23 Dem Yes Votes on ObamaCare Switch to Undecided


The Speaker’s flip-flops are catching up with her.

And the strangeness is starting to show (see the video): we have to pass the Senate bill so the public can see what is in it.

Her famed control over house members minds is fading: She supported Chairman Rangel right up until she dumped him. She did not have the muscle to impose upon the Ways and Means Committee, her choice of Chairman.

And on ObamaCare, the Speaker insisted the Senate go first, that she could not pass the Senate bill, that the House would not be a rubber stamp for the Senate, and that the Senate must prove it will act as she says it will, which is for the Senate to change their own bill into a bill the House wants. Uh, huh.

But the Speaker has flipped on all of it. Now, the House will go first, the House will pass the Senate bill without changing it (i.e. rubber stamp) and the House will act without proof the Senate will actually act in the way the House wants it to act.

Furthermore, the Speaker must now insist the following will not happen: the White House will not take the House passed Senate bill, sign it, declare victory, and move onto jobs.

The Speaker must argue that the Senate and the White House will put itself through months of more ObamaCare political pain, by letting the Republicans bog down the bill in the Senate, in a huge fight that will be another example of the Dems changing the rules and ignoring the public to pass a bill independent voters and seniors hate.

But assuming you believe that reality will be suspended — that the irrational is rational — and the White House and the Senate will act to bail out the House from passing a bill they don’t agree with, then there is the immovable Byrd rule problem on any abortion “fix.”

The Bryd rule prohibits legislating on a reconciliation bill. The rule is named after the still-serving Senator Byrd (D-WV). Sixty votes are needed to over-ride the Byrd rule on reconciliation. Both the Byrd rule and Senator Byrd himself stands directly in the path of legislating on abortion on any reconciliation bill.

You see, Senator Byrd is very vigorous in his support of the Byrd rule. He will vote with the 41 Republicans to enforce the Byrd rule. And the Byrd rule is very clear on abortion — precedents have been set — you cannot legislate on abortion on a reconciliation bill.

Add the Byrd rule vote count to the GOP’s clear and recently made public stance of upholding the abortion rule precedent on reconciliation, and the idea that abortion will be addressed or “fixed” in the Senate is, well, simply not possible.

And there are other pressures, including from the pro-abortion lobby. Fifty pro-abortion groups are pressuring the House and Senate to reject the Senate Ben Nelson abortion language because it is too pro-life:

“On Tuesday, a coalition of more than 50 women’s rights groups wrote Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Obama to ask for major revisions to the Senate bill because the current restrictions impose “unacceptable obstacles for women who wish to purchase insurance that includes abortion coverage and for plans that wish to offer it.”

Members of the House need to take into account this dynamic when considering “promises” to fix the public funding of abortion in the House bill.

Meanwhile, back in the House, the one thing the House leadership has stood up for is extending the White House imposed deadline of March 18 for a floor vote on the Senate passed ObamaCare bill.

This act of pushing back the vote does two things: first, it ramps up pressure on her own House Members by letting them twist in the wind for weeks longer as protests start to spool up, and second, the House leaders are admitting they do not have the votes to pass the Senate bill. That is why they are willing (again) to let their own caucus be targets.

Regional U.S. House Whip Rep. Cleaver (D-MO) agrees the Speaker does not have the votes. He said the Dems do not have the votes to pass ObamaCare in the House, and that some counts put the yes votes at 201, well short of what is needed.

Besides the fact that Rep. Cleaver’s honesty about the current whip count, here is The Hill’s own whip count: the ranks of the Yes votes on ObamaCare in the House are shrinking, and the Undecideds are growing. And Jay Cost’s whip count, which is excellent, and largely agrees with Rep. Cleaver, the Hill’s count and the NRCC’s count, can be found here.

The Hill found the number of Dem House members who voted “yes” for ObamaCare in November has shrunk by 23. These 23 have moved into the undecided category.

The NRCC target list that Erickson linked to yesterday has 25 Dem members who voted Yes for ObamaCare in November, and who are now at undecided. The Hill is at 23, and the NRCC is at 25 Yes votes who have moved to undecided. It is safe to call it about two dozen Dems who have moved off Yes. (The Hiller post on RedState noted a Yes vote on ObamaCare who is staying at Yes.)

