To the Democrats, the ends justify the means to pass health care. Speaker Pelosi is widely rumored to have told an assembled K Street cognoscenti that she would sacrifice 30 Democratic House seats to get health care reform passed — and, of course, she said “We would do almost anything to pass a healthcare bill.”
The White House has convinced itself that it in the interest of all Democratic Members of Congress for ObamaCare to pass.
But the reality is that ObamaCare is a political failure, and therefore it is not in the political interest of Members of Congress to pass ObamaCare.
But the entire MSM, the White House, the House and Senate Dem Leadership, the majority of the Democratic Coalition and most of the outside factions of the Democratic Party’s coalition is pumping the airwaves and blogosphere full of their latest pack of lies and disinformation:
1) reconciliation is back on the table;
2) the trillion dollar President is going to cut an abortion deal with Senator Casey of Pennsylvania;
3) Senator Snowe and Senator Collins “must be in play,” for a new vapor deal; and,
4) the all time favorite: something will pass.
Actually, a google search for the term “something will pass” turned up 1.75 million hits (really).
The “something will pass” crowd know nothing about health care politics, or about Senate procedure or rules.
In fact, Speaker Pelosi used this line successfully on the newbie, dumber-than-a-box-of-rocks House members to get them to walk the plank, and vote for ObamaCare. She and her sacrificial lambs were warned about walking the plank, but the little baby lambs believed the crowd-that-has-never-been-correct-about-healthcare-politics.
For example, world-class Jonestown Kool-Aide brigade members like Jim Cooper of Tennessee announced that he was voting for health care reform to move the process forward and force the Senate to move. Uh, huh. It showed a reckless ignorance and politically dangerous disregard for reality. This, in fact is what the Dem Leadership has accelled at on health care: a dangerous disregard for political reality.
Or, how about several weeks ago when Senator Durbin was pounding the tables during Sunday morning talk shows about how the Democrats were going “to pass health care without the Republicans,” and the Democrats were “going to go it alone.”
Hey Senator Durbin, go ahead, knock yourself out.
They have been told repeatedly by pollster after pollster that they were committing political suicide. They continue anyway — remember this favorite: if we pass health care reform in the House, our polls will improve?
They are simply making it up as they go along, and they cannot be trusted to say any single thing that is accurate about health care politics. They are wrong now. They have been wrong all along. And their desperation is driving them to make up rationales that the MSM print as if they were carved on stone tablets and handed down from Mount Sinai.
The MSM do it all the time and never have learned their lesson. They can’t learn their lesson because they are so arrogant they can not conceive that anyone could be against health care reform — NO not THAT. They universally reject political reality because they are liberal mush-heads who buy the pablum being served by — pick one: Senator Reid, the Speaker or the White House.
The Dem establishment is more desperate than a junkie overdue for their next hit — and the boot-licking media loves to churn out the latest Dem fantasies on health care. Exhibit Z was the Reid Vapor Deal.
Just 100% fiction — Senator Reid dreaming in color — but it was reported as fact.
On health care reform, everyone for it has repeated and consistently and naively — in truly P-o-l-l-y-a-n-n-a fashion — have been wrong about everything.
It is the only consistent thing that has happened in this health care reform fiasco, the supporters have been wrong about everything. Wrong about the politics of health care reform, wrong about its cost, wrong about spending their political capital on health care, wrong about the public option, wrong about abortion being a non-factor, wrong about cutting Medicare, wrong about expanding Medicare, wrong about the Health Information Exchange, wrong, wrong and just plain wrong.
They are choking on their own propaganda right now because they have the Pelosi disease: they are blind ideologues who do not care about the political consequences of their irrational health care quest.
Moe Lane
Steve Maley
KnightsofMalta
Dan Spencer
Dan McLaughlin
That's a big 5...
basalt_conservative (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 7:02PM EST (link)…from me, Dan!
Life is hard; it’s harder if you’re stupid. – John Wayne
Man is not free unless government is limited. – President Ronald Reagan
Fox News
Mayhem (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 7:19PM EST (link)said tonight that Reid is cutting the Medicare buy-in and the public option and that Leiberman is now a yes vote. FWIW.
For being wrong all the time, they sure are managing to move this bill forward at every point in the process.
I want wrong to equal, “The vote fails. The bill is not agreed to.”
James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.
