Sen. Ben Nelson: I will not vote to end the filibuster


Everyone in the country closely following the ObamaCare saga have been waiting for Senator Nelson (D-NE) to give us a sense of where he is on the bill since his abortion restriction amendment failed last week.

Yesterday, Senator Nelson — a long time pro-lifer — said
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“I can’t support cloture [ending the filibuster] on the next round,”

and that adds a second large monkey wrench in the Senate ObamaCare gears.

Monkey-wrench number one is the public option.

Monkey-wrench number two is Nelson’s statement above.

Monkey-wrench number three is any number of things that could rise to the level of a monkey-wrench, but are still in the small household pliers category. (The drug re-importation issue seems to be growing out of the pliers stage and into the monkey-wrench category.)

If Senator Nelson keeps his word, then there are now two Senators, independent Lieberman and democratic Nelson who are at no on the cloture vote — who have publicly announced they are at no.

On the cloture vote on the motion to proceed, Senator Nelson never said he would vote no prior to the vote. But he is saying he will vote no now, if the bill is not changed. And since it takes 60 votes to change the bill, and Senator Nelson’s changes have already been defeated, then we know the outcome of the cloture vote for Nelson — NO.

The same goes for Senator Lieberman — since it seems Senator Reid’s vapor deal is evaporating — it is likely that the Dems cannot change the bill to remove the public option to get Lieberman’s vote, and keep the other 59 Democratic Senators on board. This means, like Senator Nelson, no changes to the bill means Lieberman is at NO on cloture (ending the filibuster) too.


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Patriot or Just Citizen?

pl10 Saturday, December 12th at 9:19AM EST (link)

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I'll take this as a YES,

barry915barry (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 10:10AM EST (link)

that you are liking the fact that this would appear to be another nail in the ObamaCare coffin. Barry

 
 

Dan, I open to RedState this a.m. and what do I see?

penguin2 (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 9:21AM EST (link)

Your post. Great way to start a Saturday!. The reasoning you give at least gives us a glimmer of hope. Now, if we can just get them to go home for the holidays….

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That glimmer is opening wider and wider every day. nt

erod (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 10:54AM EST (link)

At some point the Dems are going to have to

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:02PM EST (link)

call no joy

 
 

Nelson a no ??

texasgalt (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 10:27PM EST (link)

Senator Nelson might vote against closure . . . if his vote isn’t really needed. If his vote is a decider, he will give Reid and the Bama their victory. Snow and/or Collins might well save him the political pain.

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This is good news!

cari Saturday, December 12th at 9:24AM EST (link)

My husband asked me what I wanted for Christmas, and with all honesty I told him, “The death of the health care bill.” I remain cautious with my optimism, but it’s looking more and more likely I’ll get my Christmas wish. Thanks for your excellent posts, Dan!

Happy to brighten your

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:03PM EST (link)

Not so fast. Snowe and Collins can say Yes

honorable (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:23PM EST (link)

These two RINOs will say yes.

Snowe is at NO on the bill because of the public

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 5:48PM EST (link)

option, the same as Lieberman, and Snowe has rejected the Reid vapor deal as the public option replacement.

Collins is at NO too.

 
 
 

A sinkhole is opening.

Mayhem (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 10:21AM EST (link)

The foundation is starting to slip.

An avalanche is about to begin.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

I am beginning to detect a loss

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:09PM EST (link)

of will on the D side

 
 

The Irony would be hilarious...

Diogenes314 (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 10:37AM EST (link)

…if it holds up, that is. Having the leftists cherished ‘Right to Choose’ kneecap their Holy Grail of ‘Right to Health Care”.

Thanks to the Pro-Abortionists, we may still get to actually choose after all.

Pretty much

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 6:10PM EST (link)
 
 

Dan this is good news, but...

erod (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 10:47AM EST (link)

do you think Nelson is waiting to be bought off? I.e. the rumors that were released yesterday about him being paid off.

Oh and one more thing because these Dems are...

erod (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 10:49AM EST (link)

crazy do you think they will go to reconciliation if they can’t get cloture?

Can they?

DerKrieger (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 11:09AM EST (link)

My understanding is that they can’t do anything if they can’t get cloture. Reconciliation is what they need for the final vote.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

Thanks DerKrieger in a week or two...

erod (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 11:21AM EST (link)

it may be time to get giddy.

 
 
 

I think, now, that those rumors had to do

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:11PM EST (link)

with Nelson’s position on the Reid vapor deal

 
 

Who's next?

DerKrieger (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 11:07AM EST (link)

I suspect there are several “moderate” Democrats who will now find this bill objectionable now that Sen. Nelson was “brave” enough to be first in opposition. Now that it’s “safe” to come out let’s see who we can get to poke their heads out of the bunker.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

Yep: If They Don't Get To 60, They Don't Get To 45

IJB Saturday, December 12th at 11:30AM EST (link)

That’s how it worked on the side-bill about Dr’s payments a couple of months ago: Reid didn’t just fail to get Cloture – he failed to even get a majority!

That’s how Obamacare will go too – once it’s clear that there won’t be 60 votes no matter what they do, every Red and Purple State Dem (think phonies like Webb & Warner & Landrieu & the ND & AR emptyheads here) will abandon the bill, and the ultimate cloture vote will end up being something like 45-55 (that’s 55 on *No*).

If this thing falls apart, it won’t just barely miss with 56-59 – it’ll miss by a ton.

It’s starting to look like that’s how it may go down…

Yes, one absolute firm NO

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:15PM EST (link)

means the bill fails, which then means the other Senators have a simple calculation to make, if my vote does not matter, then why should I get the public blow-back and ire for voting yes, so I will vote no too.

 
 
 

They gave up on Nelson last week, but IMO all other Dems and Snowe are still in play

bk (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 11:43AM EST (link)

You said: “it is likely that the Dems cannot change the bill to remove the public option to get Lieberman’s vote, and keep the other 59 Democratic Senators on board.”

I totally disagree with this logic. There is no way in hell that Reid will come up with some amendment that will get the votes of Snowe and Lieberman and then have some liberal say, “Oh never mind I’d rather vote with the GOP to kill it than have this bill pass.”

Maybe nothing can be done to get Lieberman on board and Snowe to replace Nelson, but no matter what they have stated or promised, no liberal is going to be the 41st vote to filibuster.

We Don't Need To Get To "41" - *They* Need To Get To 60

IJB Saturday, December 12th at 11:49AM EST (link)

That’s how cloture works: it doesn’t matter how many “No” votes there are (40 or 41 on No is irrelevant – it could be 25 on No, and it’s the same thing) – what matters is that there are 60 (or more) votes on Yes.

So, we don’t have to work on getting “No’s” – Reid has to work on getting the 60 “Yeses”…

Same thing unless you think some Dems will vote "present" or go into hiding

bk (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 1:35PM EST (link)

They’ve all been showing up for the votes except Byrd, and you can bet they’ll medivac him in iwhen it’s time for a final vote.

I realize the difference and that it’s why there are no more Mr Smith goes to Washington scenarios and all that. But when it comes to this vote, they are all going to vote.

The moderates who’d just as soon be able to vote against it won’t do so unless Nelson or Lieberman is the 41st vote and they can ride that train. That’s why if it turns out a cloture vote is failing 41-59 the 41 will suddenly jump to 45 or more.

 

Thank you IJB

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:18PM EST (link)

You are correct.

 
 

I disagree

DerKrieger (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 12:31PM EST (link)

I think there are a few Dems desperately seeking a way out of this suicidal vote and have been just waiting for an opening. Expect some more defections possibly before and definitely after Christmas.
Moderate Dems aren’t ideological Kamikazes like Reid, Durbin, and most of the gang from the NE and Left coast. They’re willing to work on something for the good of the party but are probably quietly pissed as He!! about having to take all the political heat over this bill. I know my senators, Lincoln and Pryor, are getting lots and lots of angry calls. Arkansans oppose this by almost 70%. Lincoln is in deep trouble and Pryor is praying we forget when he’s up in 2014. We won’t.
Moderates also know that Obama’s time is limited and theirs is not. At least not Constitutionally. Therefore self-preservation ought to be top of mind. There are probably several old Dems that are ready for retirement and will vote for this monstrosity knowing they’d never survive a campaign battle.

