The militarization of ObamaCare? (See this FOX News video of Judge Napolitano on this unknown provision of ObamaCare.)
Why haven’t you heard about this before?
Well, there were no debates, no hearings, no speeches on the floor, or in Committee — but ObamaCare creates a military corp — in an airdropped Section of the ObamaCare law signed by the One.
So, what does the law say (in part):
Sec. 203(b) states: “all individuals classified as officers in the Reserve Corps under this section … shall be deemed to be commissioned officers of the Regular Corps.”
Sec. 203(c)(2)(B) states: “The Ready Reserve Corps shall be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel.”
(The Soviet Union and the Nazis, just for the record, had military doctor corps too.)
Judge Andrew P. Napolitano describes this section of the law as vague, and which uses the same legislative language used to describe U.S. troops.
In short, Napolitano uses the word “scary” multiple times to describe this provision of law.
Medicine at the point of a gun? Wait, it’s the Fed-Meds.
Ve have vays of making you take your medicine! Unnt, you vill like it.
OK, OK, OK — so after I wrote this I found out that the section of law that this provision is in is not the U.S. military section, meaning, that I should have researched the Judge’s comments more before posting this, but hey, I took his word for it.
But it was a fun post (for me at least) while it lasted.
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Well Pelosi did say it had to be passed to "see what was in it"...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 5:29PM EST (link)of course what is in it is the SOCIALIZATION of America!
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Do not answer census
hufflarry2000 Wednesday, April 7th at 7:04PM EST (link)Who let this moron in?
izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:09PM EST (link)Most libs can’t answer the census because they cannot read or write.
The government already knows where everyone is….
And now they know how stupid hufflarry 2000 is.
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sorry, you seem to be lost
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:12PM EST (link)try another site
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Fair enough and close enough
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 5:39PM EST (link)n/t
I suppose the Docs' families will be held hostage
Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 5:48PM EST (link)in the time honored mobster tradition.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Thug backgrounds...
emmi (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 8:58PM EST (link)I agree! The left Chicago mob is in our WH,and we need to show them the right side in Nov.
No, the Chicago Machine is in the WH
merryj1 Thursday, April 8th at 5:56AM EST (link)The Chicago Mob is (comparatively) honorable and honest. Crooked, yeah, but they don’t lie about it.
oh how bad could it be
bannor Wednesday, April 7th at 6:00PM EST (link)as long as we don’t have a pandemic or an out break of smallpox or something.
Or ANY 'national emergency'
eastbaylarry (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:37PM EST (link)and my money says that we WILL have such an emergency before Nov 2012. A good radical will “never let an emergency go to waste” and if no convenient emergency is available, they can always MAKE one.
2+2=4 dammit!
Any National Emergency.
weatherford Thursday, April 8th at 2:38AM EST (link)Sure covers a lot of ground.
When powers ebbs, the dog is wagged by its tail.
Many thanks for getting streitt to the real point. Maybe he’ll finally get it.
Or ANY 'national emergency'
eastbaylarry (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:37PM EST (link)and my money says that we WILL have such an emergency before Nov 2012. A good radical will “never let an emergency go to waste” and if no convenient emergency is available, they can always MAKE one.
2+2=4 dammit!
Man, it's good to hear from you. A lot of these folks just can't perceive what a blind man could see.
weatherford Thursday, April 8th at 2:26AM EST (link)When power is ebbing away, the tail ALWAYS wags the dog.
But what is going on here? I saavy observer throws out a very interesting bit of potentially crucial information, and gets jumped by every lilliputian on the block.
Ghee, he cant spell, his grammars bad, he doesn’t use parallel structure, if he alliterates, it’s just random chance … you know what, no one wins a war throwing dictionaries. They are won shoting real bullets.
Eastbaylarry, thanks for summarizing perfectly the main point.
Factcheck has an article on this.
IL_Glock21 (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 6:03PM EST (link)I realize there are a lot of opinions on their bias, but it’s probably worth checking out anyways: http://factcheck.org/2010/04/obamas-private-army/
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Pelosi will remain
hufflarry2000 Wednesday, April 7th at 7:06PM EST (link)Pelosi will remain as majority leader and there is nothing you teabaggin freaks can do about it. You should move farther to the right and we will crush you again
hufflarry2000, i see you have resorted to the typical liberal argument
Lloyd Davis (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:26PM EST (link)When pushed, call people names. I grew out of that in the 1st grade.
