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	<title>Comments on: Objectification:Alive and Well, Unfortunately for Women</title>
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		<title>By: gensec</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dratpatrol/2009/06/07/objectificationalive-and-well-unfortunately-for-women/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>gensec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You and the Wymyns Studies professor are the ones that imagine a conflict between women respecting their own accomplishments and also celebrating their sex appeal.
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Sarah &quot;Barracuda&quot; Palin was a very competitive high school basketball player, and later a very competitive politician. She also competed in beauty pageants, and I doubt she sees any inconsistency. And I don&#039;t think Palin minds one bit that some of her supporters think she&#039;s hot, otherwise she could adopt a perfectly reasonable style of dressing that does less to highlight her sex appeal.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Similarly I seriously doubt Danica Patrick feels any loss of pride in her racing accomplishments when she celebrates her attractiveness, If Patrick throwing out some playfully suggestive line or showing some skin makes you respect her less, that&#039;s your problem not hers. Or maybe you would respect her more if she&#039;d done the Sports Illustrated shoot in a more modest bathing suit?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and the Wymyns Studies professor are the ones that imagine a conflict between women respecting their own accomplishments and also celebrating their sex appeal.
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Sarah &#8220;Barracuda&#8221; Palin was a very competitive high school basketball player, and later a very competitive politician. She also competed in beauty pageants, and I doubt she sees any inconsistency. And I don&#8217;t think Palin minds one bit that some of her supporters think she&#8217;s hot, otherwise she could adopt a perfectly reasonable style of dressing that does less to highlight her sex appeal.
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Similarly I seriously doubt Danica Patrick feels any loss of pride in her racing accomplishments when she celebrates her attractiveness, If Patrick throwing out some playfully suggestive line or showing some skin makes you respect her less, that&#8217;s your problem not hers. Or maybe you would respect her more if she&#8217;d done the Sports Illustrated shoot in a more modest bathing suit?
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		<title>By: molybdanthan</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dratpatrol/2009/06/07/objectificationalive-and-well-unfortunately-for-women/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>molybdanthan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dratpatrol</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dratpatrol/2009/06/07/objectificationalive-and-well-unfortunately-for-women/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>dratpatrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know anything about it. Your expectations of my ability to be well-rounded and knowledgeable are flattering, and I&#039;m sorry I didn&#039;t measure up. Now that I have a standard, I guess I better start living up to it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know anything about it. Your expectations of my ability to be well-rounded and knowledgeable are flattering, and I&#8217;m sorry I didn&#8217;t measure up. Now that I have a standard, I guess I better start living up to it!</p>
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		<title>By: dratpatrol</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dratpatrol/2009/06/07/objectificationalive-and-well-unfortunately-for-women/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>dratpatrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admire your rabid defense of Danica in your reply; however, a careful read of what I said would reveal that such a defense was unwarranted. I wasn&#039;t saying Danica wasn&#039;t able to compete, and my remark about her third place finish at Indy was tongue-in-cheek. After all, I&#039;ve only gone 135mph on my Harley and that scared me to death! (I should have aligned the wheels better, but that&#039;s another story). My point was that she reverted to type (as when she was a spokesmodel on Powerblock TV) and allowed herself to be marketed for her sex rather than stand firm on what would be an admirable record even for a guy. If you&#039;re into old rock, it&#039;d be like Bonnie Raitt saying, &quot;I give up. No one respects me for my rockin&#039; ability, so I&#039;ll put the guitar down and pole dance.&quot; Definitely a sad picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire your rabid defense of Danica in your reply; however, a careful read of what I said would reveal that such a defense was unwarranted. I wasn&#8217;t saying Danica wasn&#8217;t able to compete, and my remark about her third place finish at Indy was tongue-in-cheek. After all, I&#8217;ve only gone 135mph on my Harley and that scared me to death! (I should have aligned the wheels better, but that&#8217;s another story). My point was that she reverted to type (as when she was a spokesmodel on Powerblock TV) and allowed herself to be marketed for her sex rather than stand firm on what would be an admirable record even for a guy. If you&#8217;re into old rock, it&#8217;d be like Bonnie Raitt saying, &#8220;I give up. No one respects me for my rockin&#8217; ability, so I&#8217;ll put the guitar down and pole dance.&#8221; Definitely a sad picture.</p>
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		<title>By: molybdanthan</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dratpatrol/2009/06/07/objectificationalive-and-well-unfortunately-for-women/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>molybdanthan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on what you&#039;ve written here, why didn&#039;t you also mention the Playboy &quot;hate-blank&quot; story?  Where ten woman who never disrobed for the cameras still became objectified entirely due to their political viewpoints.  That kind of selective harassment is troubling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on what you&#8217;ve written here, why didn&#8217;t you also mention the Playboy &#8220;hate-blank&#8221; story?  Where ten woman who never disrobed for the cameras still became objectified entirely due to their political viewpoints.  That kind of selective harassment is troubling.</p>
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		<title>By: gensec</title>
