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		<title>By: surfcitysocal</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gridlock, baby, gridlock.  

Like you, I hope this report is true.</description>
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<p>Like you, I hope this report is true.</p>
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		<title>By: voteindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>voteindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burt Reynolds is screaming like a little girl as they go down the rapids.

LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burt Reynolds is screaming like a little girl as they go down the rapids.</p>
<p>LOL</p>
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		<title>By: nessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>nessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at the same time.  That movie has been a staple of barracks humor since its release.  Of course barracks humor will get you banned around here long before you hit the punchline.  Hell, i thought about posting the video but decided decency was the better part of valor in this instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at the same time.  That movie has been a staple of barracks humor since its release.  Of course barracks humor will get you banned around here long before you hit the punchline.  Hell, i thought about posting the video but decided decency was the better part of valor in this instance.</p>
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		<title>By: ashland_avenue</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashland_avenue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I struggled with being respectful and avoiding profanity.  Anthony Weiner apparently didnt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I struggled with being respectful and avoiding profanity.  Anthony Weiner apparently didnt.</p>
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		<title>By: nessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>nessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course its the same thing the American people are getting from the healthcare debate...  

I leave the remainder of this comment box for each reader to fill in using his own imagination.  

If you haven&#039;t seen Deliverance put &quot;squeal like a pig&quot; in your search engine and watch the video, wiki doesn&#039;t do it, or the healthcare debate, justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course its the same thing the American people are getting from the healthcare debate&#8230;  </p>
<p>I leave the remainder of this comment box for each reader to fill in using his own imagination.  </p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen Deliverance put &#8220;squeal like a pig&#8221; in your search engine and watch the video, wiki doesn&#8217;t do it, or the healthcare debate, justice.</p>
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		<title>By: ashland_avenue</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashland_avenue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny choice of words by Weiner.

The term was used in film Deliverance.

This from Wikipedia:

After a stray comment about moonshine offends the hillbillies, Bobby is forced at gunpoint to strip naked. McKinney&#039;s character chases after and physically harasses Bobby as he tries to escape. His ear is twisted to bring him to his hands and knees, and he is then ordered to &quot;squeal like a pig&quot;..... Ed is bound to a tree with his own belt, helpless....

link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliverance

Why on earth would a Democratic congressman use the term to describe a meeting of his own party&#039;s Senators?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny choice of words by Weiner.</p>
<p>The term was used in film Deliverance.</p>
<p>This from Wikipedia:</p>
<p>After a stray comment about moonshine offends the hillbillies, Bobby is forced at gunpoint to strip naked. McKinney&#8217;s character chases after and physically harasses Bobby as he tries to escape. His ear is twisted to bring him to his hands and knees, and he is then ordered to &#8220;squeal like a pig&#8221;&#8230;.. Ed is bound to a tree with his own belt, helpless&#8230;.</p>
<p>link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliverance</p>
<p>Why on earth would a Democratic congressman use the term to describe a meeting of his own party&#8217;s Senators?</p>
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		<title>By: sharonmcp</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharonmcp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone walking up and bitch-slapping that little weiner on national television and then having it replayed over and over on the jumbo-tron in Times Square.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone walking up and bitch-slapping that little weiner on national television and then having it replayed over and over on the jumbo-tron in Times Square.</p>
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		<title>By: itrytobenice</title>
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		<dc:creator>itrytobenice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They already had SCHIP up to $80,000 in income.  They were already 80% of the way there.  But that&#039;s not good enough for our statist leaders.  

Now I just hope they overstepped far enough to get some real conservatives to DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They already had SCHIP up to $80,000 in income.  They were already 80% of the way there.  But that&#8217;s not good enough for our statist leaders.  </p>
<p>Now I just hope they overstepped far enough to get some real conservatives to DC.</p>
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		<title>By: itrytobenice</title>
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		<dc:creator>itrytobenice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because seldom in American history has there been a New York Democrat with more reason to be called Weiner than him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because seldom in American history has there been a New York Democrat with more reason to be called Weiner than him.</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in case they are playing Rope a Dope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in case they are playing Rope a Dope!</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m talking about is how they keep trotting out some high level Dem to make it sound like it&#039;s dead....all the while they&#039;re in the back room drinking coffee and hamming it up with the managers who will later come out and announce they&#039;ve swund this vote or that one and it will pass after all...

