we have to blame for it?

Republicans who didn’t care enough about the fiscal issues, but were good on the social issues.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

'moral compass' != 'social issues'

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, January 27th at 5:36PM EST (link)

I don’t expect Libertarians to get that. But I will try to explain.

A moral compass means understanding that there are universal rights and wrongs, and having those universal rights and wrongs guide actions (and in this context) governance.

Fiscal issues are GROUNDED in a moral compass. Private ownership of property is the ultimate expression of a moral compass. Ditto for free market enterprise. ‘unalienable rights, among them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness’ is , as much as anything else, an expression that economic freedom is a universal right (in the ‘right vs wrong’ sense).

Those leaders who believe in the ‘right’ fiscal things but don’t fully know why, are subject to change those beliefs the first time the going gets tough.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

FWIW EPU...

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, January 27th at 5:43PM EST (link)

Bird got that….;^)

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 
 
 

Yeah Kyle I am gonna have to agree with EPU here...

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, January 27th at 12:22PM EST (link)

You totally mischaracterized EPU’s words to the point that you sound deranged…I mean EPU is all about limited Constitutional gov’t. EPU is the guy who was ready to start taking out SCOTUS judges do to their usurpation of their Constitutionally defined roles.

To me you are either a conservative who abides by all three legs or you are not a conservative at all.

Conservatism as piece meal will never work…it’s like trying to ride a tricycle without the front wheel. Silly and it gets you no where.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 
 
 

There's plenty of room in the tent for this, right ?.... S149 / HR254 - Weekend Voting Act

Kenny Solomon (Diary) Monday, January 26th at 12:39AM EST (link)

S149 – Sponsor: Sen Kohl, Herb [WI] (introduced 1/6/2009)
The Weekend Voting Act (Introduced In Senate)

HR254 – Sponsor: Rep Israel, Steve [NY-2] (introduced 1/7/2009)
Weekend Voting Act (Introduced in House)

To change the date for regularly scheduled Federal elections and establish polling place hours.

Saturday and Sunday ……. Right in the middle of College and Pro football seasons.

I wouldn’t worry too much about these bills passing. After all, we just had the last free election this country’s going to see for some time.

Hope the tent is armed !

Cheers !

 

How?

Whitehorse (Diary) Monday, January 26th at 1:01AM EST (link)

How do we do this? Simply put, education – not relying on government schools, but educating & communicating our principles & values to people. It would help immensely if we had that single, passionate leader doing it. We do have some who are, however the leader’s leader hasn’t yet emerged. We can’t wait to begin or shouldn’t wait to continue. The conservative Republican platform, built on strong national defense, fiscally responsible economic policy, limited government conservatism, & conservative social values is almost invincible – when communicated with passion.

There is a vast army of conservative Republicans & those who share our values waiting for an overall leader. When that leader emerges, great. Until then, we must fight in the “trenches” in the war of ideas with mind to mind combat, educating people.

That name is probably Jim DeMint

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, January 26th at 11:57AM EST (link)

The ‘how’ question is the next question. In my diary, I was simply trying to identify ‘who’, and ‘why’.

‘How’ is alot more difficult, and education in my mind has several fronts – I will do cartwheels and handstands the day the government gets out of the school business. But I think wrecking the majority media and giving rise to a legitimate conservative and large-audience alternative media is also key.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO