Update 10: Video: Congresswoman admits Executive Order will not change abortion law.
Update 9: Final Whip Counts vary, but I expect 217 to 214, however, the damage from the pro-life sell out and the passage of the health care bill will likely keep the vote in flux. The Democrats have pulled a full Farouk. They have even managed to make angry beyond comprehension the pro-lifers.
Update 8: How can an Executive Order over ride a law? Which will a judge choose to follow? The law obviously.
Update 7: Stupak says he has an Executive Order to implement the Hyde Amendment language in the bill. He caves, the impact on other votes is unclear.
Why are the pro-life groups letting Stupak define if the bill is pro-life or not?
Where is there strong opposition to the Executive Order?
Where are their statements that no member will ever get an endorsement if they vote for this bill?
Update 6: Drudge is reporting: “FLASH: Senate Republicans found a provision in the new House health care bill that likely makes it ineligible for expedited ‘reconciliation’ procedures in the Senate. Dems refused to meet with GOP and Parliamentarian…. Developing….”
Update 5: Dems don’t have the votes. The Hill reports that the No votes are piling up and there are now more No votes (39) than are needed (38) for a Dem loss. If correct, ObamaCare dies in the House.
According to The Hill Rep. Stupak’s office is issuing strong denials of any deal, and push back from pro-abortion is starting. Directly from The Hill: “The decisions of two Tennessee Democrats, Reps. John Tanner and Lincoln Davis, to vote no has put President Barack Obama, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and her lieutenants in a major bind.”
Update 4: DailyKos says CNN says Stupak says he is still a No and there is no deal and that it’s “a work in progress.”
Update 3: Reuters is reporting Stupak at Yes.
Update 2: FireDogLake is reporting MSNBC is reporting Stupak is a Yes based on some promise for an Executive Order.
UPDATE: Politico is reporting a deal is imminent on abortion.
It is clear that the Dems must make a deal to pass this nightmare of a bill. Will it be with Stupak? Apparently the Dems are meeting on that now to decide. Other sources not sure who will get sold out — the Dem leadership or the pro-lifers. If Stupak caves, his entire life will be defined by it, and the pro-lifers and the left will make him their target number one.
Here is some other relevant news, Republican House Whip Cantor has released a statement of the various Right to Life Groups on any possible Executive Order to remedy any law that is passed:
US Conference of Catholic Bishops: “No regulation, policy letter from HRSA, or other executive action can withstand a statutory mandate, construed by federal courts applying a constitutional decision on abortion.”
National Right to Life Committee: “If the [Senate] bill is signed into law, these statutory requirements and defects are not subject to correction or nullification by the chief executive or his appointees, whether by Executive Order, regulation, or otherwise.”
Americans United for Life: “The proposal to address the problem of abortion funding in the health care bill through use of an Executive Order is a tacit acknowledgment that the bill as it stands is pro-abortion legislation … [I]t also does not succeed in application. An Executive Order cannot prevent insurance companies that pay for abortions from participating in the exchanges. Further, Executive Orders can be undone or modified as quickly as they are created. This is a blatant attempt to subvert democracy and should be quickly quashed.”
Family Research Council warns against the promise of: “an Executive Order (EO) that would magically fix the fact that the Senate bill (H.R. 3590) would spend government funds to pay for elective abortions. Further, the Reconciliation bill will make matters worse by increasing funding for community health centers, which will bypass any abortion funding restrictions in appropriations bills because it is directly appropriated. Both taken together will fund abortion, regardless of any EO.”
We are all tired. We all want it to be over. But trading a vote for a law which funds the killing of the innocents — in return for an Executive Order and a promise to pass a future law is a joke.
It is a really, really bad deal, and pro-lifers will oppose it.
If it happens, no one will understand Rep. Stupak caving, ever, for a piece of parchment that is not a law?
And who takes seriously a promise by those who are not able to promise anything — especially after the weakening and political losses taken because of ObamaCare.
Rep. Stupak should understand that passing this law with a promise that some future law will pass, to take away the government’s power to fund killing babies that he allowed, will mean the promised law will never happen. Why should it? They got what they wanted and Stupak allowed it to happen.
That promise is just like the One’s promise to the Hispanic Caucus about taking up immigration. The Hispanic Caucus is believing a lie. They know it. Everyone knows it.
And just like Sen. Nelson, Rep. Stupak will be a man without a country.
He will have sold out — and been part and parcel of the process of allowing millions of innocents to die.
Steve Maley
KnightsofMalta
Dan Spencer
Moe Lane
Dan McLaughlin
Its a Double Edged
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 12:28PM EST (link)If this has no teeth, then the ‘Stupaks’ must not be allowed to fall for it.
If somehow, it has enought teeth to appease the ‘Stupaks’, we should watch the pro-choice groups.
If this has teeth, we need a couple of the ‘Degettes’ to walk. I dont think DeGette speaks for all of them, and some are already pissed.
Watch Quigley. He will not accept any compromise on abortion.
I think Pelosi is going to keep it ambiguous as long as she can as she talks out of both sides of her mouth to both groups.
Hello RTL???? The unborn need your help!!!
miconservative Sunday, March 21st at 12:36PM EST (link)The week long absense of RTL in this debate is unforgivable. When Republicans had the idea to defeat the Stupak amendment last fall because they knew that such an amendment would never survive the Senate and abortion would surely be included when this bill came back, RTL stepped in immediately and hammered Republicans. And low and behold taxpayer funded abortion is back in the bill and poised to become law. And RTL is MIA. Is it that you will hammer Republicans who support you 100% of the time, but will not hammer Democrats that will equivocate away their commitment to the unborn?
Everyone on Capitol Hill is awaiting guidance from RTL. The Catholic Bishops have already stepped up and said this EO idea is a non-starter. They have defended the unborn. Where are you RTL?
If you do not step up today, and strongly, you will cease to be an important player in protecting the lives of the unborn. And those who have long supported your efforts and look to you for guidance will look elsewhere.
Time to step up to the plate!!!
I never gave money to right to life until this HCR battle.
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 12:40PM EST (link)My coontributions may not be large, but they will not be continuing if I don’t see some action.
PUBLIC ENEMY NO. ONE.
weatherford Sunday, March 21st at 5:40PM EST (link)We still have a shot at it.
Take some consolation in knowing that Stupak has consigned himself to the ash-heap of history.
In November, we toss him to the wolves of the northern teir or, that failing, we cede the U.P. to Canada.
Desertion in the face of the enemy. Hereafter, contributions to NRL should be sent to his opponent — who can not be a RINO or Stupak might skate by. That can not happen. Desertion is contagious. A cancer that must be cut out before it is inoperable.
Stupaks GOP opponent
richardcarlson (Diary) Tuesday, March 23rd at 9:15AM EST (link)Tom Stillings is the viable conservative candidate vs Stupak, visit http://www.stillingsforcongress.com and on Facebook add as a friend and share. www.facebook.com/pages/Tom-Stillings-for-Congress/359528951597?v=info
Right to Life's silence has allowed the pressure on
Dan Perrin (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 12:40PM EST (link)the pro-lifers to skyrocket, and like you say MIconservative, Right to Life had not trouble just pounding Republicans who wanted to vote against the Stupak amendment to cause the whole bill to fail.
Right to Life’s actions are those of a group that wants the bill to pass, and it is sickening.
NRLC has opposed Executive Order and other ploys
douglasjohnson Sunday, March 21st at 2:03PM EST (link)Some of the comments above are poorly informed. The National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) and its affiliates have worked tirelessly against this legislation, and without that activity, abortion-related concerns would long ago have ceased to be an important consideration affecting the progress of the legislation.
In a March 19 letter sent to all House members — only one of innumerable written and verbal communications with lawmakers — NRLC said, “A vote for the Senate-passed health bill (H.R. 3590) is a vote for the most expansively pro-abortion legislation ever to come before the House of Representatives, since Roe v. Wade, and will be accurately so described in the NRLC congressional scorecard for the 111th Congress. We respectfully urge that you vote against this legislation and against any measure or procedure that might be employed in an attempt to move it towards the President’s desk.”
In a follow up statement sent to House Democrats on March 20, NRLC clearly rejected any suggestion that an executive order, however constructed, could correct the abortion-related problems in the bill: “It should be noted that all of the problems listed in the [March 19] NRLC letter — with the possible exception of no. 5 (pro-abortion administrative mandates) — would be created by and controlled by the proposed statutory language of H.R. 3590. If the bill is signed into law, these statutory requirements and defects are not subject to correction or nullification by the chief executive or his appointees, whether by Executive Order, regulation, or otherwise. Lawmakers will be responsible for the law that they vote for, and cannot hide behind hollow assurances from the President.”
Douglas Johnson
Legislative Director
National Right to Life Committee
Washington, D.C.
http://www.nrlc.org
Douglas Johnson
Legislative Director
National Right to Life Committee
Washington,D.C.
http://www.nrlc.org
Get your facts straight
Steven Ertelt (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 12:55PM EST (link)Good grief, National Right to Life came out against the executive order Saturday afternoon — 18 hours ago!
See http://www.lifenews.com/nat6155.html
Leading pro-life advocates say an executive order is a non-starter because it can’t fix themyriad of pro-abortion problems with the bill.
“It should be noted that all of the problems listed in the NRLC letter — with the possible exception of no. 5 (pro-abortion administrative mandates) — would be created by and controlled by the proposed statutory language of H.R. 3590,” Douglas Johnsn of National Right to Life told LifeNews.com. “If the bill is signed into law, these statutory requirements and defects are not subject to correction or nullification by the chief executive or his appointees, whether by Executive Order, regulation, or otherwise.”
National Right to Life
Kevin Allen (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 12:58PM EST (link)Everything I have seen from them has been very good. NRLC sent an email to my wife this morning opposing the EO.
Here some language from their Action Center:
WASHINGTON (Updated March 18, 2010,9 AM EST) – The long-awaited final showdown on President Obama’s massive “health care reform” bill will occur on the floor of the House of Representatives within days — most likely, on or about Sunday, March 21.
The House will vote on whether to approve a bill (H.R. 3590) that already passed the Senate last December. A March 5 statement from National Right to Life, posted here, said regarding this bill: “The Senate health bill is a 2,407-page labyrinth strewn with the legislative equivalents of improvised explosive devices — disguised provisions that will result in federal pro-abortion mandates and federal subsidies for abortion. The so-called abortion limits that are in the Senate bill are all very narrow, riddled with loopholes, or booby-trapped to expire. . . . When all of the pro-abortion provisions are considered in total, the Senate bill is the most pro-abortion single piece of legislation that has ever come to the House floor for a vote, since Roe v. Wade. Any House member who votes for the Senate health bill is casting a career-defining pro-abortion vote. A House member who votes for the Senate bill would forfeit a plausible claim to pro-life credentials. No House member who votes for the Senate bill will be regarded, in the future, as having a record against federal funding of abortion.”
What does Rep Stupak being OK mean from your update?
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:01PM EST (link)Does tha mean he supports the EO and the bill?
Also, whatever the answer to this is
stigmo Sunday, March 21st at 1:03PM EST (link)Does it also apply to the rest of his group?
MSNBC says sources report Stupak is voting YES -nt
bk (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:03PM EST (link)They have reported that in the past and been wrong
JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:06PM EST (link)While Stupak might be dumb enough to cave for an EO of certain language, I can’t believe he would collapse so completely as to just sign on to the Senate bill, legislation that he has said has lots of flaws, abortion being only one of them.
My prediction is that Obama won’t agree to an EO unless he actually needs the votes, and that Stupak actually votes N.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Are you from Michigan?
mavericktime Sunday, March 21st at 1:08PM EST (link)Do you live in Stupak’s district?
Yes/No
JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:11PM EST (link)I live in Michigan, but do not reside in Stupak’s district (although I have property in Stupak’s district).
Thankfully, I am in (R) McCotter’s district.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Is Michael Moore in Stupak's district?
mavericktime Sunday, March 21st at 1:22PM EST (link)I think Moore has a home in Cadillac.
I was raised in Michigan – but in the southern part, near the Ohio border.
He said he is
JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:55PM EST (link)District 1 covers the UP and the Northern and Northeastern part of the Glove.
Very low populationn density district. One of the largest districts in Congress.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
They said there was a deal for his vote Friday night
eburke (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:37PM EST (link)as well.
I’m not saying he’s not going to end up being a Quisling, but as I’ve posted an nauseum for the last week, the media is so in bed with the Dems to create this aura of panic and inevitability it’s a joke.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
MSNBC reporting Stupak is voting yes
mavericktime Sunday, March 21st at 1:03PM EST (link)According to a tweet by Jay Cost.
