What the in-play Dems are saying About ObamaCare


The following was emailed to me from a friend:

Rep. John Adler (D-N.J.): If the House and Senate can’t work out cost containment, I don’t see how I could support a bill that doesn’t help our business community,” Rep. John Adler (D., N.J.) said on “Fox News Sunday.” (John D. McKinnon and Jared Favole, “Democrats Voice Health-Bill Doubts,” The Wall Street Journal, 3/8/10)

Rep. John Adler (D-N.J.): “If the House and the Senate can’t work out cost containment, I don’t see how I support a bill that doesn’t help our business community and create more jobs.” (Fox News Sunday, 3/7/10)

Rep. Jason Altmire (D-PA): “Is she going to be able to hold everybody that was for it before?” Altmire asked. “What about the marginal members in the middle who got hammered over this vote and would love a second chance to perhaps go against it?” (Erica Werner, “Hoyer: Comprehensive Health Bill May Be No Go,” The Associated Press, 2/23/10)

Rep. Jason Altmire said today on Fox News that the President’s health care plan is a “missed opportunity” and is “very weak in cost containment.” (Fox News, 2/23/10)

Rep. Jason Altmire (D-PA): Others, like Representative Jason Altmire, a Pennsylvania Democrat who also voted against the House bill, seem to wonder aloud why Mr. Obama is bothering. With so many Democrats feeling nervous about their past votes in favor of the health bill, Mr. Altmire said, he can imagine vote-switching in only one direction: from yes to no. “I don’t know of any no votes at this point that would switch unless the bill is substantially changed, including me,” he said. “And I know of a handful of ‘yes’ votes who regret it and would relish the opportunity to put a ‘no’ vote on the board so they could go back home and talk about that.” (The New York Times, 2/28/10)

Rep. Jason Altmire (D-PA): “The Senate has given us a lot of reason not to trust them. Certainly that’s a key component of the dynamic of getting the votes is there has to be some certainty that the Senate is going to follow through on their part.” (Fox News Sunday. 3/7/10)

Rep. Jason Altmire (D-PA): “I’m not sure we’ve gone far enough in terms of fixing the underlying system to make it affordable for businesses and taxpayers.” Rep. Jason Altmire (D., Pa.), also appearing on Fox, said he needed “to see a much clearer picture of the cost containment.” (John D. McKinnon and Jared Favole, “Democrats Voice Health-Bill Doubts,” The Wall Street Journal, 3/8/10)

Rep. Michael Arcuri (D-NY) on the Senate bill: “There would have to be some dramatic changes in it for me to change my position,” Arcuri said…Arcuri says his opposition is based on three main concerns: That the bill is too sweeping and comprehensive; that Democrats plan to use reconciliation to amend it in various ways; and, substantively, that it calls for taxes on health benefits. (Brian Beutler, “For It Before He Was Against It: Arcuri Will Likely Vote No On Health Care,” Talking Points Memo, 3/3/10)

Rep. Michael Arcuri (D-NY) “NO” on health care: “I think the President wants action, but many people that represent moderate districts such as myself think that hey, you know, we need to take this thing and do it in a more incremental way, and we continue to think that.” (Gary Liberatore, “Arcuri to Vote ‘no’ on Senate’s Health Care Reform Bill,” WKTV.com, 3/7/10)

Rep. Michael Arcuri (D-NY): Arcuri, D-Utica, said he has multiple concerns with the Senate bill. “It’s not one thing in particular,” the second-term congressman said. “There is a real concern the changes we want in the Senate bill will not be passed.” (Mark Weiner, “Central New York Congressmen Emerge As Key Swing Votes on Final Health Care Bill,” The Post-Standard, 3/8/10)

Rep. Brian Baird (D-WA): He responded “yes” when host Candy Crowley asked if he would vote against the current proposals even if it meant that healthcare reform went down. (Bridget Johnson, “Baird: Healthcare Votes of Retiring Democrats Aren’t Necessarily In the Bag,” The Hill, 3/7/10)

Rep Shelley Berkley (D-NV): “I am not inclined to support the Senate version,” said Representative Shelley Berkley, Democrat of Nevada, who voted for the House bill in November. “I would like something more concrete than a promise. The Senate cannot promise its way out of a brown paper bag.” (Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Robert Pear, “Obama Calls For ‘Up or Down Vote’ On Health Care Bill,” The New York Times, 3/4/10)

Rep. Dan Boren (D-OK): “They can break my arms. They can do whatever they want to and they’ll never get my vote. Ever,” Boren said. “I mean they’ll have to walk across my dead body if they want my vote on this issue.” (“The Gales of November Came Early,” FoxNews.com, 3/6/10)

Rep. Dan Boren (D-OK): We cannot raise taxes in the middle of a recession. We cannot create a brand-new entitlement program when we can’t afford the ones that we have now. (Fox & Friends, 3/10/10)

Rep. Rick Boucher (D-VA): I reject unequivocally the unsavory deal making that took place in the Senate where Nebraska, Florida and Louisiana obtained special benefits that do not apply to the other states, and those special benefits provided to those states at the expense of residents of all the other states,” he said. “I simply cannot support legislation that contains those unwarranted giveaways to a select few states at the expense of the others…Boucher said he is hearing that cuts to Medicare funding to help pay for the reform package “may be as great as $500 billion. That’s ‘billion’ with a ‘B.’” … “I am persuaded that Medicare cuts at that level would impair the delivery of health care within our region. We have a large population that receives Medicare. It is the principal source of income for our nonprofit hospitals and virtually all the hospitals in my district,” Boucher said. (Steve, Igo, “Boucher Won’t Support Health Reform With Medicare Cuts,” The Kingsport Times News, 3/13/10)

Rep. Allen Boyd (D-FL): Rep. Allen Boyd, a conservative Democrat from Florida who voted no last time on the health overhaul, said Friday that using reconciliation would be “very problematic for a lot of House members” who don’t want Congress to override public concerns with the Democratic health bill. (Greg Hitt And Janet Adamy, “Pelosi, Democrats Push Ahead With Health Care,” The Wall Street Journal, 2/27/10)