Kind of like used car salesmen...it&#039;s a well known tactic...as they&#039;re negotiating with you...that you state a number...the salesman says...let me see if I can get my manager to agree to that....he disappears and has a coffee and a bull session in the staff lounge and then comes back and knocks a much smaller number off the original asking price and tells you that&#039;s all his manager will let him do...the only question to be answered is...did the guy even bother talking to his manager to add a little truth to his ruse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m talking about is how they keep trotting out some high level Dem to make it sound like it&#8217;s dead&#8230;.all the while they&#8217;re in the back room drinking coffee and hamming it up with the managers who will later come out and announce they&#8217;ve swund this vote or that one and it will pass after all&#8230;</p>
<p>Kind of like used car salesmen&#8230;it&#8217;s a well known tactic&#8230;as they&#8217;re negotiating with you&#8230;that you state a number&#8230;the salesman says&#8230;let me see if I can get my manager to agree to that&#8230;.he disappears and has a coffee and a bull session in the staff lounge and then comes back and knocks a much smaller number off the original asking price and tells you that&#8217;s all his manager will let him do&#8230;the only question to be answered is&#8230;did the guy even bother talking to his manager to add a little truth to his ruse?</p>
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		<title>By: davidstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>both independents - Sanders and Leiberman - were demanding something.  Leiberman wanted the removal of the public option, Sanders did not.  Nelson also had demands.  Leiberman and Nelson got everything they wanted, Sanders got none of what he wanted.

Sanders voted for the bill, got Jack Squat, and had as much pull as Nelson and Leiberman.

Part of me understands why progressives do not stand on their principles - because their principles are weak and they know it.  We all know what progressives stand for.  We also know the tactics they use to misinform people (and keep them misinformed) of what they really believe and why it would be good policy.  It is easy to stand on conservative principles - because we know it is right - there is strength in KNOWING.  We have history and facts to back it up.  

American contemporary progressivism is a difficult philosophy to confidently stand up for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>both independents &#8211; Sanders and Leiberman &#8211; were demanding something.  Leiberman wanted the removal of the public option, Sanders did not.  Nelson also had demands.  Leiberman and Nelson got everything they wanted, Sanders got none of what he wanted.</p>
<p>Sanders voted for the bill, got Jack Squat, and had as much pull as Nelson and Leiberman.</p>
<p>Part of me understands why progressives do not stand on their principles &#8211; because their principles are weak and they know it.  We all know what progressives stand for.  We also know the tactics they use to misinform people (and keep them misinformed) of what they really believe and why it would be good policy.  It is easy to stand on conservative principles &#8211; because we know it is right &#8211; there is strength in KNOWING.  We have history and facts to back it up.  </p>
<p>American contemporary progressivism is a difficult philosophy to confidently stand up for.</p>
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		<title>By: miguel Saavadera</title>
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		<dc:creator>miguel Saavadera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dems control both the Senate and House:  They are going to get this through because like sharks they smell &#039;blood in the water.&quot;  They will sell their mother, Grandmother down the stream with this trash ...

“The talking that is to decide the result must be done in private committee rooms and behind the closed doors of several committees. The intervals between sessions are filled with a very feverish activity. Messengers run from one meeting to another until the small hours of the morning.  Conference follows conference in a way that is likely to bring newspapers correspondents to the verge of despair, it being next to impossible to put the rumors together into any coherent story of what is going on.  Only at the rooms of leadership is there any clear knowledge of the situation as a whole; and the excitement of the members of conference rises from sessions to session under the sheer pressure of uncertainty.  The final majority is compounded no outsider and few member can tell how.”  Woodrow Wilson 1914

&quot;Conference follows conference in a way that is likely to bring newspapers correspondents to the verge of despair, it being next to impossible to put the rumors together into any coherent story of what is going on.&quot; 

 In plain English the public DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON, and all this gloom and doom and problems inside  is a diversionary tactic to give false hope ... It does not exist, they just want you to think it exists.

Personally, I putting my bayonet on my musket i.e. &quot;Fix bayonets.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dems control both the Senate and House:  They are going to get this through because like sharks they smell &#8216;blood in the water.&#8221;  They will sell their mother, Grandmother down the stream with this trash &#8230;</p>
<p>“The talking that is to decide the result must be done in private committee rooms and behind the closed doors of several committees. The intervals between sessions are filled with a very feverish activity. Messengers run from one meeting to another until the small hours of the morning.  Conference follows conference in a way that is likely to bring newspapers correspondents to the verge of despair, it being next to impossible to put the rumors together into any coherent story of what is going on.  Only at the rooms of leadership is there any clear knowledge of the situation as a whole; and the excitement of the members of conference rises from sessions to session under the sheer pressure of uncertainty.  The final majority is compounded no outsider and few member can tell how.”  Woodrow Wilson 1914</p>
<p>&#8220;Conference follows conference in a way that is likely to bring newspapers correspondents to the verge of despair, it being next to impossible to put the rumors together into any coherent story of what is going on.&#8221; </p>
<p> In plain English the public DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON, and all this gloom and doom and problems inside  is a diversionary tactic to give false hope &#8230; It does not exist, they just want you to think it exists.</p>
<p>Personally, I putting my bayonet on my musket i.e. &#8220;Fix bayonets.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dwander</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

You&#039;ve been real consistent in your view that this bill will have major problems getting passed. What is your background that gives you such a strong belief?