If Stupak is a Yes
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:13PM EST (link)We hope to hope some pro-choicers bolt. Its kind of desperate and it doesnt feel good, but we have too stoke that flame.
Stupak voting Yes?!
ranthony (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:17PM EST (link)Oh God, no. I hope this is another hoax.
NRO confirmed he is a yes with the EO?
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:18PM EST (link)nt
My Guess - If Stupak Votes "Yes", He'll Be Defeated in Nov.
IJB Sunday, March 21st at 1:28PM EST (link)Now I say that as someone who doesn’t know the specifics of MI-01, save that it’s an R+3 district.
But all this talk about how Stupak is an “institution”, and how “Stupak will never be beaten”, sounds exactly like what was said about Boucher of VA, and Boyd of FL, and I consider both of these likely losers in the Fall now.
But if Stupak votes for this, I think he shreds his credibility with the voters in this district, will likely draw a top-tier challenger as a result (I think the MI filing deadline isn’t until July!), and will ultimately lead to his defeat in Nov.
Frankly, if he flips to “Yes”, I think many of us will look forward to taking Stupak out in the Fall…
@stevebruskCNN Urgent — Rep. Stupak to CNN producer Lesa Jansen: “I’m still a no…There is no deal yet. Its a work in progress n/t
cookcountyconservative (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:28PM EST (link)n/t
???
ranthony (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:32PM EST (link)http://twitter.com/stevebrusk doesn’t exist.
Never mind, I read that wrong.
ranthony (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:33PM EST (link)Try this twitter account
scott319 Sunday, March 21st at 1:35PM EST (link)http://twitter.com/stevebruskCNN
Says he is still a no. No deal as of yet.
Praying for Rep. Stupak and the rest of the coalition as well.
SoFiMil (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:35PM EST (link)If you are having doubts, consider speaking with Rep. Cao.
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
stupak still NO via thehill
ehud (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:39PM EST (link)http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88111-report-stupak-will-vote-for-health-bill
Apparently, MSNBC was lying.
From watching interviews with Stupak, If he can be convinced the EO is bogus I doubt he will cut a deal. But he clearly wants to cut a deal in good conscience. His life has been miserable the last couple weeks.
Based on the legal opinions just posted on redstate, it sounds hard to believe an EO will do anything.
And won’t the pro-choicers jump ship?
Ryan/? 2012
Yup, Stupak is Still a "No".
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:44PM EST (link)Susan Ferrechio, 03/21/10, 1:27 PM EDT, Washington Examiner:
Probably not a very pleasant day for Stupak.
Why Must Everyone Help Planned Parenthood Pay For Elective Abortions?
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:48PM EST (link)My understanding is that Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders got lots of funding in the Senate Bill for “clinics.” If non-abortion services of clinics of Planned Parenthood qualify, then that would free up Planned Parenthood’s own money to fund abortions on demand. I do not want my tax money going toward that.
Guess Stupak didn't want to walk through
joayn (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:54PM EST (link)the protestors so he took the tunnel. Unlike Pelosi and her minions who chose to walk through the crowd, arm-in-arm. On Fox: “Like a defiant civil rights walk” or something.
Why aren’t thunderbolts mandatory on Sundays?
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
Stupak no - but close to yes
cookcountyconservative (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:42PM EST (link)@stevebruskCNN: But Stupak told Lesa that he’s met with White House lawyers today and says they are “close” on an agreement
The fact the WH will only sign an EO with Stupak as a "yes" tells me everything.
SoFiMil (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:47PM EST (link)Why doesn’t the sign an EO regardless, even *if* they get to 216 without Stupak? Hopefully, the Stupak coalition will see the disingenous administration for what it is.
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Contact Stupak and all other leaning reps
joayn (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:45PM EST (link)by typing in url: Congressman.(name)@mail.house.gov.
My Dad sent this to me. Invaluable. You don’t have to go thru their websites. Sent Stupak an email this morning: Congressman.Stupak@mail.house.gov.
EVERYBODY CALL AND EMAIL TO LET HIM KNOW NOT TO FOLD AND TO LET HIM KNOW WE WON’T BE FOOLED BY AN EO FROM OBAMA.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
I just did.
ranthony (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:58PM EST (link)If he thinks he only has to answer to the residents of his state for this he’s dead wrong.
Stupak was looking for a way to be a "good soldier" and they gave it to him.
archer52 Sunday, March 21st at 1:53PM EST (link)He knows better. Apparently, at heart he doesn’t have a problem with all of the HUGE problems with this bill. To be focused so narrowly is a fool’s errand and just cover.
Just vote, stand up and take the hit. Don’t think we’ll be persuaded by a guarantee you received from a man who hasn’t spoken the truth about anything since he was a young man.
It only makes you look like a bigger fool than you are.
Stupak a NO Via Email to Major Garrett
GJ Merits (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:54PM EST (link)Hope I spelled his name right. He just reported on Fox News he got an email from Stupak’s staff. Keep up the pressure. He also mentioned this could be a timing thing (he was guessing only and admitted so) and Stupak is waiting for the EO to be released. Look for the EO being release as that could be one indicator that Garrett’s guess is on the money.
Still, contact Stupak and his coalition and let them know that an EO will not protect the unborn, nor will passing this bill. He will be responsbile for the slaughter of millions of innocents when a future president removes EO or language is introduced by a future legislature which allows for federally funded abortion. Let him know.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
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To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
@JeffreyYoung_HC: Dem Reps. Lincoln Davis (TN) and John Tanner (TN) will both vote no again on #hcr
cookcountyconservative (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 1:59PM EST (link)Sanchez still won’t say. I think they’re gonna need Stupak & Co.
Pray that the Stupak coalition doesn't go for this....HARD.
RealQuiet (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:02PM EST (link)If the Stupak coalition holds and votes no, the bill will fail. I have been thinking that Stupak has been looking for some cover just to save his job and pro-life ratings.
Started on that last night
ranthony (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:13PM EST (link)The Hill Has 38 "No" Not Including Tanner Who Is Also a "No"
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:02PM EST (link)Tanner:
“After thorough and careful review of the legislation, I am unconvinced that the long-term trend of rising health care costs is adequately addressed and am therefore unable to support the legislation.”
Link
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:10PM EST (link)http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/tanner-press-release/
Yes, but it looks like we are losing the Stupak group.
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:16PM EST (link)That would be it.
I had heard that McMahon is a no, Baird and Foster are both yeses.
McMahon "No", Pomeroy "Yes"
C.S. McCoy (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:26PM EST (link)http://twitter.com/stevebruskCNN
The Hill Has Now Included Tanner as "No" Meaning 39 "No"
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:21PM EST (link)http://thehill.com/homenews/house/85693-whip-watch-the-hills-survey-of-house-dems-positions-on-healthcare-
Who knows what will happen with the Stupak group. The Hill has many of them as undecided.
Irrelevent
stigmo Sunday, March 21st at 2:27PM EST (link)Has Stupak as a no.
How many Stupak folks caved? I saw 4 people at the podium
JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:20PM EST (link)nt
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Stupak the sell out: "We're well above 216"
treeofliberty Sunday, March 21st at 4:23PM EST (link)n/t
From Hot Air
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:05PM EST (link)BREAKING 1:43 P.M. – If my observation of Steny Hoyer’s interaction with Bart Stupak just now on the House floor is any indication, Stupak looks very much like a yes.
Stupak walked over to Mike Doyle, Pennsylvania Democrat, the liaison between leadership and pro-life Democrats. Moments later, Hoyer walked over.
Hoyer asked a question, listened to Stupak talk for a few moments, and then gave a very animated and enthusiastic slap with his right hand on the Stupak’s left arm. Hoyer, smiling and nodding, patted him on the shoulder, and then put his hand on the back of Stupak’s neck.
After a few more moments of conversation, Hoyer slapped Doyle on the back, gave a thumbs up and walked away.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/20/breaking-1045-a-m-stupak-press-conference-postponed/#ixzz0ippD7Ytu
There is nothing in your link that confirms your quote. nt
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:17PM EST (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Sorry
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:23PM EST (link)I just copied directly from Hot Air. I thinki I learned my lesson.
Ocleverone, I think earlgrey takes pleasure in....
penguin2 (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:27PM EST (link)pointing out anything that could possibly be negative. From her title comments to the text content. Another one like her is floating around too. Concern trolls just don’t have the style down.
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Let it be known penguin!
nessa (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:34PM EST (link)The John Adams quote in my sigline defines the proper place for concern trolls and the half-hearted who cannot see this fight through to the end.
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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You are correct penguin. The good news is
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:34PM EST (link)every time I hear “oh noz, da skyz are falling”, I send another email or fax.
Their ploy ain’t working.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Foryour information, I did not take pleasure in any of this.
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:10PM EST (link)I made a mistake when I posted something without the right link.
Let's see, you apologized for being a "downer" yesterday.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:16PM EST (link)Here’s the link:
http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2010/03/19/the-red-queen-does-not-have-the-votes/#comment-9341
You have said “not good” how many times? You quoted an downer article that didn’t have anything to do with the link and yet I am to believe you didn’t take pleasure.
Perhaps you didn’t. Let’s see how long you hang around after the vote is taken.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
That is really helpful.
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 5:36PM EST (link)Today is a really lousy day for conservatives, but you have chosen to use the day to go back and read my posts to take a shot at me.
You don’t know me. You have no idea how much today’s political climate has profoundly affected me, and you have no idea what efforts I have made to stop Obamacare.
I apologized for providing the information with the wrong link. I directly copied the information from a website without checking the link. I’ll apologize once more. Sorry if that is not enough for you.
You're right, I don't know you
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 5:40PM EST (link)therefore, I went back and looked at your posting history and it stuck out as doom and gloom and defeatist.
Congratulations if you did your part to stop this. Keep up the good work. I don’t see anything in your history here at RedState that says that one way or another. Again, just doom and gloom.
So forgive me if I can’t read your mind.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
If you think I am bad
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 6:14PM EST (link)try reading Mark Steyn.
Do yourself a big favor earlgrey. Do NOT compare yourself
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 6:24PM EST (link)to Mark Steyn.
Ya know, earlgrey?
avgjo (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 6:35PM EST (link)Even Steyn talked about repeal last week on Rush.
Ceterum autem censeo, Obamaecuram esse delendam.
I didn't know that?
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 6:40PM EST (link)I wish I could have heard that.
yeah, when he was on rush i think
avgjo (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 6:55PM EST (link)it was last friday. My heart stopped.
I’ve always been kinda down on him for his Euro-fatalism.
I know he’s candian. And with all due respect to Europeans.
Ceterum autem censeo, Obamaecuram esse delendam.
thanks for the information
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 7:14PM EST (link)I really have a hard time with his dire predictions. I truly respect him for his opinions, knowledge and wit, but I am not sure how well he really understands americans. At least, I am hoping that he doesn’t understand us as well as he thinks.
Besides these socialist healthcare systems in Europe and Canada aren’t working. It will be interesting to see what happens there? There was even some talk of some privatization (sp) in Canada.
I don't think you understand what I was trying to say
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 6:37PM EST (link)I was trying to make light of how I was being called a defeatist. I would never compare myself in intelligence, ability to speak and general knowledge to Mark Steyn. It really wasn’t where I was going.
I guess I just find Mark Steyn depressing. I had just read his post on NRO.
First rule of holes earlgrey, first rule of holes. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 6:41PM EST (link)I don't know what that means,
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 6:47PM EST (link)but I guess it is not good.
Somehow, based on your posting history I'm not surprised earlgrey.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 7:20PM EST (link)First Rule of Holes: When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
That is productive
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 8:03PM EST (link)Why don’t you go insult the guys on the other side of this battle?
As for my posting history all you can see is 2 days while we watched this thing slip away. I haven’t seen you posting while people here have been giving call lists and updates on what they are getting from the congress.
Our side will never win while we pick eachother apart. Congratulations on picking on me today. I am sure you will enjoy socialized medicine much more now.
Watch, Stupak will vote no, the other congressmen in his bloc will cave and give Pelosi the votes she needs and she'll disperse the yeas and nays accordingly.
RealQuiet (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:22PM EST (link)At least this is what I come up with when I do a smell test
I think your prediction is partially right--there definitely isn't a Stupak block anymore
JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:02PM EST (link)its every Congresscritter for themselves.
The fact that there is not acquiesence by the entire group means that Obama doesn’t agree to the language that Stupak requires. They are picking off some but not all of the Stupak 6.
I think Stupak votes N, because if a deal hasn’t been reached by now, it won’t be reached.