Rep. Michael Capuano (D-MA): At this writing, it is not at all clear what legislative changes will be made to the final bill. Reconciliation is a complicated and dangerous process. In this instance, it requires the House to adopt the Senate bill and then trust that the Senate will pass, and the President will sign the reconciled bill that “fixes” any problems in the existing Senate bill. There is great risk in this course of action…Beyond the process, Capuano lays out a series of substantive concerns he has with the Senate bill, some of which he believes will fail the reconciliation test. (Brian Beutler, “Capuano Suggests He’s Leaning No on Health Care,” Talking Points Memo, 3/11/10)

Rep. Chris Carney (D-PA): “As I said publicly, I can’t vote for a bill that will publicly fund abortion,” Rep. Chris Carney (D-Pa.) told the Scranton Times-Shamrock. (Aaron Blake, “Carney Holds Line On Abortion Funding,” The Hill, 3/15/10)

Rep. Ben Chandler (D-KY): “Congressman Chandler’s position on the bill remains the same,” Chandler spokesperson Jennifer Krimm tells our reporter Ryan Derousseau. “He expects to vote against the legislation.” (Greg Sargent, “Two More House Dems To Vote No,” The Plum Line, 3/12/10)

Rep. Jerry Costello (D-IL): “I’m opposed to the Senate bill in its current form.” His concerns with voting for the Senate bill are that it would allow public funding for abortions, that the congressional budget office has yet to determine the cost of the bill, and that partially funding the bill by slowing the growth of Medicare by $500 billion would adversely affect senior citizens…I don’t like the process at all – I think the White House and the leadership has bungled this from the start,” he said. “It’s so complicated that the American people are fearful of what’s in the bill – this is a very complex issue that affects every man, woman and child, and it’s so complex that it scares people.” (Kathie Bassett, “Costello Opposes Heath Care Reform Bill in Its Current Form,” The Telegraph, 3/14/10)

Rep. Kathy Dahlkemper (D-PA): While Mrs. Dahlkemper campaigned as a supporter of health care reform and made an impassioned plea on the House floor in July, citing access as the problem that demanded action from Washington, she’s made it clear since the House acted in November that the key issue for her is abortion…Her office confirmed that recently when her spokeswoman said that Mrs. Dahlkemper could not support the Senate’s language “period.” (Nick Hildebrand, “Dahlkemper’s Health Care Opinion Is Hot Topic,” The Sharon Herald, 3/6/10)

Rep. Artur Davis (D-AL): “Congressman Davis will be present for the HC vote and he is a no,” Davis’s communications director, Addie Whisenant, wrote in an email. (Jeffrey Young, “Alabama Dem Lawmaker Will Break From Campaign Trail to Oppose Health Reform,” The Hill, 3/8/10)

Rep. Joe Donnelly (D-IN): President Barack Obama wants Congress to vote yes or no on a comprehensive reform measure from the Senate. Donnelly likes a lot about the bill, but its language on abortion is a “fatal flaw.” For him, it is a deal breaker. “I would not vote for it,” he said. He figures there will be a vote within a month or so. The abortion language is unpopular with “a significant” number of congressmen. It has the potential to kill the bill, he said…Joe Donnelly would prefer voting on health care reform one piece at a time. (W.S. Wilson, “Donnelly: Pass Health Bill In Pieces,” The Rochester Sentinel, 3/9/10)

Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-OH): “While I certainly support this initiative … I will not bend on the principle of federal funding on abortion,” Driehaus said in an interview with The Enquirer. “They are going to have to do it without me and without the other pro-life Democrats.” (Malia Rulon, “Biden Visiting But Driehaus Unswayed,” The Cincinnati Enquirer, 3/14/10)

Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-OH): Last fall, I worked to pass legislation to bring needed changes to our health care system, while putting in place strict prohibitions on the use of taxpayer funding for abortion. The House will soon take up this issue again. When there is a final piece of legislation, I will take the time needed to review the bill and determine how I will vote. However, my overall position is unchanged. Health care reform is critically important for our nation, and I support efforts to enact changes to our system – if those changes are done the right way. But I’m firm in my commitment that I won’t support legislation that provides federal funding for abortion.

Rep. Chet Edward (D-TX): “Once again, it will be a ‘no’ from Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Waco, on healthcare as congressional Democrats scramble for every critical vote. ‘If the question is whether I would vote for the comprehensive health care bill currently being considered, the answer is ‘no,’’ Edwards said in a statement to the Star-Telegram.” (Maria Recio, “Waco Democrat Chet Edwards Says He’ll Vote No on Health Bill Again,” Fort Worth Star-Telegram, 3/4/10)

Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ): “As I weigh it, I think — for me — a ‘no’ vote is something that I continue to lean toward,” Rep. Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz., the co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told Salon in a brief interview off the House floor Wednesday. “Especially the last additions — that was kind of a slap in the face for all of us who fought for the public option.” (Greg Sargent, “Key House Liberal “Leaning” Towards No On Health Reform,” Plum Line, 3/3/10)

Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL): Gutierrez, a member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (CHC) in which he serves as chairman of its Immigration Task Force, said the caucus still has concerns over the extent to which the healthcare bill excludes illegal immigrants as well as legal residents from receiving benefits in the healthcare plan. “They are enough to say I can’t support this bill,” Gutierrez said during an appearance on MSNBC. (Michael O’Brien, “Gutierrez: Health Bill’s Immigration Parts Enough To Vote Against,” The Hill, 3/11/10)

Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-SD): “I will not vote for the Senate bill as is,” she said. “I will not vote for a package of changes that would go through the reconciliation process.” (Kevin Woster, “Herseth Sandlin Says No To Senate Health Bill, Reconciliation,” The Rapid City Journal, 3/4/10)

Rep. Tim Holden (D-PA): “I will not vote for the Senate bill,” Holden said. “It makes significant cuts to Medicare and Medicaid … and the restrictions on (federal funding for) abortion are not as strong.” (Ben Wolfgang, “Conservatives Urge Holden to Oppose Reform Bill; Holden Says He’s Planning To Vote ‘No,’” Republican Herald, 3/11/10)

