But I’m out of work and have no weapons. But, I am not afraid to fight. Are we organizing nationally yet? Or locally. Dan, what say you?

Is Dems who voted for cloture then voting against the final bill. Their names should be noted because they will be the true hypocrites.

Elections have consequences. In the last couple elections we demanded a perfect Republican party, so too many of us sat at home on election day or voted for those ‘perfect’ third parties splitting the vote. Now instead of big spending Republicans we have humongous spending liberal Democrats. Now we will experience all the garbage of socialist medicine. Starting down this road there will be no turning back.

So now what can we do, except wait until 2010, to get majorities and 2012 to vote out Obama, and then try to roll this nightmare back, even without public option and medicare buy in this bill is going to be total garbage and make us all a whole hell of a lot poorer.

Words cannot describe. The floor has just dropped out from underneath my feet. We shouldn’t have to say goodbye to our freedom! We didn’t want this! This needn’t have happened!

Lord, please help us!

In the minds of Congress, we are nothing but slaves.

Slaves to their every wish, their every gilded desire, their every command.

They must be very, very firmly held to account.
The time to play nice is over.

or so says Drudge. This was kinda predictable, with an unlimited budget that they would get to 60. After that, they will only need 51 so expect 6 or 8 dems to vote no on passage so they can tell everyone they voted against the bill.

I am not devastated. I accepted this result the minute Obama was elected.

The Democrats now own a health care system of their making that does not improve care, does not decrease costs, and increases premiums for most patients, while very likely adding massive debt.

They own it lock, stock and barrel. I wish them luck.

That said, the compromise bill will be a battle too. Will abortion ban keep? What about the public option? Some Dems are still not willing to sign on to this thing. I don’t know, I feel there is still a battle to come.

http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=8719

It’s being read right now and this time it was McConnell that is having it read. It just great.

%$#&*@^&#%$&#&*@ ‘em all.

This must be fight by the states that don’t want it. Fight it in the courts until we can take control back. Find every means possible to reduce your imcome so the feds will get less in taxes. Hunker down. Stop spending. Pay off your credit cards. Refinance your house now, get the payments as low as you can. STAY HEALTHY. If you smoke – STOP.
This will get serious.

of a counterstroke to nullify this bill. There will be a political blood bath on both sides, but for completely different reasons. More polarization, more unrest, Dan is spot on; it won’t be pleasant for anyone.

Or any chance there will emerge a new Dem holdout? Can this at least be pushed back until after Christmas. How much stalling can we still do within parliamentary rules?

Worst case scenario, what about Stupak, the Conference committee, and/or the Supreme Court?

Prayer is about the only action we can take at this point if the above scenario has indeed been set in motion. Is there not one senator of the 60 that will just stand with the will of the people? We only need one. In my State, Louisiana, Mary Landrieu sold us out for 300 Million pieces of silver. I begged “conservatives” not to vote for this clowns, but some could not get excited about the Republican candidate for he too was a former Democrat that supported Kerry in 2004.
What a nightmare!

We didn’t demand a perfect Republican Party.

We demanded a Republican Party that lived up to its reputation. What we got was Part D Medicare and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that were thrown off-budget. We also got a President who never used his veto pen and a Republican Congress that indulged that habit and got in bed with K-Street.

These are the Republicans who are still in DC, by the way, and are telling you to trust them. That they have changed for the better. That they have learned from their mistakes.

All the Bush crowd did was to make it easy for Obama to cram his version of National Socialism down the throats of the American people. Yes, Bush was a fine war President. But in the end, people vote on domestic policy. When you make it easy for a left wing charlatan like Obama to run as a “fiscal conservative”, your failure as a party is complete.

Now, it is for the conservatives to rescue the Republican Party from the Rockefeller Wing of the GOP which still rules the roost in D.C.. It is for us to restore Reaganism’s rightful place in the Party. But there is a long way to go.

As many have said here, the Democrats are thinking beyond 2010 and creating permanent majorities for the “party of government.”

Use the C&P strategy by starving the Feds of there money instead of trying to overload it.

What happened? I thought we killed this!

And NOW Republican senators put out an ad saying, “Now is the time to act” and giving us, “An urgent call to action”? And McCain at the end saying, “We can win it…” He’s the guy to be talking about winning? This is so depressing.

http://republican.senate.gov/

They all keep saying, “This could be our last chance” — yes, to vote for them again. Shameful.

I’ve read conflicting info regarding whether or not she can be recalled.

a few other Dems suddenly decided they weren’t getting paid enough to vote for this monstrosity and it gets held up even longer and these asshats have to face their constituents over the Christmas holiday time.

The Republicans should all file their proxy votes and leave Washington.

Of course it is ironic if they hold their final vote to pass it on Christmas Eve… a big stinking piece of coal for every American to swallow on Christmas day. Oh wait… coal has value and can be put to good use in winter… Bondage, that is this bill is. A Christmas gift of Bondage for America.

