What would Fred do?


EPU channels Fred inre the current credit crisis....

Leading off with the disclaimer — I have seen or heard nothing recent from Fred Thompson in reference to the current finance-credit-Wall Street crisis : he’s been silent (AFAICT) since his Sept 8 Townhall piece in which he blisters the bailout of Freddie and Fannie, and gives a scathing review of how we got to this point.

I find it odd and troubling that Fred, McCain’s dear friend and close advisor, has gone dark at this time, when core conservative principles offer us the best and truest guidance in a situation desperately in need of wise counsel, and Fred being the modern beacon of core conservatism. Yet, silent he is, and EPU can’t help but suspect that he has offered his wise counsel to McCain, and yet McCain cannot see his way clear to follow that counsel. McCain has gone in, as he must, on a crusade, once again, to ‘fix things’. That is his nature and calling. Methinks that Fred has been publicly silent because anything he would say would interfere with McCain’s dealings. I’m okay with that — I understand, and I also know that plenty of other core conservatives (like Rush) are carrying the free-market banner at the moment.

So this is my disclaimer — I’m channeling Fred. I don’t pretend to be an economist, a lawyer, or a savvy politician. But hey, if Little Johnny Edwards can channel babies, EPU can sure channel Fred. My IQ is at least 40 points over that of Edwards, and possibly 60 points over that of Biden. I know, I know, that only puts me around 130 [but trust me - don't play cards with me]. And I have studied at the feet of Edmund Burke, John Adams, William Buckley, Russell Kirk, Ronald Reagan, and Fred.

So here goes….

So, first, just a bit about how we got where we are. We got here because government got into the mortgage business, and because inevitably Democrat corruption and tampering led to the creation and inevitable collapse of the subprime market. Repubs tried in vain to rein in this stuff, but were blocked by the Dems. Multiple times. There are lots of details, but that is the short of it. One looks on vain for ANY Constitutional justification for a single bit of government involvement in the market via Fannie and Freddie.

Yet here we are, and the question arises – since government got us INTO this mess, should government

  • [attempt to] get us out of, or otherwise ameliorate the effects of, the government-inflicted damage? or
  • let the free market take care of things, with its brutal but effective cleansing?

The answer? Both. I believe that Fred, were he the GOP nominee at the moment, would have hit Washington last week with a couple of agenda items:

  • lay the groundwork for destroying the things that caused this crisis, so that we are not doomed to repeat it and not doomed to socialism. Specifically:
    • Kill Freddie and Fannie — break them up and sell off the assets.
    • Loudly and forcefully lay the blame for this crisis at the feet of the Democrats, in particular Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, the Clinton Administration’s zealous enforcement the of Community Reinvestment Act, ACORN (and by extension Obama), as well as Franklin Raines and that other idiot on Obama’s staff [name eludes me].
    • Open FBI investigations of Fannie, Freddie, and follow wherever that leads. If there is any justice, the names Countrywide, Conrad, and Dodd will become household names.
    • Start divesting the federal government of all public-private holdings
    • Lift the mark-to-market accounting requirements that came about as an over-reaction to Enron.

  • Second, in terms of the current drought of credit anywhere: refloat the credit market.
    • Like it or not, refloating of the credit market is a must. The credit market literally is the motor oil of the economy. We must have it operational. Good companies are now going down along with the bad.
    • As I think our own blackhedd has suggested [forgive me Francis if I misrepresent], the merest framework of the Paulson plan involves no taxpayer money per se, but is essentially ‘printing money’ by selling a butt-load of T-Bills and using them to buy up MBS’s (at somewhere above current market value but below a fair market value) and hold them till maturity, which will serve to refloat the credit market, and ease us into a survivable hard-landing rather than a full-tilt crash.
    • Like it or not, it’s better than a crash, and after all, it IS the federal government that caused this. That plan does not lead us down the path to socialism. When the MBS’s mature, we cash them in, and we are done.
    • Do nothing else. No paying off distressed mortgages, no more bailouts, no money for airlines, bowling teams, or unions. There will be closures, foreclosures, bankruptcies of both companies and individuals, but while the Constitution allows the government to provide for the general welfare, it does NOT provide for a risk-free existence for every individual and company in America. This semi-bailout might not sound conservative, but I submit that it falls to the government to take an extraordinary act for the benefit of America in general, while safeguarding the free market that is literally the engine of America’s unprecedented long-term prosperity.

Anyway, that’s what Fred would do. How do I know? Hey, because I channeled him, and you can trust me on that.


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Yes, where the heck is Fred?

c17wife (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 3:50PM EST (link)

And Rudy and Mitt? I want all three of them front and center. Yesterday! Punching back hard.
And I don’t care what he said, Mitt Romney had better be the Secretary of the Treasury under John McCain.

I pretty much concur with everything you lay out here.

