Update: The New York Times is reporting:
“In a surprise setback for Democratic leaders, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, said on Sunday that he would vote against the health care legislation in its current form.”
And on the issue of abortion, the New York Times was equally shocked by Senator Nelson:
“On a separate issue, Mr. Reid tried over the weekend to concoct a compromise on abortion that would induce Senator Ben Nelson, Democrat of Nebraska, to vote for the bill. Mr. Nelson opposes abortion. Any provision that satisfies him risks alienating supporters of abortion rights.”
Meanwhile, this just in from the Huffington Post, Senator Lieberman told Senator Reid to his face this morning that he will vote against the Reid vapor deal:
“Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) informed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) in a face-to-face meeting on Sunday that he will vote against a health care bill that includes a public option or a provision that would expand Medicare, a Democrat Senate aide tells the Huffington Post.
The two Senators had a discussion in Reid’s office shortly after Lieberman appeared on CBS’s Face the Nation Sunday morning. The Connecticut Independent discussed with Reid some of his concerns about the legislation, elaborating on issues he had raised during the show. According to the source, who was briefed on the exchange, Lieberman punctuated the discussion by telling the majority leader directly that he would vote against the bill if the Medicare buy-in and public option provisions remained in it.”
Here is what Senator Lieberman and Senator Nelson said on Face the Nation, via the Weekly Standard:
“On Face The Nation, Sens. Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson made it pretty clear they weren’t inclined to support the Reid “compromise” featuring a Medicare buy-in. Nelson said he thought such a buy-in is a bad idea, and Lieberman noted that on “the so-called Medicare buy-in — the opposition to it has been growing as the week has gone on. Though I don’t know exactly what’s in it, from what I hear I certainly would have a hard time voting for it because it has some of the same infirmities that the public option did.”
From Robert Costa, in the Corner:
“All of the king’s horses and all of the king’s men may not be able to put 60 together again,” says [Senator] Alexander, in reference to the (barely) 60 votes Reid got last month to bring his bill to the floor. “With two weeks until Christmas, Democrats find themselves in the awkward position of trying to pass a 2,000-page bill — a bill which most of them admit they don’t know much about.”
“Alexander cites the new report from the chief actuary for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) as a potential death blow to Reid’s cause. The CMS, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services, says that if Reid’s bill became law, America would spend $234 billion more on health care over the next decade.
“Add the CMS report to the Mayo Clinic’s devastating letter against the expansion of Medicare, as well as the opposition of the American Medical Association and hospitals to Reid’s Medicare idea, and it’s clear that the more people find out about this, the less they like it,” says Alexander. “I’m not ready to make a prediction (on whether it will fail), but things aren’t looking good for the majority leader.”
Given Senator Bill Nelson’s (D-Fla) statement on FOX News that the Reid Vapor Deal is a “non-starter,” and the fact that Senator Snowe has said she does not support it, and Senator Lieberman never has supported it, and the only public statements he has made have been to cast doubt about the idea’s viability; and that Senator Nelson has now publicly stated that he cannot vote to end the filibuster if the abortion restrictions he supports are not in the bill — it appears that the ObamaCare implosion is imminent.
ObamaCare is a political failure. Its political failure will lead to its legislative failure. It is just a matter of when.
Steve Maley
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this is good news but GC suspects in the end they will pass onerous new regs on private ins cos and call
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 2:51PM EST (link)it health care reform
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
You may very well be right, GC
redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 3:05PM EST (link)Collectists never being loath to break eggs or greedy corporations. And his malfeasanceness not being wary of punishing those who have defeated his “plans.”
If all else fails in ramming this through, they hold this in reserve...
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 3:12PM EST (link)all the while knowing they will run up Health-Care costs and Premiums – just so Democrats can come back again in another 10 years, or less, and claim a “we told you so” with MSM covering their BS and covering up the reason costs soared was/is the Liberal Incremental-ism (as they cover up the Mortgage Meltdown fault) and will be the new call/DEMAND that a (disguised Single Payer / Public Option / whatever they call it) must then be enacted like the Liberals wanted all along. It was their whole plan at Incremental-ism all along with anything and everything they’ve done for Decades to drive up costs and create more excuses for the need to go Single Payer… From HMOs being forced (rather than market and Insurance companies creating), burdensome Regulations, States’ keeping cross-State competition OUT, etc….