The courts are stacked with people who support this kind of stuff. And we’ll never have the majorities needed to repeal this bill. The only chance we have is to stop it in the House, which could be a real question, or to nullify at the state level.

You must pressure your state legislators to exercise their power to nullify laws which are outside the bounds of the Constitution. That is the only hope.

I was at a Männer Stamtisch the other day here in Germany, and the health care debate came up. I was asked for my opinion, to which I responded that the bill was total crap. Germans, God bless them, have a very hard time understanding why Americans don’t want to help the poor by having the Government take our freedoms and money! For them, Government is god, omniscient and all caring. Fair. I went on to explain how Americans under this bill would be FORCED to purchase insurance from private companies, ect. Once I was done explaining the bill the Germans at my table were unanimously against it! They then proceeded to ask my opinion of THEIR health care system. After thinking I found the one word to describe the entire thing:

“Unsustainable”

I explained that the only reason why Germans have the healthcare that they do, is because they are robbing their future generations wealth. In the next 50 years Germanys population will collapse. With most in “Rente” or retirement. They have absolutely NO WAY that they can afford to pay for those people. Germany has a ron de vue with death, and it can be clearly seen, and is seen. Yet they are too afraid to face it. I saw this realization, this recognition in the eyes of those at the table. They know that their kids futures are screwed, but they just picked up their beers and kept drinking. It was shocking to see.

I had hoped that the US would be wise enough to avoid the mistake of Germany. Yet, that is not the case.

But let those in Congress and Senate be forewarned. There is a huge cultural difference between those people in Germany, who have had their balls cut off, who from birth and are taught that the milk of life flows from the tit of the State. To the culture of Patriots, and lovers of Freedom. By taking the action of FORCING the citizens of the US to purchase something they are against because you received a BRIBE you shift from being our representatives, to our Masters.

We. Will. Not. Be. Slaves!

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. –Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government.”

Sometimes I feel that we are not far from throwing off the government that runs this country….

if this passes. Elections and the votes that drive them DO have consequences, even long-term consequences. When the conservative folks of Arkansas decide–who knows why–to send TWO liberal Democrat Senators to Washington then Arkansans voted for this kind of government takeover. When NC decided Libby Dole had to go and replaced her with a Democrat or when Indiana voted Bayh thinking he’s some sort of “conservative” Democrat then folks in those fairly conservative states voted FOR healthcare takeover. I’ve understood that sort of thing since I was a kid growing up in an internet and Limbaugh free world. It’s not hard to understand that a vote for a Democrat will lead to such as this. Why others who think like me–like those folks in Ark or NC or IN–don’t get that is beyond me.

about this. Look at it this way, it may become the gift that keeps on giving not only in 2010 but in ’12 ’14 and so on.

The dems will totally own this and all that goes with it.

This is not acceptable in any way. If this can’t be corrected through the democratic process then we are going to have either a secession or a revolution.

‘When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty’

The government clearly does not fear us and I am very scared of Obama and Congress.

Unfortunately it wont cone in time to save us alot of pain, but this, if it passes, is going to cause open revolt. By states.

I was also one of those that whined about what Republicans were doing when they were in power, but I feel incredibly stupid now. Conservatives were up in arms over pork barrel public works projects that made up less than 1% of our budget. This is what REAL big government looks like. I would trade “Big Government” Bush for anything right now. I would also prefer Senator Stevens from Alaska and pay for all his bridges rather than have this bill pass.

This vote though will destroy every elected Democrat outside of the blue states. Nelson is gone, along with around 12 other Democrat Senators that come from states that go red by double digits every election. After this, no one is going to buy the line”Blue Dog Democrat”.

The language in the manager’s amendment is no where near Stupak. If the Hyde amendment is not renewed for just one year, then federal funding of abortion is back on. Apparently, the present value of 30 pieces of biblical silver is a few hundred million in Medicaid funding and an invitation to the White House Superbowl party.

And watching these scumbags doing their damn victory lap. How in the Hell can can they stand there and celebrate this when we all know that this is going to destroy us in the end. I hear Reid talking about small busines tax breaks and stuff, is he lying? How does that square with the taxing of high cost tax plans.

This makes me sick, and I vow in 2010, at least in my CD, that I am going to work and fight as hard as I can to make sure that this democrat scumbag does not get reelected.

P.S. Right now I just heard Harkin say that we are building a starting home, so they are going to come to the till again for expanding this POS. Disgraceful.

I have not been hearing republicans say this on TV, and have not heard the argument much on the blogs. But the American people need to that as it is an incontrovertible argument. Any 10 year old that reads the Constitution could realize the federal govt does not have the power to do this. And just because 9 black robed tyrants say they can doesn’t make it so.