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Fred doesn't mind working hard..he would be a Big Help

speciallist (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 5:50PM EST (link)

And another thing...when are we gonna have some hearings?...Am I going to have to bring that Raines Video Again?

speciallist (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 5:53PM EST (link)

We need some good Fred conservatism on this issue right now!

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 6:05PM EST (link)

Attention...Everybody needs to see this Video!

speciallist (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 6:24PM EST (link)
 

Fred might also ask...

Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 7:59PM EST (link)

If we’re on the brink of Economic Armageddon why did the House take off for a holiday? Are there that many practicing Jews in the House that it couldn’t function without them for a few days?

I asked this on the “Congress Must Act” thread but no responses there.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Excellent Post!!

larueladue (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 8:28PM EST (link)

I am going to send this to all my Dem friends… sorry, I do have a few.

well, it's complicated, StephC

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 9:00PM EST (link)

I’m a little torn on it myself. Rosh HaShanah is a pretty significant Jewish holiday — although actually the whole coming 10 days are significant, nearly as much. It’s hard to say what is the right thing for a practicing Jew to do.

However, As a Christian I can say that if this was Easter (our most sacred of all Holy days), and I was a US Representative and the current credit thing was going on, I am pretty sure I would bite the bullet and insist on being in Washington for the good of the country.

Just my 2 cents. My guess is that the legislators have their PC panties in a bunch and are unwilling to impose on the Jews by canceling the leave.

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EPU I agree for the most part...

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 9:45PM EST (link)

But you lose me on the purchase of the MBS. I simply reject the premise. If this occurs it will be precedent and any time lines or regulations can be modified just as the original CRA was during the Clinton admin. This is an opportunity for expansion of government into the free market and it’s wrong. Conservatism teaches us that government isn’t the solution, it is the problem. You know this and it saddens me that you would accept this.

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You're not wrong at all, Aaron

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 10:09PM EST (link)

But a couple of points: first, I am going to play the ‘but I’m channeling Fred’ card – because I do think that in the final analysis he would not opt for the ‘let it burn’ route.

Second, I believe that the conservative answer is the right answer: EVERY TIME. And I know you do to, which is why you are opting for ‘don’t give the government a foot-hold’ plan. But I believe that the government, based on the ‘general welfare’ clause of the Preamble, is obligated to act on this crisis — in the least intrusive way possible. I believe, as Fred does, that the vacuuming up of MBS’s to refloat the credit market represents that least-intrusive way.

Is it a potential foot-hold for all sorts of government expansion and malfeasance? Yes. It absolutely is. But then, so is nearly every piece of legislation ever proposed. Conservative governance must be ever-diligent and self-disciplined. The secret to making this NOT the camel’s nose under the tent is to get conservatives in charge, and for us to watch them like hawks.

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"..watch them like hawks."....5's

speciallist (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 10:26PM EST (link)

I agree Aaron

Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Tuesday, September 30th at 10:46PM EST (link)

No. No,I don’t think Fred would step in that pile. He would be standing on the side that voted NO. Too much power in too few hands and with our money. Nadda.Given the fact it is a socialist thing they tried to squeeze through.

Maggie in Indiana

EPU, I'm not thinking the Jews

Steph C (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 4:07AM EST (link)

need to stay, at least not for the most important days of the holiday. I’m wondering why the whole House had to break for it if there’s such a crisis that needs a speedy resolution.

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EPU channeling Fred...and he responds.

c17wife (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 7:49AM EST (link)

Sort of.

I just popped into The Corner to see if anyone was going to beat up on Palin this AM and found this link-

http://townhall.com/Common/PrintPage.aspx?g=41781e42-10cb-4524-bd0b-95f4fb6fd151&t=c

He starts with this-

When John McCain selected Governor Sarah Palin, as his running mate, the Democrats and their far-left constituency let out a primal scream that could be heard from sea to shining sea.

And ends with this-

This brings me back to Governor Sarah Palin, and why I say that courage and political will are at the very top of the “qualification” requirements for today’s leaders. So the question is, how does Sarah Palin compare on that score with Biden and Obama, for that matter? Very well, I’d say.

Go read the whole thing. You know you want to…and besides, it’s just good stuff.

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hmmm, very nice indeed,C

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 9:34AM EST (link)

you just KNEW Fred was Palin man. That’s actually a very intelligent article.

Fred, we need to hear from you more, buddy!

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EPU...5*5*5

Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 10:04AM EST (link)

even if this is a hypothetical… its definitely the course that corrects the ship, this seems to be in the ecumenical interests of all… maybe you weren’t just ‘channeling’ Fred… but the economic angels of heaven too? ewww gotta be careful with an implication like that…

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EPU...you need to read this...

Attack Mode (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 10:17AM EST (link)

Mark Levin on NRO WRT the Bailout

This is the meat…but read the whole thing also.