Rep. Steve Kagen (D-WI): “Let me put it this way: you’re asking whether or not I trust the United States Senate, where they came up with a deal for Nebraska that the other states didn’t get; where Louisiana would get a special deal. No, I don’t trust the U.S. Senate,” said Rep. Steve Kagen (D-8th District). “So I think I’d like to have a vote on something very meaningful…I have made the case to the speaker and also to the White House that we should take small pieces, small bites,” Kagen said. “In the practice of medicine, I can’t give a child a big pill. What do we do? We cut it up into pieces. Let’s find things we can agree on.” (Robert Hornacek, “Congressmen Sound Off On Health Care,” WLUK-TV, 3/8/10)

Rep. Larry Kissell (D-NC): Indeed, Rep Larry Kissell of North Carolina, who was rumored today to be mulling a switch from No to Yes, is not changing his position, spokesperson Haven Kerchner confirms to me. (The Plum Line, 3/8/10)

Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD): “He would vote against it,” the spokesman, Kevin Lawlor, says. Crucially, Kratovil would vote against the Senate bill even if there’s some kind of verbal guarantee that it would be fixed via reconciliation later, Lawlor says. (Greg Sargent, “Another House Dem A “No” On Senate Bill; A Previous “Yes” Now Undecided,” Plum Line, 3/4/10)

Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH): “I told the president twice in two different meetings that I couldn’t support the bill if it didn’t have a robust public option” or significant consumer protections, he said on MSNBC… If the White House is ready to go back and have a robust public option…Then we have something to talk about. Otherwise, I need to hear more about what they’re proposing. And what they’ve proposed so far isn’t anything different than I voted against.” (Jordan Fabian, “Kucinich Indicates Willingness To Be Deciding Vote Against Healthcare,” The Hill, 3/9/10)

Rep. Dan Lipinski (D-IL): Asked if the congressman is “open to voting for a health care bill that lacks the Stupak amendment,” Lipinski’s spokesman Nathaniel Zimmer replied in an email to The Weekly Standard: “No. Congressman Lipinski will not vote for a health care bill that provides federal funding for abortion.” (John McCormack, “Illinois Democrat Lipinski Will Switch From Yes To No If Health Bill Lacks Stupak Amendment,” The Weekly Standard, 3/8/10)

Rep. Dan Lipinski (D-IL): “I would not accept a promise that legislation will be acted upon in the future, because it’s unlikely that something will get done,” said Daniel Lipinski, D-Ill., who said he was one of the “Stupak Dozen.” “In my eyes, it would have to be done beforehand.” (Clea Benson and Edward Epstein, “House Democrats Still in Search of Abortion Agreement on Health Care Bill,” CQ, 3/9/10)

Rep. Dan Maffei (D-NY): “I will trust the president, but I will not trust the Senate,” Maffei said. “The Senate bill, in my view, burns the village in order to save it.” (Mark Weiner, “Central New York Congressmen Emerge As Key Swing Votes on Final Health Care Bill,” The Post-Standard, 3/8/10)

Rep. Jim Marshall (D-GA): First up: Dem Rep Jim Marshall, a prominent Blue Dog who voted No last time but was believed to be open to backing the Senate bill, is now a definite No, his spokesperson confirms… “Marshall is a no,” Marshall tells our reporter, Ryan Derousseau. (Greg Sargent, “Another House Dem Confirms He’ll Vote No on Senate Bill,” The Plum Line, 3/10/10)

Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-UT): “Health care reform is needed, but the bill before us is too expensive, does not adequately address rising medical costs and skyrocketing insurance premiums, and tries to do too much too soon. We simply cannot afford to create a new federal bureaucracy that costs nearly $1 trillion when our national debt is $12 trillion and there is no plan in place to address it. I will not vote for it.” (Scott Saxton, “McIntyre Says He’ll Vote NO Again on Health Care Reform,” WECT, 3/15/10)

Rep. Michael McMahon (D-NY): “I haven’t seen enough to have me come off my ‘no’ vote,” said McMahon (D-Staten Island/Brooklyn), who voted last year against a House version of health care reform. “I don’t see anything that would make me change my position.” (Tom Wrobleski, “Despite Makeover, Staten Island Rep. Michael McMahon Remains A ‘No’ On Health Care Plan,” SIlive.com, 2/23/10)

Rep. Jerry McNerney (D-CA): McNerney criticized the current version of healthcare reform passed by the U.S. Senate for the deals it makes with certain states, its lack of a public option and the inadequate number of people it extends coverage to. He said he would not vote in favor of that version of the bill if it comes back to the House. (Michael Moore, “Congressman Visits Morgan Hill,” The Morgan Hill Times, 2/18/10)

Rep. Walt Minnick (D-ID): Rep. Walt Minnick of Idaho will not change his vote from no, spokesman Dean Ferguson said last night. Minnick had declined to state a position when contacted earlier by the AP. (Charles Babington, “White House Hopes ‘No’ Votes Turn To ‘Yes’,” The Associated Press, 3/2/10)

Rep. Walt Minnick (D-ID): “If it is simply the Senate bill, I’ve looked at that and decided I was opposed to it.” …“This is not a process that I’m very excited about. I’d much rather have a bill that had enough support, bipartisan support, so you didn’t have to go through the process,” he said. “I think that sentiment is rather widely shared.” (Ryan Grim, “Minnick Waiting For Final Step In Health Care Fight,” The Huffington Post, 3/3/10)

Rep. Jim Oberstar (D-MN): Congressman Jim Oberstar of Minnesota has said that he will not vote for the health care bill if it lacks the Stupak amendment: “I will not vote for a health care bill that doesn’t have the House abortion language in it,” Oberstar told Congressional Quarterly on February 24. (John McCormack, “Illinois Democrat Lipinski Will Switch From Yes To No If Health Bill Lacks Stupak Amendment,” The Weekly Standard, 3/8/10)

Rep. Glenn Nye (D-VA): [I]f the bill that is put forth does not contain significant changes and does not actually reduce health care costs for Americans and small businesses, it will not have my support. I believe it is absolutely imperative that any health care reform bill reduces costs for families and small businesses, allows Americans to keep their existing plan and choose their doctor, is bipartisan, is deficit neutral, does not force Americans to use a certain type of health insurance, maintains Medicare benefits for seniors, and lowers the overall costs of health care. H.R. 3962 does not meet these criteria, which is why I do not support it.
Additionally, we must fix our current system before we add more people into it, which will only exacerbate any current problems…. (Jeffrey H. Anderson, “Rep. Nye of Virginia Looks Like A “No,”” The Weekly Standard, 3/15/10)

Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA): “If the final bill is going to bring down premiums for middle-class families and small businesses, then I’ll support it,” said Rep. Tom Perriello, D-Va., a centrist who voted for the bill in November but is now reserving judgment. “If it’s not going to do that, then I won’t.” (John Fritze, “Dems Have Trouble with Health Care Rifts,” USA Today, 3/5/10)

Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA): I just got off the phone with his office who told me that he was still undecided and waiting on the final language. I reminded them of the abortion promise, and the staffer told me unequivocally that if the abortion language does not change he will oppose the bill. He also said that if the middle-class taxes that are a part of the senate bill are not changed, that would lead him to oppose the bill. (“Where Are Pelosi’s Flippers?” NRO, 3/15/10)

Rep. Collin Peterson (D-MN): “No, I would not vote yes, and I don’t think they could pass it in the House,” said Peterson, the only Minnesota Democrat to vote against the House’s health care reform bill…Should a compromise plan not be possible, Peterson’s not opposed to punting. “I do think there are problems with the health care system that need to be fixed, but I’m not in the camp that says we have to do something no matter what,” he said. (Derek Wallbank, “Now What? Minnesota’s Delegation Has Many Views,” Minnpost.com, 1/21/10)

Rep. Mike Ross (D-AR): “He’s a no,” spokesman Brad Howard said by e-mail, in response to an ongoing survey of all 38 House Democrats who voted against health care legislation in the fall. (Jon Ward, “Arkansas Democrat Rep. Mike Ross To Vote No On Obama Health Care Proposal,” The Daily Caller, 3/8/10)

Rep. Mike Ross (D-AR): Ross, our only delegate seeking to stay in the House, tells me he remains “no,” even though the public option is gone from the Senate bill. He says the entire process has been “tainted” by political misplays and that 75 percent of his constituents are opposed. The Democrats have been “out-messaged” by the Republicans, Ross says. (Jim Brummett, “One of Our Lame Ducks Balks,” Arkansas News, 3/6/10)

Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC) on Obama’s Health Care bill: “I was actually surprised that they’re pushing it again. The most important thing is jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. We need to focus on jobs,” said Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina Democrat and a leader of the 54-member Blue Dog coalition of conservative Democrats. … “I don’t think a comprehensive bill can pass,” he said. “I hate to use a football analogy,” said the former Washington Redskins quarterback, “but first downs are a lot better than throwing the bomb route or the Hail Mary.” (Jon Ward, “Democrats’ Attempts To Coordinate Health-Care Message Leave Republicans Scratching Their Heads,” The Daily Caller, 2/23/10)

Rep. Ike Skelton (D-MO): Mr. Skelton says he does not see any improvements in the measure that would cause him to vote in favor of it; like Mr. Kratovil, he favors a smaller, less ambitious bill. “It would be a lot easier,” he said, “if we cut this back to basics — take two or three or four issues on which everyone agrees and build on it.” (Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Robert Pear, “Wary Centrists Posing Challenge in Health Care Vote,” The New York Times, 2/27/10)

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI): Mr. Stupak said in an interview that even if the abortion language were tightened, he still couldn’t support the bill, because it didn’t include the House’s tighter regulations on insurance companies, and it retained a tax on high-value insurance plans, albeit a watered-down one. “We’re not going to walk the plank again just to see the Senate shut us down,” he said. (Greg Hitt, Laura Meckler and Janet Adamy, “Democrats Chase Health Votes,” The Wall Street Journal, 3/3/10)

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI): I was pleased to see that President Obama’s health care proposal did not include several of the sweetheart deals provided to select states in the Senate bill. Unfortunately, the President’s proposal encompasses the Senate language allowing public funding of abortion. The Senate language is a significant departure from current law and is unacceptable. While the President has laid out a health care proposal that brings us closer to resolving our differences, there is still work to be done before Congress can pass comprehensive health care reform. (Ben Smith, “Stupak: ‘Unacceptable’,” Politico, 2/23/10)

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI): “Despite the abortion language, no, there are other problems with this bill… [I have spoken to] probably about 15 or 20 of them in the last 24 hours they’ve said there are other problems with this bill.” (Jordan Fabian, “Stupak: 15-20 Dems Withholding Support for White House Health Plan,” The Hill, 2/24/10)

Rep. John Tanner (D-TN): Mr. Tanner has told colleagues he has no intention of switching his vote, said one Democratic lawmaker who has spoken with him. (Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Robert Pear, “Wary Centrists Posing Challenge in Health Care Vote,” The New York Times, 2/27/10)

Rep. Gene Taylor (D-MS): “I don’t think the votes are there it barely passed the house last time, and I don’t think the votes are there to pass it this time,” said Taylor…”Two-thousand pages scares the dickens out of everybody, and what’s in those 2,000 pages,” said Taylor. “That’s why the call has been for single item bills that are smaller and clear.” (Kevin Wheeler, “Gene Taylor Holds Town Hall Meeting,” WDAM.com, 3/1/10)


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All good campaign fodder...

bkeyser Monday, March 15th at 9:27PM EST (link)

to use after this thing passes this weekend.

Its not going to pass

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:18PM EST (link)

The Jedi . . . er Pelosi mind trick of mindless predicting victory over and over agaiin never worked, and is less effective than ever.

Wasn’t this bill supposed to be signed in August 2009?

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 

Not so fast

rsjt Monday, March 15th at 10:26PM EST (link)

To anyone who thinks this is inevitable, or you are “too tired” or your credit card is “maxed out”, I suggest reading the “Do Not Resuscitate” post at

http://www.nationalreview.com/

PS – I am sympathetic to those who can’t afford to make contibutions to this fight but giving up, being too tired etc is weak. There are many ways to fight this that won’t cost anything such as e-mails, phone calls and visiting your reps office.

There are soldiers fighting to keep us free and to think people are giving up when freedom hangs in the balance here dosen’t wash with me. I’m a war vet so I feel qualified to say that.

