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	<title>Comments on: NYT: Liberal Admits Health Reform is Suicidal for Dems &#8212; urges doing it anyway</title>
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		<title>By: gloworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>gloworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible for a conservative mind to be infected with feminist propaganda...my mind isn&#039;t infected with any feminist thoughts, propaganda or otherwise.

Forty-million dead babies - and not one single coat-hanger was involved. -  and you know this because....? Besides, the coat hanger was just a figure of speech.

...as if a coat hanger is somehow less gruesome than a knitting needle and a vacuum hose. Where did I indicate that a coat hanger wasn&#039;t gruesome?

But every single person that is educated on the facts takes us one person closer to a majority of opinion on the matter...educating people to the facts do not necessarily change their mind or opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible for a conservative mind to be infected with feminist propaganda&#8230;my mind isn&#8217;t infected with any feminist thoughts, propaganda or otherwise.</p>
<p>Forty-million dead babies &#8211; and not one single coat-hanger was involved. &#8211;  and you know this because&#8230;.? Besides, the coat hanger was just a figure of speech.</p>
<p>&#8230;as if a coat hanger is somehow less gruesome than a knitting needle and a vacuum hose. Where did I indicate that a coat hanger wasn&#8217;t gruesome?</p>
<p>But every single person that is educated on the facts takes us one person closer to a majority of opinion on the matter&#8230;educating people to the facts do not necessarily change their mind or opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thinking they are being &quot;realists,&quot; or even chivalrous.  To wit, Ronald Reagan was the first governor to sign no-fault divorce into law.  The law was ostensibly intended to equalize things for women w/r/t property rights and abusive relationships, but the historic result has been the normalizing of broken marriages and fatherless households, both a boon to the expansion of government and marginalizing of the traditional family.

Easily accessible abortion in the name of &quot;choice for women,&quot;, incised men further from the family by revoking from them the ownership of their fatherhood at the will of the mother.  

It needs to be constantly repeated that both of the above social engineering initiatives are well documented as planks on the communist platforms, whether it be the hard Maoist or the soft Gramscian variety.

Do I &quot;think Roe v. Wade will be reversed soon?&quot;  No.  But every single person that is educated on the facts takes us one person closer to a majority of opinion on the matter.  Forty-million dead babies - and not  one single coat-hanger was involved. - as if a coat hanger is somehow less gruesome than a knitting needle and a vacuum hose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thinking they are being &#8220;realists,&#8221; or even chivalrous.  To wit, Ronald Reagan was the first governor to sign no-fault divorce into law.  The law was ostensibly intended to equalize things for women w/r/t property rights and abusive relationships, but the historic result has been the normalizing of broken marriages and fatherless households, both a boon to the expansion of government and marginalizing of the traditional family.</p>
<p>Easily accessible abortion in the name of &#8220;choice for women,&#8221;, incised men further from the family by revoking from them the ownership of their fatherhood at the will of the mother.  </p>
<p>It needs to be constantly repeated that both of the above social engineering initiatives are well documented as planks on the communist platforms, whether it be the hard Maoist or the soft Gramscian variety.</p>
<p>Do I &#8220;think Roe v. Wade will be reversed soon?&#8221;  No.  But every single person that is educated on the facts takes us one person closer to a majority of opinion on the matter.  Forty-million dead babies &#8211; and not  one single coat-hanger was involved. &#8211; as if a coat hanger is somehow less gruesome than a knitting needle and a vacuum hose.</p>
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		<title>By: gloworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>gloworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m NOT a feminist nor a liberal, and I&#039;m certainly NOT a &quot;pro-choice moderate&quot;. I&#039;m as conservative as they come and I detest abortion, and I don&#039;t see how you could think otherwise.  

Do you really think that Roe v. Wade will be overturned any time soon? I think we&#039;d have an easier time changing hearts than changing the law because Roe v Wade has become so politicized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m NOT a feminist nor a liberal, and I&#8217;m certainly NOT a &#8220;pro-choice moderate&#8221;. I&#8217;m as conservative as they come and I detest abortion, and I don&#8217;t see how you could think otherwise.  </p>
<p>Do you really think that Roe v. Wade will be overturned any time soon? I think we&#8217;d have an easier time changing hearts than changing the law because Roe v Wade has become so politicized.</p>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abortions - where the actual life of the mother is not in immediate danger - should be performed.

There&#039;s a 50%+ fatality rate for patients when abortions are performed in hospitals or clinics.  That would be every baby and an occasional mother.