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Yes, But New Reg's Are Far Easier To Repeal Than an Whole Expansive Entitlement
IJB Sunday, December 13th at 3:46PM EST (link)Doing even what you suggest will be unpopular, and the GOP will have much easier time either repealing or knee-capping a ‘new regulations only’ bill. In fact, they’ll be able to run on specifically what they want to repeal and what they want to replace it with, which would actually be beneficial to our side politically.
Aside from that, such an outcome would be demoralizing to the Dem’s OWN base.
At this point, they’re are quite literally better off scrubbing the whole bill if they can’t get Single Payer/Gov’t Option through.
I think it’s really ‘all or nothing’ now…
yes, easier to repeal, but I wonder if they are also more likely
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 10:30AM EST (link)to end up fueling anger against ins cos and not the dems?
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BINGO... especially when MSM spins it for them....
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 1:49PM EST (link)anything and everything they do either has unintended consequences (Democrats always ignore) or DESIGNED NEGATIVE EFFECT in order to create the next opportunity for them to create MORE GOVERNMENT as the solution to whatever Issues [2008 Election recap, with links] it is! All continuing to be possible because more and more people do not (or cannot) think it through for themselves because of their Education and/or MSM Indoctrination of Liberalism as always a cure and never the DISEASE it is. It is as if they want to cure Cancer by giving the Patient more Cancer.
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“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
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5! "Unintended" consequences are a MYTH!! nt
nessa (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 1:57PM EST (link)“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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thx JLDetroit - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 7:47PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Republicans thus know what they need to do
Return to Revolution (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 5:21PM EST (link)When we resume power, real HC reform needs to be the top priority. While regulations are easier to repeal, whoever the leadership is will still need the spine to stand up to the media (look at how MSM is now, then imagine how they will change if Obama is uncerimoniously thrown out of office), who will turn rhetoric/activism to an unprecedented fever pitch to destroy them.
Thats why I’m not real excited about 2012 even if Obama is thrown out – I don’t see any of the current hopefuls as having the political will and fortitude to actually change HC for the positive (while having the left and MSM going bat***t crazy), rather than not touching it and just putting the inevitable socialization of our country on hold till the next wave of anti-Republican sentiment hits.
Fortunately there is still lots of time for new candidates to emerge and for the Republican party to (dare I say it) grow up.
Out of hand Constitutional fetishist
The GOP is not going to do anything
Cargosquid (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 10:37PM EST (link)once they get in power. They don’t have the guts to stand up to the media. Name one thing that has ever been repealed besides Prohibition.
I Wish I Could Be That Optimistic
farstar99 (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 12:16PM EST (link)But we’ve heard that before.
From Democrats like Graham.
It’s a ruse.
And good ol Harry slipped obamas death panel in obamacare at the last minute.
bobojake (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 3:00PM EST (link)This ought to make 99 vote against this pig in the poke or as in Nebraska , hey lets go Snipe Hunting on a cold winter night.
bobojake- The death panel was already funded by the stimulus
Scope (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 8:03PM EST (link)the money came from the HHS award from the stimulus package. There was something like $48 billion earmarked by the HHS to get it up and going. Lots of other healthcare stimulus monies that are already in action. Look at your states awarded stimulus funds at stimuluswatch.org. It’s all there, if anyone cared to look.
bobojake- The death panel was already funded by the stimulus
Scope (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 8:03PM EST (link)the money came from the HHS award from the stimulus package. There was something like $48 billion earmarked by the HHS to get it up and going. Lots of other healthcare stimulus monies that are already in action. Look at your states awarded stimulus funds at stimuluswatch.org. It’s all there, if anyone cared to look.
They LIE... oops, I mean... They posture...
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 3:03PM EST (link)We keep hearing all these things over and over (especially from a few different repeat offenders) about how FIRM they are in their opposition (POSTURING — duplicity rhetoric for campaign use (Setting up Duplicity Votes – the have it both way Game Politicians play to be able to say anything during Campaigns)) all the while holding some minor WIGGLE room that allows them to shift on a dime and provide the vote needed to pass Bad Legislation. We’ve just seen it again with the Omnibus Bill (3 Republicans provide Campaign cover for 3 weak Democrats on Omnibus Bill votes).
BELIEVE NOTHING and keep every avenue of pressure up on ALL SENATORS! Emails, Faxes, Phone calls, show up at offices, rallies/protests (TEApeats (info) PLUS How to organize an UNOFFICIAL non-permit TEApeat and Doc’s comment about focusing on the protest and NOT the “Party” (here)), etc….
This is all Liberal Incremental-ism posturing and BS cover for what is going to be SINGLE PAYER PUBLIC OPTION no matter what they call it and fanagle it with a phony Trigger (Public Option Trigger – will be attached to fully loaded gun).
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“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
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I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)
Please don't tell me that...
jeannieology (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 4:02PM EST (link)I was so looking forward to getting drive by colonoscopies at 7-11 and getting a Big Gulp as a complimentary give away.
www.jeannie-ology.com
My favorite part was going to be
ericstenner Sunday, December 13th at 4:19PM EST (link)The do-it-yourself prostate exam kits. I heard they were going to put Nancy Pelosi’s face on the rubber glove. It’s all wrinkled when you take it out of the box, but it looks normal when you put in on and stretch it out.
I don't believe a word I hear out of the Senate but I choose to be optimistic.
Third Street (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 4:34PM EST (link)I choose to be optimistic because I basically have to be. The alternative is to go around feeling sick to my stomach all the time.
But also because Reid got EXACTLY 60 votes to bring the bill to the floor. No more. Not even Snowe or Collins defected on the procedural vote just to begin debate. That’s a pretty good starting position for us, assuming we can hold everyone together.
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
This Story Does Not Give Me Cause To Celebrate. The Only Recourse Is To FIGHT!
gman_2008 Sunday, December 13th at 4:39PM EST (link)Yes, and here is the danger. If the bill begins to crumble, especially if the Senate gets stuck on the Dorgan drug reimportation amendment, the Dems may either resort to reconciliation or to a scaled-down version of Reid that can get 60 votes, walk off with a half loaf and declare victory. If the Rs aren’t prepared to defeat either end run by bringing the Senate to a grinding halt, we could find ourselves asking “What happened?”
See http://tinyurl.com/ylblvuf and http://tinyurl.com/yafp6be. So as Erick says in a previous post: FIGHT.
A glimpse into government healthcare- Tricare- our version of the Brits system.
archer52 Sunday, December 13th at 4:42PM EST (link)Here’s my quick post about Tricare.
Government healthcare is dangerous at least and deadly at the worst. What is even more troubling is you can’t sue them to recover any loss, they are the government. Like I said in my post- be afraid of this, very afraid.
http://truthandcommonsense.com/2009/12/13/seeing-british-healthcare-in-america-up-close-tricare-courtesy-of-the-us-military/
archer52- Absolutely correct
Scope (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 8:11PM EST (link)the Dems are protecting their biggest benefactors, the lawyers. What I wonder is, if one of their lawyer friends want to sue for whatever, are they going to sue the federal government. Isn’t it a little more than stupid for the lawyers to back this. Currently, they have free rein over medical malpractice lawsuits, and, generally take as much as the agrieved party gets.
Where is the silver bullet . . .
Composer_Man Sunday, December 13th at 4:56PM EST (link)to kill this zombie bill?!
I have to give credit where credit is due – they have kept this Weekend-at-Bernie’s gag going a lot longer than I would have thought. But enough is enough; the bill needs to die. The lefties know it, we know it and most of the Senators know it.
What is it going to take? I’m hoping this is the week . . . (Fat lady, are you warming up?)
I Doubt There Is A Silver Bullet
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 5:05PM EST (link)Time, attrition and a thousand paper cuts will gut this bill.
Constitutionality of Obamacare
DerKrieger (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 5:37PM EST (link)This is the argument the GOP needs to be making. It’s up to the Dems to prove otherwise.
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/12/11/are-federal-health-insurance-mandates-constitutional/
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
That Montana professor
proudmarinemom (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 8:28PM EST (link)needs to get in front of a camera and explain his argument, in simple terms, to ordinary Americans.
Those of us who have studied Con Law (my own education consisted of a couple of cursory review courses too many years ago) can follow along to some degree, but I’m struggling to paraphrase the argument for the liberal nitwits in my circle who refuse to think.
Someone please write a Tenth Amendment Handbook! Hurry!
PS I nominate Prof. Natelson for President! Go Grizzlies!!!
Constitutionality?