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		<dc:creator>gensec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I lament ... women like Danica Patrick, who don’t have the constitution to stand on their talent as, say, an Indy race car driver, but denigrate themselves by displaying to others that, “Hey, if I &lt;b&gt;can’t compete with the boys in a race car&lt;/b&gt; (and third place at Indy was not a win), I can at least display what I do (and they don’t) have, which is this sexy body”. In other words, &lt;b&gt;Danica, and women like her, are saying that they have nothing to offer as people&lt;/b&gt;, so they willingly concede that their only perceived value is that of an object- a thing to be used by others as they see fit.&lt;/i&gt;
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Now why would you go off on such a hateful bunch of trash talk about a nice Catholic girl like Danica (by conversion - though she never did a &quot;Catholic schoolgirl&quot; shoot that fixates you so), &lt;u&gt;when you yourself know that you never bothered to to take a minute Googling to get half a clue&lt;/u&gt; about what you were talking about? Is spewing your trash talk so dear to you, that you don&#039;t want to spoil your fun by checking the facts?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I have to wonder if any of the RS regulars are Indy Car fans, that nobody straightened you out before I got here. I&#039;ve heard the NASCAR cliches, but come on is that the only racing?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Your assertion that Danica Patrick &quot;can’t compete with the boys in a race car&quot; is factually absolute BS, which you would know if you had taken a couple of minutes to check your &quot;facts&quot; - unless you&#039;re going to use an absurd standard by which the vast majority of boys that Danica competes with in the Indy Racing League are even less able to &quot;compete with the boys&quot;.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Out of 20+ drivers who compete regularly in the Indy Racing League, Danica Patrick is currently 5th in the championship race (points from race finishes). Out of 6 races so far &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indycar.com/stats/driver_stats.php?year2009&amp;driver_id=259&quot;&gt;this season&lt;/a&gt;, she finished in the top 5 in four races, in the top 10 in five of the six races.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Danica Patrick competitive accomplishment is better than the vast majority of the &quot;boys&quot; in her races. What was your fixation that couldn&#039;t take a few minutes to learn this simple fact, instead of spewing your &quot;can&#039;t comptete with the boys&quot; nonsense?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
In auto racing as in other sports, only a small fraction of the participants are &quot;stars&quot; (who win most of the races). Then there are a large proportion of &quot;solid performers&quot;, and behind them a large proportion struggling to stay in the game. By her performance Danica Patrick is not a star, but in the upper tier of the &quot;solid performers&quot; competing better than most of the &quot;boys&quot;.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
You suggest that Danica Patrick has used her good looks to achive a position in auto racing not merited by her driving skills. Her performance on the track, better than most of the male drivers, shows she&#039;s earned her position regardless of gender or attractiveness.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Actually it&#039;s more like the opposite of your ignorant assumption. Sure Danica is hot, but not to the degree that would normally be required to be a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model. Rather than exploiting her looks for unfair advantage in racings as you suggest, what Patrick did was exploit her racing accomplishments to get to be a swimsuit model that she would otherwise be unqualified for by the normal requirements of attractiveness.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I asked what would compel you to spew such nonsense that Patrick &quot;can’t compete with the boys in a race car&quot; when it would have only taken a minute for you to see what nonsense it was. Maybe that was a rhetorical question, because I&#039;m pretty sure it was a simple kind of inference for your mindset:
&lt;br&gt;- Danica Patrick is hot (Well OK, maybe not necessarily bad)&lt;br&gt;- Danica enjoys being hot (Uh oh, getting dangerous)&lt;br&gt;- Danica uses her hotness to her advantage (Oh noooooooooooo!!!!!)&lt;br&gt;Ergo, Danica must be a worthless bimbo who &quot;can’t compete with the boys&quot;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Sure, Danica Patrick&#039;s good looks work to her advantage getting hired to endorse motor oil and internet services. So what? Should she insist on taking lower endorsement fees than they&#039;re offering her, because she doesn&#039;t want to take advantage of her attractiveness?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
While good looks help Patrick get endorsement deals, she wouldn&#039;t be getting them if she &quot;can’t compete with the boys in a race car&quot;. In the same racing series, I&#039;d say &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/_szfrMCVwNd/Indy+500+Photo+Opportunity+Media+Availability/OQ6eXJRGyxA/Milka+Duno&quot;&gt;Milka Duno&lt;/a&gt;, the Renaissance chick from Venzuela, is a lot hotter than Danica, but she isn&#039;t getting the endorsement contracts. That&#039;s because Duno&#039;s performance in Indy Racing hasn&#039;t measured up to her past successes as a model (a role she earned strictly on her merits, without unfairly exploiting racing skills like Danica did), naval engineer, sports car racer, etc.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I lament &#8230; women like Danica Patrick, who don’t have the constitution to stand on their talent as, say, an Indy race car driver, but denigrate themselves by displaying to others that, “Hey, if I <b>can’t compete with the boys in a race car</b> (and third place at Indy was not a win), I can at least display what I do (and they don’t) have, which is this sexy body”. In other words, <b>Danica, and women like her, are saying that they have nothing to offer as people</b>, so they willingly concede that their only perceived value is that of an object- a thing to be used by others as they see fit.</i><br />
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Now why would you go off on such a hateful bunch of trash talk about a nice Catholic girl like Danica (by conversion &#8211; though she never did a &#8220;Catholic schoolgirl&#8221; shoot that fixates you so), <u>when you yourself know that you never bothered to to take a minute Googling to get half a clue</u> about what you were talking about? Is spewing your trash talk so dear to you, that you don&#8217;t want to spoil your fun by checking the facts?
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I have to wonder if any of the RS regulars are Indy Car fans, that nobody straightened you out before I got here. I&#8217;ve heard the NASCAR cliches, but come on is that the only racing?
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Your assertion that Danica Patrick &#8220;can’t compete with the boys in a race car&#8221; is factually absolute BS, which you would know if you had taken a couple of minutes to check your &#8220;facts&#8221; &#8211; unless you&#8217;re going to use an absurd standard by which the vast majority of boys that Danica competes with in the Indy Racing League are even less able to &#8220;compete with the boys&#8221;.
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Out of 20+ drivers who compete regularly in the Indy Racing League, Danica Patrick is currently 5th in the championship race (points from race finishes). Out of 6 races so far <a href="http://www.indycar.com/stats/driver_stats.php?year2009&amp;driver_id=259">this season</a>, she finished in the top 5 in four races, in the top 10 in five of the six races.
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Danica Patrick competitive accomplishment is better than the vast majority of the &#8220;boys&#8221; in her races. What was your fixation that couldn&#8217;t take a few minutes to learn this simple fact, instead of spewing your &#8220;can&#8217;t comptete with the boys&#8221; nonsense?
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In auto racing as in other sports, only a small fraction of the participants are &#8220;stars&#8221; (who win most of the races). Then there are a large proportion of &#8220;solid performers&#8221;, and behind them a large proportion struggling to stay in the game. By her performance Danica Patrick is not a star, but in the upper tier of the &#8220;solid performers&#8221; competing better than most of the &#8220;boys&#8221;.
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You suggest that Danica Patrick has used her good looks to achive a position in auto racing not merited by her driving skills. Her performance on the track, better than most of the male drivers, shows she&#8217;s earned her position regardless of gender or attractiveness.
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Actually it&#8217;s more like the opposite of your ignorant assumption. Sure Danica is hot, but not to the degree that would normally be required to be a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model. Rather than exploiting her looks for unfair advantage in racings as you suggest, what Patrick did was exploit her racing accomplishments to get to be a swimsuit model that she would otherwise be unqualified for by the normal requirements of attractiveness.
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I asked what would compel you to spew such nonsense that Patrick &#8220;can’t compete with the boys in a race car&#8221; when it would have only taken a minute for you to see what nonsense it was. Maybe that was a rhetorical question, because I&#8217;m pretty sure it was a simple kind of inference for your mindset:<br />
<br />- Danica Patrick is hot (Well OK, maybe not necessarily bad)<br />- Danica enjoys being hot (Uh oh, getting dangerous)<br />- Danica uses her hotness to her advantage (Oh noooooooooooo!!!!!)<br />Ergo, Danica must be a worthless bimbo who &#8220;can’t compete with the boys&#8221;
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Sure, Danica Patrick&#8217;s good looks work to her advantage getting hired to endorse motor oil and internet services. So what? Should she insist on taking lower endorsement fees than they&#8217;re offering her, because she doesn&#8217;t want to take advantage of her attractiveness?
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While good looks help Patrick get endorsement deals, she wouldn&#8217;t be getting them if she &#8220;can’t compete with the boys in a race car&#8221;. In the same racing series, I&#8217;d say <a href="http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/_szfrMCVwNd/Indy+500+Photo+Opportunity+Media+Availability/OQ6eXJRGyxA/Milka+Duno">Milka Duno</a>, the Renaissance chick from Venzuela, is a lot hotter than Danica, but she isn&#8217;t getting the endorsement contracts. That&#8217;s because Duno&#8217;s performance in Indy Racing hasn&#8217;t measured up to her past successes as a model (a role she earned strictly on her merits, without unfairly exploiting racing skills like Danica did), naval engineer, sports car racer, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: wennejunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wennejunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall reading somewhere that nearly 100% of all sexual crime perpetrators had substantial quantities of hardcore porn at their homes after being apprehended.

The phrase went something like this: Not all who consume porn become sexual criminals, but all sexual criminals consume porn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall reading somewhere that nearly 100% of all sexual crime perpetrators had substantial quantities of hardcore porn at their homes after being apprehended.</p>
<p>The phrase went something like this: Not all who consume porn become sexual criminals, but all sexual criminals consume porn.</p>
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