Perhaps if the fatality rate was around 75% from back alley abortions the total numbers would go way down and the actual lives lost would be much closer to zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abortions &#8211; where the actual life of the mother is not in immediate danger &#8211; should be performed.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a 50%+ fatality rate for patients when abortions are performed in hospitals or clinics.  That would be every baby and an occasional mother.</p>
<p>Perhaps if the fatality rate was around 75% from back alley abortions the total numbers would go way down and the actual lives lost would be much closer to zero.</p>
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		<title>By: aesthete</title>
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		<dc:creator>aesthete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is that liberals always pick some third-world country or other to claim that back-alley abortions will skyrocket. In Europe, however, where there are several restrictions on abortion in most countries, there are very few back-alley abortions. I&#039;m not saying that we are Europe, but isn&#039;t that a better point of reference than Mexico or Costa Rica, and isn&#039;t it fraudulent to claim that back-alley abortions would skyrocket based on third-world country statistics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is that liberals always pick some third-world country or other to claim that back-alley abortions will skyrocket. In Europe, however, where there are several restrictions on abortion in most countries, there are very few back-alley abortions. I&#8217;m not saying that we are Europe, but isn&#8217;t that a better point of reference than Mexico or Costa Rica, and isn&#8217;t it fraudulent to claim that back-alley abortions would skyrocket based on third-world country statistics?</p>
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		<title>By: Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look up the statistics on the number of young girls who&#039;ve been sent home from PP clinics only to die in agony, bleeding to death on their bathroom floors.  All it takes is a miscalculation of gestation period by a few weeks and the pill becomes a lethal poison.  No coat hanger imagery necessary.  Again:  How far we&#039;ve advanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look up the statistics on the number of young girls who&#8217;ve been sent home from PP clinics only to die in agony, bleeding to death on their bathroom floors.  All it takes is a miscalculation of gestation period by a few weeks and the pill becomes a lethal poison.  No coat hanger imagery necessary.  Again:  How far we&#8217;ve advanced.</p>
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		<title>By: Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;sending young girls back to a dark ally with a “Doctor” and his coat hanger.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Radical liberal feminist imagery, right up there with the woman who gets mercilessly beaten by her husband every four seconds and Gramma eating cat food in order to afford her breast cancer treatments.

Medically necessary abortions - which have become as rare as hen&#039;s teeth due to the advance of medical technology - were never illegal.  The anecdotal, almost mythical coat-hanger abortionists couldn&#039;t be any more hideous than the specter of the &quot;clinician,&quot; hiding under the legal cover of Roe-Wade, leaving living breathing babies in closets, wrapped in plastic bags, to die from suffocation or exposure, whichever came first.  That our president voted to codify such treatment into law as an Illinois state senator has  gotten the attention of and won over many former &quot;pro-choice moderates.&quot;   Over 40 million dead babies and counting... How far we&#039;ve advanced since that mythical back-alley coat hanger technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>sending young girls back to a dark ally with a “Doctor” and his coat hanger.</p></blockquote>
<p>Radical liberal feminist imagery, right up there with the woman who gets mercilessly beaten by her husband every four seconds and Gramma eating cat food in order to afford her breast cancer treatments.</p>
<p>Medically necessary abortions &#8211; which have become as rare as hen&#8217;s teeth due to the advance of medical technology &#8211; were never illegal.  The anecdotal, almost mythical coat-hanger abortionists couldn&#8217;t be any more hideous than the specter of the &#8220;clinician,&#8221; hiding under the legal cover of Roe-Wade, leaving living breathing babies in closets, wrapped in plastic bags, to die from suffocation or exposure, whichever came first.  That our president voted to codify such treatment into law as an Illinois state senator has  gotten the attention of and won over many former &#8220;pro-choice moderates.&#8221;   Over 40 million dead babies and counting&#8230; How far we&#8217;ve advanced since that mythical back-alley coat hanger technology.</p>
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		<title>By: hickorystick</title>
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		<dc:creator>hickorystick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would be Karl Marx.  Unfortunately Congressman Adam Smith (rep. just south of McMarx) is not providing the stark contrast necessary to make that comparison instructional.      -I&#039;m stuck with the same representation, but voted for Beren-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>would be Karl Marx.  Unfortunately Congressman Adam Smith (rep. just south of McMarx) is not providing the stark contrast necessary to make that comparison instructional.      -I&#8217;m stuck with the same representation, but voted for Beren-</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you called it Dan...

