“There is no plan B,” Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) said. “There are so many problems with the Senate bill from the House view that they wouldn’t get a 100 votes.”
“After being filled in on the House negotiations with the Senate, Stupak said, “we’re looking at each other like, yeah, well that’s that’s good, but … even if you reach agreement, can you have it done by tomorrow? Because you’re not going to have 60 votes come tomorrow. They filled us in and it was almost like there wasn’t an election in Massachusetts.”
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY): “On a substantive level, I think this health care package might be doomed and it might not be the worst thing in the world to step back and say we are going to return with jobs first or we are going to do something that more people have a basic handle on, and then maybe we will return and take a deep breath. We need to get our balance back.”
Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) “I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated.”
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY), speaking to the New York Daily News as results were coming in last night, put it bluntly: “If she loses, it’s over.”
Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA): “…our respect for democratic procedures must rule out any effort to pass a health care bill as if the Massachusetts election had not happened.”
Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) told a local reporter, “It’s probably back to the drawing board on health care, which is unfortunate.”
Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.) told us the results prove that unhappiness with political leaders has “gone mainstream” and could hit anyone.
Rep. Allen Boyd (D-Fla.) said “when it happens in Massachusetts, it really throws us a curve. It’s a big deal for a lot of members here.”
“There’s going to be a tendency on the part of our people to be in denial about all this,” Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) told ABC News, but “if you lose Massachusetts and that’s not a wake-up call, there’s no hope of waking up.”
But the White House is still pushing the politically toxic ObamaCare — and ignoring the economy and job related concerns of the average American. David Axelrod said this morning: “It’s not an option to simply walk away…” and that “I think that it would a terrible mistake to walk away now. If we don’t pass the bill, all we have is the stigma of a caricature that was put on it. That would be the worst result for everybody who has supported this bill.”
Speaker Pelosi, ever the true believer in the Pagan god of health care reform: “We will get the job done. I’m very confident. I’ve always been confident.”
There virtually no daylight between the liberal (Frank and Weiner) and the so-called moderates (Webb and Bayh). But the White House and the Speakers office are still living in dreamland — circa early 2009.
The new political reality on health care is owned by Senator-elect Brown:
“One thing is clear,” Senator-elect Brown said. “People do not want the trillion-dollar health care plan that is being forced on the American people.”
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Thank you Dan..
erod (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 3:30PM EST (link)from the bottom of my heart. You have been such a source of optimism and hope during this dark battle. I hope you celebrated last night; I know I did!
Thanks
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 4:04PM EST (link)I was happy to do it.
Thank you Dan..
erod (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 3:30PM EST (link)from the bottom of my heart. You have been such a source of optimism and hope during this dark battle. I hope you celebrated last night; I know I did!
When there's no one following, you're not exactly a leader.
Crowe (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 3:34PM EST (link)The White House and Speaker may charge ahead, but even the loyal, true-believer lieutenants like Wiener and Frank aren’t following, let alone the foot soldiers… That never ends well for the ‘leaders.’
But who am I to stop them from charging into the hail of fire awaiting them from all sides? It’ll be more fun to watch their own people do it.
“We sleep soundly in our beds only because
rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harmDear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”If no one is following,
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 4:06PM EST (link)then you’ve been abandoned.
Obama to Axelrod:
Russ Martin (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 3:36PM EST (link)“Nothing is over, until WE decide it is!” “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor”?
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” George Washington
LOL!
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 4:02PM EST (link)n/t
Leave him alone...
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 4:54PM EST (link)… he’s on a roll.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
Thanks for putting these quotes together.
jodetoad Wednesday, January 20th at 3:37PM EST (link)Trying to assess the reaction, still seems like the dems don’t get it. They see the threat, now, but are seeing it as a GOP threat. They don’t understand that it’s voters, citizens; that the GOP couldn’t do this if it tried.
Perhaps it’s comforting to frame an existential threat as something more mundane. We tend to do it also, even by calling them “the dems”, as I did above. “They” are not the old Democratic Party, many of whom are on our side now.
Success requires accurately defining goals and obstacles. If they don’t figure out who we are soon, they are unlikely to find a strategy to combat us. Just keep calling us teabaggers, and minimize us, and shoot themselves in the foot.
The easiest course of action in Congress
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 4:07PM EST (link)is inaction, and doubt and fear cause inaction.
there are some in the GOP that
exidore (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 6:38PM EST (link)need to understand that this sort of groundswell can be pointed at them,
too.
It is amazing to watch many of them latch on to the Tea Party and try make it
“their own”; IMHO there will be some very hard looks taken at nearly every
single one of them.
BTW, thanks, Dan!
(I usually just skulk out here, but last night’s results got me fired up!)
“Death smiles at everyone. Soldiers smile back.”
There are some (few, but some)....
IronDioPriest (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 6:45PM EST (link)…politicians within the GOP who deserve to be included as a part of the Tea Party movement – at the movement’s whim, of course. None can claim a leadership role, and none can claim the movement for the GOP. But some can show by their record and their rhetoric that they are indeed “one of us”, and we should welcome them with open arms.
“If we finally fail in this great and glorious contest, it will be by bewildering ourselves in groping for the middle way.”
-John Adams, 1776
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Do it.
Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 3:42PM EST (link)I dare you people to keep pressing on.
I think this guy knows he is going to be a one-termer. I think that was the plan from day 1.
James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.
That depends entirely
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 3:55PM EST (link)on who our candidate is. 1996 was the Republicans’ year to lose, and lose it they did, by picking Bob Mitchell Pt. II as our representative.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
I think I see the math now
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 3:45PM EST (link)Dumb + exceedingly evil = 60 seats, unstoppable for a little while
Dumb + well-meaning adn naive = 40 seats for awhile, but thank God the other side is just as stupid as you are.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Obama calls a press conference...
speciallist (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 4:40PM EST (link)That is one funny, funny photoshop
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 4:55PM EST (link)LOL
btw, I love that sig too
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
Moderate Democrats = SOUNDING Moderate
ggross56 (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 3:50PM EST (link)And Evan Bayh is an expert at sounding moderate.
For the first time since Nov. 2008, I feel Hope is making a comeback
antisocial (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 3:53PM EST (link)Hey Dems,
How is hope and change working out? Here is some unsolicited advise: “Kill the Bill”. That is in case you are interested in staying alive in politics.
PS: You can’t get it right.
Obama Doctrine – Boot On The Throat
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What is to be done?
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No. You can’t – Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
Thank you
Tamerlane Wednesday, January 20th at 3:58PM EST (link)I normally just lurk here, but I must thank you for constantly presenting optimistic scenarios regarding the failure of Obamacare. The thought that this bill will finally fail is electrifying.
Dan, I know you always thought Obamacare
davidstone Wednesday, January 20th at 4:08PM EST (link)would never pass. But has it now officially used up all 9 of its lives.
Good point
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 9:33PM EST (link)But what if it is not a cat but a ghost, you know, it is caught between the land of the living and the dead, destined to be neither.
one of the best lines I've ever heard comes from
louisiana (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 4:09PM EST (link)RachDubya via HA: “Pelosi may have balls, but she just lost her weiner” Yeah I know it comes close, or maybe even crosses the line– but did you laugh? My sincere thanks to Dan, too, who has been a rock for RS.
Now, there are two types of Democrats in the house,
Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 4:18PM EST (link)those whose seats are not at risk and the other 200.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Let's just drive a wooden stake through the heart of Obamacare
muffin Wednesday, January 20th at 4:20PM EST (link)This needs to die NOW.
Thanks, Dan, for gathering all the quotes. As for Scott Brown’s win, I’ll quote from the legendary Jackie Gleason, “How SWEET it is!”
Fortitudine vincimus – By endurance we conquer
The Dems blame everyone but....
clintonformccain Wednesday, January 20th at 4:35PM EST (link)Notice that the Dems put the blame everywhere but where it belongs: with Mr. Kiss of Death himself. The One.
There probably was a bipartisan agreement to be had. A less far reaching agreement, to be sure. That’s what leadership is all about, right. Understanding the legitimate positions of all sides and looking to carve out areas of agreement. That’s politics. That’s why most Presidents don’t whine about not having 60 votes.
The problem is that this guy is utterly clueless. I wonder if the Dems are ever going to start counting the political corpses piling up of those who made the mistake of hitching their wagons to him? He’s the Kiss of Death politically.
I think they are beginning to get the message
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 9:30PM EST (link)MA is hard, really hard, to ignore.
There may not be a plan B, but there are always plans L and S,
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 4:49PM EST (link)as in Lie and Smear or Slime. As far as I am concerned they can continue to Lie and Smear as much as the want, and I will regard that statement as just one more in the mountain of Lies told so far.
Don’t get me wrong, Brown’s victory last night was a great thing and one to be celebrated. I’ve been celebrating myself. Having the AP call the race less than 90 minutes after the polls closed was an inconceivable victory. I fully expected at least a two week court fight before moving to the inevitable parliamentary games. A clear cut victory for Brown is the best news I’ve heard in over a year (and I include my landing a job after being laid off in that year).
I just fully expect one more dead of night slimy maneuver to push this through. Therefore I will give no quarter until Republicans again control the Senate, and after they do, I will remain reluctant to grant quarter because of a long, long, long history of lies and abuse. Last night we stepped back from the point of the precipice, but we are still too near the edge for me to be comfortable.
Gadfly, Morris agrees with you . . .
reallyfive Wednesday, January 20th at 10:07PM EST (link)Just watched the beginning of O’Reilly (recorded from earlier). Dick Morris seemes convinced that Pelosi is still going to try and push the Senate bill through the House and that she can get the votes from the Blue Dogs who were allowed to vote no last time.
Not only did Morris think she was going to try and bring the Senate bill up for a vote, but he said it will be Obama’s last major domestic legislative bill that gets signed.
Dan, you know the House . . . after everything that has happened in the last year, I would not be surprised if Pelosi brings the Senate bill up for a vote, but why do you suppose Morris thinks she will be able to get the votes after what happened in Massachusetts last night?
Obama is clueless or lying (again)
traversecityconservative (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 4:59PM EST (link)Regarding Obama’s “analysis” of the Brown victory…the dude is just clueless if he thinks the fake Dem rage in 2008 is anything like the legitimate American rage of 2009 and 2010. The prez was elected because people had no idea who Obama was. Brown was elected because they do.
Political leaders?
snopercod Wednesday, January 20th at 5:04PM EST (link)“Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.) told us the results prove that unhappiness with political leaders has “gone mainstream” and could hit anyone.
It says a lot that these clowns consider themselves to be “political leaders” rather than representatives of the citizens.
I'm Proud
thelonebostonconservative Wednesday, January 20th at 5:54PM EST (link)I used to be ashamed of my state and the tyranny we were forcing on the rest of this country. Today, I am so proud to be from Massachusetts.
The Massachusetts Miracle, finally put down this insatiable leviathan called Obamacare.
Massachusetts has always had a historic role
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 9:28PM EST (link)in the direction of the Republic.
Last night it did so again.
Thanks as well.
joshgosser (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 6:11PM EST (link)As many have said, thank you for helping me keep thinking this could be stopped. As hopefully last night does for good.
But also your explanation of many Senate rules was terrific.
Conservative in Topeka, Kansas.
NewtGingrich360
No problem
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 9:27PM EST (link)Listen to Howard Dean spin the Mass. results:
discerningconservative (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 8:31PM EST (link)Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy
It’s kind of long, but worth watching. Chris Matthews does a pretty good job of challenging him, which I found surprising.
Agreed
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 9:21PM EST (link)It is worth watching.
So now what do you think will happen?
bk (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 9:20PM EST (link)I’ve felt all along they’d pass *something* but the Brown victory has been a real game-changer. The Democrats who didn’t want to vote for it have cover now and there’s nothing Pelosi can do about it.
Obama and Reid are praying that Pelosi could pass the Senate bill as is, but it seems pretty clear THAT’s not going to happen. Even if the liberals cave, they’ve completely lost all the moderates in the mean time.
There seem to be two polar opposites at work now:
- A tremendous amount of political capital and good will were expended to get it to where it is now.
- A number of Democrats who didn’t like the bill but voted for it anyway would not vote for the same bill again today and won’t bribed off like Nelson and Landrieu were.
I don’t see at this point how they can do anything other than start over. Trying to jam something in via reconciliation can’t possibly work. They pretty much need to go back and start with something like the original Baucus bill or something that Snowe would go for. But of course Reid has stabbed her in the back several times since then, so he almost has to go crawling back to her.
I am going to write a post about
Dan Perrin (Diary) Wednesday, January 20th at 9:26PM EST (link)what I think will happen. Probably tomorrow.
In general, I think that your comments above are entirely accurate.
Why the Dems think that spending more time on health care with a new bill or via reconciliation is a mystery to me — do they not understand the public wants them to something else?
But they keep doing it and having a bad day. Pelosi refuses to stop. I think the White House and the Speaker are beyond desperate and will continue to damage the Dems.
So if health care is dead for the moment
bk (Diary) Thursday, January 21st at 10:00AM EST (link)why couldn’t Obama and the Dems go ahead and shoot for that $500B elimination of waste/fraud/abuse that was in the bill. The longer they wait, the longer that money is getting wasted or stolen right?