Obama does not want to do the EO thing with any kind of language.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I've Thought That For A While
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:08PM EST (link)Unfortunately, some in his block come from Blue districts. For those, its about abortion, and nothing else.
I think others have other issues, mainly self-preservation.
I think Rahall and Mollohan want to vote for the bill, but its a career killer for them in WV. They need to know they are voting for something that will pass. They need to see a solid 216 before they sell out.
I dont think Driehaus or Lipinski want to split at all.
I think Dahlkemper may be the next to go.
Always CALL your congress members; emails just get an auto-reply and aren't read
nvrepub (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:11PM EST (link)nt
It would seem...
Calvin_of_Geneva Sunday, March 21st at 2:16PM EST (link)that Stupak caved. Pro-
life? Sure.
Live coverage has started. Link to streaming.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:22PM EST (link)http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Does anyone know if NRTL is going to score the votes on Reconciliation and the Senate bill? -nt-
eburke (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:29PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Pomeroy & Foster Yes
cookcountyconservative (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:32PM EST (link)and @DFosterNRO NRO’s Bob Costa from DC: “Dem aides telling us all he’s a yes, Stupak still public a no. Everyone is saying different things to the press.”
CALL STUPAK NOW!!!
Sheet Anchor (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:35PM EST (link)New Article: Will He or Won’t He? Bart Stupak Wavers as Obamacare Hangs in the Balance http://bit.ly/dd2BZq
CALL STUPAK NOW!!!
(202) 225 4735
Call Bart Stupak, he’s taking a poll on yes/no. Tell him NO
Nothing in your link talks about a poll. nt
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:42PM EST (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
You can email his office, if you can't get through
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:47PM EST (link)There is an address in one of the earlier posts, and I just sent an email. The first time I tried it bounced back, but I think I might have typed in the address wrong. I don’t know about a poll, and the regional offices are closed I believe.
Keep trying...just got through
treeofliberty Sunday, March 21st at 2:55PM EST (link)Don’t know about “taking a poll” though one has to assume he knows where the American people stand by now. An 11 1/2 hour “poll” shouldn’t matter much at this point
They are all lying...no one wants to vote or let anyone know what they are going to do.
rcov092 (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:36PM EST (link)n/t they do not yet have the votes!
“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”
Join the RedState Strike Force
Of course Stupak is a yes.
earthmover (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:37PM EST (link)He was a yes all along and the idea that so many people bought into the idea that he may have been a no is amazing. He was just sitting around waiting to be bought off, just like all the rest of the “undecideds.” Any Executive Order will be totally meaningless. Its only purpose will be to provide cover for Stupak and the people who are going along with him. The vote is nothing but a formality. Honestly, it has been that way all along.
This was 6 minutes ago…
Sheet Anchor (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:39PM EST (link)This was 6 minutes ago…
Stupak just said there’s no agreement. He’s a no on #hcr until one is struck.
http://twitter.com/MPOTheHill/status/10832178069
He needs to kill this bill to be taken seriously… there is likely to be a revote… at the absolutely very least they need to keep abortion funding out of those community health centers…
I Know Its Machiavellian and Cynical, But...
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:41PM EST (link)shouldnt we be encouraging libertarian and pro-choicers to prcclaim any deal with Stupak is unnacceptable.
They dont have to vote NO. They just have to abstain.
Do a little trolling,pretend you care a couple of hours, tell them the deal is an outrage and ask them to abstain.
The problem is
earthmover (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:44PM EST (link)that what you’re doing is asking them to have principles. That’s like asking a bucket with a hole in it to hold water.
Sadly I agree earth
treeofliberty Sunday, March 21st at 3:01PM EST (link)I mean, I though Kucinich had the strongest “convictions” in the Demorat bunch and he caved like a weasel for crumbs off the table…
I have no problem using Swamp’s strategy I just don’t have any faith left in the convictions of these sleazy D politicians.
Sadly I agree earth
treeofliberty Sunday, March 21st at 3:01PM EST (link)I mean, I thought Kucinich had the strongest “convictions” in the Demorat bunch and he caved like a weasel for crumbs off the table…
I have no problem using Swamp’s strategy I just don’t have any faith left in the convictions of these sleazy D politicians.
Do you suppose that with the news of the two TN reps, some yeses will switch to no?
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:25PM EST (link)I know I am being too optimistic, but you can always have some hope.
I must admit that I was surprised by Tannner’s position, my district is right next to his. I know he was under a lot of pressure. We were out there 3/16 in front of his regional offices. It was kind of cool to hear all the horns honking in support.
I think if this thing doesn't pass by 2, it'll fail by 15.
eburke (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:29PM EST (link)Once the Dems who know they’re toast if they vote for this see that they’ll have to be the deciding vote, they’ll bail so fast it’ll make your head spin
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
eburke- Hindsight is 20 20 vision
Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 7:39PM EST (link)Stupak is now the deciding vote, no matter when he casts his yes vote. He is now the pariah, and, everyone in this country needs to acknowledge that loudly. Stupak enabled this disaster.
Is there going to be a roll call vote?
SoFiMil (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 7:43PM EST (link)I’m still holding out hope.
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Did Dale Kildee just switch his vote to a "no?"
Lords86 (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:27PM EST (link)Reported on other sites that Kildee just announced that he is a firm no.
I suspect that what the recent update highlights is true, i.e. that pro-choice forces are pushing back on the White House and Pelosi saying you do this, you lose our vote.
It looks like the American people might, . . . might, win this one.
Lords86 - got a link for that? -nt-
eburke (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:30PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
I Saw A Twitter; Its Live on C-Span
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:36PM EST (link)I think its breaking.
But I dont think its a switch – yet.
I think he is making the case for the Stupak language. but he sounds strong, something about not risking his soul to eternal damnation for federally funded abortion
Wow.
Anyone consider that EO language insisted on by stupak
dio55 Sunday, March 21st at 3:32PM EST (link)might be so strong that it may cause a rebellion with pro choice zealots that could be why there is no announced deal
I Have
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:39PM EST (link)That’s my theory
Pelosi is offering an ambiguous solution and playing both sides, but once there is any meat on it, one side will bolt. I think she wants to push it right up to the vote, so its too late fo negotiations and hope the pro-choicers bite the bullet.
Key guy in all this is Quigley. I hope NARAL and NOW are all over the feminists.
What choice do the pro-aborts have? Not vote for HCR in protest of an EO they can't stop?
JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:42PM EST (link)I don’t see the pro-aborts doing anything because the EO is meaningless and can’t be stopped by them in a credible way
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
stupak's group has a press conference at 4
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:44PM EST (link)not good.
Where's your link? nt
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:48PM EST (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
It is on the NRO and Hot AIr
earlgrey (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:56PM EST (link)Also Right wing news.
Remember the only reason pro choice uber liberals
dio55 Sunday, March 21st at 3:52PM EST (link)are supporting this bill is because they want the senate language which overides “hyde” take that out and they oppose the bill . also all the EO does is enforce what is already the law i.e “hyde”
Pro-Aborts will likely be reasured by WH......
pat09 (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:35PM EST (link)……that an “independent” group will quickly challenge his EO to ensure it goes away for the pro-aborts ………….
A new standard in gullibility by the Stupak’s for believing this President or more likely a new standard of Kabuki Theater: “How can we fool them today”.
We have been poised to grab defeat from the jaws of victory
weatherford Sunday, March 21st at 3:49PM EST (link)(once again) because of buying the enemy’s propoganda.
Only Dan has seen this battle with absolute clarity. The rest of us have done well — fought hard — but did we wander into the fog?
We can win. Dano has identified the right objective. Why did we waste time on fiscal crap, when all along we had the key? It was life itself — it always has been.
Democrats are not the enemy. Death is.
Dan igniting a fire under our pro-life base. An arsonist when one was needed. It is working. Our main objective remains that– for today. Keep at them. They will “postpone” if we pile on.
No quarter.
Pelosi's problem is that she has to Con Stupak...
Section9 Sunday, March 21st at 3:45PM EST (link)…into believing that the EO’s will have the force of Law, which they won’t, while at the same time winking and nodding to the Death Lobby to go along with the “Stupak Deal”.
Stupak and his people have to have the presence of mind and the situational awareness to know that they are being conned to keep the Pro-Choicers aboard the coalition.
He has to know that this is a huge con game.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
And we have to know
earthmover (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:52PM EST (link)that he doesn’t really care. The intention is to vote for the bill. All he needs is enough cover. This is not about some pro-life principle. This about passing Obamacare.
Someone did say the other day that they thought that Stupak may have "hidden" all of his "No" votes in his bloc in the "Yes" column until the last minute
Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:47PM EST (link)that way, they would be “safe” from people trying to sway their votes. I pray that is true. I know that he wants this bill to pass, but I sincerely hope that he realizes that if this passes – especially if he votes for it – he will be treated in much the same way that Ben Nelson and his wife have been.
He’s been the “face” of this bloc for so long that he is irrevocably tied to it, whether he likes it or not. I hope he knows that Obama’s word is worthless.
Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy ride…..
I think Stupak's truly caved now. nt
Menlo (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:48PM EST (link)“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter
Did you not expect that?
thelonebostonconservative Sunday, March 21st at 3:57PM EST (link)He was a lock the whole time. Unless they could get the votes without him.
And, Stupak has Caved!!!
Lords86 (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:54PM EST (link)In the end, Democrats do what Democrats do – all those who were touting how terrific it was that Stupak was holding is ground . . . well . . . He caved, just like we knew he would.
And, by the way, the fact that he was holding out on support for a TERRIBLE bill, doesn’t make him my hero . . . it makes him a Democrat.
And
ranthony (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:52PM EST (link)If what I heard is right, he’s cooked himself – his district leans Republican.
The people who applauded Cao’s earlier vote on the basis that he was “representing his constituents” will clam up in 3 . . . 2 . . .
C-Span
lunarmanathome (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:55PM EST (link)has reported live that Stupak did reach an agreement with Obama not more than 5 minutes ago.
Another guy to be thrown under the Bus.
Section9 Sunday, March 21st at 3:58PM EST (link)Oh well….
This will be his legacy, I guess.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
I guess there is a sucker born every minute.
Section9 Sunday, March 21st at 3:56PM EST (link)Wonder what they gave him?
Sheesh. Not a man of principle in that party. Even after the entreaty of the Bishops.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
Look Out For A Pro-Choice Backlash
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:57PM EST (link)It may be our only hope.
Not a chance. The Choicers know that Stupak is being conned.
Section9 Sunday, March 21st at 3:59PM EST (link)There was nothing written into the Bill.
Obama’s word about an EO isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. The Left knows this. It is enough that Stupak was gulled into believing Obama.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
This grasping at straws is becoming pathetic.
earthmover (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:58PM EST (link)Now it’s something about reconciliation not working in the Senate. It doesn’t matter! The house will vote on reconciling a law that isn’t a law and they have their cover. The Senate bill is signed by Obama and we are all condemned to live under Obamacare. It doesn’t matter if the Senate votes on the reconciliation package. The House Dems can blame the Senate for not voting and still have their cover.
Well aren't you a little freakin ray of sunshine. nt
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 3:59PM EST (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Ocleverone, perhaps he would be more comfortable
janis (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:04PM EST (link)if we all just sat down and shut up. Wept in our beers and took consolation in the fact that we all tried.
Not going to happen, earthmover. We’re in it to win it, whether today or later, this will not stand. And there are 10′s of millions of us all around the country who feel the same way. Give up if you wish, but don’t let us find you cluttering up the path when we come marching your way.
Yes, he needs to get out of the way - we still moving.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:10PM EST (link)The only good thing, should this thing fail, is that the doom and gloom mobies will leave the site alone for awhile.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Tough talk is cute,
earthmover (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:14PM EST (link)but it’s better to deal in reality than to live in the realm of hyperbole. I’m all for trying everything we can to stop this, but we also have to face facts. This bill is too big to fail and the Dems have shown that nothing, including the Constitution, will stop them from passing it.
The size of this bill is exactly why it should fail.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:19PM EST (link)As far as the tough talk snark – hide and watch Skippy.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
No, the size of the bill not "exactly why it should fail."
earthmover (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:55PM EST (link)That the bill as large as it is, quite obviously, is absurd. But if you want to talk about exact reasons, the size of the bill is NOT the place to start. If the size of the bill is going to be your starting point, you are doomed to lose.
Who said it was the starting point?
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 5:58PM EST (link)And as failure – it’s not an option.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
You brought it up out of the blue
earthmover (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 6:33PM EST (link)so I assumed that it was your A-#1 talking point for what is wrong with the bill. That was my mistake in assuming it was something other than a spewing forth of a completely random point unrelated to anything else that had been said. Carry on.