How about you?
It's all they know..
emmi (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 9:00PM EST (link)They know loud protests,,attacks and no they will never change from their grade school ways..Its really pathetic for libs sad too.
I see someone let the leftist in
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:41PM EST (link)and now we need to show him the door. I see you blew your cover and now it’s time for banning.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
LOL, thats the best you can do? (nt)
Return to Revolution (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:50PM EST (link)Out of hand Constitutional fetishist
Other than Steny Hoyer is the majority leader
Jeff Weimer (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 8:29PM EST (link)Everything you wrote is wrong.
And I like your earlier “don’t answer census” comment. Is that a joke? You do realize that, even though there is some talk about a few people on our side not answering the census for misguided reasons, we actually have a HIGHER return rate than your side does? Which means (and I DO have to spell it out to your evidently ignorant mind) we will have a statistically better chance to to electorally own your ass. I’ll see you in November – and in 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, and 2020.
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Not quite...
merryj1 Thursday, April 8th at 6:08AM EST (link)Pelosi has never been the Majority Leader, so she’ll hardly have a chance to “remain” as such. Her constituents are San Francisco voters (which a lot of actual “teabaggin’ freaks” call ‘home’), so she might retain a House seat but she will not likely retain the Speaker gaval.
"Classified as Officers"
snowshooze (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 6:13PM EST (link)Seems to be a pretty broad stroke of the brush to me..yes, I read the fact check, however I see no reason to relax…
Seems to already be the case...
IL_Glock21 (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 6:19PM EST (link)From the USPHS website physicians in the program are already classified as officers. This adds an IRR addition to the current active and reserve commissioned officers of the program from what I can tell. I never heard about any of this until today with this post and the factcheck article popping up in my RSS reader. So I could be entirely wrong. But I’m worried that the nazi comparisons if this turns out to be nothing could be embarrassing.
Just my 2 cents for what it’s worth.
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Factcheck is a liberal group posing as neutral
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:18PM EST (link)The day I trust them is the day lion lies down with the lamb
Truly, they are posers.
He wanted a military
wolfster38 (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 6:14PM EST (link)“A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.”
The Declaration of Independence
St. Joseph's Baby Nazism
msctex (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 6:24PM EST (link)I know it has to start somewhere. But we aren’t post WWI Germany, pushing wheelbarrows of worthless cash to buy a loaf of bread. These idiots are the last gasp of a dying ideology, the death rattle of the Cold War and all it really represented. They will go out with a bang, but one of implosion.
What they will never be able to overcome is that we are not only within living memory of how good it can be, but still essentially quite functional. We still go to work, and believe in the Value of the dollar. There is still food on the supermarket shelves, and airplanes full of people on business leaving almost every minute of every day. What they are trying to inflict upon us would require a desperate populace, eager for someone or something to hate and blame, and modern technology allows too much interaction amongst us all for the necessary lie to ever be fomented on a large enough scale.
We simply are not damaged enough for Barry, Nancy, Christopher and Barney to achieve their goals. We are slightly wounded, but nowhere near beaten to the point they would need us to be. The country is indignant, not afraid. They are but a thorn in the paw, to be removed in November. So we will continue to watch closely and point out every example of the attempt, such as the object of this thread. That is the price we pay for the time in which we happen to live.
Constant vigilance during the day. But they just aren’t worth losing any sleep over.
How many more steps towards dictatorship?
eastbaylarry (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:48PM EST (link)How many before we ARE suseptible? Should we wait until we have no options left?
To not oppose these moves is to approve of them.
2+2=4 dammit!
They haven't the stamina nor a proper map.
msctex (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 8:24PM EST (link)As I said above, we need only to keep doing exactly what we are doing, and pointing out the path they are on at the top of our lungs. The number of steps, to me, is not nearly so important as they path they are on, the number of impediments between them and what they truly seek, and the enormity of the collapse which would be required for them to actually achieve it. For them to get what they want, the Bill of Rights would need be done away with entirely. Congress is at a 28% or so approval rating, just by passing this cobbled together mishmash of a pretend Health Care Bill. Imagine what the response would be were they to even propose coming for peoples’ guns, or to try and shut down talk radio or Fox News. At at this point, even a solid hint of the former would cause there to be an audible cocking sound across the country.