Really, that is not what I am hearing
Dan Perrin (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 7:29PM EST (link)we will see…
Nothing is moving in the Senate
Dan Perrin (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 7:35PM EST (link)n/t
the problem is that dems face so bad an environment in 2010 that there is little reason not to pass something
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 7:54PM EST (link)from their warped perspective
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Interesting thought, actually.
Bill S (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 7:57PM EST (link)I heard someone else speculate today that the Dems will be voting all-commie, all-the-time because they know they’re gonna get their butts kicked in 2010, so they might as well go all-in now.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
bs, they have to come home sometime. And even
janis (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 8:39PM EST (link)if they end up getting nice lobbyist jobs, their families can’t all move to D.C. as well. At least not every single member of their families. And you know that whoever gets left back home will be surrounded by pissed off fellow citizens.
I intend to be one of them, by the way.
Yes, but...
Bill S (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 8:48PM EST (link)they were elected as Democrats. They are simply voting their ideology now, unencumbered by the nasty influences of their constituents. After all, they had a mandate for goodness sake! The nation SPOKE. Remember, the 52?
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
They apparently don't realize that the 52
janis (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 8:56PM EST (link)has shrunken considerably from those glorious days of what? Seven or eight months ago?
They have, at best, the hardcore 20%, and I wouldn’t count on them for much longer if they keep getting shafted. And they thought the Maytag repairman was a lonely guy!
Exactly, all they're keeping is the hard 20 and they're just the ones to be alienated
clowngirl (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 4:17AM EST (link)by this supposed deal with Lieberman. VERY alienated according to the posts about the Daily Kos.
Sounds like an Obamacare sans public option or medicare expansion is a bill likely to be hated by nearly everyone. will be interesting to see the polling.
Is Lieberman definitely on board? If so it’s a disappointment, I had hoped he had other reasons for opposing Obamacare besides the public option and he was just hanging it on that. I hope Reid is exagerrating.
Reid bluffed last week about the medicare “deal” and may well be bluffing again.
Ideology
aelie (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 9:09PM EST (link)The only ideology Democratic Party holds is self-interest. Everything I have seen show that they have no problem milking everything they “oppose” in principle for money. Communism would actually be a step up for them – at least communists try to believe in what they preach. Democrats only pretend.
The Problem Is - Not *Every* Dem Is a Commie
IJB Monday, December 14th at 9:16PM EST (link)That’s the problem with being a Patronage Party – a good portion even of elected Democrats are not ideological Pol Potists, but are just garden variety crooks feeding at the trough.
*Those guys* have almost no incentive to sign off on this.
And there’s enough of them in the Dem caucus to assume that this will be a continuing problem…
Mods Won; But The Liberals Now Have To Be Appeased
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 7:34PM EST (link)It looks like Joe won and that probably means Snowe will follow. But what about Rockefeller and Burris. And what about House Liberals. I dontthink the Black Caucus will go for this. At least not in an up or down vote. So its off to conference where it will be stuck for weeks if not longer and then we get to do this all over again.
CBC
Mayhem (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 8:06PM EST (link)will not betray their Messiah.
James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.
Major Garrett tweet word from Tom Harkin
redneck_hippie (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 9:12PM EST (link)via hotair
The medicare expansion/public option will be taken out.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/14/breaking-lieberman-wins-senate-drops-medicare-buy-in/
I think tomorrow obama and deadfish will try to Jesse Jackson some democrats.
bobojake (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 7:25PM EST (link)I think there are more then 3 democrats that know reidgate obamagate healthcare is a wounded duck and can’t fly. It would be terrible to destroy the United States over the Marxist ideaology of obama and reid.
That begs the question...how do the 30 Dems that would lose those seats feel about this...and will they slit their own throats on Mamcy's behalf?
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 8:00PM EST (link)Dems talk a good game about sacrificing for the common good…but when they say that…they usually have someone else in mind being the sacrificial lamb..it’s another thing entirely when it is they who are expected to fall on their swords…..
Sacrificing for the Common Good
Born Again Capitalist (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 9:59PM EST (link)My apologies if this comes off as off-topic, but that struck a chord with me. Conservatives are the ones who sacrifice for the common good. Because I don’t know about you all, but even if EVERYTHING the Democrats said about socialized healthcare was true (it would cut costs, it would ensure everyone, &tc. &tc. [N.B. these are LIES]), I hope I speak for all conservatives when I say that individual FREEDOM is more important. I don’t care if I’m living in the gutter; I’d rather be FREE.