My rep was...

dajeeps (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:53PM EST (link)

Eric Massa so I have none. My district has no voice for this vote, we’ve are by and large opposed to th bill and have been disenfranchized. If there is one thing that is more insulting to liberty and freedom than the sneeky back-door approch to health deform, its having them know my rep was a real slime and not bother with it until they wanted his vote on it. Of course the Obama-Chicago machine has been barreling through the state lately, rolling over New Yorkers without even feeling a bump. I’m not sure what there is to be done about it when all the go-to people have been either flattened by it or are apart of it.

This kind of corrpution is breathtaking.

…”I would quarrel with both parties and with every individual of each, before I would subjugate my understanding, or prostitute my tongue or pen to either.”
–John Adams

No quitting, dajeeps

SKully (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 11:31PM EST (link)

I don’t live far from you. Even worse than Massa, I have Louise Slaughter as my rep.

Do as Cold Warrior says -find out about Primary Challenge – New York’s version of the Precinct Committeeman project. They have excellent training programs. I became one and they really help.

Tonight, I attended a Pro-Life meeting, clutching wads of papers with phone numbers of congress fence-straddlers for us to call.

We have a chance, even in corrupt NY.

Never give up. Our soldiers are fighting for freedom half a world away. Let’s keep up the freedom fight on our end.

“Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.” James Madison

 
 
 

What is it with this pessimism?

writeblock Monday, March 15th at 10:29PM EST (link)

We’ve got a good shot at this. These are politicians and they read the polls and know the political landscape. The most effective arm-twisting of all is being done by constituents in swing districts. Nothing Pelosi promises can equal that. I totally agree with the observation that it’s far more likely that a former yes vote will flip to no than the other way around.

The pessimism sucks.

SoulEspresso Monday, March 15th at 10:38PM EST (link)

Losing heart means losing the battle.

I doubt it’s true for all of them, but I wonder whether the “tired-outs” were ever really even on our side. Not trolls … moles?

Some people think the MSM, Democrats, libs, et all are unstoppable

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:42PM EST (link)

They see the strategic warts on our guys, but think the other side is tactically flawless.

There is nothing flawless about Pelosi or Keith Overbite

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 
 

For what it's worth

stigmo Monday, March 15th at 10:43PM EST (link)

I don’t have money, but I have quadrupled my effort this week. I will be exhausted by the end of the week, but every last ounce of energy I have is going toward KILLING THE BILL!

Reading things like this

earthmover (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:59PM EST (link)

makes me so proud to share in the fight. Here’s to you, Stigmo! Go get ‘em!

 
 
 
 

While we continue to fight

miconservative Monday, March 15th at 9:29PM EST (link)

we need to begin to come to terms with the fact that these supposed “conservative” dems will cave and she will most likely get the votes.
Oberstar has apparently obfuscated already and Tanner is going to sell out for an Obama job. And there will be others. We need to begin to think about the ‘Repeal It” coalition and get ready to take this fight to the voters this fall. In the mean time pressure needs to be brought to bear on Right To Life to force them to get tough. If they won’t throw down the gauntlet on federal funding for abortion then they no longer have any credibility. They must put out a statement that says that anyone who votes for this bill is ineligible for their endorsement. If they do not do that then they are no longer a serious player.

There are liberals reasons to oppose the bill as well

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:19PM EST (link)

No reason to give up now. Better to encourage moderate democrats to live up to some kind of distinction rather than excuse in advance their weakness.

People said this crap about Stupak the entire time, and now they realize he is for real—as are others.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 

These few former no votes...

writeblock Monday, March 15th at 11:43PM EST (link)

…were always in Nancy’s pocket. They were in reserve. The fact that she’s calling in her chits is a sign of weakness, not strength. Meanwhile the no votes keep piling up. I think we’ll win this thing. If not, there are a battalion of lawyers ready to appeal to the SC. The fight has just begun!

 
 

I'm loving the spirit of the quotes, but

Praying (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 9:35PM EST (link)

many of them are from one or two – even three weeks ago. How much chance do you think there is for these congress-critters to waver from these confident sounding “NO” votes to “Yes” or “Maybe” under the bribes of the administration and/or the threats and knee-cap breaking of the unions and others? They’re pretty much damned if they do and damned if they don’t, except for those rare birds who actually have any honor and integrity left…

No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming

Of course, they're all being pressured ...

SoulEspresso Monday, March 15th at 10:34PM EST (link)

… but they know they’re all being pressured.

This needs to go around the Internet. Not only will they be held to their words at election time, they will be aware of what each other has been saying … perhaps they will realize that if they don’t all hang together, they will all hang separately.

… “Not in November. In March.”

Besides...

writeblock Monday, March 15th at 11:48PM EST (link)

…the greatest pressure of all is coming from the public itself. Not every Democrat is loony. Some get the big picture. The WSJ just published a poll of swing districts that showed devastating consequences for any member of Congress who votes yes on this thing. That speaks louder than Obama or Pelosi–and twists more arms more effectively. I think we’ll win this fight.

 
 
 

Thanks For Compiling This

C.S. McCoy (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 9:39PM EST (link)

Note that both Bye and Perriello, who look like they will vote no based on their statements above, are on the Hill’s “Undecided” list.

Call their offices, push them to a full no.

"Bye" Should Read "Nye"

C.S. McCoy (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 9:39PM EST (link)

I apologize for the typo.

I think Nye...

writeblock Monday, March 15th at 11:50PM EST (link)

…is a nay.

 
 
 

This is my best shot, then if it passes more will come later.

bobojake (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 9:44PM EST (link)

I would hope all democrats and republicans that are being illegally pressured to change their votes from NO(what their constitutents want) to yes(what obama, reid ,pelosi and et al, all are just like a Volcano, destructive as Hell and nothing left but ash holes)are recording all conversations, taking good notes so when litigation occurs proper charges can be files against ALL ILLEGAL ACTIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED BY ELECTED OFFICIALS.

 

Baird, oberstar, altmire have all flipped

earlgrey (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 9:45PM EST (link)

The ones that are claiming to vote no now are doing so because the dems already have the votes. I was thinking of going to a Tanner tea party tomorrow, but after reading the above post on him I think I’ll just run over lunch.

I am so tired of this fight. I have spent a all fortune (for me) on the anti health care causes and am completely exhausted. I’ll be leaving the credit card at home tomorrow.

