Does the Slaughter “pass the bill without voting on it” plan give the No votes political cover from both the left and the right?
Cover from the left: the undecideds who vote No could then say — I did not vote against the President’s health reform plan, I voted against the rule.
Cover from the right: the No votes can also say they were not comfortable with “passing the bill without voting on it.”
Cover for the White House: after losing the vote in the House, Obama can turn the lemon into lemonade — my health care plan did not fail in the House, the rule failed.
Cover for the Speaker: the rule on the Senate health plan failed, not the House health plan.
Now, the Speaker and the White House can go ahead and vote — and lose the vote on the rule, without losing too much face.
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Dan Spencer
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I doubt the cover will fly with most Americans.
mikedaire Wednesday, March 17th at 12:51PM EST (link)Without getting into the minutia of who voted for what, one thing will be clear: either the house nationalized health care or they didn’t. If they fail, the left will be disappointed. If they succeed, the right and center will be furious. In either case, the Democrats are about to be taken to the woodshed this election cycle by the American voter.
They must think soooo little of the American people
Darin_H (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 12:52PM EST (link)I guess they think since they snookered 52% 18 months ago that they can do this and everyone will shrug their shoulders.
They thought the same thing when they tried to steal the vote in Florida. We stopped them then and we’ll stop them now. Everyone knows that you vote for the rule = you voted for this monstrosity.
A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls
Only idiots would believe it would actually work this way.
Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 11:28PM EST (link)(Not you, Dan, of course.)
Now suppose you’re a Democrat. And suppose you’re an idiot. But I repeat myself.
Couldn’t help myself. Democrats are not idiots, yet Democrats in Congress seem to have a political death wish. They are hoping that the Slaughter rule will work for them as you explained it, but it’s a false hope. Even rational Democrats will not like this process, and all other rational voters will hate both the process and the result, if it passes.
The Slaughter rule has given the Congressional Democrats an opportunity to look even worse when they either win the vote or lose it than they would have looked by simply voting directly on the bill.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Sorry, Darin.
Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 11:31PM EST (link)I agree with you. Response above was meant to be directed at the OP by Dan to support your comment.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Their First Priority, room to weasel out of responsibility.
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 12:54PM EST (link)How utterly despicable. If that isn’t enough, as Cold Warrior has pointed out and will probably point out here again, it’s OUR fault! We, the American People, elected these corrupt dirtbags to their offices, by doing that we have given our consent to be governed.
This has got to STOP! Recent elections in Iraq and Afghanistan highlight the differences in our democracies. Citizens there turned out in the 80% range, risking voter intimidation and threats of death from Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Yet here in America our governance is so taken for granted that we fall short of 20% of our citizens voting for those who will govern them.
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I say the Democrats that vote yes LOSE.
bobojake (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 12:54PM EST (link)Just like the people of the other 49 states we donated money to help Scott Brown,Mass, defeat the Kennedy Democrat Croakley, we will do the same thing and support across State lines any politican Senator or Congressman that voted no against obama, reid and pelosi illegal healthcare bill and thug tactics.
When I was about 10 years old we had a field trip to the slaughter house of Swift Packing Company in Scottsbluff Nebraska. We seen what went on in the slaughter house to make Fine Cornhusker Beef.
What went on in the slaughter house of Swift Packing is nothing compared to what obama, reid, pelosi have done to get a yes vote on this illegal obamascare and the thug tactics used by the above.
There is not one reason to VOTE YES for any politican that votes YES on this horrible bill.
If it becomes apparent that it won't pass
obladioblada Wednesday, March 17th at 1:19PM EST (link)there will be a cascade effect. A substantial portion of Yes votes will switch to No. If this happens in a formal vote, we need to keep track of those who do the Yes-No two-step and make sure they’re punished along with the rest of the Yeses.
But they're ideologues
IronDioPriest (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:29PM EST (link)There are a good number of Democrats who are being told that now is the time to put their ideological money here their mouth has been all along. They are being told that sacrificing their political career is the price of accomplishing what they believe in, and that a severely injured Democrat party will result in America once and for all being cornered into Socialism.
This is the Coup de Grace of a long-term war to recreate America, and the foot soldiers are being asked to sacrifice.
We can vote the transgressors out, and they are already planning on it. But repealing an entitlement of this vast measure? That will take supermajorities in both houses to overcome Obama’s veto, AND a GOP with brass balls.
No, this must be stopped NOW. Repealing it, or threatening to vote the SOBs out of office will result in the same thing: a citizenry in servitude to his government.