And I pray they do try to keep breathing life into this corpse...and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if they do keep trying. 

I read a really good article yesterday on why liberals are so arrogant...and one of the theories are the just don&#039;t believe people who don&#039;t think like them really exist...they are true believers who really believe what they are doing makes sense and noone in thier right mind could possibly really believe HCR is a bad idea...or that it&#039;s a bad idea to give a federal bureaucrat the power to decide the kind of care you will be allowed to receive...the kind of medicines a doctor can administer...or whether your life is valuable enough to justify the resources spent to keep you alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you called it Dan&#8230;</p>
<p>And I pray they do try to keep breathing life into this corpse&#8230;and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if they do keep trying. </p>
<p>I read a really good article yesterday on why liberals are so arrogant&#8230;and one of the theories are the just don&#8217;t believe people who don&#8217;t think like them really exist&#8230;they are true believers who really believe what they are doing makes sense and noone in thier right mind could possibly really believe HCR is a bad idea&#8230;or that it&#8217;s a bad idea to give a federal bureaucrat the power to decide the kind of care you will be allowed to receive&#8230;the kind of medicines a doctor can administer&#8230;or whether your life is valuable enough to justify the resources spent to keep you alive.</p>
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		<title>By: gloworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>gloworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is not what I&#039;m fighting for. With or without Roe v Wade , there&#039;s still going to be abortion. I&#039;m not in favor of sending young girls back to a dark ally with a &quot;Doctor&quot; and his coat hanger.

What I&#039;m fighting for is to change the hearts of women who might choose abortion. Help them see that they&#039;re not disposing of a few inconvenient cells but human life. Help them choose life instead.

I&#039;m fighting for the day when it&#039;s not controversial to have Tim Tebow share his beliefs on national television.

I&#039;m fighting for the day when we all can agree that I or you shouldn&#039;t have to pay for someone else who chooses abortion instead of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is not what I&#8217;m fighting for. With or without Roe v Wade , there&#8217;s still going to be abortion. I&#8217;m not in favor of sending young girls back to a dark ally with a &#8220;Doctor&#8221; and his coat hanger.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m fighting for is to change the hearts of women who might choose abortion. Help them see that they&#8217;re not disposing of a few inconvenient cells but human life. Help them choose life instead.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fighting for the day when it&#8217;s not controversial to have Tim Tebow share his beliefs on national television.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fighting for the day when we all can agree that I or you shouldn&#8217;t have to pay for someone else who chooses abortion instead of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After Hillarycare flopped, the Clinton administration, under cover of federal regulation, attempted to strip the non-profit status and withhold all medicare  from hospitals that dared to accept commercial insurance payments from their non-indigent patients.  I live near one of the premier heart-lung centers in the world, Deborah Hospital, in Pemberton NJ, which has never in its existence presented a bill to a patient.  The result of such shenanigans would be to remove most charity hospitals from the playing field and further wedge the government between the poor, the middle class, and their health care.  Luckily, even democrats had a hard time understanding why the government would want to meddle with their pet charities.  The House turning R further foiled the Clinton&#039;s Battle of the Bulge like push in the wake of Hillarycare&#039;s demise.  The plan died a quiet death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Hillarycare flopped, the Clinton administration, under cover of federal regulation, attempted to strip the non-profit status and withhold all medicare  from hospitals that dared to accept commercial insurance payments from their non-indigent patients.  I live near one of the premier heart-lung centers in the world, Deborah Hospital, in Pemberton NJ, which has never in its existence presented a bill to a patient.  The result of such shenanigans would be to remove most charity hospitals from the playing field and further wedge the government between the poor, the middle class, and their health care.  Luckily, even democrats had a hard time understanding why the government would want to meddle with their pet charities.  The House turning R further foiled the Clinton&#8217;s Battle of the Bulge like push in the wake of Hillarycare&#8217;s demise.  The plan died a quiet death.</p>
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		<title>By: avgamerican</title>
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		<dc:creator>avgamerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is always referring to the rest of the world as being on the cutting edge of great progress. Really? Europe has high unemployment. Spain for instance has been investing in green industry for years. Late last year their unemployment rate was 18%. WHO says we are behind the world in health care. Really? Canadians regularly come into the US because they cannot receive the healthcare they need. We have the best healthcare in the world. The GOP needs to expose these lies. Make Obama defend the failing economies and healthcare systems around the world. Do not allow him to state false conclusions as fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is always referring to the rest of the world as being on the cutting edge of great progress. Really? Europe has high unemployment. Spain for instance has been investing in green industry for years. Late last year their unemployment rate was 18%. WHO says we are behind the world in health care. Really? Canadians regularly come into the US because they cannot receive the healthcare they need. We have the best healthcare in the world. The GOP needs to expose these lies. Make Obama defend the failing economies and healthcare systems around the world. Do not allow him to state false conclusions as fact.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb1950</title>
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		<dc:creator>wbb1950</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Congressman by virtue of geography as opposed to sanity.  He i got his ass sued for using a tape recorded conversation between Newt and Boehner, was known to friends and foes alike as Baghdad Jim, and now we find an admirer of Churchill,  By any standard of objective measurement he is a loon,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Congressman by virtue of geography as opposed to sanity.  He i got his ass sued for using a tape recorded conversation between Newt and Boehner, was known to friends and foes alike as Baghdad Jim, and now we find an admirer of Churchill,  By any standard of objective measurement he is a loon,</p>
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		<title>By: AngryMatt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I totally agree with you that health reform and killing the unborn are on totally different planes. I think we really do need to do our best to ensure that the health care system can give treatment to everyone, even the homeless, I simply believe that a government run system will push us further from that goal.

But one glance at the Kos Kidz or FDL and you&#039;ll realize that not only do they think a government run system is a moral imperative, they believe that NOT creating a governmetn run system is equivalent to killing people who do not have insurance. And suffice it to say, they also think adding in provisions that ban public funding of abortion will force women into back alleys. They don&#039;t care at all for the lives of the unborn, but we knew that already.

So no, in a moral absolutist sense, abortion and health care are not remotely close to one another. No one who genuinely believes in God would ever argue that. But NotSoBlueStater is right; in the minds of the fringe left, reforming health care is a moral imperative and restricting abortion kills women at the expense of a few cells. It&#039;s repulsive and backwards, but it&#039;s their reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I totally agree with you that health reform and killing the unborn are on totally different planes. I think we really do need to do our best to ensure that the health care system can give treatment to everyone, even the homeless, I simply believe that a government run system will push us further from that goal.</p>
<p>But one glance at the Kos Kidz or FDL and you&#8217;ll realize that not only do they think a government run system is a moral imperative, they believe that NOT creating a governmetn run system is equivalent to killing people who do not have insurance. And suffice it to say, they also think adding in provisions that ban public funding of abortion will force women into back alleys. They don&#8217;t care at all for the lives of the unborn, but we knew that already.</p>
<p>So no, in a moral absolutist sense, abortion and health care are not remotely close to one another. No one who genuinely believes in God would ever argue that. But NotSoBlueStater is right; in the minds of the fringe left, reforming health care is a moral imperative and restricting abortion kills women at the expense of a few cells. It&#8217;s repulsive and backwards, but it&#8217;s their reality.</p>
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		<title>By: frankieb</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep pushing your ridiculous health insurance &quot;reform&quot; and you&#039;ll all fall in November the way those domino structures do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep pushing your ridiculous health insurance &#8220;reform&#8221; and you&#8217;ll all fall in November the way those domino structures do.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2010/02/06/nyt-liberal-admits-health-care-will-kill-them-off-but-its-the-right-choice/#comment-7480</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, there is THAT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, there is THAT</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2010/02/06/nyt-liberal-admits-health-care-will-kill-them-off-but-its-the-right-choice/#comment-7479</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but they see themselves as moral and heroic..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but they see themselves as moral and heroic..</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2010/02/06/nyt-liberal-admits-health-care-will-kill-them-off-but-its-the-right-choice/#comment-7477</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Return to Revolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>Return to Revolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;that’s before the law goes into effect and people figure out that there are no death-panels, rationing schemes, or cuts in Medicare benefits&quot;

Does NYT deny that there is a stated &quot;rationing scheme&quot; or that the nature of the system itself will result in rationing?

Either way its delusional or deceptive beyond what I could previously imagine in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;that’s before the law goes into effect and people figure out that there are no death-panels, rationing schemes, or cuts in Medicare benefits&#8221;</p>
<p>Does NYT deny that there is a stated &#8220;rationing scheme&#8221; or that the nature of the system itself will result in rationing?</p>
<p>Either way its delusional or deceptive beyond what I could previously imagine in this country.</p>
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