That is the difference, in my humble opinion, between liberals and conservatives. Liberals don’t have principles: all they care about is results, and they even if their intentions are pure, their methods lead to failure. A conservative will NEVER sacrifice his God-given liberty for an OUNCE of comfort.
Amen...nt
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 8:59AM EST (link)results??!!
alpinejager (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 10:44AM EST (link)exxxxccccuuuuuuuse me. results have ABSOLUTELY no place in the lib-tard dream world, only intentions matter. 100+ new bearocracies, death panels, vast cost overruns, even a cursory look at this bill shows plainly what the results will be. the bottom line with this bill, and cap &tax, and card check all come down to plausible deniability while controlling everything. once these pass they will be impossible to roll back. look at social security. we just aren’t going over the cliff fast enough!
Dan, will Bernie Sanders filibuster any bill without a public option?
SoFiMil (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 9:20PM EST (link)Or would he let the bill go through for a vote and then vote no?
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
The best question of the night
Dan Perrin (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 10:43PM EST (link)Let’s assume that the White House instructions to Senator Reid (which the White House is denying) are followed, and Reid makes a deal with Lieberman, meaning, NO public option, and NO Medicare buy-in, and NO trigger for the public option.
Sanders, Burris, Franken, Brown and Feingold have all in varying degrees said they would, or may vote against any bill without a public option.
Burris and Sanders have said they would vote against the bill without a public option. They can observe from the deal making that Lieberman has forced on the caucus (should Sen. Reid cave to Lieberman) that if you make a credible threat, you get what you want, even though most others do not want what you want. The liberals have far more public option supporters in the Dem caucus than just the lonely Lieberman, who would have just killed their great public option.
So, do the left-wing Senators then pull a Lieberman? Yes, is my guess — these Senators they are so angry at Lieberman that at they could “spit nails,” as the NYT put it.
Then the left will threaten to vote against any amendment to pull the public option out of the bill. They will attempt to pull a Lieberman.
In addition to the public option policy, Burris has no love lost for either Obama or Reid who put Burris through the ringer before they seated him as a Senator. So, he may be looking for a way to get back at the White House and Reid.
Sanders has got a hard-core left-wing base who would love to see him pull a Lieberman on the public option.
Therefore, my guess is A) the left-wing Senators threaten to vote NO on amending the bill to pull out the public option — in order to pull the public option from the bill the Dems need 60 votes; and B) the Dems won’t believe the liberals — and will force their hand by calling their bluff with a floor vote. Then, I’d say at least one or two of them will vote no on pulling the public option out of the bill. This means the amendment fails, assuming all the Republicans also vote against pulling the public option from the bill.
If the bill remains intact with the public option in it, then Lieberman is back to NO because the public option did not come out.
But — even if all of the above comes to pass, and the public option is pulled — then the Dem leadership still have the Nelson abortion problem to deal with — and they have a similar problem, they have to get to 60 votes to put the restrictions in the bill. Something I doubt will happen.
So, like I said yesterday — ObamaCare = the LZ-129 Hindenberg.
You forgot one thing. The Louisiana Purchase.
gekster (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 10:49PM EST (link)They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
Kowalski:
gekster (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 11:13PM EST (link)I’m not talking about Lieberman. He doesn’t look like he can be bought off.
I really don’t know, but I’m a hopeing he won’t.
Now as for the others, if the price is right.
Is that Drew Carey over there?
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
What does Lieberman really want?
countessolenska Monday, December 14th at 10:59PM EST (link)And what are his motives? I’m taking what Joe says at face value, but from reading around some liberal sites, the Dems are attributing all kinds of sinister motives to Lieberman’s actions.
It is my belief that Joe Lieberman wants health care reform, but he wants his own version of it, and he wants Republicans on board.
GOP votes
Mayhem (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 11:49PM EST (link)Dan, I would be a shiny penny that 7 or 8 Republicans vote in favor of pulling the public option, all in the name of “improving the bill.” Certainly Snowe and Collins would be a part of this group.
James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.
Liberals now going after Lieberman's wife
sharonmcp (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 1:32AM EST (link)I read a story over on Newsbusters earlier that FireDogLake founder and breast cancer survivor, Jane Hamsher, is demanding that the Susan G. Komen foundation remove Lieberman’s wife from her position there because of Joe’s opposition to the current health care proposal.
