Comments on: Redstate Has Become Bot Central — We Need A Moratorium

By: jerry38

jerry38 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:46:29 +0000

By: Aaron Gardner

Aaron Gardner — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:27:08 +0000

some principles were added or re-worded.

That said the resulting 10 Principles* are definitive enough for me. If followed they would return the Republican party to what it should be.

* EPU would beat me savagely if I didn’t link to Kirks principles….he is a cruel lord.

By: Swamp_Yankee

Swamp_Yankee — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:16:04 +0000

Kirk has become almost incompatable wth the modern Republican Party. Its too bad. I prefer his brand as well.

But his principles were not static. They changed numerous times throughout the course of his career.

By: Aaron Gardner

Aaron Gardner — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:07:05 +0000

you can read it here.

I will read and comment on yours.

By: jerry38

jerry38 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:02:40 +0000

Thanks for the comment. As it happens, I have attempted to articulate base conservative principles in this post

http://www.redstate.com/jerry38/2009/05/02/valley-forge-project/

Under the heading “principles.” These are a combination of statements from Russel Kirk, Glen Beck, myself and probably some others that I forget.

Of course my definition of conservatisim doesn’t get us any closer to consenus on defining conservatism for the movement. I believe we should come to such a consensus at least at a core level.

By: Aaron Gardner

Aaron Gardner — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:54:12 +0000

I don’t support banning the discussion, just the individuals who do nothing to contribute to that discussion. If a few people get caught in the net they can always appeal via the contact form, many people have been reinstated, to include Neil Stevens who is now a moderator.

The point being that if you pick-off the extreme offenders quickly at the beginning they won’t be able to dominate the entire site causing us to lose focus on 2010.

You seem like a reasonable guy, and I think with all things considered you and David would probably agree in the end on this.

By: jerry38

jerry38 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:42:07 +0000

Going to take the mountain bikes this year as my oldest is getting into it and my wife put the nix on taking the boat up. If you’ve biked the Boyne area let me know what you think.

By: jerry38

jerry38 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:35:44 +0000

and I get that for those who spend a lot more time here they probably experience a lot more annoyance than I do, becuase I just shy away from Palin diaries that seem redundant. But I do think from my experience that once you go down that road of banning discussion, a quick draw mentality sets in and simple supporters will be labeled bots and the distinction that you mention will be blurred to the detriment of open dialogue. I also fully agree with your statement:

“We don’t need to make Palin’s life into the Life of Brian, we just need to let Palin do her thing and support her when she is right. When she is wrong we should try to correct her, just like every other person we choose to represent us.”

And my two cents is she needs to take 6 mos or so and learn the national issues and develop her style of speaking to the issues. I believe that to cut through the media a conservative leader must be able to deliver persusaive answers and speeches on conservative issues that go beyond regurgitation of talking points. Reagan could do this. Clinton could do this. Palin to this point has not been able to do this.

So I also agree with the general notion that I would hope not to hear too much from her for a little while, but I still don’t agree with banning discussion.

By: David Hinz

David Hinz — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:16:41 +0000

for someone who has been on this site for the length of time you have been here…

…or did you merely read the Cliff Notes in the comments?

By: Achance

Achance — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:09:04 +0000

I like her a lot, though I think she’s risking her future by being the spear point. She has a bunch of spineless men who are more than happy to have her say and do things they don’t have the courage for and they’ll drop her like a hot rock.

By: David Hinz

David Hinz — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:45:47 +0000

the bunny was for me — I took a day away from the site to… get away from the site. At times I think I need a prolonged sabbatical from this place… and I suspect a number of posters here would agree!

As for Harbor Springs — one of my favorite places to bike through — they used to have a wonderful ice cream parlor there…

By: Aaron Gardner

Aaron Gardner — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:29:12 +0000

There is a clear difference. One can be effective and useful in the movement, the other isn’t usually. Furthermore RS already has plenty of Palin supporters, even though we are all watching and waiting to see what is going to happen.

If you think sending bots out to other websites is good for the movement go for it, but here at RS the bots will simply turn off people who are already supporters of Palin.

We don’t need to make Palin’s life into the Life of Brian, we just need to let Palin do her thing and support her when she is right. When she is wrong we should try to correct her, just like every other person we choose to represent us.

By: Steph C

Steph C — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:28:48 +0000

I’m just picking on Art… just because he’s so loveable. You know, in the polar bear sort of way,

By: mbecker908

mbecker908 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:55:40 +0000

I’d take Blackburn.

By: Scope

Scope — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:48:31 +0000

and you are correct when you say that because someone supports someone else, they are automatically a “bot.” I then can be considered a Fredhead-bot, because I passionately supported/support him and his Federalist ideas. Because he didn’t win the nomination, doesn’t mean that I have changed my opinion of him in any way, as he is still a Federalist.

On Redstate, we are all made aware of those considered to be “good conservative candidates” that are running in areas of the country where we have no knowledge of the candidate or his/her positions on the issues. So, does that mean that if we choose to support Rubio, we are Rubio-bots or Toomey-bots?

I particularly like your sentence-

“But I do think we are making the tent too small when we start alienating other conservatives simply because they are overzealous in their support of a particular candidate.”

My only question with that is- What is a “Conservative”, as it seems that that line in the sand has not yet been drawn, it keeps moving, even among those that consider themselves Conservatives?

By: Steph C

Steph C — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:34:05 +0000

Sometimes the homecoming queen is more than a homecoming queen.

Marsha Blackburn, for one?

By: Achance

Achance — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:58:21 +0000

on politicians. It’s not despise, detest, or even contemptuousness either, because I do have a certain admiration for her ability to manipulate people, especially weak-minded people.

Sarah Palin is the pretty, popular girl who always got what she wanted. It is inconceivable to her that she would not get what she wants. It is inconceivable to her that anyone would question her. Todd shares a lot of the same character; visualize the Alaska version of the quarterback of a high school football team that won state in Texas – and he’s married to the home-coming queen. If you explore some of the dumb-a** things she’s done as Governor, you’ll find Todd’s fine hand.

It is a good thing for me that les majeste is not a crime these days. I’m just not as impressed with Sarah Palin as she and her admirers are. From the moment I met her, I considered her to be a fake and a lightweight. She’s pretty, and that meant she didn’t have to read those old heavy books. Sorry, folks, but the Sarah Palin that Kouric interviewed is pretty much the real Sarah Palin. Now that she’s caught a little Hell over it, she’s discovered books and newspapers; when you want to be President, pretty isn’t enough.

By: Flagstaff

Flagstaff — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:48:04 +0000

mid-October, 2012. Make a note.

By: redneck_hippie

redneck_hippie — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:07:22 +0000

Both pro- and anti-bots need to redirect their energy to crucial 2010 races.

Let superfluous diaries and posts die due to lack of comments/recos.

By: JLenardDetroit

JLenardDetroit — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:02:12 +0000

yep, that is all it was/is…. Careful worrding about “Contract considerations” like “competitive bidding” were/are (and will continue to be in future legislation) offset by the term “extent possible.” Of course, in the Democrats minds it is “not possible” because everything is hurry, hurry, rush, rush, the sky is falling, and therefore these HANDOUTS (er… I mean, of course, “Stimulus Contracts”) go to the firms closely allied with the Democrats and/or Unions for kickbacks/paybacks/etc…. D $ Laundering – Dem. Money Laundering (PC excuses to $pend)