Our obligation, to ourselves and to our future, is to make what they do as obvious and as apparent as humanly possible. I honestly believe the rest cannot help but take care of itself, due to the incompetence of the practitioners, and the utter non-functionality of the ideas involved. They put water in gas tanks, and get angry when the car doesn’t move. It is cause for outrage and disgust, but not fear.
Really: Barry, Nancy, Christopher and Barney. Take a long, hard look at the enemy. I am amazed every day at what they do. But the results will be felt in November. We live under a miraculous system compared to the rest of the world, even to our most civilized European brethren. It is worthy of faith, given the aforementioned opposition.
November soon come.
The Left has enormous stamina, a clear roadmap, intellect, and flexibility.
weatherford Thursday, April 8th at 9:24AM EST (link)All of what you say concerning the character and fiber of Americans was likely true in 1941, and it would be great if it were true now, But, look around, it is not.
The difference is an immense demographic shift, a total loss of public morality, the feminization of a formerly virile culture, and an the final effects of a system of education that inculcates timidity.
Please dont take this as defeatism. We can win. But except at a pep rally, it is a far more dangerous mistake to overestimate your own power than to underestimate your enemies.
Put another way, the fighting caste on which you rely is still here, but it has already been almost fatally damaged. What was a majority is now a distinct minority.
You tend to ignore also the problem we have in being leaderless or “led” by posturing fops like Mitch. Our own officer corps is on the golf course and has lost the ability or the authority to command.
The leadership of the American Revolution was nothing less than extraordinary in culture, background, cunning, literate, and perpetually determine. But of greatest importance, they esteemed personal, physical bravery, and would face death in battle as a natural obligation of their class.
Ours officers in WWII were of the same mettle, but something was lost along the way. The notion that the highest calling was to lead in combat faded and has all but vanished.
But in many ways, I think you are correct. The flaw in your thesis is that you seem to feel it is enough that the foot soldiers are ready. But you fail to see that they have no Captains.
As to the visible leadership of the enemy, here again what you say is true. They are a pitiful lot. But they are pawns, mere skirmishers and totally expendible.
No, would that your confidence was well founded, but we have not even begun to understand the relentless beast we pretend to fight.
Small arms waved by a leaderless mass is nothing but an invitation to mass slaughter by effectively led and properly equipped formations.
Your trust in the militia is commendable but one I cannot share. Too much is at stake.
You assume a split. . .
msctex (Diary) Thursday, April 8th at 12:22PM EST (link)between the “militia” whose existence you propose (I didn’t; I do not believe things will disintegrate to that degree, so its formation will not be necessary) and apparently the US Military. You can envision a day when Barrack Obama will call upon the US Military to fire upon the people it is charged to protect. People the soldiers are related to, grew up with, date, marry, and share a language. It won’t be some crackpot preacher in Waco holed up in a survivalist Alamo; what you propose would take place in neighborhoods, full of children and the elderly.
We didn’t win WWII out of the gate. We suffered defeats, and it took time for the country to find its footing and do what it took to win. This era is no different: the problem must manifest fully and be acknowledged, then the steps can be taken to solve it. Polls strongly indicate we are well on our way. While I will acknowledge the possibility of Obama giving the order to fire, I do not believe for a second it would be fully carried out.
And why? Put as simply as I can conceive, because Barrack Obama offers nothing remotely worth fighting for, much less slaughtering innocent people over. “Hope and Change” might have gotten the fool elected, but it won’t be something soldiers can use as a rallying cry as they shoot up THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS, with American flags flying all around them. Nothing is inconceivable in this day and age. But there is still the concept of likelihood, and Barry has been far too exposed as what he truly is, to engender the sort of stone blind mechanical loyalty this would require. Soldiers’ Values and Morality do not evaporate just because they are in a system based upon hierarchy. Hell, if anything it will be our saving grace: somewhere down or up the line, you’re going to hit someone who will just say no.
You are right in that we should not underestimate the enemy, and that Barry, Nancy, Christopher and Barney are meaningless pawns. But I think we do have a pretty good grasp upon the nature of the true enemy; what we need to do is acknowledge the scope of its influence and pervasiveness in our culture. But the absolute bottom line remains the same: their ideas don’t work. Never have, never will. And they will have to bring us to our knees before they can even begin to implement their ideas, which again, don’t work.