As I posted on NB, what’s next, kidnapping and holding for political leverage the children of politicians who dare step out-of-line?
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
Short answer: Yes.
Third Street (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 2:21AM EST (link)These are, after all, people who believe in eugenics, and who spent eight years wishing the Bush daughters dead.
When you’re dealing with Nazis nothing is outside the realm of possibility.
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
Wouldn't be surprised
qixlqatl (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 6:20AM EST (link)If Joe Lieberman met with a tragic accident……
“Yet, Freedom! yet thy banner, torn, but flying,
Streams like the thunderstorm against the wind.”
George Gordon Noel Byron
I Never Believed That Liberal Promise
DavidSage (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 2:15AM EST (link)These Democrat Senators that promised to only vote for nothing short of a public option health care bill were only bluffing. One phone call from Obama and they’ll go along with whatever he tells them.
Senator Burris might be telling the truth, out of spite since he thinks he has nothing to lose, but he can easily be bought off. If it came down to his vote, there would be a nice six-figure job waiting for him in Chicago as soon as his term expires.
The other liberal Senators will cave if they see they don’t have the votes. It’s clear from reports that Rahm is saying “pass anything” to stop the bleeding and move on.
You saw how quickly the Left swooned at the idea of expanding Medicare eligibility by only 9 years (awful, but still far short of a public option), it’s obvious they’ll sign on to anything right now. Republicans should keep dragging this out as long as possible and give them nothing.
Thanks for your insights, Dan. -n/t
SoFiMil (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 6:21AM EST (link).
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Any chance
cari Monday, December 14th at 9:30PM EST (link)the Republicans could approach Arlen Specter and tell him what a hero he’d be if he single-handedly brought this bill down? Hey, if he flipped once…
They'd be fools to do that
SteveLA (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 10:52PM EST (link)Snarl’n Arlen is a snake and should be helped in no way no matter what the goal. The END PERIOD.
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
Fanatics cannot change course
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 9:52PM EST (link)when their ship is headed to the rocks. Let them crash as their fellow rats abandon ship and try to swim for it through the next elections.
Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
http://www.zazzle.com/enemy_of_the_statist_tshirt-235977043035297478
One of two scenarios seem likely
civil truth (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 11:00PM EST (link)1) The public option will go away for now with a promise to bring it up as separate legislation, for which they can get 60 votes. Or maybe not, but hey, are the left going to vote for – Republicans? And besides, if not this year, there’s alway 2011.
The abortion language will get finessed for 60 votes so that the House can pass the Senate bill without committee.
2) Reid will send anything to conference that can gain 60 votes and then the horsetrading and buyoffs start. If they get it to conference, they WON’T fail – but that the topic of a different diary.
Meanwhile, with all the talk about public option and abortion, all the other malignant 80-85% is getting a free pass.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
This is what scares me
proudmarinemom (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 11:17PM EST (link)I don’t buy Sen. Harkin’s story that the public option is dead — maybe the “Public Option” by that name has been removed from the bill, but effectively, this is still a massive government takeover of health insurance, as well as health care.
If a watered-down version passes, can’t they just come back later and pass any horrific amendment or new bill they want?
The old trick in real estate sales is to show the buyer a few dogs first — the real Green Acres properties — then work up to showing them the deal closer, which looks to them like the Taj Majal by then. Maybe Congress is counting on their constituents having short attention spans and poor memories.
I have a post going up tomorrow -- er this morning
Dan Perrin (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 12:37AM EST (link)on the very points you make.
This is the beginning of the end nt
erod (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 12:02AM EST (link)You mean Obama Scare, Scare not care
jeannieology (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 7:03AM EST (link)Obama scares the life out of me
www.jeannie-ology.com
health
sarge324 Tuesday, December 15th at 7:33AM EST (link)the lies that the democrates tell.how can they really think this bill will not cost the american people.remember what cliton told the democrates in a closed door meeting,’pass this bill no matter what.that means lie,lie,and lie some more.the marxist in our government must be voted out for us to be free.if there in a fter 2010 are kids will be marching in lock step.the only thing stopping them from taking over is rush glen and bill,they are letting the public know what is going on.god save our country from these marxist.
