wrong

put him through before they seated him as a Senator

as being the biggest problem with reconciliation from the Democrat POV. In five years, right about when most of the stuff in this bill is scheduled to kick in, it would have to be renewed. If at that time the GOP has just a few more members than they do now (which seems likely), they could filibuster and kill the thing.

he is really pissed off

Don’t forget a little history. As chair of the DNC, Howard Dean stole the nomination for Obama by refusing to count delegates in Florida — a huge state where Clinton handed Obama a major loss. Counting those delegates at the time (right after New Hamsphire) would have ended Obama’s bid.

What was Dean’s reward? At least, an Ambassadorship to Lichtenstein, right? Nope. He got zip. Nada. Nothing. When he begged for a job, Obama crew told him to go pound sand.

That’s not the way you treat a party chair who rigged the nomination for you.

A brief massage from the office of the esteemed and Honorable Mayor Daley to Senator Buy-me Burris:

“Don’t make me have to call you!”

This bill dying at the hands of Burris would be deliscious on so many levels.

want to form a firing squad, they stand in a circle

. . . he has no great interest in delivering pork back into his district. Also, with Illinois set to get a big, fat, terrorist prison, who’d know whether it was Burris or GITMO payoffs at work?

Seems to me, the only way to pay off Roland Burris is to REALLY pay off Roland Burris.

On the other hand, the joke that is Roland Burris still has one card to play to play before he sails off into the footnotes. Maybe the validation of being the lone holdout on principle is just what he thinks he may need to retire with dignity.

One can only hope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4

Now that Nelson is a at NO, they can defect easier, left and right (to the extent their is a left and right in the Dem party)

links, NICE!

Nelson won’t cave and Burris is angry about how he was treated and he has a huge left wing following that is backing him up right now

What do you threaten a temp senator who is not running in for the seat in 2010. I just don’t see that they can threaten him with much. They can’t even threaten him the way that they did Nelson because Obama is not going to harm his beloved Illinois.

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Elections have consequences – but it will be limited in duration, restricted in extent, and more easily reversed if the majority changes hands. Evading filibusters works both ways.

the Senate will be changed forever. The age of the filibuster that we have lived under for so long will effectively be done. My guess is the GOP will gladly nuke the filibuster to reverse all this crap when they return to power.

…this, from Ambinder:

http://twitter.com/marcambinder/status/6719774696

New Dem strategy: hasten (move up) dates for #hcr mechanisms to kick in; add subsidies/expansions next year in budget using reconciliation.

Never say never.

it’s all about bringing more and more power to D.C.

Always has been, always will be, with the big-government and very liberal types.

Mew

From Byron York’s article:

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At that point — Republicans will love this — he compared congressional Democrats with robbers who have passed the point of no return in deciding to hold up a bank. Whatever they do, they’re guilty of something. “They’re in the bank, they’ve got their guns out. They can run outside with no money, or they can stick it out, go through the gunfight, and get away with the money.”

That’s it. Democrats are all in. They’re going through with it. Even if it kills them.

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(Look under the Red Hot list and click on the link to Mr. York’s article.)

I hope the bank robbers, instead, just surrender and take what is coming them for their foolish conspiracy and attempted crimes rather than committing further crimes which will certainly, if they pull off the crimes, result in their ruin at the ballot box in 2010.

Thank you.
ColdWarrior

from my knowledge, there is no senate bill that they will be voting for. This is out, this is in, but, what is the rest of the story?

.. on a district-by-district, state-by-state basis.

Red States will be ditching Blue Dogs… Blue States will be Lamont-ing their moderates…

Contact your local scout troops and order your popcorn today!

Mew

as the Democrats were beaten bloddy in August, and, they still are willing to ignore everone they heard. They don’t care about how voted for them.

as the Democrats were beaten bloddy in August, and, they still are willing to ignore everone they heard. They don’t care about how voted for them.

It does seem at this point, they may be willing to sacrifice queen of 2010, to pass this thing, then find a way to overwelm what was put in place so that the by 2012, the rooks come around and checkmate the health care system and the only thing that can be done would be single payer.

He was helpful today, but at the end of the day he’s still Joe Lieberman. Which is to say, he’s not nearly as bad as a Barbara Boxer, but he’s still no. . . ummm. . . . quick, someone give me the name of a solid Republican Senator. . . umm. . .

. . .

n/t

silent, silent, silent. Why would that be? He’s focused on the gold standard, as the biggest takeover of the economy is about to happen with healthcare. Wouldn’t you think he would be out there screaming about this if he is so fiscally responsible. Nope, Ron Paul only talks about monetray policy, as the rest of the Congress burns.

They’re continuing the usual banter with amendments passing and failing(both Drug importation amendments failed). I’m sure that no their is no traction on the bill and I don’t see any traction coming any time soon. I’m sure the hate America crowd likes this thing(even the person that you are writing a hagiography on, Ron Paul).

which will allow the MSM if this passes to praise the leadership skills of, like mbecker is known as saying, “the boy president” and how he brought so many disparate people together. It can’t look to easy or it doesn’t do him any good.

