and became much more *Republican* after.

to themselves and can only make it worse going forward with any type of reconciliation process. But hey, if they want to self destruct, let them.

It is already a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation for them..

Once again you bring a sense of calm to the topics at hand.

Thanks

don’t trust each other. And it starts with Pelosi not trusting Reid. The house has gone first on cap n trade and healthcare. Now the house is trying get the senate to pass the “fix” first, because they don’t trust them to keep their end of the bargain, even if they sign a pledge.

That’s the problem with traitors like Nelson and Specter. If they turn someone once, who’s to say they won’t turn on you the next time. Kind of like a married man telling his mistress to “Trust me”. Yeah, right.

I smell a rat. It is so impt that this obamacare be killed off. I see the deonks and obie willing to sacrifice theoir jobs and their comrades jobs to get it. passed. They hate Americans and want to control us. That is all.
If there are 8 or 10 million uninsired chronically, it would be better to buy them an HMO and give it to them. About 2-3 billion doillars…
Leave the rest of us alone.

for your vigilance regarding anything that is related to this deathcare bill. Thanks, and keep up the good work!

What if history once again calls on this hyper radical moderate? Beware…we’ve been scorched (or is it mugged) many times in recent history by this repugnant species.

Ntrepid
Proud Member for 5 Years and 5 Month

“Don’t look back; something might be gaining on you.”

She may know what that “something” is, and that it comes from the grassroots of conservative America.

…is that they ALL want to be seen as “doing something” when in fact more often than not the best thing they could do is nothing at all. The first rule of politics should be “first do no harm”. Unfortunately the urge to “do something” runs strong in the personality type that runs for public office. Even many so-called conservatives have the unspoken, and maybe unknown to themselves, desire to remake society.
Obama himself is always saying that Americans are looking to Washington to do something for them. Pols believe themselves to be more qualified and innately capable to solve our problems than We the People are ourselves.
I think that rather than have a litmus test for politicians on our side we should just ask of them to do whatever they can to get government out of the way and out of our lives. There are plenty of legitimate functions for government to do that can keep the busy bodies…busy.

If nothing else the Democrat’s kamikaze push for Obamacare has exposed the general public to the radical agenda of the Left and hopefully will energize people to stop and then roll back the Leftists gains over the last few decades. So although I want Obamacare to fail I also want them to keep pushing for it.

The GOP however can’t just sit back and reap the rewards and then go back to their establishmentarian behavior or else they will wind up handing power back to the Democrats in a few election cycles. That’s why it’s important that we elect conservatives whenever and wherever we can. It’s mushy moderates that thwart our agenda even more so at times than the Left by accepting the premises of the Left and negotiating from positions of weakness rather then forcing the Left to move to the right. Snowe is one of them. So I won’t believe Obamacare is dead until there is still nothing passed in August.

If they do it thru reconciliation, there’s no need to buy her vote. She could get a pretty sweet deal for being #60, probably even better than Landrieu and Nelson got because she would have the added benefit of making the bill “bipartisan”.

Of course, the voters of Maine would probably throw her out on her keister. Kittery is only 30 miles up the road from Massachusetts.

…”the Dems will be in a de novo — start at the beginning — situation, which is where they should start. ”

Well I for one don’t want them to start over with this crap. I want it dead unless their plan is for government to get the hell out of the medical and insurance industry altogether. Why is it always the idea that we will get something better if both parties are involved? What we will get is something that is not as horrible as it could have been. I’m for doing noting or for extracting the government and its rules and regs.. Anything else is more burden on a system overburdened with governmental stupidity and graft.

The “moderate” (R)s are quickly starting to realize that, A, they are being watched VERY closely by their constituents and, B, since they don’t have actual principles of their own, listening to said constituents is becoming VERY important.

This IS a great thing, as you say, Dan, because the Dems desperately want some — any — Republican cooperation. As long as the weak links on our own side can keep rebuffing, we continue to have hope.

The hubris, arrogance & disingenuity of the left has been on display for decades, but now it is so flagrant it has permeated the public awareness. Let’s please not kick over the Kool-Aid just yet. The more they push, the greater the revulsion when it counts.

from passing the Senate bill. Dan, what’s your info on this?

For the stupid stimulus that is nothing more than pork barrel wasted money, should walk the plank.

Somewhere out there in the virtual world I read that Susan Collins is looking to work with the Dems now on this bill. Do you know if there is any truth to this?

…supposedly. But when did this happen? How authentic are those citations of the bill? And how the heck can any bill be workable without mandates? It would seem that this would wreck the entire economic rationale behind the bill. How come the public–and the press–has not been informed of this? Not even the WSJ has commented on this. What’s the game here? Do the senators themselves even know about this? It’s crazy.

Sen Ensign brought up the unconstitutionality of the mandates in an amendment. Hatch at that time said the Senate “cannot ignore this question by simply punting it to the courts.” But Baucus said, “We have looked at this question seriously and concluded that the penalty is constitutional. And those who study constitutional law as a line of work have drawn that same conclusion.” So they shot down Ensign’s amendment, 60-39. So when did the change occur? Simply because some guy on the Kos website claims this is not proof of anything. Besides, there are other constitutional issues–a chief among them being whether Congress may regulate insurance companies in a way that causes them to fail or in a way that in effect constitutes illegal seizure of private property.

Like a Wizard of Oz character she’s already done. She has inflicted too much damage to America. I promise to do everything I can to make sure she is not elected when it comes time to dump her. She will either retire or loose next time she up for re-election.

But she is not runnng in 2010 so don’t be distracted by her. If you are from Maine help our nation by supporting conservative candidates who can challenge these liberal ladies.

What can be done via reconciliation in 2010 can be undone via reconciliation in 2012.

Just be wary that people, whether they are in Congress or not, say they will do some thing and then do another. It is human nature not to follow through. It can happen. If there is one thing, which I have learned from studying the Original American Revolutionary period, it is this. Never get comfortable. Never let down your guard. Power corrupts, We formerly lazy patriot, helped to create this mess, which the liberal have spearheaded, to begin with, by getting comfortable and letting down our guard and not getting involved. It is not true for all patriots, but it is true for me and probably many of you.

“If the desperate Dems try reconciliation, this time, they will have a far more serious Republican strategy of “outright war” to deal with.”

Sorry, as a ‘Nam vet, my idea of “outright war” isn’t parlimentary BS and having drinks together after the working day. It is unrelenting hostility at every turn. If anyone here thinks Snowe, Hatch, or McCain are up for that kind of fight, I’ve a bridge I want to sell you.