Also, count me among those few here who want to thank the House Republicans for taking a bold stand against what had been a stampede on a scale I have never before witnessed on matters of huge consequence. Conservatism is more than a quaint belief-system to be embraced and debated over donuts at Starbucks. It is more than a list of talking points. It is the foundation of the civil society. The liberal uses crises, real or manufactured, to expand the power of government at the expense of the individual and private property. He has spent, in earnest, 70 years evading the Constitution’s limits on governmental power. If conservatives don’t stand up to this, who will? If they don’t offer serious alternatives that address the current circumstances AND defend the founding principles, who will? The House Republicans have done both. And I, for one, thank them.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 

Jim Johnson is the name

Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 12:04PM EST (link)

you couldn’t remember.

The first person named to head up The Big O’s VP search team.

Shameless. Disgraceful.

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haha, thanks Flagstaff

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 12:10PM EST (link)

couldn’t remember the name, although it was easy enough to conjure up an image – hopefully in an orange jumpsuit.

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Paulson will either have the money be "printed" or borrow it from the Chinese and Saudis.

asleep06 (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 3:40PM EST (link)

Either way, we’re stuck with $700+ billion of inflation, destroying our wealth, or $700+ billion of debt we have to pay off with interest to the Saudis.

Our Foreign Debt is quickly becoming the new Foreign Oil problem, giving money to terrorists.

Small is beautiful.

 

EPU, just before you posted this, McCain put up the awesome Bill Clinton-Fannie ad

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 7:15PM EST (link)

Hope you have seen it. It does exactly what you wished for.

McCain blames the dem congress. Bill Clinton affirms their blame and McCain cites plaudits from others on his bill to correct the problem in 2005-6.

Second, Fred is regularly on Townhall.com.

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My problem with the 'hedd's remedy and this bill are how they both weaken the dollar

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 7:17PM EST (link)

I think Blackie is too comfortable with the fact that this bill doesn’t actually take from taxpayers but “merely” raises the national debt.

But that further threatens the DOLLAR and the Forgotton Man, i.e. the US taxpayer.

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You want the conservative rationale for supporting it, you got it.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 7:57PM EST (link)

Sure there are corrupt politicians who contributed to it, whether that corruption came in the form of lobbying dollars from Fannie and Freddie, or the corruption of wanting to be the people who gave good things to their communities without doing actual work to make those good things. Sure it was expanded by greedy and/or corrupt businessmen who saw an opportunity to make a quick megabuck and stick some other poor sap with the bill.

But in the final analysis, we as Americans are to blame because we let all of them get away with it. We let the Dems continue to fund ACORN with our tax dollars so they could force banks to loan money to people who couldn’t afford it. We as Americans let them uncouple rational reserve requirements from the loans they were permitted to make. We stood idly by while Barney Frank demagogued the issue. Sometimes, some of didn’t even stand idly by, we actively participated in it by taking out loans we couldn’t afford. And almost all of us participated in it by making money in our 401(k)’s and IRA’s and other investment vehicles that put some of that money in our pockets. And now the bill has come due, so it is our responsibility to pay it. And since we all participated in it, the most equitable way to do that is to spread it around via the tax system.

After we are done setting out the promise to pay for it, we need to set about dismantling the laws that forced it, impeaching the Congressman who caused it, and to the extent possible, recovering money from the CEOs who immorally took the money. But even after that is done, we still have to stand up and be responsible.

 
 

Fred would point out faulty Pelosi logic

GregInFla (Diary) Wednesday, October 1st at 11:50PM EST (link)

As Amy Holmes says
at the Corner on National Review Online:

It seems to me that the real problem with her speech was its illogic. She stridently attacked George Bush’s “failed economic policies” and then, in the same breath, implored members to support his most controversial, unprecedented policy, yet.

So, her message was George Bush has been an unmitigated disaster for 8 years. He hasn’t gotten one thing right and has plunged America into an economic black hole. But in this case, we need to trust him. Why? Because she says so? They had a huddle?

Remember, if this fails, the will blame this on George Bush as well.

Another Fred lesson: when you have control of a house, don’t let the opposition keep committee chairmanships.


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If Fred were the nominee ...

Leverkuhn (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 10:05PM EST (link)

… he would take a nap. And I’m sure that is what he’s doing anyway.

Good Lord, why does anybody care about this?

“Senator Joe Biden is … a man so full of cr*p his speeches bear an awful resemblance to twenty minutes of flatulence preceded by ‘Good evening ladies and gentlemen,’ and followed by ‘God bless America.’”

- Leverkuhn

that's a load of crap

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Friday, October 10th at 5:33PM EST (link)

Dude gets a reputation, unearned and based on unfair criticism that was NEVER accurate or true, and you gotta buy into it. Good for you.

And besides, that’s not the point of this diary. The point is this: whatever Fred would have done, that is the conservative (and therefore correct) answer to the ‘what must be done about this crisis’ question.

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