Never give up

GJ Merits (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:03PM EST (link)

This fight is far from over. The Dems are counting on us giving in to health reform fatigue. Even if they vote for it, it is just the beginning.

Take it through to the Easter break if it lasts that long, then take a few days off and well hit them from other directions.

To Dan Perrin – great summary man and thanks. I hope we win this before we have to take the next step and face a constitutional crisis. I personally blame the GOP this time aound as they should have started tying up the Senate and all legislation starting last week.

Spineless cowards.

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison

If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.

To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.

Agree

Return to Revolution (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:20PM EST (link)

I’m exhausted, too. But that is part of the strategy. We need to keep fighting; if it passes, we fight to repeal. Take a breather and recharge iwhen you need to, but we’ll always come back and we’ll never forget. They won’t take our freedom without a fight.

Out of hand Constitutional fetishist

 
 

Leave your credit card at home, but you are wrong about the outcome

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:20PM EST (link)

It is not going to pass

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

What makes you so sure?

mavericktime Monday, March 15th at 10:28PM EST (link)

Are you a fortuneteller?

Are you?

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:35PM EST (link)

There has been so much untrue bravado on their end—there is evidence support that they are full of #@&$

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

If they had the votes

SoulEspresso Monday, March 15th at 10:45PM EST (link)

They would have already voted.

Look at when they scheduled the votes before, for the two different versions. One in the dead of night, the other on Christmas Eve.

I’m all for free speech, but to be an Eeyore when they keep dragging this out is a little ridiculous. They keep dragging it out because they can’t do it.

I won’t count on a congresscritter not to take a bribe, but if any of these do, it will be all over their districts within the hour.

If I were them, I wouldn’t dare–just for the sake of my home reputation. I wasn’t able to corroborate it, but I read somewhere Sen. Nelson has been wearing Kevlar since the holiday episode at the pizza parlor ….

If they had the votes...

mavericktime Monday, March 15th at 10:49PM EST (link)

That argument assumes that things are static. Pelosi, Clyburn and others are going around to Dems on the fence asking them what it would take to get their vote.

... and every last one of them knows

SoulEspresso Monday, March 15th at 11:14PM EST (link)

it will be all over the blogosphere and Fox News immediately if they cave.

Their price(s) will be known by all, as Nelson’s was. It means the end of their careers and possibly normal lives.

 

If its so hopeless, why do you bother?

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 12:18AM EST (link)

I’ll bet you have posted many comments on this site at many times in this process, and predicted inevitable doom.

The fact that the House bill barely passed (only with Stupak amendment), and the Senate bill is far worse to unions should give you some reason for some optimism.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

They vote when they know they have the votes

rjreset Tuesday, March 16th at 3:21AM EST (link)

And not a moment before. No vote, they do not have the votes. This is basic common sense here. They have NOT voted, they do NOT have the votes. They are probably just as anxious to get this over with as we are–even though they are on the wrong side of history I’m sure they’d like to put it behind them and get to the business of raising taxes and destroying businesses. The fact that they can’t move onto their “true love” of further destroying our freedoms means that they DO NOT HAVE THE VOTES.

THAT is why they rejected Obama’s demand that it be done before Easter, that is why he postponed his vacation… so that they can all put all their focus on convincing people who are voting “no” to vote “yes”. When you have the votes, you don’t bother with that. You go on vacation. And you meet arbitrary deadlines.

I’m not scared of these people and I do not believe they will get the vote ANYWAY. But even if they DID, it doesn’t end there. This will get repealed, ruled unconstitutional, or the states will simply refuse to comply and it will die that way.

This country was founded in days that were much worse and unpredictable than what is going on now, and the good guys won. Socialized medicine, a nanny-state, is not how Americans are wired. We got sleepy, and comfortable, and that was our error, but the sleeping giant is waking up and things will never be the same. I doubt we will ever find ourselves in a position like this again, regardless of the immediate outcome. Americans do not want this B.S., and one way or another, it’s going down.

 
 

Your argument assumes nobody on our side does anything

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 12:18AM EST (link)

Not much of a maverick, are you?

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

I'm not hopeless, just a natural pessimist & cynic

mavericktime Tuesday, March 16th at 12:25AM EST (link)

If you would read my posts, you will see that I go back and forth between believing the worst and the best, as most everyone here does – except for Dan Perrin!

First do no harm

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 12:39AM EST (link)

If you do go up and down, you realize how painful the down is—so you should try to avoid bringing others down with the “sky is falling”routine

I have been consistently optimistic about this process, and never more so than now (ok, the time period between Brown’s election and Obamacare the Undead II was better than now).

I have known for example that Bart Stupak was for real, and had reason to believe there were some others like him. When I have my down moments (not often), I unplug and consume the appropriate adult beverage.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 
 
 

And Clyburn knows how to get favors...

GregInFla (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 12:39AM EST (link)

ask his wife!


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Some few will cave...

writeblock Monday, March 15th at 10:31PM EST (link)

Most won’t.

 

Who said Altmire flipped?

mavericktime Monday, March 15th at 10:33PM EST (link)

I have not seen that anywhere.

"They wouldn't be doing that if they were anywhere close"

mavericktime Monday, March 15th at 11:31PM EST (link)

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/Altmire_leadership_even_working_the_hard_nos.html

That is encouraging

Menlo (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 12:59AM EST (link)

First time I’ve seen a recent comment from someone undecided who is claiming to still be listening to constituents.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

 
 
 
 

Since when did dems care about business,

rjreset Monday, March 15th at 9:55PM EST (link)

containing costs, or jobs?

 

You want to put pressure on someone

miconservative Monday, March 15th at 10:01PM EST (link)

put it on Right to Life. They need to stand up and be counted. The League of Conservation Voters put out an edict around the Cap and Trade vote and said that “anyone who votes against this legislation is ineligible for their endorsement.” Right to Life needs to do the same thing. But I bet they don’t. They don’t play hardball with Dems who are with them some of the time. They only put heat on Republicans who are with them all the time. Right to Life needs to stand up for life. NOW!

Wrong Message

GJ Merits (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:06PM EST (link)

They must stand up to kill this bill. Life is not the issue here as if any government controlled healthcare passes, then federally funded abortions will become a reality somewhere down the road. It just needs to be legislated in. The pro-life groups know it, the GOP knows it, and the Dems know it. It’s a non-issue in reference to the current bill.