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Yes, but when push comes to shove, how many of these so-called "Ideologues"
Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:54PM EST (link)do you think will REALLY have the courage of their convicitions? If it’s the difference between a vote (No) that might give them a chance to retain their seat versus a vote (Yes) that will likely cause them to lose their seat – and perhaps their family’s standing in their own neighborhood (like Senator Nelson) – which do you think most of them would choose?
THAT is what we have to keep hitting them with – the reaction from the folks back home…..
Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy ride…..
How many?
IronDioPriest (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 4:15PM EST (link)We’re only a couple handfuls of representatives away from the realization of their Leftist ideological coup now. We are on the razor’s edge.
I am not saying that we stop hanging the threat of electoral defeat over their heads – that is a necessary tactic, and a useful one. I’m replying specifically to the statement that Democrats who vote for this will lose in November, and I’m saying that electoral victory for conservatives in November is not adequate to kill this thing if the ideologues indeed have their way now at the expense of their seat.
If they pass this thing and send themselves into the political wilderness for a generation, the entitlement will be established, and nothing short of conservative supermajorities in both houses and the Presidency will overturn it.
It has to be won now, or electoral victory in November will be hollow retribution.
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Dan
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 12:54PM EST (link)Conventional wisdom is that this will pass. Your thoughts are interesting. There were a lot of members coming out in support of the legislation.
Not going to happen
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:10PM EST (link)The jig is up.
Really.
They are down too many votes.
Fox News has them down 4 votes with three days to go...
APA Guy (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:15PM EST (link)If they can brow-beat Kusinich into holding his nose and voting for this thing, I can’t imagine lesser, weaker holdouts holding strong against the White House.
They gained 7 votes today!
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:45PM EST (link)Nt
FDL latest whip=190 yes to 206 no
redneck_hippie (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:58PM EST (link)what is the count you looked at yesterday, and then today?
Name 'em. -nt-
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:21PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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So what happens now?
cari Wednesday, March 17th at 1:19PM EST (link)If they don’t have the votes, what do you think their next move is?
Dan, I don't think many realize it,
redneck_hippie (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:24PM EST (link)but you have been right all along. They do not have, nor will they get the votes, to pass Obamacare. Anything that happens from here on out is the foreplay to the death of the democrat party, with or without so-called HCR.
As far as the bogus shell bill, we need to vaporize the DC and district office phone systems, because as the Democrat party dives into suppression (and Rush just said that this is dictatorial on his program), we are called upon to save our freedom and the country. It is not about HR-xxxx at this point. It is about removing the clear and present danger of this jerk and his cronies.
I hope you're right.
LibertarianHawk (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:28PM EST (link)And you may be.
But Kucinich’s flip has me on the pessimistic side today — although I don’t think anybody will follow his lead (which isn’t to say they won’t also vote “Yes”…just not because of Kucinich doing so).
It’s going to be very, very close either way. But, as of now, my gut reaction is that they’ll squeak by with a one or two vote margin.
There are still a lot of holdouts, which suggests to me that they’re down to figuring out who has to fall on their sword and who gets out of jail free.
But The Hill’s whip count peaked at 37 “No” votes and is now down to 36 with Kucinich gone. It’s never gotten to 38, which is precisely the number we’d need to defeat the bill.
If that’s not writing on the wall, I don’t know what is.
Interesting take
IronDioPriest (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 12:56PM EST (link)Certainly this approach would fall in line with the Left’s craven approach to just about everything. They appear bold because of their hubris, but cannot ever fully reveal true intentions without obfuscation.
While I won’t dismiss your perspective Dan, I will say that it does not take into account the malevolence of the President or the Democrat/Socialist leadership and their contempt for the American people. They may indeed just be trying to cover their arses, but what then of their intentions of transforming America into a Socialist nation?
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That's a good argument to use with Dem representatives
Beaglescout (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 12:57PM EST (link)Tell them this gives them an out when they talk with unions and dKos types who are rabid about the imposition of socialist healthcare, healthcare unionization, and union medical plan bailouts on the US taxpayer.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
As long as this thing dies
discombobulated (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 12:58PM EST (link)Let them think they have cover on their votes.
Dan, question
RealQuiet (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 12:59PM EST (link)Why doesn’t the GOP get out in the open the attack line “If a House Democrat votes for the Slaughter Solution (Rule), then they are voting for the Senate bill”? It seems that the House Democrats don’t want to have the direct vote on the Senate bill on their voting records. So why not attack the Democrats with this, make them defend this and have them explain why voting for the Slaughter Solution is not a vote for the Senate bill? This would seem to put those on the fence Democrats on the spot and put Pelosi in a room with only one door. That being to hold a direct vote on the Senate bill. Your thoughts?