So, the Undecided list keep growing. And once the Democrats in the House figure out that Senator Byrd will vigorously enforce the Byrd rule on abortion, and that the Republicans are stone-cold-serious about upholding the Byrd precedent on legislating on abortion on any reconciliation bill — then the number of undecideds will really grow some more.

Other pressure is mounting too. As those who had been predicting certain passage of ObamaCare head for the tall grass, the business community has grown bolder. The U.S. Chamber is spending between $4 million and $10 million to run ads in the districts of the newly undecideds.

Notwithstanding the President’s recent public speeches and his travel-the-country campaign for his bill, it is obvious and has been for some time that the President’s ability to change the course of legislation by speechifying has wilted.

How did the Dems get to this point? It’s simple: they have not acted rationally.


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Thanks for the update, Dan,

marinevet03 Wednesday, March 10th at 10:35AM EST (link)

this is good news. but why “Bryd” all over the place? I don’t see the significance.

Democrats, Leadership, and ObamaCare

GJ Merits (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 11:20AM EST (link)

I’m Canadian, my wife is British. Need I say more?

http://www.redstate.com/gman2008/2010/03/10/democrats-leadership-and-obamacare/

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison

If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.

To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.

 

Once the House pro-lifers

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 8:24AM EST (link)

see the Senate reconciliation “fix” that the House leadership is telling them that the Senate will do — cannot happen, then the House pro-lifers will not be tempted to make a deal based on a promise the Senate cannot uphold.

Uh, if you know what I mean..

 
 

If health care is defeated

stigmo Wednesday, March 10th at 10:39AM EST (link)

I am going to seriously consider naming my next son after you. God bless you, Dan Perrin!

I may be a little biased,

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 8:29AM EST (link)

but I think Daniel is a great name

What are your thoughts on this Slaughter move?

stigmo Thursday, March 11th at 8:46AM EST (link)

Can they do it?

 
 
 

Hey Dan if HCR reform is defeated in the coming weeks...

erod (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 10:48AM EST (link)

and the Repubs take the majority in the House, do you think the Dems will try to pass it in a lame duck session?

erod

GJ Merits (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 11:55AM EST (link)

I already asked Dan this question in another post and he did not believe so. Dr. Larry Hunter, former policy advisor to President Ronald Regan also does not believe that will happen.

My bigger concern is that the Byrd rule can be overruled. If the presiding officer (the VP could do this) decides to, he/she can overrule the parliamentarian and allow pretty much anything. This is also what Bob Dove, the parliamentarian before Alan Fumin (the current parliamentarian), has said in multiple interviews. In the Senate, there are no rules, they can make them up as they go along. Heck, they could kill the filibuster if they want to.

Of course, the blowback would be very severe, and I am not talking about just 2010 election stuff. I think this country would explode if they pushed this POS through by killing the filibuster or possibly even ending the Byrd rule. Of course, once comity in the Senate is destroyed then, as they say, paybacks are hell and our turn will come. The Dems know that, so any talk of killing the filibuster is just a bluff plain and simple. Schmuck Schumer is smoking something.

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison

If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.

To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.

Thanks GJ

erod (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 8:01PM EST (link)

I was at a conference all day just got back to my computer and the RS community

 
 
 

Great stuff Dan!!

RealQuiet (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 10:51AM EST (link)

The results of over-reach

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:04AM EST (link)

repeated, over-reach

 
 

Thanks for including the NRCC list, Dan.

Veronica (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 10:56AM EST (link)

A very comprehensive diary, I appreciate it.

Passing the word.

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Nice.

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 8:40AM EST (link)
 

Scared, are they?

RedBeard Wednesday, March 10th at 11:02AM EST (link)

Good.

I just had an interesting conversation with a staffer at the D.C. office of Dem Congresswoman Kathy Castor. I asked a simple question: “Will the congresswoman be voting for or against the health care bill?” The reply was, and I belive this is verbatim: “I am unaware that there is a health care bill at this time.” To which I replied, “You are unaware of the upcoming vote? I’m not sure I understand how that is possible.”

Second try, from me: “This would be the Senate bill that the president wants the House to vote on. Will she vote for or against?” Reply: “I am unaware of her position in that case. How would you want her to vote?”

Translation seems to be that the poor congresswoman is getting a lot of heat, and has instructed her staff to be evasive and disingenuous.

Imagine that. A United States member of Congress who won’t speak clearly or take responsibility. [insert rolling eyes here]

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

Oh she knows all right...

kmacwayne (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 11:37AM EST (link)

There is a “red shirt” rally outside her Tampa office tomorrow at noon – join us! She seems “all in” for this bill – quoting from memory – she said the same people who vote against this bill, would have voted against social security” yikes !
She knows full well there’s a bill and so does her staffer ( unless it’s some poor intern that started this morning) and she knows full well there are alot of us in Tampa committed to replacing her this fall.

Excellent!

RedBeard Wednesday, March 10th at 2:21PM EST (link)

Who is organizing it? Is there a website with more info?

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Things have to be pretty bad when they are taking

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 8:41AM EST (link)

refuge in a vapor bill.

But refuse to say how they will vote on the actual bill.

 
 

Rep. Solomon Ortiz (D-TX 27) Undecided

kipling (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 11:11AM EST (link)

I spoke with Mr. Ortiz’ Washington office yesterday and they said he was undecided on the Senate bill. Ortiz voted yes the last time after the Stupak amendment gave him political cover on the abortion issue. Representing a heavily Hispanic and Catholic district, and facing two serious Republican challengers (runoff primary in April), he needs political cover on the abortion issue again.

Excellent add. He is not on the NRCC list,

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:06AM EST (link)

thanks for adding his name to pile.

But he is on the FireDogLake list:

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/10/new-health-care-whip-count-191-yes-195-no-and-a-major-update/

 
 

Let´s get to the Easter recess

Castor (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 11:32AM EST (link)

Thanks Dan for the update. I believe that the undecideds want to go home for Easter and feel the pulsation and throbbing of their local tea party people in order to come back and venture a ¨NO¨vote.
This will be cover for their self-preservation ploy in November.

Let's get to Easter

jaykali (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:03PM EST (link)

I agree that if we can get this thing to Easter than we’ve got a much better chance at killing socialized health care. I was really panicked yesterday when I heard Stupak hedging on his stance but now I’m starting to think we can make it to Easter. That way these people can get yelled at at town hall meetings. I will go to any here in Little Rock if any congressman has the guts to actually hold one. You have guys like Marion Berry who don’t even care bc they’re retiring.

 
 

Byrd, not Bryd, nt

ammianusmarcellinus (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 11:33AM EST (link)

I’m not sure George is wrong about automobiles. With all their speed forward they may be a step backward in civilization. May be that they won’t add to the beauty of the world or the life of the men’s souls. ~ The Magnificent Ambersons

strangeness in my head, I guess

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:07AM EST (link)

fixing now

 
 

Breaking....Rahm confronts John Boehner..

speciallist (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 11:52AM EST (link)

Ha! So many possibilities.

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 9:54PM EST (link)
 

House, Senate Parlimentarians Set To Rule

GJ Merits (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:01PM EST (link)

Senate before House, House before Senate, both at the same time, which bill gets signed first!!!! Ahhhhhh!!!!! It’s driving me nuts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/health/policy/10health.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Exit question: Are the parliamentarians partisan?

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison

If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.

To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.

 

Thanks Dan, I appreciate your summaries.

Old_Crow (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:03PM EST (link)

“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” — James Madison

 

Dan I love your posts. Can you help us

earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:23PM EST (link)

Understand what. This parlientarian ruling is?

It is all very unclear and largely unprecedented

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:13AM EST (link)

so we are all in uncharted territory.

Having said that, if the Senate bill fails in the House, it is all a moot point, so the focus should be on the House vote.

 
 

Pelosi: "pass the bill to see what's in it" ? Someone check her for botox poisoning. nt

Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:30PM EST (link)

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

Pelosi translator: We aren't going to

redneck_hippie (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 9:41PM EST (link)

vote on an actual bill written on paper. We will, however, have a vote, the president will bless it, and then Harry and I will write it all down in a closed door meeting with the unions, Big Pharma, and lobbyists. Capiche?