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison

If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.

To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.

right message

miconservative Monday, March 15th at 10:21PM EST (link)

the pro-life groups do know that the passage of this bill means federal funding of abortion and they don’t seem to be fighting too hard to stop it. Why do they exist if not to stop something like this? This vote must be a deal breaker for them. Why isn’t RTL going after every supposedly pro-life dem who has indicated support for this monstrosity? The only way this gets stopped is if pro-life dems vote no. If even a handfull are converted to yes then all is lost.

Not True

GJ Merits (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:54PM EST (link)

Dr. Larry Hunter of the Social Security Institute and I have been over this with pro-life groups until we are blue the face. I wrote a post describing the fact that pro-life groups, in concentrating on the abortion issue only and ignoring the bill are being useful idiots for the Dems. The same is true of the House GOP. If they had voted present or no on Stupak to begin to with, we would not be here today. They voted in the name of political expediency instead of strategically voting. We tried hard to let the Senate know we would be scoring key votes, but other issues came up that needed addressing and ultimately led to the Senate GOP obstructing. I learned a very powerful lesson in all of this. The people you think are your allies often do not come close to being as such.

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison

If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.

To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.

Pro life means more than abortion...

GregInFla (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 12:42AM EST (link)

ir mean pro-life when humans are in the womb or when they are 85 and in need of healthcare. The Libs abhor life at both ends of the spectrum. In their own words, they want to fund abortion because kids cost a lot.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.

 
 
 
 
 

This is just foreshadowing,...

mmcan Monday, March 15th at 10:04PM EST (link)

In reverse. The old John Kerry spiel, being against it before being for it,…

They’re all whores trying to spin their exit strategy once they vote for this Obamanation.

This is gonna get ugly for every aspect of this country.

 

This will be OK, OK!

Ron Robinson (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:09PM EST (link)

Well Obama just told us today what it will really cost – he said our premiums will go down by 3000%!

Let’s see, that means I would be making back 30X what I pay in premiums, right?

Can we take cash or just pay down the deficit with it?

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Stupak Vote Estimate

C.S. McCoy (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:11PM EST (link)

For what it’s worth, Stupak just said on “On The Record” that he doesn’t think the leadership has 200 votes right now.

Stupak interview

mavericktime Monday, March 15th at 10:25PM EST (link)

First of all, this is absolutely ridiculous that Obama is putting close to half or more of the country through an emotional wringer like this. I personally am dreading the idea of the passage of this bill. Am I unusual? Are most people (aside from those on this and other conservative sites and liberal activists) blase about the whole thing?

Regarding the Stupak interview, he said that the leadership is asking people, “What would it take to get your vote,” and they are including those items in the reconciliation bill. So, even if a Member says that they are against the “current” Senate bill, that doesn’t mean that they are a no vote or that they’re even leaning no. They’re waiting to see what they can get from the leadership.

Almost all of the groups on the left are supportive of this legislation, warts and all. Will a Democratic Member of Congress, aside from the diehard conservative Democrats, actually defy the Democratic base because they think that they risk upsetting independents in their districts?

But then you have to think that there exist some Democrats who actually do care about policy and actually question whether they think that this bill actually will accomplish what Obama and Pelosi say it will. Did anyone read Robert Samuelson’s column today? Has anyone read anything by health care expert, Bob Laszewski? Both of these economic experts, as well as many others, think this bill is a sham and, at best, will not really do much, and, at worst, will make real reform that much harder to achieve in the future.

The insurance companies and the Republicans share the blame here because they didn’t attempt to reform the system in the past and allowed the Democrats to take this extreme path once they achieved their big majorities.

I take issue

lunarmanathome (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:43PM EST (link)

with “The insurance companies and the Republicans share the blame here because they didn’t attempt to reform the system in the past and allowed the Democrats to take this extreme path once they achieved their big majorities.”

This has little to do with either insurance companies or Republicans. This is a long held progressive, hell – socialist- dream. I will not lay the blame where you have. I will however place the blame squarely on an apathetic, ignorant and uninvolved citizenry.

What specific issues do you have with insurance companies? Health care costs are driven by more than just bottom lines, there are exeternal factors involved too. Were they even included in any of this so-called “health” “care” “reform” presently being “debated”? No – chief among them are tort reform and Pharma.

I will not cast back to 1994, or even when Bush first gained office. That is too short sighted and buys in fully with the Dems line that the Republican party held the Congress and the Executive for 8 years and did nothing.

I do agree with the bulk of your post that Dems in general favor this legislation and only object to specific aspects of it. They are spineless and without principle wrt the effect this will have on our Constitution, national character and future as a republic.

Insurance companies, etc.

mavericktime Monday, March 15th at 10:55PM EST (link)

are focused on the bottom line. Yes, every business does this and it only makes sense. But when you’re talking about denying people coverage because of a pre-existing condition, or you’re cutting off someone’s insurance because they get cancer, then the bottom line seems pretty heartless and inhumane. And, that’s how insurance companies are perceived – probably by most people.

Regarding the Republicans, there are some who have been legitimately concerned about the health care issue for some time. But most have not. Maybe after Bush failed in his efforts to reform Social Security, they were gun-shy. I don’t know, but it doesn’t seem like they have been serious about this issue until the Democrats looked like they might actually succeed in finally passing their long-wished-for legislation.

You missed my main points....NT

lunarmanathome (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 12:32AM EST (link)

Sorry, but you're missing something

GregInFla (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 12:56AM EST (link)

healthcare insurance companies do not set healthcare prices. The providers do. As a whole, they made 4% profit last yeat. United Healthcare made a whopping $54 per insured person last year. Others like Aetna made maybe $80, and that’s the high end.

It is a lot less expensive to put uninsurable people (those without insurance but with a large condition) in a government-subsidized pool. In fact, why cannot insurance companies cover people with pre-existing conditions, but just not cover that condition?

Keep in mind that people do not buy “insurance” You buy a “plan”. That is different. Insurance is buying something to pay costs in case something unlikely happens to you. Getting sinus infections and viruses are not unlikely. Office visits for moles on your back and sore throats should be the patient’s responsibility. But I digress… again..