November, soon come.
so what?
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 6:26PM EST (link)The US Public Health Service has had a corps of commissioned officers for 150 years.
In a worst case scenario, there is no authority in the bill to draft doctors into this organization.
I just don’t see why this is an issue in light of everything else that we know is wrong with the health care take over.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Carrying gun with U.S. military rank?
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:22PM EST (link)And if it for a domestic emergency, why is the new corps part of the U.S. military?
Which, btw, are banned from domestic police actions?
first
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:48PM EST (link)there is nothing in the bill about “carrying a gun” that is just b.s.
I looked the bill up and all it does is integrate the current reserve corps of the USPHS commissioned corps into the regular corps.
Nothing here says anything about this “corps” being part of the US military. If it were it would be an amendment to Title 10 USC not part of the health care bill.
Second, get a clue about your subject. USPHS commissioned corps officers carry the same rank as officers in the armed forces, they use the same uniforms and rank insignia and ranks as the US Navy. Why do you think the US Surgeon General wears a uniform.
USPHS is not banned from federal law enforcement activities. Any terrorist attack in the US, or major disease outbreak, is going to have USPHS commissioned officers on site.
Don’t forget, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also has a commissioned corps.
You really should retract this story. It is just wrong on all counts.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Thank you
SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:54PM EST (link)steiff
Thank you for doing the research on this topic. It’s a good thing to deal with facts, and you have presented those facts on this matter.
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Thanks for explaining this...
IL_Glock21 (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 8:41PM EST (link)…here and in your other comments. This was the impression I had from the websites I saw, but given I’d never heard of this before, I wasn’t sure if that impression was accurate. That makes a lot more sense.
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A few questions, streiff
Jack_Savage (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 8:58PM EST (link)To help my understanding:
1) Why does the excerpt of the bill you reference say “Establishing” a Ready Reserve Corp when, according to you and others, there is one already in existence? Is that just legal jargon?
2) If there is indeed an existing Ready Reserve Corp, can they be pressed into involuntary service as Dan’s excerpt above seems to indicate? If so, is that a change from exisiting policy?
3) Is there any restriction on how the President can appoint members of this Corp? In other words, is it voluntary or can he institute a kind of draft if a health care emergency is declared?
Wrong on all counts? You, dear sir, are the pompous know-it-all who just doesn't get it.
weatherford Wednesday, April 7th at 9:57PM EST (link)The provisions are inherently noxious on serveral points.
I’ll start with one and finish my work on corecting your myopia later and in full.
For openers, as you must surely know, the fact the relevant provision do not amend Title 10 is totally immaterial.
Any amendment to any part of the U.S. Code carries the force of law throughout the entire code and what Title is ammended is strickly a clerical matter AND NOT ONE DAMN THING ELSE.
If you still dont understand take a quick look at 42 U.S.C. Section 1983 and note, dear sir, that IT IS NOT AN AMENDMENT TO TITLE 28. Yet it is one of the most potent causes of action (and remedies) jurisdictionally availaible in both federal and state court.
Don’t try your sort of distortion on folks who may know federal law and how it is made, plus service in combat, a hell of a lot better than you. You aren’t misleading me, and I am going to make certain you don’t mislead anyone else.
More to follow. Count on it.
That was unwise. [nt]
Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 10:00PM EST (link)“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
But it should make for some good entertainment.
Brian Simpson (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 10:33PM EST (link)I’ll get the popcorn.
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Bless his heart
Jack_Savage (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 11:19PM EST (link)I was kinda pulling for him when he first got here, too. Oh well.
Bless your heart.
weatherford Thursday, April 8th at 11:09AM EST (link)I am still pulling for you, Jack.
I am glad about that
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, April 8th at 10:26PM EST (link)Someone sure needs to.
Streiff's right
Fla Mom (Diary) Thursday, April 8th at 12:04AM EST (link)Judge Napolitano is very smart, but not on this subject. I watched the video, and it’s a hoot if you already know something about the subject.
9/11 and especially the anthrax attack made everyone realize that we don’t have any excess capacity for a public health response to a large event. This legislation is meant to help alleviate the problem of, for example, current ‘active duty’ Public Health Service officers being on frequent call for ‘deployment’ to emergencies, e.g., Katrina, etc. They even go on the Navy hospital ships on their now-routine cruises to provide health care and show the flag. Rather than have their primary mission go un-done while the active duty folks are gone, these extra folks, the ready reserve, could be called upon.