Cargosquid (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 10:38PM EST (link)Since when has EITHER party wanted to bring that up? The GOP doesn’t dare because they want to be able to ignore the Constitution when it suits THEM.
VOTE THEM ALL OUT.
Sadly true
RedBeard Monday, December 14th at 7:28AM EST (link)If we gathered up every member of Congress who honors and respects the Constitution, we could transport them all in a minivan.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
Post number 4,922
partyof1 Sunday, December 13th at 6:01PM EST (link)predicting the death of Obamacare.
We ALL want this to happen, but counting our chickens at this stage is the absolute worst mindset to have.
This is the equivalent of having a nuclear weapon sitting in the Capitol Rotunda, but hey don’t worry, it doesn’t have a fuse.
Democrats will do anything, say anything, lie, cheat, steal, did I mention lie, to get this passed because once it’s law, it’s over.
We will stop this.
Third Street (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 6:32PM EST (link)ObamaCare can be stopped only if public opposition remains at a fever pitch. In order for that to happen people must believe that ObamaCare can be stopped. If we become fatalistic, start to believe the Dems have won no matter what we do, we slide into apathy and let our collective guard down. And then they really will be able to put together enough senators to ram it through.
Dan has been doing a great job in keeping spirits, hope, and confidence up with his posts on ObamaCare, and this in turn will fuel its defeat. Bring on Post No. 4,923.
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
Right on, thanks Dan
ericstenner Sunday, December 13th at 6:38PM EST (link)Agreed, Dan has done a great job pointing out the positives in the fight against Obamacare. And Erick keeps reminding us that we still need to be fighting, and that our leadership needs to be fighting harder. Perfect 1-2 punch – thanks Dan and Erick.
Yeah, it's kinda the good cop, bad cop
redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 6:41PM EST (link)except they’re both really good.
He's a great American, but more importantly, a great man.
independence44 Monday, December 14th at 2:14AM EST (link)I could not agree more with these comments. Dan works so hard, constantly keeping an optimistic outlook at the things going on in Washington D.C.
He’s definitely a fighter, and fights for what he believes in, which is incredibly admirable.
I really believe that America is a better place because of him. I’ve learned a lot from him watching him work so hard over the years.
He’s made a difference.
i love you dad.
Don't get your hopes up
clintonformccain Sunday, December 13th at 6:41PM EST (link)Remember, in Washington, “I can’t support this bill” just means “keep driving the bidding up until you meet my price.”.
The Senators all have a vested interest in making it seem like they won’t vote for the bill. That’s how they get a better offer. If Reid could simply count 60 votes now, the bidding would end.
Snow and Collins will vote for the bill. They will just extract an extra pound of goodies for Maine first.. The Nelsons will vote for the bill, just as soon as the deal is sweet enough.
ObamaCare has had more lives than Jason in Friday the 13th
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 7:56PM EST (link)Town Hall Revolt? Back from the dead
Christie wins and McConnell landslides? Back from the dead to pass the house
I’m not taking any comfort until this monstrocity has a stake through its heart.
Uh, No - Politicians Care About Reelection *FIRST*
IJB Sunday, December 13th at 8:10PM EST (link)Politicians are interested in “pork” only insofar as it furthers their ultimate aim – reelection.
If the “price” for the “pork” is too high – and ObamaCare, by definition, is a price too high for politicians in all but the most Leftist states – then there will be no interest in the “pork payoff”.
I’ve seen nothing to indicate that simple pork would buy off either Snowe or Collins, at this point, as taking a “moderate” stance *against* ObamaCare does much more to buttress their reelection chances in ME than taking a small pork-y “payoff” would.
The idea that Obama, Reid & co. can “buy their way to 60″ is greatly overstated around here – that idea only becomes tenable if you believe that a significant number of people (e.g. Lincoln of AR) are willing to be bought off with a post-election-loss, post-political, big salary “sinecure” job.
So far, I’ve seen no evidence that people like Lieberman or Nelson of NE fall into this latter category. Neither do Snowe nor Collins. So far, only Lincoln and Landrieu may fall into the latter camp. And that doesn’t get them to 60…
Liberman getting his revenge?