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Without a record or tv cameras

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:14AM EST (link)

despite my promises

er, despite Obama's promises

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:16AM EST (link)

of transparency

 
 
 
 

Abortion fix

jaykali (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:07PM EST (link)

The republicans can say they will oppose any abortion fix via reconciliation or any other bill, now if they actually get to that point where they have to vote they will probably cave but that’s fine, no reason to show your cards now. If you tell them you’ve got pocket aces they have to call the bluff.

Speaking of abortion, could the republicans have killed this bill a long time ago by not voting for the Stupak amendment? That certainly would have been risky but I can’t help but wonder if this thing could have been dead a long time ago and never made it out of the house.

No, because Stupak was only insisting on a vote

civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:13PM EST (link)

As I recall, he price for supporting ObamaCare was not insisting that his amendment pass, just that it be put to a vote. So for Republicans to have voted this down would not have stopped the bill and would have be used as support for ending all restrictions on abortion funding.

Sometimes you just have to do the right thing and accept short-term consequences for long-term gain. Though here, voting against Stupak would have had no short-term benefit and no long-term gain – and indeed we would already have ObamaCare signed.

Conversely, our current hope of sinking the bill in large part relates to the abortion funding issue – so short and long term benefit.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

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Your recollection about Stupak is incorrect

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:38PM EST (link)

Stupak has consistently opposed HCR if it included subsidizing policies that covered abortion.

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Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 

I don't recall exactly - was the 10-12

bk (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 9:03PM EST (link)

the ones who’d vote no unless it got a vote or unless it passed?

It could be different now though – given that 25% of the Dems voted for the Stupak amendment it seems fair game for them to demand it be put back in. I suspect Pelosi was stunned that so many of them voted for it and also part of the reason she’d like to see the Senate bill approved.

Well, as the pressure increases on the No side

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:20AM EST (link)

any of the 64 Yes votes for the Stupak amendment have cover to vote no on the Senate bill, creating a large reserve of possible no votes.

 
 
 
 

Dan, I have a question about the "reconciliation" bill

Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:15PM EST (link)

Obviously, I know that if the Senate bill is signed, that will be it, but wasn’t there some deadline for the reconciliation procedure to take place? Or am I thinking about something else? Thanks!

Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy ride…..

There was a deadline, last year

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:16AM EST (link)

there is now no deadline anytime soon because it is a new calendar year.

 
 

Great update

Return to Revolution (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:46PM EST (link)

Looks like Pelosi will just keep it up as long as she is in power – that is, until November. Folks should realize this because there won’t be an “official” (or acknowledged) “time of death” of the bill. This is so even if she never comes close to rounding up the votes. This will continue making some of us nervous but sure will help at the ballot box.

Out of hand Constitutional fetishist

 

Polls showing movement toward approval

mavericktime Wednesday, March 10th at 2:24PM EST (link)

Republicans need to step up efforts to drive up the negatives on ObamaCare. The polls (RCP average) are showing movement toward more approval of ObamaCare. I don’t know what has caused the change in perception. Are Obama’s out-of-town speeches having an effect? Is Obama’s “all-in” stance creating more of an imperative?

Will the advertising efforts by business groups turn this around?

Lies, damn lies, and poll results:

majorkong Wednesday, March 10th at 3:09PM EST (link)

I am personally loathe to accept on face value poll results. Questions and samples can and often are skewed to obtain desired responses. As for Dear Leader’s out-of-town speeches—packed with pro-Obamacare audiences. This legislation remains toxic for anyone voting in favor of it. I wonder how my Congressman, who is in a safe democrat district, will enjoy being part of a permanent political minority incapable of getting anything done after 2010?

 

Um, which poll?

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:13PM EST (link)

Every poll I’ve seen shows Obamacare underwater. Even CNN says 40% want the current bill dropped and 25% more want the whole project cancelled.

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A way to pass the Senate bill IN the House WITHOUT a vote.

GJ Merits (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:56PM EST (link)

Dan,

Is this possible or just fluff?

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/10/dump-demcare-2000-protest-in-st-louis-keep-the-no-mentum-going/

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison

If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.

To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.

OMG, I Hope They Try This! (nt)

IJB Wednesday, March 10th at 3:07PM EST (link)

So do I

GJ Merits (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:23PM EST (link)

I am getting a great deal of chatter that this will trigger the necessary passion for a HUGE push towards nullification. Passion and the number of states was always a factor. Forget the SCOTUS, even if they rule in our favor. This would be an opportunity for 30-40 states to outright nullify ObamaCare and it would usher in the end of progressive politics, setting them back a hundred years or marginalizing the movement to the point of irrelevancy. Centralized power would be a thing of the past. A single state could never do this, but the potential exists here for a HUGE blowback if the House attempts this:

http://tinyurl.com/ya3dc7f

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison

If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.

To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.

We don't know that would happen.

earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:29PM EST (link)

This is really scary stuff. They are so ruthless in passing this, but does the average person know that? Can we survive this kind of blatant disregard? Are people who normally just watch dancing with the stars paying attention or is it just us?

Enough Will Pay Attention

GJ Merits (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:39PM EST (link)

Of that I have no doubt.

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison

If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.

To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.

 
 
 
 

It is possible

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:26AM EST (link)

but so is a meteor strike taking out Beijing.

This is the equivalent of we won’t seat Scott Brown until we have another Senate vote.

They can talk about it, plan it, but it is so vile that they would have to be insane to try it.

It's been well established that they are insane

stigmo Thursday, March 11th at 9:41AM EST (link)

This is civil war.

 

They are insane

texasgalt (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:43AM EST (link)

Dems are insanely obsessed over their health care power grab. The evidence is clear.

They will try any trick or deception and never mind the Constitution.

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We hate all versions of Obamacare

obladioblada Wednesday, March 10th at 3:47PM EST (link)

House version, Senate version, Senate + reconciliation “fixes”, it doesn’t matter. We don’t want any size, shape or form of Obamacare. We will punish all members of both House and Senate who vote/voted for Obamacare, regardless of the success or failure of reconciliation.

Members of the House who switch from yes to no votes can do a mea culpa on the initial yes and argue that they are responsive to the will of their constituents, but two yes votes are a career-killer.

 

Pelosi says they have the votes now

Menlo (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 4:05PM EST (link)

That is according to this article.

She claims she is only waiting on a CBO score, which makes little sense considering they already scored the Senate bill.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

Even I am having trouble believing this.

earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 4:46PM EST (link)

How can they get a CBO score on the "fix"?

bk (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 9:05PM EST (link)

I didn’t think it had even been converted to “bill” language yet.

 

She is in her own world issuing proclaimations of

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:22AM EST (link)

let them eat cake,

 
 

If Pelosi had the votes today, the bill would've been scheduled to be voted on *today*

eburke (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 4:35PM EST (link)

And the whole CBO scoring excuse is a total red herring. The already *have* the score on the bill that they’ll be voting on – because the Senate bill already *has* been scored.

She’s talking about the ‘reconciliation’ bill which is the biggest irrelevant, steaming pile in the history of the Congress ’cause it’ll *never* see the light of the Senate floor. Just part of the headfake and ‘inevitability’ meme.

When the vote actually gets scheduled for the floor of the House, *then* I’ll believe she has the votes.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

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Since when does Pelosi care about what health care

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 9:23AM EST (link)

costs?

Pathetic comes to mind.

 
 

I asked this in another thread,

qixlqatl (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 11:29AM EST (link)

but I really want an answer so I’ll ask it here as well.

If the progressives in congress manage to subvert or obviate the Constitution, what legitimate authority remains to them?

“Yet, Freedom! yet thy banner, torn, but flying,
Streams like the thunderstorm against the wind.”

George Gordon Noel Byron

 

pelosi

antisesquipedalion Thursday, March 11th at 5:29PM EST (link)

i like sarah palin a lot, but don’t want her to be my president (i’d be very surprised if she even tries—— she’s much too smart for that )

several of my friends and relatives are avowed Palinophobes, but i have a standard reply when i hear them making a nasty comment about her.

“i’ll see your Palin and raise you one Pelosi”

this lady wants us to pass a 1.3 trillion bill to “see what’s in it”

can’t tell if she is DAZED or STONED !!!!!