Also, if you survive past age 40 in the USA, you have the highest average lifetime in all the world in the USA.

Also, what two areas had highest price increases in last few years: College education and healthcare. Common thread: lots of government money in each of them. And this bill, if it includes the end of the private student loan industry (as is rumored), means even higher college costs.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.

There are a number of things that would work

mavericktime Tuesday, March 16th at 10:33AM EST (link)

That don’t involve an increase in the size of the government bureaucracy to manage it.

I agree with you that it seems when government gets involved costs go up.

 
 
 
 

If you are right

GJ Merits (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 10:58PM EST (link)

These idiots have not idea the Pandora’s box they have opened. Sell you soul and see where it gets you. This will be nullfied and those who used backroom deals to secure their votes will be called out and charges pressed. Prison awaits these traitors. I personally would not want to be a Democrat Senator right now. I’d be scared as hell.

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison

If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.

To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.

 

Your assumption is wrong.

writeblock Tuesday, March 16th at 12:06AM EST (link)

It’s not necessary that we win over Democrats with a strong Dem base–only those Democrats in swing districts who depend on GOP and Independent voters for support.

 
 
 

Quit calling Allen Boyd a conservative

Fla Mom (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 11:09PM EST (link)

…even if the full phrase is ‘conservative Democrat.’ He votes with the Dems 96% of the time!

He voted no in the Budget Committee today, but possibly only because it had enough ‘yes’ votes.

(I write, call, and e-mail him frequently on this issue.)

Fla Mom

 

If they want an out

abeldred (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 11:38PM EST (link)

these Democrats need to go publicly on the record as a NO vote….put to rest the speculation and guessing games. Tell Pelousy and Obummer to put the bill where the sun don’t shine. If they went public, chances are they would at least salvage their scant reputations even if they lose their jobs in November. It seems beyond comprehension to me that anyone with half a brain who has objections to the process or the content would say anything but NO.

 

This is a crisis for Democrats, not Reps

septembergurl (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 12:14AM EST (link)

Consider:

If Obamacare passes, it will destroy the Democrat Party.

If it fails, it will destroy the Obama Presidency.

That’s what you call your win-win.

I admit I’m torn here. I’d like to see the dems go the way of the Whigs for their fecklessness, lameness, socialism, etc. But I’d also like to see Obama knocked back so he stops speechifying, apologizing, bowing, etc and goes into a defensive crouch for the remainder of his (single) term.

Take heart. We are winning.

 

This is a crisis for Democrats, not Reps

septembergurl (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 12:14AM EST (link)

Consider:

If Obamacare passes, it will destroy the Democrat Party.

If it fails, it will destroy the Obama Presidency.

That’s what you call your win-win.

I admit I’m torn here. I’d like to see the dems go the way of the Whigs for their fecklessness, lameness, socialism, etc. But I’d also like to see Obama knocked back so he stops speechifying, apologizing, bowing, etc and goes into a defensive crouch for the remainder of his (single) term.

Take heart. We are winning.

 

RealClearPolitics Count Updated - Looks Better

C.S. McCoy (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 1:01AM EST (link)

RealClearPolitics count has just been updated for I think the first time since Sunday.

They have 28 original Dem “nos” as “Very Hard To Persuade”. An additional 4 are in the “Hard to Persuade” category, while 5 are “Persuadable”. Separately there are the original yeses who are considering switching their votes, including the Stupak bloc.

This is not a done deal. The MSM has jumped onto the inevitability bandwagon, but the Dems are going to need to pull some votes out of their asses to get this, which obviously is possible.

Curiously, Periello isn’t on their list despite his statement today.

Keep up the pressure.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2010/03/counting_the_heads_of_house_de_1.html

The Left-wingers

stigmo Tuesday, March 16th at 1:18AM EST (link)

What makes me nervous is that we’re counting on goons like Kucinich.

True but Kucinich is a "useful idiot"

treeofliberty Tuesday, March 16th at 9:03AM EST (link)

A hardcore leftist/communist Kucinich is one of the few Dems I doubt would take a bribe to switch his vote; he’s a true Kool-Aid believer “captain goes down with Stalin’s ship” sorta guy and I know many are skeptical but he voted against the House bill for not being “left wing” enough I really doubt he’s going for the Senate bill.

No one’s better than the Democrats at turning against each other and if this thing fails, which I think is increasingly likely, the bloodbath will be fun to watch as the bluedogs battle the hardcore leftists like Kucinich and Obama-Pelosi-Reid try to play ref!

 
 
 

Very Telling

Mike LaChance (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 1:52AM EST (link)

Great post, Dan.

I think it’s very telling that Adler of New Jersey, (where Christie won) and Capuano of Massachusetts (where Brown won) are both in your post.

Ditto nt

mikerazar (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 2:03AM EST (link)

We have a nation to save, people.

 
 

At the risk of sounding naive...

Mike LaChance (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 2:27AM EST (link)

What does “nt” mean?

"no text"

scarlos (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 2:29AM EST (link)

I means that there’s no accompanying text after the title of the comment

Socialism is Oligarchy in disguise

AHA! Thanks, scarlcos! nt

Mike LaChance (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 2:35AM EST (link)
 
 

In addition to the Stupak "yes" votes going "no"

Adjoran (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 3:05AM EST (link)

Remember that Murtha, Wexler, and one other Democratic seat which voted “yes” are all now vacant, while the “no” side lost only Massa.

Pelosi has a lot of votes to make up, and not all these Democrats have been sequestered away so they don’t see the public is 3-to-1 against this bill.

She doesn’t have them yet, or she would have immediately scheduled a vote. Pelosi wouldn’t take the chance on anyone wavering.

The problem is the moving deadline. Remember how many times this deadline has changed already. They will keep pushing back the deadline until the moment they have the votes.

The Easter break does hold some power, though, because once these Representatives go home, they will get an earful from angry constituents, and it will be even harder to hold the “yes” votes.

 

Rep. Betsy Markey (D-CO)

jyalai (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 11:09AM EST (link)

Has been blasting us in Colorado with an ad that trashes the healthcare bill and thanking Markey for voting against it. Up in the 4th District, the smell of fear coming from the Democrats is stronger than the smell coming from Greeley’s feed lots.