Next time you call your Senator remind the staffer that it’s not just the Senator’s job that’s on the line, it’s the staffer’s too. Do they want to go down with their Senators?

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

similar comment as above

bk (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 1:36PM EST (link)

Someone like Lincoln could live with being the 60th vote for cloture but not the 41st vote against it. She may hope it fails so that she can flip and be the 42nd vote to kill it, but she will not be the 41st.

What would I do with out you BK to challenge these assumptions?

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:29PM EST (link)

The first problem the Dems have with the Lieberman and Nelson issues, is to come up with a formulation of how to create a deal that is acceptable to all 60 Senators, to get Lieberman and Nelson back without losing others.

Reid’s vapor bill was the best attempt at that, but it is failing.

They need another formulation, but do not have it.

Once they get another, if they do, it has to be vetted by all the interest groups who have the ability to move one or more Senator on their issue. There are many.

And in health care, as always, Senators and staff can sit around and talk about ideas that sound OK, but once they go on paper and the implications and the political realities set in, Senators bolt, they always do.

This means that Reid has to — to use a Russian saying — dodge the raindrops on the public option and the abortion issue.

In my view, given the massive drop in the polls that the bill has taken recently, there is no real political incentive for Senators to contort themselves to any new Reid vapor deal. There is too much pain. And DerKrieger has an excellent point, Dem Senators are looking for ways to avoid voting for it — not looking for ways to contort themselves into what ever pretzel formulation the next edition of Reid vapor deal II is — meaning, it is mighty hard to solve both of these problems.

Furthermore, there are other landmines lurking, the Dorgan amendment on re-importation for one, and some other as yet to be revealed devastating votes.

Actually I agree with the majority of what you're saying

bk (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 3:03PM EST (link)

even though it might not seem that way. :-)

Reid has a delicate balancing act made even more delicate because of his spouting off earlier this week in a poor attempt to bully the recalcitrant Dems. Bad move Harry!

And then the CMS report yesterday had to have Lincoln and Landrieu and Snowe and any alleged fiscal moderates ready to faint.

It seems that there are a whole bunch of Dems who want to vote against it, but I believe they are too chicken to take the lead. My gut tells me that they will vote nay if they have cover to do so by having the GOP united and either Nelson or Lieberman joining them. It seems Nelson has become a pretty solid nay (at least as much as you can trust any Democrat haha), so the question is really Lieberman and Snowe. If they both end up voting yea I believe it will get 60 votes. If one or both of them is a no, giving 41 nay votes including Nelson, then the floodgates could open.

 
 
 

There are no moderate Dems

honorable (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:32PM EST (link)

In my opinion there are no moderate Dems. They all are open for sale and they wlill be bought off just like Mary Landreiu. Especially those who are not up for reelection.

On most pieces of legislation, a principled stand

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:39PM EST (link)

would be difficult to hold onto, especially with the pressure from the White House and others.

But this bill is a political failure.

The public is watching and paying attention like hawks and the public is pissed off, almost beyond measure.

This makes it much easier to make a principled stand. Plus, for pro-lifers, abortion is an issue in a completely different category, since you are talking about using taxpayer dollars to kill innocents.

For these reasons, it is a different this time. Very different.

Pressure from the WH?

DerKrieger (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 4:36PM EST (link)

I’ve never really understood how much pressure the WH can actually put on a member of Congress. No member is beholden to the WH for anything. Perhaps if Obama were popular his support in a reelection bid might be worth supporting his agenda but he’s being kept at arms length by smart Dems. Members of Congress have to answer to voters, not to Obama. If I were a member of Congress I’d look out for myself by looking out for my constituents. The He!! with the president and the party leadership. I guess it’s just me, country over party.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

 
 
 
 
 

My Worry

DavidSage (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 12:01PM EST (link)

The Democrats put the pro-life language in the bill, Nelson votes to end the filibuster and struts around like some hero since he was able to force this concession. This concession gives him enough cover for his Nebraska constituents that he can now at the very least vote to move debate forward, giving Democrats the ability to clear the 60 vote hurdle where they only need 50 votes to actually pass it. Conservatives cheer that this was some incredible victory for our side even though we now have ObamaCare. It would really be no different than how it played out in the House with Stupak.