It's not "tough talk", it's what's for supper.
janis (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:19PM EST (link)Look, you may call it “dealing in reality” to accept defeat. Many of us here do not. We are not about to just lay down and let this bunch walk over us. You think that if this bill passes today that it’s over? Hell, no.
It’s just beginning. And you can be a part of changing things, or you can sit down and shut up. Your choice. There’s “cute” for you.
I'm going to need Obamacare to take care of me now.
earthmover (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:59PM EST (link)My stomach hurts from laughing at you.
Did I say, “lay down and let this bunch walk over us”? No, I fought every step of the way. I’m not sure what you think the “it” is that isn’t over if the bill passes today, but if the bill passes today, Obamacare becomes law. That “it” is over.
Did I say I didn’t want to change “things”? No, but when you have the attitude of “you can sit down and shut up” toward someone who agrees with you in principle but merely has a different state of mind at the moment, you sound like you would fit in perfectly with our friends on the left.
Yeah it seems pathetic --
thelonebostonconservative Sunday, March 21st at 4:02PM EST (link)Unless you think you can convince House members that they won’t get what they want.
What is it that House members want?
earthmover (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:04PM EST (link)Cover for their yes vote on the Senate bill. That is what the reconciliation bill is. What does a hypothetical future Senate have to do with that? Nothing.
PAYBACK
dio55 Sunday, March 21st at 4:22PM EST (link)TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE AND SENATE We have to direct the rage out there and ride it like a wave all the way to november
Stand proud redstaters your posts are proof to your children that you fought
dio55 Sunday, March 21st at 4:33PM EST (link)In the years after ww2 germany no one could find a nazi everyone claimed they wer’nt the same will happen here but we will have proof to show our children . That being said PLEASE LIST ASAP ALL CANDIDATE INFO FOR DONATIONS AND SUPPORT ITS TIME TO KICK SOME DEM ASS so lock arms everyone WE ARE NOT ALONE.. we are not THE PERSON.. we are THE PEOPLE
Remember the August "deadline"
treeofliberty Sunday, March 21st at 4:36PM EST (link)We took this thing farther and harder than ANYONE in Jan 09 thought with overwhelming Dem majorities in both houses.
Nothing to be ashamed of and a lot to be proud of in this fight here should the sell outs push this pig of a bill over the top today.
I’m not conceding anything and doubling down on donations/support for candidates I believe in until Pelosi’s disgraceful POS Congress is buried forever.
we still lost, and there was NO room for failure this time...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:44PM EST (link)so forgive me if I don’t agree with the whole we played a good game, when it counts we failed miserably!
It's not over yet. Not by a long shot.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 4:46PM EST (link)Keep the faith Brother.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
NRO
cari Sunday, March 21st at 4:44PM EST (link)is reporting that three Stupakers haven’t bought into the Executive Order joke:
Dan Lipinski, Jerry Costello, and Gene Taylor.
PRAY that they will be able to expose the LIE of this to their other members!
I’m not ready to give up! Hang onto hope! Hang on to God! And PRAY!
Today isn't the end, its just the beginning
SirGladiator (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 5:00PM EST (link)The Liberal Democrats may celebrate today, but come November, not just November of this year but November of 2012 as well, it is we who will be celebrating, and then we’ll be repealing this monstrosity before it even goes into full effect!
This generation will be remembered for the
izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 5:09PM EST (link)Greatest depression to ever hit the world. ObamaCare is the catalyst that will seize up the great productive engine of America. You may get “free health insurance”, but it will be worthless. Watch the medical industry in America fail and the democrats will be blaming Republicans because we did not act soon enough.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Agreed, Sir Gladiator.
avgjo (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 6:33PM EST (link)What do you have in mind?
I’m working on a plan now. Read my diary if you’re interested.
I want people’s ideas.
Ceterum autem censeo, Obamaecuram esse delendam.
Just sent him an email
ranthony (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 5:05PM EST (link)using the address left on Facebook for his office.
I don’t think whoever reads it is going to like it.
Assuming the "him" is Stupak,
earthmover (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 6:35PM EST (link)I don’t think whoever reads it is going to care.
Stupak all along has been saying on FOX that
Bill Sunday, March 21st at 5:08PM EST (link)he wanted to vote for this healthcare bill. He was justing going to hold out to the last minute for them to cut him a deal. I guess he feels he got his deal (HIS COVER THAT HE FEELS HE NEEDS TO SOOTHE HIS CONSCIOUS). We have speculated on RedState for days and weeks now and all knew in our hearts that when it comes down to voting, he and his cohorts would go with the PARTY LINE, since at heart they are all progressive liberals or marxist whatever one wants to call them. He will answer to God for his vote on this one. God forgive them for they know not what they are doing.
Thank God! November 3, 2010. U.S. House, GOP 290, DEM 145; U.S. Senate, GOP 70, DEM 28, IND 2. Keep on praying!
Bill- You are so correct
Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 5:21PM EST (link)Stupak was never a no vote. He created his own hell that he said he was living in. We will find our eventually just exactly what bribes he got, and it wasn’t an EO. For me, he could have stopped this bill. For me, he is the deciding vote to turn the country into a tyranical government. He kept his name out there. His name will remain the deciding vote. No one should ever forget his treachery. I look at it now as Stupakcare. What a piece of stinking rotten garbage filled with maggots.
Further evidence that Stupak was always a 'Yes'-
davidabippus Sunday, March 21st at 6:07PM EST (link)http://www.lonelyconservative.com/2010/03/21/stupaks-been-lying-all-along-video-surfaced-obamas-deal-wont-even-count/
“The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.” – Samuel Adams
Just got a phone chain going
cari Sunday, March 21st at 5:19PM EST (link)in Stupak’s district. Don’t give up hope!
I said it before
djoshp Sunday, March 21st at 5:25PM EST (link)Stupak is STUPID. That Executive Order is not worth the paper it is written on.It has the same validity that all the LIES he has been feeding us since day one had. Obama is lower then Whale Crap at the bottom of the ocean.
The Pro-Life groups have not been quiet.
INC (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 5:41PM EST (link)From NRO’s Critical Condition:
Andy McCarthy on Executive Order Hijinks
INC (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 5:43PM EST (link)writes at the Corner:
Stupak challenger
morostheos Sunday, March 21st at 6:29PM EST (link)We need to give a kick start to a worthy challenger in Stupak’s district. Anyone in that district or from RedState that can point us in the right direction? We need to send a message.