I went over to the link you posted and I would love for someone, the next time you hear the CNN analyst talking about how being to conservative is a woe for the GOP, to be able to throw these up in their faces and show that the Dems are going through the same thing.

Remember all the Hillary Clinton supporters who were gonna vote for McCain? All the furious blogs about how the primary was totally undemocratic and they could no longer have anything to do with the Democratic party? (some were actually quite eloquent) Don’t get me wrong some of them did and have now gone totally right wing, but the vast majority of them took maybe a month to cool off and wound up supporting Obama.

TO tell McConnell to go screw, go to the podium and request a reading. Do you think if they did that, there would be enough people to back that play to actually stall it out.

Provides one final chance to stop it, and refusing to let the PEOPLE decide this issue could be a rallying cry.

If this thing dies it needs to stay dead. Forever. And ever.

that are based on free market economics…such as interstate competition.

Warner hasn’t bothered to even acknowledge the emails, however Webb’s office has and I do give him kudos for responding.

His emails have gone from a tone of “I won’t vote for anything that will hurt the American people or Virginians” (paraphrased of course) to tonight’s installment of

December 15, 2009
Ms. Xxxx, Xxxxxxxx

Dear Ms. Xxxx:

Knowing of your interest in the ongoing debate in Congress over health care reform, I wanted to update you on a number of votes and positions that I have taken during the process.

Together with 60 of my colleagues, I voted in favor of proceeding to debate the proposed health care reform legislation. I have yet to decide whether I will support final passage of the bill.

I have stated on several occasions my concerns that the Obama administration should have begun the health care process with a clear, detailed proposal, from which legislation could then be put into place. Instead, the legislation now before the Congress is the product of five separate congressional committees, three in the House and two in the Senate. I and my staff have carefully worked through thousands of pages of sometimes contradictory information, and have done our best to bring focus to the debate and clarity to any final product.

Our country needs health care reform. While a strong percentage of Americans are satisfied with their health care, the system is not working for millions of others. Spiraling costs for health care also have placed our biggest industries at a severe competitive disadvantage worldwide, and have become unsustainable for many small businesses.

But true reform must be done in an effective and responsible fashion, without creating a cumbersome, overly-bureaucratic system. The bottom line should be to achieve a more cost-effective health care system that increases accessibility, affordability, and quality of care, and which does not burden our economy along the way.

The process also requires openness, so that the American people understand exactly what is being debated. At the start of this debate I was one of eight Senators who called on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to post the text and complete budget scores of the health care bill on a public website for review at least 72 hours prior to both the first vote and final passage. This request was agreed to, affording proper transparency in the process.

Over the past few weeks, I have taken a number of difficult votes. As with every other issue since I came to the Senate I have voted my conscience throughout this process. I have broken with my party six times, including four votes to send the current legislation back to committee for a more thorough review. I voted five times against proposed cuts to Medicare due to my concerns about taking half a trillion dollars out of that system at a time when the pool for Medicare is about to expand with the retirement of those in the Baby Boom generation. I am a long-time supporter of Medicare Advantage programs which have, in my view, improved services in rural areas of Virginia, and I did not want to see cuts to benefits or services.

On the issue of abortion, I studied the bill closely to ensure that no taxpayer dollars will be used to fund abortions. I am convinced that this legislation strictly adheres to the requirements of the Hyde Amendment. It also includes clear conscience provisions for providers and consumers who elect to reject a plan that offers such coverage.

Since drug prices in the U.S. have risen dramatically in recent years?a 9% jump in 2009 alone?I have cosponsored an amendment to lower prescription drug costs. The measure would allow Americans to safely import lower-priced, Food and Drug Administration-approved drugs from other approved countries, and save the federal government nearly $20 billion over the next ten years.

In summary, I have been working actively to improve the health care reform bill for the good of our country and without bowing to party politics. As we continue to debate the bill and amend it, I remain hopeful that the Senate can reach consensus on fair and effective health care legislation. Whether this is so will determine my vote on final passage.

As the Senate continues to debate health care reform, please be assured that your views will be very helpful to me and my staff. I hope that you will continue to share your thoughts with us in the years ahead.

Thank you again for your interest in this important matter.

Sincerely,

Jim Webb
United States Senator

JW: KW

care about the Constitution or the fact that the majority of Americans are NOT socialists.

I hate those people with a passion. It is immoral to try to force people into socialism. Absolutely immoral and even evil.

I will declare war on these lunatics which ought to be an easy win since they don’t own weapons.

for making it the Code Red Rally. I dont know why, but it never got much momentum here.

are waiting & praying for – a lousy CBO score for Big Time Cover to come out as a group (not individually, so as to not be fingered as THE villain) and kill the thing entirely…

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