And, as said elsewhere, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines don’t walk around armed unless they’re military police, etc. Especially health care folks – lucky to get time at the range at all, where one gets hold of the ammo and weapon on the firing line, not before.
Fla Mom
I recall another curious law passed by the pre-1994 Clinton congress
H (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 8:56PM EST (link)authorizing HHS agents to carry firearms. Quite ominous at the time, lots of TFH oriented discussion, but, hey, it was the Clinton administration,you couldn’t be too paranoid. It blew over, there was so much more after that… Branch Davidians, Lewinsky, the impeachment trial. Anyway, as near as I could tell from some quickie online research, the HHS carry law was likely intended to equip an FDA enforcement sub-agency formed in the early 90′s and given LEO status to go after smugglers and counterfeiters.
However it unfolds, its always smart to question yet another big government agency with the authority to ruin your day.
What you have recalled is an important factor in understanding the substantive implications of the HCR law in its changes to the structure of the U.S. Public Health Service.
weatherford Thursday, April 8th at 12:35AM EST (link)Here again streiff either avoids, bypasses, or simply misses the point.
The U.S. Public Health Service (USPHS) is a quasi-military organization with powers not unlike those accorded the Armed Forces under conditions of martial law. In a major health emergency, say in those arising from a foreign power’s biological or chemical attack on the United States, the powers of the USPHS and the Armed Forces are in large measure indistinguishable and coextensive.
That is why the original author who brought the matter to the attention of this site saw with instinctive clarity what this purportedly minor matter actually portends and recognized its underlying statist purpose.
So, what difference does it make that the USPHS ready reserve corps is by legislative slight of hand changed fundamentally? Jack Savage, through his questions to streitt, hits or hints at the crux of the issue.
First, the USPHS commissioned officers of the Regular Corps cannot be commissioned (and appointed as such) except by the advise and with the consent of the United States Senate. In the Ready Reserve Corps a “commissioned” officer need only be appointed DIRECTLY by the President.
No big deal. Well it is a very big deal and the linchpen to recognizing why this seemingly minor change was buried in a bill approaching 3000 pages in length.
This change alone allows Obama to rule at whim the USPHS — WITH NO REAL CHECK ON ITS COMPOSITION OR UTILIZATION.
In the Armed Forces, every officer knows that his commission depends on the prior approval of the Senate and that all significant promotions hinge on repeated Senate consent — eac step of the way. Now their may be those of you who think this factor is merely pro-forma and has no bearing on an military officer’s career. If so, you are flat wrong. I suspect there are several on this site who have seen more than one Senator look in detail at a promotion list or been required to examine a list and report back to a Senator. Trust me, it is done regularly, and if one name or other pops up, why then the entire list is held up until the nominee or nominees are striken.
So that power is taken away from the Senate, and I doubt that one single Republican Senator understood that the power was being stripped.
What does it mean? To get the point nailed home, it means Hussein CAN appoint whomever he choses to the USPHS Reserve Corps (yes, including SEIU thugs) without facing the check of the Senate AND those so appointed will automatically be integrated into the Regular Corps AS IF THEY HAD BEEN CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE BUT WITHOUT BEING CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE.
I hesitate to insult the participants on this site with further unnecessary detail.
If the implications of that change are not crystal clear, I am wasting breath.
Now there is the further matter of giving the President the power to call up the whole lot for ANY EMERGENCY, and I will address that soon enough.
Finally, for this installment, for those who have not yet made the connection,
consider all this in light of Hussein’s elimination of our country’s nuclear deterrent in the small matter of our very numerous foreign enemies who do not have atomic weapons but would like to inflict on us mass causualties.
More to follow. Count on it, streitt.
Don't call him "Hussein".
Bill S (Diary) Thursday, April 8th at 10:21AM EST (link)And I’d calm down if I were you.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
"Hussein" doesn't calm me ... nor do you.
weatherford Thursday, April 8th at 11:20AM EST (link)I am attempting to defend a reasonable position taken by the one man on this site who has the guts to take on the enemy toe-to-toe. When did you do that last?
I win.
Bill S (Diary) Thursday, April 8th at 4:23PM EST (link)You lose.
Bye, dipwad.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Retract it?