Benishek for Congress (from KLo at NRO)
davidabippus Sunday, March 21st at 6:58PM EST (link)Benishek for CongressCategory:Organizations – Political OrganizationsDescription:
Hi, I am Dan Benishek. I am running for U.S. Congress in Michigan’s 1st District and would like your support.
I was born in Iron River, Michigan. My mother was of Polish descent and my father of Bohemian descent. My father worked for the Civilian Conservation Corps and then in the iron mines of Iron County. He died in a mining accident in 1957 and my brother and I were raised by my mother, with the help of family. I graduated from West Iron County High School in 1970. I earned a B.S. in Biology from the University of Michigan in 1974 and graduated from Wayne State Medical School in 1978. I have served as a general surgeon in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula since 1983. My wife Judy and I live in Crystal Falls. We share five children and two grandchildren. I am an avid hunter and fisherman and an NRA member.
I have never held political office but I feel compelled to seek a position at this time because of disturbing developments in our nation’s capitol. I have watched with horror and disbelief as congress has voted to spend trillions of dollars on legislation that no one even read. I very much want to serve my country and the citizens of the 1st District and to provide better representation and leadership on important issues such as:
· Job Creation. Our best hope lies within the private, not public, sector. In particular, we need to support small business, which creates the bulk of new jobs. Government should step aside and let the free market work by reducing burdensome regulation and taxation.
· Fiscal Responsibility. Government is out of control and is squandering our children’s future! I say no to more government bail-outs, business takeovers, and growing entitlements. It is time to make drastic cuts in spending, balance our budget, stop printing money and start paying down our ballooning national debt.
· Lower Taxes. I believe that a government which governs least is a government which governs best. We need a government of the people, by the people and for the people. We need to reduce oppressive taxation and allow individual citizens to keep and invest more of their hard-earned money. We need to shrink the size and scope of our government to be in line with that envisioned by our founding fathers.
· Secure Borders. Immigration must be legal and regulated and our borders must be secure. Uncontrolled access to our country increases entitlement expenses, decreases available jobs and renders us vulnerable to terrorists who want to destroy us.
· Health Care. America has the best health care system in the world – a system which needs fine-tuning but definitely not a government take-over! We need to focus on free market reforms which will increase competition and decrease costs. A good place to start would be to allow health care insurance to be tax deductible, portable and sold across state lines. Additionally, we must pass tort reform to rein in skyrocketing costs associated with frivolous medical law suits.
· Energy Independence. Radical environmentalism has rendered energy development next to impossible. While we must be good stewards of the earth, God gave us this earth and all its resources for our needs. America has huge coal, natural gas and oil reserves. We need to responsibly tap into these reserves and stop relying on other nations to supply our energy. In addition, we need to vigorously expand our use of nuclear power as a safe, clean and efficient source of energy.
· National Defense. It is a primary responsibility of our federal government to provide a strong national defense to protect our nation, our liberty and our ideals. We should honor and respect our armed services and veterans, not undermine their strength and dignity. Additionally, we must aggressively pursue the war on terror and we must try prisoners of war in military tribunals, not as citizens in our civilian courts.
· Second Amendment. I believe in the individual’s right to self defense. The right to bear arms secures other rights such as freedom of speech, freedom to assemble and freedom to practice religion. If we allow disarmament of our citizens, we render our nation vulnerable to tyranny.
· Right to Life. I believe in the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Paramount is life. From conception to death, all human life must be considered sacred and must be protected.
If you believe in personal responsibility and limited government, please support me in my effort to change the status quo in Washington and return responsible representation to the 1st District of Michigan. If you feel powerless as you watch our government take your hard earned money and spend it foolishly, choose me. If you want an honest, hard working congressman who will answer your letters and phone calls, choose me.
As a surgeon, I have 30 years experience dealing with and solving serious problems. I don’t have all the answers to our nation’s problems but I will enthusiastically apply my skills and work with you to find them! Let us start here and work together to return our government to the people. Join my campaign and stand as a citizen of our great republic with your vote for me.
Sincerely,
Dan Benishek
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Thank you everyone for your support!
“The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.” – Samuel Adams
Just wrote my first check to Benishek for Congress
retail1 Sunday, March 21st at 7:49PM EST (link)and I am making a copy to send to Stupak with a special note inside. I am a lady (very mad one!) and I do not want to get banned from Redstate so I will not disclose what I said in my note.
Pelosi
OccamsRazor (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 11:43PM EST (link)While Nancy was going out of her way to NOT ‘only’ be known as the first woman in charge of congress, she made an over arching mistake the ‘typical’ 80′s office ‘tiger woman’ had made. She felt she had to be a bitch to make it in a man’s world-she should’ve just been herself. History would’ve judged her better.
Kowalksi
OccamsRazor (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 11:48PM EST (link)Intended to put ‘man’s world’ in quotes as a sarcasm, but then expand upon the simple fact to exemplify that women have their own great wonders in which to contribute-not just a man’s construct-as Pelosi should have done from the beginning (but failed miserably ( to the discredit of women)).
Dan,
cari Monday, March 22nd at 12:07AM EST (link)I want to say thank you. You have kept me positive, informed, and motivated to fight right up until the vote, and I am grateful.
This battle may have been lost, but not the war. I have a strong feeling, no, I have faith that much, if not ALL of this bill will never be enacted. That’s because there is one battle the Democrats never won on this healthcare bill, and that’s the hearts and minds of the American people. We won the “message war”. The American public knows what’s in this bill and we hate this bill.
Those who claim that this is not repealable, give as their reasoning that “it’s never been done before”. Well, what happened tonight has never happened before either. Our elected representatives just told us to drop dead. They wanted to make history. Now, they will be history.
Dan, I hope you will decide to lead us during this next battle. We need you. We need your insight, your influence and your confident optimism. After you take a much needed break, please post again and tell us your thoughts on where you think it’s best to go from here.
I, for one, will be anxiously waiting to hear. God bless you!
Thank you Dan.
aruges Monday, March 22nd at 2:02AM EST (link)Although my fears about Stupak and the Dem “Pro-Life” block were realized, your positive outlook got me through the last few weeks.
We did all we could. We just didn’t have enough to work with. Our losses in 06 and 08 were too great. Now we have to take back our liberty.
I have no intention of being made a subject.
I am a free citizen.