Thanks for the hope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve been real consistent in your view that this bill will have major problems getting passed. What is your background that gives you such a strong belief?</p>
<p>Thanks for the hope!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in both the House and the Senate votes.

But the difficulties are real that the Dems are facing -- because they have kicked the most difficult issues down the field until the end.

And now they must be dealt with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in both the House and the Senate votes.</p>
<p>But the difficulties are real that the Dems are facing &#8212; because they have kicked the most difficult issues down the field until the end.</p>
<p>And now they must be dealt with.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>running this sort of conspiracy is simply not possible.

It&#039;s as real as it gets.

It is not a coordinated misdirection.

However, one thing is clear:  the progressives have no DeMint or Coburn or Nelson or Lieberman who really will bring the bill down if they don&#039;t get their way.

As soon as the progressives concede they will vote for the bill they lose their leverage.

The Progressives simply will not stand on principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>running this sort of conspiracy is simply not possible.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as real as it gets.</p>
<p>It is not a coordinated misdirection.</p>
<p>However, one thing is clear:  the progressives have no DeMint or Coburn or Nelson or Lieberman who really will bring the bill down if they don&#8217;t get their way.</p>
<p>As soon as the progressives concede they will vote for the bill they lose their leverage.</p>
<p>The Progressives simply will not stand on principle.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not believing this monstrosity is dead until January 4, 2011 at the earliest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not believing this monstrosity is dead until January 4, 2011 at the earliest.</p>
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		<title>By: charpaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>charpaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what davidstone said....

PLEASE!!!  DIE! DIE! DIE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what davidstone said&#8230;.</p>
<p>PLEASE!!!  DIE! DIE! DIE!!!</p>
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		<title>By: tdpwells</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdpwells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work not far from you!  Think hospital curve. ;-)  On the same street as Kilroy&#039;s office, actually.

I go to a lot of local politcal gatherings...makes me wonder if you&#039;re not at some of the same ones.  You part of the Conservative Cavalry meetup group?  I talked to Stivers at a healthcare debate they held at LaScala several weeks back - he was good, but Robert Wagner stole the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work not far from you!  Think hospital curve. <img src='http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   On the same street as Kilroy&#8217;s office, actually.</p>
<p>I go to a lot of local politcal gatherings&#8230;makes me wonder if you&#8217;re not at some of the same ones.  You part of the Conservative Cavalry meetup group?  I talked to Stivers at a healthcare debate they held at LaScala several weeks back &#8211; he was good, but Robert Wagner stole the show.</p>
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		<title>By: ColdWarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColdWarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night the AZ Republican Party Chairman Randy Pullen gave a brief talk at our monthly Republican legislative district precinct committeeman meeting.  Chairman Pullen said polling firms hired by the RNC tell them that the Party will gain fewer seats in the 2010 House and Senate if Obamacare does not ultimately pass in the Congress.

So, what to do if it fails to increase the expected gains in the 2010 elections?  One thing we could do is change the old &quot;party of no&quot; phrase to the &quot;party of know.&quot;  

We Republicans know what the Constitution says.  We know that the American people want the Constitution to be enforced and followed.

We know that 85 per cent of the American people are satisfied with their health care and do not want the government to interfere.

We know that it makes no sense to destroy the best health care industry and system in the world because a few million people in America do not buy health insurance.

We know that the best solutions to achieve better access to health care for Americans is to reduce the involvement of government, not increase it.

We know that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are badly broken and headed for bankruptcy and need to be fixed before the federal government creates any new government entitlements.

Etc.

Thank you.
ColdWarrior
No More Scozzfavas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night the AZ Republican Party Chairman Randy Pullen gave a brief talk at our monthly Republican legislative district precinct committeeman meeting.  Chairman Pullen said polling firms hired by the RNC tell them that the Party will gain fewer seats in the 2010 House and Senate if Obamacare does not ultimately pass in the Congress.</p>
<p>So, what to do if it fails to increase the expected gains in the 2010 elections?  One thing we could do is change the old &#8220;party of no&#8221; phrase to the &#8220;party of know.&#8221;  </p>
<p>We Republicans know what the Constitution says.  We know that the American people want the Constitution to be enforced and followed.</p>
<p>We know that 85 per cent of the American people are satisfied with their health care and do not want the government to interfere.</p>
<p>We know that it makes no sense to destroy the best health care industry and system in the world because a few million people in America do not buy health insurance.</p>
<p>We know that the best solutions to achieve better access to health care for Americans is to reduce the involvement of government, not increase it.</p>
<p>We know that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are badly broken and headed for bankruptcy and need to be fixed before the federal government creates any new government entitlements.</p>
<p>Etc.</p>
<p>Thank you.<br />
ColdWarrior<br />
No More Scozzfavas!</p>
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