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:56PM EST (link)I assume you have seen the video of the Judge?
And why have a corp designed with legislative language for the military if they are not going to armed, or give them military rank?
Your assertions are based on your view of your reading of the language.
Until the executive branch or a court interprets it, to imply that this post should be retracted is just out there man, really.
I guess the Judge should retract his statement on FOX too?
Or are you against Posse Comitatus?
not my reading
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 8:17PM EST (link)I’m sorry if calling you out on the b.s. post has made your beclowning more painful.
“Judge” Napolitano is hardly an authority on anything other than NJ state law. I work with Title 42 officers every day and have for a decade. I can also read which apparently gives me an advantage in this argument.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Does it really matter if it's not Title 10?
mschmitt (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 9:17PM EST (link)I’m sorry — I realize that I’m not an expert in these matters — but I’d like to join the beclowning, as I am missing the point of this argument.
A paramilitary “civilian” corps has been mentioned by this President before. Where would such officers be commissioned? Certainly not under Title 10. Even IRS agents can now procure and carry shotguns.
usque ad finem
Um...
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 9:50PM EST (link)Maybe you’d better define what you mean by “paramilitary?”
What exactly do you mean by that?
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Looks like and smells like?
mschmitt (Diary) Thursday, April 8th at 12:16AM EST (link)If it wasn’t obvious, I was referencing the establishment of a “civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the US military.
usque ad finem
Just as well funded?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, April 8th at 12:25AM EST (link)Heh.
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Incidentally, I'm not making that up ;)
mschmitt (Diary) Thursday, April 8th at 12:32AM EST (link)http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/07/another_inconvenient_truth_dow_1.html
usque ad finem
that's not the point, that's an old source
Veronica (Diary) Thursday, April 8th at 1:05AM EST (link)and the civilian national security force isn’t coming through doctors.
it’ll be through your neighbor who narcs on you.
trying finding current analysis. the guy’s been in office for over a year now.
might be right under you nose, look harder.
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Neil, I kinda like the term "Brownshirts." It tends to make the point too many are determined not to see.
weatherford Thursday, April 8th at 1:20AM EST (link)Let me take it a step further, if no one else dares to tread the obvious path.
Best I know, throughout history no tyrant has seized power without his own paramilitary, quasi-military, private police, Army from Gaul, or whatever … and his own emergency.
Since it seems to be fashionalble in the new District of Columbia, I’ll give a specific example by quoting Chairman Mao: “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”
Oh sure, way too extreme — but it worked in Kenya, Indonesia, China, and so on.
It would be great if the inarticulate but brilliant mind that spotted this one was wrong. But what if he is right?
The statutory language is now firmly in place — all that is lacking is ANY NATIONAL EMERGENCY. May I suggest to you the Reichstag Fire?
The new law is operative. Are we?
How many unarmed, on duty U.S. military officers
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 7:58PM EST (link)do you know?
Daily or ?
SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 8:06PM EST (link)Most if not all military officers and enlisted troops I encounter on a daily basis are not armed. If they are in a duty status that requires arming, like guard duty, security forces or in a combat zone the rules are different and they are then armed appropriately.
Matter of fact, last time I was at the Pentagon, only people I saw who were armed were ether ceremonial guards, or the PFPA officers. Heck, I don’t even remember seeing armed guards up on the E ring.
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Well, I was attempting to bring some humor to the
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 8:35PM EST (link)Judge’s comments, which I think I did.
The judge did not say they were under title 42 — he said the language they used was the same legislative language used for the military.
At any rate, as far as the “gun” comment it came again from the Judge’s reading of the provision, and the fact that the main defense of this provision is by people who say the corps are going to be used in a public health emergency.
But look, I am not trying to belittle your knowledge of Title 42, and if the Judge’s reading of the law is wrong, perhaps I should have checked it but I did not.
Listen to Judge Napatolino much?
SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 8:58PM EST (link)Dan,
Before you start quoting Judge N., you might take some time to listen to him.
He’s pretty far out there on the Libertarian view on many issues near and dear to conservatives. I’m going to be lazy here and not dig up quotes, but go read what he’s had to say about enhance interrogations, Military trials for terrorists captured in the field and bunch of other stuff.