DerKrieger (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 8:08PM EST (link)Lieberman is trying to make sure he is reelectable. Reid is making sure he can never get reelected. Why would Lieberman listen to anything Reid has to say? They tried to beat him with Lamont and failed. Lieberman doesn’t need the Democrats. They need him. And although a Liberal, he’s not a socialist Lefty.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
Lieberman Will Have A Big Piece Of His Revenge in 2010
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 8:18PM EST (link)… when Chris Dodd goes down in flames. Few things hurt him more than Dodd bailing on him.
the only one with seemingly
bsquared Sunday, December 13th at 11:56PM EST (link)ANY balls at the moment…
Oathkeeper Observing…
Comment test
tazzmax Sunday, December 13th at 8:12PM EST (link)comment test.
I don't trust Leiberman
tazzmax Sunday, December 13th at 8:15PM EST (link)any more than all the other ‘RATs and RINOs”,….he’s a snake just like all the rest of them.
But this is more of a stake in the ground than he's put so far
bk (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 6:14AM EST (link)And he HAS in effect called out Reid for his “compromise” last week.
Reid has painted himself into a corner now – first he blew off Nelson and then he pissed off Lieberman. Someone like Landrieu or Lincoln may be waiting until the price is right, but Nelson and Lieberman almost certainly can’t be bought off without fixing what they don’t like.
And Lieberman is none too happy with Reid for another reason. Harry had the latest pork-related vote on Saturday and Joe had to walk 5 miles each way in crappy weather to cast the 60th vote for it.
Hey Dan do you think they...
erod (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 9:18PM EST (link)can vote on this bill before the recess? Or do you see it dragging out more?
One of two things will happen,
Dan Perrin (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 5:14PM EST (link)they never have a vote and it just drifts into outer darkness, or they have the cloture vote and they lose
They can pick their poison.
Lieberman NYET - I don't buy it for a minute...
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Sunday, December 13th at 10:13PM EST (link)(NOTE: this make thes
4th5th time today I’m having to attempt to repost something (and 3rd time for this attempted comment alone, so I’m not even bothering to try to use Reply-To) that just went into RedState nowhereland…. in case Mod’s haven’t had it happen to them to recognize there are “issues” with the site)….As stated above…. it’s all posturing…. Lieberman might stay NO to ending a Fillabuster IF some dumb Republican provides him cover to vote NO by voting yes as we’ve seen with the Omnibus Bill BS – Setting up Duplicity Votes – the have it both way Game Politicians play to be able to say anything during Campaigns and 3 R’s give 3 weak D’s duplicity coverage voting FOR Omnibus spending
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“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)
It is not conservative (enough)
dvdmsr (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 6:26AM EST (link)If and when this bill fails, this ought to be our talking point as to why.
Simply put, most Americans our conservative, the bills backers failed to consider this or the conservative members of their own party, and they (backers) instead pushed a bill that could not pass because it was not a conservative (enough) bill.
Message/Lesson: bills need to be more conservative. I like that lesson.
Personal Responsibility Conservative
"are" not "our" - I hate when I do that -nt-
dvdmsr (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 6:28AM EST (link)Personal Responsibility Conservative
try having dyslexia
kyle8 (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 6:43AM EST (link)if it were not for spell check I would transpose the letters in about every fourth word I write.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Democratic Senators Need To Be Contacted Now
countessolenska Monday, December 14th at 2:35PM EST (link)They are having a meeting today at 5:30 p.m. Please contact your Democratic senators to encourage them to give up trying to pass this before Christmas. People in Missouri should be especially strong! Claire McCaskill is teetering!
This bill is a political failure so the bottom line is
Dan Perrin (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 5:16PM EST (link)simple, they will always find some excuse to vote against it, Reid vapor bill or something else, it does not really matter what reason they give.
The political FAIL is driving the vote count.
Calling All Missourians!!
countessolenska Monday, December 14th at 2:37PM EST (link)Contact Claire McCaskill and urge her to stop pushing for passage of health care reform before Christmas. It’s an arbitrary deadline and it is foolish. McCaskill is voicing doubts. She could be persuaded.
Claire McCackle (CINOd-MO)
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 2:53PM EST (link)the only thing she is doing is holding her breathe hoping some Republican will be dumb enough to provide her CCINO coverage (like with Omnibus – 3 R’s give 3 weak D’s duplicity coverage voting FOR Omnibus spending) to hornswaggle MO voters again and get her a another term and opportunity to do the real damage she prefers to do with full fledged Blue-Dog-pavlovian rollovers. Will the people of MO fall for her CCINOism yet again?
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