I was thinking
cari Wednesday, March 17th at 1:04PM EST (link)the same thing. We did that with the public option last summer and fall by saying that supporting the public option IS supporting single-payer. We won the message on that one. I think we can, and are, beginning to win the message on the Slaughter rule as well. Rush was just now on the radio saying the same thing, so the Americans know what’s going on. The question is, will the “living behind bullet-proof glass” Dems BELIEVE that the Americans know what’s going on over the voices of their own deceitful leadership?
Yup, make the Dems own this baby ENTIRELY, direct votes and all.
RealQuiet (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:12PM EST (link)Doing so just might cause House Democrats to run for the hills without voting for the Slaughter Solution or a direct vote on the Senate bill.
Ooops. I meant "sound-proof" glass. nt
cari Wednesday, March 17th at 1:24PM EST (link)Check out Erick's links for today frontpager
redneck_hippie (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:09PM EST (link)Blance Lincoln plans to use Slaughter trick against her primary opponent.
The Slaughter Rule is going to be deadly
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:06PM EST (link)for the Dems
Interesting
NDPhog (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 12:59PM EST (link)Hadn’t thought of it like that.
During the election, while some people were optimistic that we wouldn’t elect Obama, the math just didn’t add up. I’m not smart enough to predict elections based on moods, etc., so I have to look at the numbers. After the financial industry cratered in late fall of 2008, McCain was doomed.
Here, the math doesn’t point one way or the other. Nancy seems to need the undecideds to break her way, and fast (before Easter). However, the folks she needs are Democrats, so they aren’t really like the Independents that vote in elections.
I hope your right, and trust your instincts, and am optimistic b/c as long as she doesn’t have the votes, she doesn’t have the votes.
Melt down the phone lines
ag1985 Wednesday, March 17th at 1:03PM EST (link)If you’ve already called the people on Dick Morris’ list at http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/, here are some additional names based on the list at NRO. For your convenience, I’ve added the phone numbers to their names.
http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzQzMDMxNmZmZGQ4NTgzNDRjYzA3ODM5NGY4MzkwMjY=
Vic Snyder 202-225-2506, 501-324-5941
Marion Berry 202-225-4076, 870-972-4600
Melissa Bean 202-225-3711, 847-517-2927
Joe Donnelly 202-225-3915, 574-288-2780
Brad Ellsworth 202-225-4636, 812-465-6484
Bart Stupak 202-225-4735, 231-348-0657
Bob Etheridge 202-225-4531, 919-829-9122
Charlie Wilson 202-225-5705, 740-376-0868
Ciro Rodriguez 202-225-4511, 210-922-1874
Solomon Ortiz 202-225-7742, 361-883-5868
Mike Ross 202-225-3772, 870-536-3376
Betsy Markey 202-225-4676, 970-221-7110
Allen Boyd 202-225-5235, 850-561-3979
Suzanne Kosmas 202-225-2706, 386-756-9798
John Barrow 202-225-2823, 912-354-7282
John Adler 202-225-4765, 732-608-7235
Michael McMahon 202-225-3371, 718-351-1062
Scott Murphy 202-225-5614, 518-581-8247
Larry Kissell 202-225-3715, 704-786-1612
John Boccieri 202-225-3876, 330-489-4414
John Tanner 202-225-4714, 731-885-7070
Glenn Nye 202-225-4215, 757-326-6201
Brian Baird 202-225-3536, 360-695-6292
I have been told that Ross is against twice
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:15PM EST (link)Nt.
Larry Kissell's DC Office assured me he is still a firm NO
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:58PM EST (link)I’m leery of anything said by a democrat congress critter but he’s been a No for quite a while, publicly.
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Perhaps, but that is not why they are doing it.
davidstone Wednesday, March 17th at 1:09PM EST (link)They really think they can get the votes or else they would not have given Kuchinich a ride on Air Force One and beat him up so much yesterday to get him to vote for it.
It appear, and I know appearances can be deceiving, that they are getting dangerously close Dan…
Yeah, but
cari Wednesday, March 17th at 1:15PM EST (link)this sounds really desperate: (from NRO’s Critical Condition)
‘It’s on the Women Now.’ [Thomas Peters]
I’m surprised more reporters and wonks haven’t picked this up, but this just tells you again how blind they are to the abortion holdout in health care.