The good Judge worships too much at the altar of the law and not common sense, which is sometimes neither a liberal sin or a conservative sin, but one of people, mostly lawyers, who are too concerned with the rules of the game and making sure the rules are followed and not what the objective is. The question of what is justice gets lost in the noise created by lawyers….
I’m more of a Judge Roy Bean sort of law West of the Pecos sort; speedy and fair trial followed by a equally swift hanging.
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Well, I get that now
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 9:01PM EST (link)To your point
Return to Revolution (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 9:32PM EST (link)regarding tribunals. Came across a Napolitano op/ed a while back published in LAT on the “case against tribunals”.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/29/opinion/la-oe-napolitano29-2009nov29
Out of hand Constitutional fetishist
Indeed
SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 10:15PM EST (link)Return to Revolution
I catch Judge N. in the AM sometimes on his show, Brian and the Judge, I’m not all that impressed with his world view at all. To me, he takes the Federalist point of view on interpretation of the law too far, missing the underlying common sense of what the law is supposed to be about, namely justice. The article is a case in point. The Judge is however pretty smart, but I disagree with him as much as I disagree with Erwin Chemrnisky but for different reasons.
The judge argues against military tribunals in the the point in a very narrow sense over the powers of the government as constrained by the meaning of the word “War”, that’s sort of the same argument that Nixon had over “War Powers”. The fact that Judge N. argues what is mostly from a conservative or even federalist point of view might be good, but he ignores that Liberals and those who come from a “Living Constitution” point of view are more than willing to bend what the law says to achieve their ends.
I tend to think that it’s dumb for conservatives to fight liberals when it comes to matters of how you argue these sorts of matters with one hand tied behind your back because it’s the “right” thing to do while liberals legislate from the bench….you just get your tail kicked that way.
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streiff (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 8:13PM EST (link)they are commissioned under Title 42 not Title 10.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Well streiff, what the hell is your point?
weatherford Thursday, April 8th at 2:12AM EST (link)Let's watch the tone (nt)
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could an anticipated shortage of docs = "public health crisis" ?
Veronica (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 10:21PM EST (link)Vid’s not loading for me — I’ll check during a lull,
but if they’re anticipating a shortage in doctors — and many are saying they are — this would be a way to address the shortage.
bill doesn’t provide for training.
and there is already a noted doc/healthcare worker shortage in other countries w/ socialized healthcare.
which is what HR 4933 — a global health expansion bill submitted Mar 24, 2010 — is supposed to help address
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h4933/show
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Good point
Jack_Savage (Diary) Wednesday, April 7th at 11:23PM EST (link)The “involuntary service” is bugging me, too. To be perfectly frank, all this bugs me, streiff’s comments notwithstanding.
It just seems too curious and out of place to be a mere realignment of an existing program. Plus I don’t trust these bastards as far as I can throw them by their jug ears, which, sadly, is twice as far as Obama can throw a baseball.
Jack, "all this" should worry all of us -- exactly as you suggest.
weatherford Thursday, April 8th at 1:53AM EST (link)Please dont relent until you have the anwsers all of us need and far too many on this site are willing to treat dismissively.
THE BIG QUESTION overarching the entire matter is this one: why?
Why the peculiar change? Why now? Why buried out of site? Why circumvent the Senate? Why an involutary call-up? Why ANY emergency?
Why folks who are uniformed? Why in an agency that can be armed? Why a chain of command? Why did Hussein abandon nucs for use to preclude smallpox, anthrax, and, say, VX?
Many here have drafted legislation, and many have drafted bills that became federal law. Has any one of them ever put one single word in a proposed law or later enacted law that was just some idle wandering?
If it is there, it is not accidental. “If it happens, it was not an accident.”
The original author may not have said it perfectly, but he damned sure knew what he meant. Apart from you, Jack, and a handful of others, I dont see anyone inquiring about a subject that demands inquiry.
Frankly, much of this discussion looks like children fighting to be king of the mountain or, more on point, to pull down one of the best, brightest, and strong.
Keep asking, Jack. Your questions give more answer than a host of comments from the distainful.
Hey, It has been knock off the air. Not on Fox either. Probably just temporary. Maybe not.
weatherford Thursday, April 8th at 1:59AM EST (link)nt
Well, the Judge's interview has been blacked out
Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, April 8th at 4:40PM EST (link)Just tried again.
So has your audience. Just sayin'. ;-) -nt-
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Thursday, April 8th at 5:10PM EST (link)Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria