Hoffman vs Daggett


As Doug Hoffman continues to surge in the NY-23 congressional race, the liberal establishment Republicans are continuing to peddle disingenuous defenses of their support for ACORN Republican Dede Scozzafava. The clowns at the NRCC are now comparing Doug Hoffman’s candidacy to Chris Daggett’s spoiler run for governor in New Jersey, which might cost Republican Chris Christie the election. They claim that just as conservatives are playing spoiler for Christie by running on ideological purism versus electoral realism, they are similarly deluding themselves in supporting Hoffman over Scozzafava. This argument is so preposterous and is false on every premise. Lets look at the facts:

1. There already has been a primary in New Jersey and Christie won it handily. Conservatives tried to win with Steve Lonegan and were unsuccessful. Frankly, I liked Lonegan and would have voted for him, but Christie won an election of Republican voters. If Daggett has such a big mouth and really represents conservatives he could have run in the primary. NY-23 was a different story. Being that this is a special election, there was no primary and the people never had a say in choosing their nominee. Scozzafava was picked by a few local party bosses with absolutely no transparency. This is what we are protesting with the Hoffman candidacy.

2. When choosing whether to run a conservative challenger against the “mainstream” establishment Republican candidate, it is very important to consider the demographics of the given electorate. New Jersey is a very Democrat state with a strong inertia against electing Republicans to statewide offices. NY-23 is a Republican district (not the most conservative, but definitely more Republican) and has elected a Republican to congress every time since the Civil War. While some might argue that it is less likely to succeed in electing a real conservative to statewide office in New Jersey, it is a natural fit for NY-23. In fact, if Scozzafava would just drop out Hoffman would crush the Democrat.

Furthermore, there is no way that we can succeed in New Jersey with a significant percentage of the Republican vote splitting two ways, but we can still win in NY-23 even with a split vote. Again, if the radical leftist Scozzafava would just drop out then we would definitely win. As for their claim that Hoffman cannot win, well there is a new poll out that actually has Hoffman leading everyone.

3. There is another egregious fallacy to the premise of this argument. The RNC is claiming that Scozzafava is like Christie while Hoffman is like Daggett. This cannot be farther from the truth. Scozzafava is not just a RINO. She is a Nancy Pelosi radical leftist who is supported by ACORN and the Daily Kooks blog. In fact, there is no assurance that she would even caucus with the Republicans. It is clear that with her super liberal record, there is no doubt that the Democrats would offer her incentives to be a powerful Congressman in the majority than a no name official in the minority. Christie on the other hand is about as conservative a candidate that we can get elected in New Jersey at this point. There are definitely flaws with Christie but at least he is against tax increases and is pro life. Despite his many flaws he is no Scozzafava. Christie might be a moderate but Scozzafava is a Pelosi/Obama Marxist. Also, we had a crack at it in the primary but unfortunately came up short.

Now let’s take a look at the other side of the equation. Chris Daggett is no Doug Hoffman. Hoffman is one of us. A true tea party leader, movement conservative, army veteran, businessman, and across the board rock solid conservative patriot. It is scandalous to compare Daggett to Hoffman. Daggett is an absolute social liberal, being pro abortion, pro embryonic stem cell research, and pro gay marriage.

Daggett is more like an Independent than a conservative. Even on other issues where he might claim to be conservative, he will never be a movement conservative. Anyway, I never trust someone who is so liberal on social issues to be so conservative on fiscal issues. I’ve seen that trick pulled off too many times with local candidates. So please. If I am going to play spoiler and vote for someone who will cause the Republican to lose let that guy be a real conservative like Doug Hoffman. It is also important to point out that New Jersey is an incumbent election. Therefore, Daggett is not only splitting the Republican/Conservative vote, but also the anti-incumbent vote as well.

We need to push back against these liberal Republicans. They are worse than the Democrats because they are preventing us from using the only viable political vehicle we have to succeed. The Democrats can’t effect our primaries and internal affairs. RINO’s can. Let’s help Doug Hoffman defeat all these liberals in one shot.



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There's no real downside to supporting Hoffman.

Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, October 26th at 6:55PM EST (link)

The only way we “lose” is if Scozzafava wins!

Look at it by comparing possible results, which is what I did here.

The NY-23 election is the ideal venue to prove our contention that voters approve conservatives, not Republicans, so Republicans need to appreciate and promote their conservative members.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 

Daggett

Daniel Horowitz (Diary) Monday, October 26th at 10:46PM EST (link)

I forgot to mention that Daggett was endorsed by the Sierra club.

 

It seems pretty simple to me

SirGladiator (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 7:19AM EST (link)

In each case, you simply support the best candidate. In NY, thats the 3rd party guy, in NJ thats the Republican guy. It has nothing to do with who ‘can win’, since Id still be supporting Christie and Hoffman even if they were at 5% and had no chance to win. Of course the fact that they’re both either leading or super close to it makes it much nicer :) . But if Newt Gengrich or anybody else wants to still give blind party loyalty to the party that gave us the biggest deficits and debt of all time (until Obama topped them) then they’re free to do so, but not me. I want real Conservative leadership, and we’re not going to get Conservative leadership so long as we keep voting for liberals just because they’ve got an R beside their name.

 

Asbury Park Press Exposes Daggett

tedpomeroy (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 7:39AM EST (link)

Stalking horse for Corzine!

http://www.politickernj.com/matt-friedman/34516/daggett-pushes-back-against-conspiracy-theory

 

Rush

Daniel Horowitz (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 1:40PM EST (link)

Wow. I was just listening to Rush and he was articulating some of these points. Had Rush been in yesterday I probably wouldn’t have needed to write this post.

I understand that Rush's fill in Mark Davis

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 8:03PM EST (link)

talked about Daggett as a conservative alternative. With all of the corruption that has been exposed in NJ, and the recent conviction of a Corzine supporter for fraud, why would I not be surprised at all if Corzine actually did get Daggett to run, and, to promote anti-Corzine policies, just to steal the election for his former boss Corzine. Everyone knows that in “most” cases, anyone running on anything near to R policies, will steal votes away from the R candidate. Corzine got elected because he promised New Jersians that he would lower their property taxes, he didn’t deliver. He now has an R spoiler to promise relief for the overbearing property taxes. This is the biggest issue for NJ voters. Daggett gets enough votes, from the overtaxed voters, Christie loses, and Corzine sits once again on his corrupt throne.

As others have said here, NJ deserves what that vote for. I do have big worries for the NJ race. If Daggett can’t do it for Corzine, ACORN will. I can speak to NJ issues, as I lived there for 25 years, until I ran away from the taxes, and the traffic congestion.

 
 

daggett is no conservative

dudette Wednesday, October 28th at 11:33AM EST (link)

he is spoiler — I am sure Corzine helped him. But even NJ residents can’t be so stupid as to commit hari kari by voting for a 3rd party candidate who really sonds ridiculous. I heard his interview on Hugh Hewitt and Daggett comes across as a closet Corzine supporter—refusing to call Corzine corrupt, refusing to condemn Corzine”s affair with a colleauge or lobbyist i can’t remember and don’t care—-but Daggett if given sufficient airtime would kill his own campaign. Hewitt mopped the florr with the perp.

 

Daggett is basically a Democrat

brooklynsteel Wednesday, October 28th at 12:00PM EST (link)

I find the post interesting, but Christie is far more Conservative than the author presents.

Also, Daggett is just like a Democrat.

Although I do support Hoffman in the NY23RD, I find the overall debasing of the vast majority of the sound conservatives in the Republican Party rather juvenile and self destructive.

I disagree strongly with the author, with the suggestion the moderate Rhinos are worse than the Democrats.

NO, the source of the problem we face is with the Democrat Partisan fashion, and small amount of the Rhinos in the GOP is a product of those blowing with the wind.

Win some elections with the Republicans, and watch those wind blowers slowly embrace a more conservative agenda.

Also, nothing will ever be perfect, but power is essential. Blocking a Democrat from power is simply needed today. Conservatives believe in limited government, partly due to the imperfections of human beings. Sometimes the conservatives debase their own interests by being so demanding. It can be helpful to push sound policy, but the overt hyperbolic nature can become self destructive.

The misguided conceptions of “laying down” due to some sincere juvenile mindsets prior to the 2006 midterms, not only empowered the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Clinton, etc., it gave rise to the disastrous John McCain.

You simply cannot cede power like this…

Christie is a far better candidate than the author suggests.

One can only hope he wins in a State overwhelmed by the fashionable bigotry towards anyone opposed to the corrupt Democratic Party Machine.

You missed the point

Daniel Horowitz (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 3:56PM EST (link)

I agree that in situation like NJ we should support Christie. I agree that Christie is good on many issues and he has some faults. I am reffering to the RINO’s that run in places that are clearly Republican like NY-23. With these jerks it has nothing to do with creating a broad majority for conservative principles. Its about electing Democrats. These are the clowns who are empowering pelosi and Reid not us. They run weak leftist candidates in places where conservatives can easily win. You missed the whole point. How about the RINO bloodbath of Bush Sr., Dole, and McCain. It is the nomination of these liberal losers who blur the distinction between us and the rats who hand over power to the Democrats.

 
 

election day polling

patsw Thursday, October 29th at 12:04PM EST (link)

It will be interesting to see if voters would have picked Corzine or Christie were Daggett not in the race.