I’m told that Stupak met with Pelosi yesterday, but didn’t cave to her demands.
Today, Roll Call reports Pelosi called an emergency meeting of women-only members-only Democrats. The only purpose of this meeting would be to see what sort of abortion compromise they would be willing to accept, which could only come down to one of Stupak’s proposals.
Two things are very clear then: Pelosi does not have 216 votes without the Stupak coalition of pro-life Democrats, and the only way she can get enough of them to switch their votes is if the pro-abortion women Democrats give in. This is the only path I can see for Pelosi and co. to reach Magic 216.
But unless Stupak is cravenly lying, including his NRO
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:25PM EST (link)interview where he seemed to be genuinely bummed at Waxman’s crass equating of dead babies to money wasted, there’s no way they can satisfy him and still pass the bill without either sending the whole thing back to the Senate, or by using the Slaughter Rule, in which case we’re talking lawsuit upon passage.
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Here are more house members that are "undecided" or "toss up".
rsexteriors (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:15PM EST (link)We need to call them at their HOME DISTRICTS no Washington D.C. Especially if you live in one of these representatives home districts. They pay allot more attention to calls made to their home districts and right now you can not get through to Washington D.C.
Jason Altmire
Aliquippa Office (724-378-0928)
Natrona Heights Office (724-226-1304)
Baird, Brian
Vancouver (360) 695-6292
Olympia (360) 352-9768
Berry, Marion
Jonesboro, AR (870) 972-4600 (800) 866-2701
Cabot, Ar (501) 843-3043
Mountain Home, AR (870) 425-3510
Boccieri, John
Canton (330) 489-4414 or (800)826-9015
Capuano, Michael
Roxbury, MA (617) 621-6208
Cuellar, Henry
Laredo, Texas (956) 725-0639
Mission, Texas (956) 424-3942
Rio Grande City, Texas (956) 487-5603
San Antonio, Texas (210)271-2851
Seguin, Texas (830) 401-0457
Giffords, Gabrielle
Tucson, AZ (520) 881-3588
Sierra Vista, AZ (520) 459-3115
Gordon, Bart
Murfreesboro Office (615) 896-1986
Cookeville Office (931) 528-5907
Gallatin Office (615) 451-5174
Gutierrez, Luis
Chicago 773-342-0774
Hill, Baron
Jeffersonville In (866) 440-1321 and (812) 288-3999
Bloomington (812) 336-3000
Kaptur, MarcyToledo, Oh (800)964-4699 (419) 259-7500
McNerney, Jerry
Stockton Office (209) 476-8552
Pleasanton Office (925) 737-0727 or (408) 744-0727
Pomeroy, Earl
Bismark, ND (701) 224-0355
Fargo, ND (701) 235-9760
Baron Hill is a "yea"...
APA Guy (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:20PM EST (link)…according to Hannity’s whip count, he was already a lean that way. Yesterday he committed to voting for the bill.
I thought Cuellar
cari Wednesday, March 17th at 1:27PM EST (link)was a Stupak Dem.
I live in TX, but not in Cuellar’s district. Maybe a call to say that though I do not live in his district, my money can get into his district in the form of a donation to his opponent will communicate.
Even so
rsexteriors (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:39PM EST (link)it would not hurt to have his constituents burn up his phone lines
Policians have been know to change their mind when they feel the heat
They hung up on me last week when I called
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:19PM EST (link)I am not shocked.
Can’t think of a nicer guy to beat in 2010.
Gutierrez is undecided?
Joshua Persons (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:57PM EST (link)He’s my representative. I just called and told the receptionist I wanted him to vote no, and she said she’d pass it right on.
Formerly jpers36
NARF
Ah, ok, he's "No" on the other side ...
Joshua Persons (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:59PM EST (link)Gutierrez wants illegal immigrants to be covered:
http://bit.ly/97bIwR
Well, whatever gets him to that “NO” vote, I guess.
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Dan, you may well be right.
jpmulhern Wednesday, March 17th at 1:19PM EST (link)Everyone has been looking at the Slaughter rule as a way to give yes votes cover. But from the outset I have suspected that this final push to pass Obamacare in the House is designed to fail. I suspect Obama and Pelosi know they are beaten and that they won’t get this turkey over the finish line. But they have to go down fighting to avoid permanently alienating their nutty left-wing base. Nearly everything they are doing this week seems like a show for the base rather than a serious effort to win. Bringing Kucinich on board, for example, won’t affect the result, but it is great for base relations. Similarly, I can’t believe the Slaughter rule will help them pass the Senate bill, but proposing that rule might help them convince the base that they pulled out all the stops. And, as you point out, the Slaughter rule may also help soften the blow when the House rebuffs Obama on health care.
It would be nice to think that there is some quasi rational explanation for the behavior of the Democrat leadership. Radical utopian leaders are bad enough even when they’re sane.
But why would Kucinich agree to this?
davidstone Wednesday, March 17th at 1:57PM EST (link)If the process is designed to fail and bringing him in was only for base relations, why would Kucinich impair his reputation as a progressive for a bill he knows will fail?
Because his cute 30-year old wife
glorybee Wednesday, March 17th at 2:57PM EST (link)now gets to be a playa in Michelle’s obesity drive. She & Scarlet Johan -whatever get to advise all us fatties on “plant-based’ school lunches. Gives the phrase “testicular fortitude” a new slant.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2010/03/16/michelle-obama-gets-backup-from-scarlett-johansson-on-healthful-eating.html
What's Wrong With This Picture
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 3:05PM EST (link)Everything:
http://jordanhoffman.com/wp-content/uploads/dk-ejk-2preview.jpg
They're drinking purple kool-aide...
travelguy Wednesday, March 17th at 1:24PM EST (link)If this goes through the charge is “You. Allowed It. To. Happen.”
What was Pelosi's "woman only" meeting about
rsexteriors (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:26PM EST (link)this morning?
Is she trying to get them to give in to Stupak on abortion so she can get the votes?
We finally got my rep Carney to say he would not vote for the bill, but he used abortion as the reason, so if they get the liberals to give in on abortion will they have the votes
The best guess is
cari Wednesday, March 17th at 1:29PM EST (link)to get the pro-abortion women to cave because the pro-life men and women won’t.
And, what was Pelosi doing there?
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:36PM EST (link)I kid, I kid!
Probably sitting on Bill Clinton’s lap.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
the cannot fix abortion
miconservative Wednesday, March 17th at 1:39PM EST (link)in reconcilliation. Violates the Byrd Rule. If one Senator raises a point of order it will take 60 votes to overturn the ruling. Even if all GOP vote for it — the pro-abort dems in the Senate will not allow it to pass and abortion stays in the bill. The Pro-Life crowd in the House better not be fooled.
Breaking:
cari Wednesday, March 17th at 1:44PM EST (link)Olberstar has left Stupak’s bloc and is now a yes. (Politico)
I hear arms breaking…
The Hill already had him as likely yes.
NDPhog (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:02PM EST (link)That doesn’t change anything.
Pelosi needs Stupak votes
RealQuiet (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:58PM EST (link)The NRO article confirms that. Stupak has already said he won’t accept a seperate side car bill. Pelosi has no room here. The only way Stupak gets his language is if everything goes back to square one. Even though she was going to pro-choice women inquring what kind of deal they would take, she wouldn’t be able to get it into the legislation without starting over. The Senate aren’t going to do any fixes on the abortion issue and Stupak knows that.
Sometimes water is just looking for a place to go
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:35PM EST (link)I’m fairly certain, as you must also be, that they did not devise the Slaughter Rule in order to give House Democrats (and Pelosi, and Bambi) cover for bailing on it.
It just works out very nicely.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Totally agree. Some rationalizations are
redneck_hippie (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:46PM EST (link)more convenient than others. This is clearly a case of a dirty deed that accomplishes the prime objective (socialized U.S.) as well as enabling political apologia.
The Slaughter trick was the floodlight and proof that they don’t have the votes. The worse the whip count looks, the more they tout the trick. It is a 100% correlation.
Water and a few other substances roll down hill...
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:02PM EST (link)…this is one of those substances.
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LOL 555!!! -nt
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 3:00PM EST (link)Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
anyone who believes
miconservative Wednesday, March 17th at 1:36PM EST (link)that this cynical strategy provides them any cover is deluded. A yes vote on the Slaughter Solution is a yes vote for Obamacare. It is a yes vote for taxpayer funded abortion. It is a vote for the Louisiana Purchase and the Cornhusker Kickback. The Dems who try to deny this will face the same outrage as they faced at the townhalls last August. If they believe that this will get them past the healthcare debate they are nuts also. They are screwed.
Call Your Representatives Now!
Sheet Anchor (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:40PM EST (link)Call them now, and use their local numbers. Tell everyone you know to call them now! This is a fight for the soul and future of the United States of America; for the country we all love, and have inherited and preserved out of the blood and treasure of our forefathers.
Will the American citizens stand and fight as our great Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Guardsmen, and United States Marines, past and present, always stand and fight for our sacred liberty? This is a seminole moment in American history. We will live as one nation under God, or under government? Now is the time of decision! You must act now! Now is the time to let your voices be heard as never before. Where is the march on Washington? Where is the American spirit that never quits? Where is the American spirit that says “no” and “never again” to our enemies, and backs it up at all costs? Our soldiers are willing to die for this country’s preservation. Shall we not stand up on their behalf while they face bullets and bombs so we do not have to?
If you called already, call them again! If you have e-mailed them, do it again. If you have told your relatives, friends, neighbors, and co-workers, tell them to call and email, and fax them again! Stop what you’re doing and do it now! Our great republic is at stake!
Think of your children; and do it for them. Look into their faces; and then pick-up the phone and get on your computer, and let them know, we are still Americans, and we will not accept tyranny from anyone – foreign or domestic. We will never surrender to state control of our lives. Tell them that when you call and e-mail them. Tell them we are not socialists, and we will not live under it now or ever. Tell them like Churchill “We will fight them in the air; on the land; and on the seas. We will never surrender.” Call them now! E-mail them now! Fax them now! Let them feel the people’s power. Do it now!
We're done
joffen Wednesday, March 17th at 1:49PM EST (link)I don’t see how they will fail to pass a bill. This is disgusting.
Agreed
earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 1:55PM EST (link)Dan any last pick me ups?
Not if you insist on seeing the glass half empty. -nt-
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:28PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Olberstar, Kucinich, Kirpatrick
davidstone Wednesday, March 17th at 1:58PM EST (link)It sure seems like they are getting very close.
The only flip there is Kucinich. Take a deep breath. -nt-
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:27PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Okay,
davidstone Wednesday, March 17th at 2:56PM EST (link)It is difficult to not get caught up in the media’s hype.
FDL updated their whip count.
redneck_hippie (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 3:02PM EST (link)This is a dem site; however the count is 191 yes to 206 no, as of noon today. Closer with leaners, but unchanged from yesterday.
Which is *exactly* what they hope is going to happen.
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 4:41PM EST (link)It’s the entire ‘inevitability’ meme.
The vote tomorrow (if they can force one) on the GOP leadership legislation prohibiting the use of the Slaughter Solution may tell the tale. If it passes, stick a fork in HCR ’cause it’s done. There’s no way they get to 216 having to pass the Senate bill w/no assurances that the Reconciliation fixes and bribes will pass as well.
If the GOP resolution fails, it’s still not over because they still have to roll 7 of the 8 remaining ‘no’ votes from the 1st time around that are currently ‘undecided’. In the meantime, if you didn’t vote for the GOP resolution and you’re from a Red District, you get to envision the ads that will be run in the fall highlighting your support for a sleazy, unconstitutional process.
This has got to be one of the best strategic moves the GOP leadership has made in ages.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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The only number to keep watching is the number
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:31PM EST (link)of yes’s that have flipped no and the # of no’s that have flipped to yes. As of yesterday at noon, the Dems would have to get nine more no’s the first time to flip to yes.
Kucinich is no surprise to me at all ’cause I always figured he’s vote for 3/4ths of a loaf rather than get zip. The other 8 no’s are Dems from red districts who know there will be hell to pay if they flip.
The Keystone Kops are still running uphill.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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We are not done
texasgalt (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:48PM EST (link)Quit listening to every media update and rumour.
Kirkpatrick was a yes
joffen Wednesday, March 17th at 2:03PM EST (link)…on the Hill’s whip count. She was a firm yes. Unless, it’s someone else whose last name is Kirkpatrick?
The AUTOCRATIC party
Cargosquid (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 2:11PM EST (link)If the Democratic party refuses to, you know, actually use DEMOCRACY, should they be called what they are: The Autocratic Party?
something's up with Reps tomorrow...
tngal (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 3:25PM EST (link)Per the Hill’s briefing room…
The House and Senate GOP are planning a joint closed-door conference tomorrow (thurs.) and its all about healthcare. its happeneing around 9 am.
Could be they are just making a show of solidarity or they may have something of substance. I’d like to see something big.
Vote for imperfect or nothing threat
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, March 17th at 5:17PM EST (link)One problem is it is being spun as a vote yes for imperfect or get nothing.
Alternatives are not being communicated. I hope people are seeing through that spin.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.