It seems there is a flaw in our system in that there is no real check on the Supreme Court if Congress is impotent and cowardly and corrupt.

The most radical pro-abortion Senators are on board with his so-called compromise. This is not anywhere close to the same as the Stupak amendment in the House. Abortions will be funded through the federal government.

I would call what he got a fig leaf, but it will fool nobody. Nelson is now in the pro-abortion camp.

Will be curious what the pro-life groups and the Catholic bishops say about it. There is no way they can in good conscious give it their approval.

Our small business provides services to other businesses throughout the country. Three businesses this week told us they are hanging on by a thread, but if anything else happens, their business is bankrupt. We laid off 2 more employees last week, which including part-timers brings our total lay-offs to 20 for 2009, and cut our last 2 down to 20 hours. This is the first time in 25 years we’ve laid off employees vs hiring additional employees. If this healthcare bills goes through, that will be it for many, many businesses.

This was destined to happen from the day cloture passed to put the bill on the Senate floor. Again – you have underestimated Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi’s ability to control their caucus and you have underestimated the sheer irrationality of the Democrats.

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http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/print.asp?id=423054

So there is simply no way to pay for any of this

But I told you so.

The simple fact is that the Dems realize they will never have this sort of power again, and they will never, ever pass up a chance to exert more power over our lives via legislation. Ever. When the choice of more power vs no power is presented to them, as it was in this health care bill, they will always choose more power. Simple as that.

As for opposition? They see themselves as the parent taking their child to get a shot. The child hates it, but it will be best for them in the long run. He gets a pat on the head and some ice cream and is sent on his way, just like the American electorate.

You have enslaved me, my family, and a nation. You have handed my special needs daughter – who we can care for perfectly fine ourselves – a death sentence or at least significantly reduced life expectancy.

You think all of our lives are available for sacrifice at the altar of your depraved moral “justice”.

We are truly about to see dark days. And all of the blood will be on the hands of the leftists.

Is he on board, too? He voted 6 times with the Repubs on amendments that all went down, and has a history of voting against bills that don’t adopt his amendments. Anyone heard about him?

can become a hero by switching to the republican party and stopping this nonsense. Why not?

I don’t think Harry has gone far enough yet, we still have people who think Democrat’s are great and still keep voting for them. I hope the “Progressives” keep pushing so we can avoid the frog in the boiling water mentalitily that has been going on for years and get right to the fire. I would rather see Harry united the country via over reaching then see the guns being brought out and Freedom being restored via the gun!

we are witnessing a coup. How can we win in 2010 if they ram through an amnesty bill before then. My sense is that they have no compunction about making any pretense with respect to honoring constituent concerns. As Dan said, they have blatantly ignored the fact that the majority of Americans do not want this “reform.” Socializing 16% of the economy is too important for their long term plans. Given the anemic and impotent fight put forth by our elected Republican officials I am sure the Democrats plan on pushing immigration reform ASAP. How can we overcome 12M new voters in the 2010 elections? I am sure any amnesty bill would create “immediate” amnesty. This healthcare legislation is just the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully, this was a wakeup call to the House and Senate Republicans that the time for niceties is over. And, yes, I’m doing my part….I’m in the process of becoming a Precint Committee Person while trying to keep my small business afloat. Every Conservative has to get actively involved NOW. We don’t have time for “woe is me.” There are more fights to come and we need to “reload” and do better. This is a marathon, not a sprint.

Republicans have to take off the gloves, & put on the brass knuckles. The Dems have declared war, plain & simple. If there’s one thing I have learned in all of this is that there are no rules anymore. We are in the fight of our lives & can no longer afford to be the “nice” guys.

There are not enough true conservatives to reverse the political decay in motion. There are too many progressives in power. The natural cultural progressive decay has brought us to this point. With the the culture in its current form, it is impossible to throw out enough liberals to make a difference. It might slow the downward progression, but it won’t prevent it.

According to Jane Hamsher, the liberal blogger who has been quoted on this site recently:

“It’s scary to think that people this obscenely stupid are running the country. All the while, the painfully obvious left/right transpartisan consensus that is coalescing against DC insiders of both parties appears to be taking everyone by surprise.”

That’s the only way things will change, in my opinion, much as people on this site may not agree. An anti-Washington coalition needs to form. Electing new politicians into the same old system will be fruitless. The government is too large, and no one will decrease its size because bigger government means more power.

this is what was said this morning by DEM leaders. They aren’t even close to being done with health care.

Now that they have the big ship launched they can add on as they go pretty much unnoticed.

What is doubly scary is there is no lock box for the money they are collecting in the next few years. That ‘health care’ money will be spent on other programs or used to prop up the faux economy enough to win 2012, then the flood gates will open and we’ll be battling another CRISIS to give the elected elite no choice but to take more of our money to actually pay for the health care.

That’s in stone.