One Part of the "Puzzle"
scubadiver49er Tuesday, December 15th at 9:57AM EST (link)Keep in mind that this is only one part of the “Puzzle” I firmly believe that this is all part of the “Cloward-Piven Strategy”, which seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. Along with TARP, Cap & Trade and business as usual in Washington (look at the Trillion Dollar Bill they passes just yesterday to just keep going), ultimately this is what is going to happen. Barry scares me, too. What I am trying to figure out is WHO is really behind all of this? Like trying to figure out who Senator Palpatine really was. To me, Barry is Darth Vader. Someone else (either an individual or a group) is behind all of this. Need to think “out of the box” to get the answer(s).
“I Just Can’t Wait to be King” – Simba from “The Lion King”, 1994
Barry Soetoro – ???
they remind me
olddog Wednesday, December 16th at 1:14AM EST (link)of snarling dogs, each looking to get their own piece of the taxpayers carcass. Let them know, if they vote for this and get voted out of office we will pursue their every endeavor in the public realm, and one tiny step out of line, bring suit, too bad we can’t sue them for malfeasance while they are in office, as we can, people who are out of office, and vote with your dollars, that is what they do, pull dollars away from any firm they may work for, if possible.
They may not care, because ,they were promised protection in some manner, that way, those fascists can destroy America. They have been at it since I got back from Viet-Nam . This is the strongest they have ever been and they don’t want to waste the opportunity.
Support Our Troops! This Christmas season, many ,and their families really need our help!
One Old Dog
We must take our country back!!
teridavisnewman (Diary) Wednesday, December 16th at 9:23AM EST (link)My opponent in the upcoming primary is a go-along/get along RINO who is convinced that she can sit down and bring everyone together. This will be followed by a marshmallow roast and a rousing rendition of Kumbaya. She is receiving no support because her message of “cant we all get along?” is the same joke now that it was a decade ago. The Democrats want to hand over control of the country to the leftists and have government decide everything for the people in a nanny-state style of hugely taxed “democracy”. I am fighting for the freedom of America’s children and grandchildren! The 2010 election is going to be the most important election in this generation. It is going to be the election that decides whether we keep our Constitutional freedoms or if we hand them over to the Obamunists who are intent upon running our lives and sending us the bill for doing it. I vote for freedom and I will fight for it to my dying breath!! Visit my website and find out about me: www.voteforteri2010.com and let’s take back our America from those who would destroy it!!
Teri Davis Newman
Republican Candidate for Congress
12th Illinois Congressional District
www.voteforteri2010.com
Teri Davis Newman
2010 Republican Nominee for Congress
2012 Candidate for Congress
12th Congressional District of Illinois
www.terinewman.com
I for one am okay with it
ReaganLives Wednesday, December 16th at 12:20PM EST (link)since there’s no public option or Medicare expansion. I’m also glad that abortion restrictions are gone – that’s just nanny-state stuff too.
How can a president not be an actor?
- Ronald Reagan
Reagan Lives Blog
We the people are coming--and we are wicked PO
teridavisnewman (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:33AM EST (link)Harry Reid is finished as a Senator and he knows it. The people of Nevada, who tolerate legal whorehouses, find Harry Reid to be such a piece of scum that he will not be re-elected. This is such an insult to Reid that I don’t know how he can look in mirror–not that the people of Nevada are wrong, he is scum. If the people of Nancy Pelosi’s district would do the same, America would be a lot better off.
However, Reid knows that he is finished in ELECTED office so he is doing the bidding of the Obamunists in the hopes (or perhaps the promise) of an appointment to another office. I find it supremely ironic that in a state where prostitutes ply their trade legally and openly; their biggest whore is in the Senate.
I promise that my very first deed when I am elected to the House in November will be to sponsor and submit a bill to repeal this nightmare that Congress has foisted onto the American public. I’m taking the fight to the house and I will fight like tooth and nail for America. I’m not a meek shrinking little mousegirl, I’m a pit bull with a manicure and I will do whatever I have to do in order to take back America for Americans! Join me in my fight to help save our great nation from becoming a Socialist third-world country!
I’m running for congress in the 12th Illinois Congressional district and I’m inviting you to visit my website because I think you’re going to like me a lot!
www.voteforteri2010.com
Teri Davis Newman
2010 Republican Nominee for Congress
2012 Candidate for Congress
12th Congressional District of Illinois
www.terinewman.com