I’m glad the abortion part of this bill is giving the Democrats all sorts of problems, but I just don’t think if it really comes down to it abortion will derail this. Universal Health Care is a far more important goal for socialism than public financing of abortions. The abortion part is just icing on the cake. I’m hoping Democrats’ stubborness on abortion will derail this, but we’ll see.

NE voters

DerKrieger (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 12:24PM EST (link)

…don’t want this bill and Nelson knows it. They aren’t going to be swayed by abortion. I think that’s just a smokescreen Nelson is using to oppose it.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

Hoping Your're Right

DavidSage (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 1:19PM EST (link)

Problem is, there really isn’t a viable Republican to challenge Nelson, and he’s also near retirement anyway being in his seventies.

There’s several states that are adamantly opposed, yet their Senators are most likely going to vote for ObamaCare States like Montana, Arkansas, West Virginia, Louisiana, Virginia, Indiana etc. all have Democrat Senators, yet there really isn’t much of a question that they’re going to cast their vote for ObamaCare.

If abortion is the reason the bill dies, great, I just don’t want abortion to seem like the only issue with this bill because that part can easily put aside just like it was in the House, giving “blue dogs” enough cover for their “Red State” constituents.

The problem for the pro-abortionists

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:43PM EST (link)

is that they cannot accept any abortion restrictions that would appease Nelson because if they did, they would have to risk there being no House-Senate conference, and the provision staying in when it went to the House.

 

Lincoln is my senator

DerKrieger (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 4:40PM EST (link)

…and I think she’s worked out a deal for a cash payoff or for a cushy job. Obamacare is opposed by almost 70% of Arkansans so she has NO reason to vote for this if not for personal gain. Below is a letter I sent to the the state paper, the WSJ, and the two leading GOP candidates vying to run against her.

“I have been following the debate over health care “reform” quite closely and call the offices of Senators Lincoln and Pryor several times a week to express my wishes that they vote against this unconstitutional abomination. I don’t know if there are any legal obligations on the part of our representatives in the House and Senate to vote in accordance with the wishes of their constituents but there is certainly a duty to do so. That Senators Lincoln and Pryor are not firmly against a government takeover of our health care system in spite of representing a state that John McCain won 59% to 39% and in spite of statewide polls that show Arkansans are overwhelmingly against the Democrats’ plans raises questions about their honesty, integrity, and their fidelity to those they were elected to represent.
Senator Pryor likely believes that the voters will have forgotten about his vote by the time he’s up for reelection in 2014 so is likely to vote against the wishes of Arkansas voters and instead vote down the line with the most radical elements of his party. We won’t forget.
Senator Lincoln’s support for Obamacare is somewhat more puzzling given the fact that she is aware of her poll numbers, the outcome of the presidential election in Arkansas in 2008, and the lack of support for Obamacare in Arkansas. Senator Lincoln doesn’t strike me as a Leftist but rather as a pragmatic moderate who has, or had, the best interests of Arkansans in mind more often than not. But for some reason she seems to have thrown in with the socialist Left and has so far joined in with those that are seeking to radically alter the relationship between free American citizens and their government. Why?
Senator Landrieu of Louisiana has confessed to, and even seems proud of, accepting $300 million dollars from taxpayers to cover Medicare spending in LA. What I want to know, and we should all demand to know, is what was Senator Lincoln’s price for signing onto an unconstitutional power grab against the wishes of Arkansans? Was she offered a plum position in the Obama administration when, not if, she loses next year? Was she offered a cash bribe for herself? Senator Lincoln must know that her reelection hopes, if she has any at this point, are extremely dependent on her Obamacare vote so why would she vote for it and commit political suicide if not in expectation of personal gain? If she votes for Obamacare I want her investigated. I want the Arkansas Democrat Gazette and her would-be GOP opponents for her office next year to demand a full accounting of her vote. If it is discovered that she voted to support Obamacare in exchange for personal gain she should be charged with bribery, conspiracy and brought to trial. I don’t make these demands lightly but out of disgust, anger, and frustration with a woman, and let’s not forget Mark Pryor either, that is willfully ignoring the wishes of Arkansans for no rational reason. I hope that the courage to pursue such an investigation exists.”

If I were a lawyer I’d go after her myself. There ought to be some kind of charges a Rep can be brought up for so blatantly ignoring the will of constituents.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

 
 
 
 

I agree with John Thune

countessolenska Saturday, December 12th at 1:25PM EST (link)

As I said the other day, we need 1 or 2 surprise Dems to back out of the Dems’ unified front. Lieberman drew his line in the sand. Now, it appears that Ben Nelson has, and maybe even Bill Nelson of Florida. We need one of the Virginia guys to bolt, and it’s all over. I was thinking Evan Bayh might, but he seems to always try to play it safe.

John Thune told National Review that if this happens, you will begin to see a “jailbreak,” as several other Dems will jump ship.

http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTIxYzA1ZDE1MzkyYjYxOWM2MTFlNDQ2NmE4MTY3NGU=

Let's bake some cakes

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:33PM EST (link)

and smuggle in the hacksaws

Maybe that's what McConnell is doing

countessolenska Saturday, December 12th at 3:02PM EST (link)

Republican rank-and-file seem to be upset with his strategy. And, the Republicans could all just be bs’ing everyone. Chuck Todd of MSNBC said that he couldn’t really say whether Republican strategists would be happy or unhappy to see the Dems’ bill go down when you think about 2010.

My own take is that both McConnell and Kyl sounded sincere in their desire to stop this bill.

It would be best for Republicans if the bill

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 6:16PM EST (link)

passed because the longer and farther along the legislative process this bill goes, the worse the polls get.

The GOP needs to win this

vamoose Saturday, December 12th at 8:45PM EST (link)

The GOP rope-a-dope strategy only works if at some point they actually fight. They cannot “lose” their way into winning. Regardless of what happens with the bill, pass or fail, the GOP will be savagely attacked, so the GOP might as well do everything they can to defeat the bill. In addition, the bill’s defeat will be better for the country.

As far as the elections go next year, I don’t believe that Obama will suddenly stop alienating the voters of this country. They will slowly, but irretrievably, be lost issue by issue, just as they have over the past 11 months. Voters will see that the only way to overcome the Obama administration’s ineptitude on health care, jobs, the deficit, international relations, the economy, cap and trade, and the czars will be to remove Democrats from controlling congress. Obama isn’t smart enough to cut his losses and an move on. Instead he will double down on trying to govern without the consent of the majority. That’s been his pattern thus far and I don’t see him changing.

Defeat health care now and stand back in 2010 and watch Obama implode.

 
 
 
 
 

Sen. Nelson and supposed bluedogs

eldstenorge Saturday, December 12th at 2:19PM EST (link)

I will not hold my breath. After the last cloture vote, and the things Obama and the Democrats I doing I will never trust them again, nor will I EVER put a mark by ANY Democrat on a ballot again.

OK

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 2:31PM EST (link)

but Nelson never announced publicly prior to the cloture vote on the motion to proceed that he will vote against it.

This time, he has said so publicly, just like Lieberman, well in advance.

 
 

The problem with Ben Nelson

countessolenska Saturday, December 12th at 3:15PM EST (link)

Is that he is opposed to removing the anti-trust exemption for insurance companies. I think they should remove it, as it would increase competition, and thereby lower costs.

Well, apparently he is

Dan Perrin (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 6:35PM EST (link)

killing the bill instead.

That's the first step

countessolenska Saturday, December 12th at 10:40PM EST (link)

Dealing with how to REALLY reform health care would come after. But I don’t know if Republicans think it’s worthwhile to work on health care reform for real with elections coming up (when aren’t they – these people are always preparing for elections!) and while there is a Democratic president.

It was interesting on Greta the other night. She had Orrin Hatch on, and he said that Rahm Emanuel actually took him aside right after Obama became president and asked him if Hatch thought they could get health care passed, and Hatch told him “Absolutely.” But the Democrats decided to go it alone I guess. I’m not sure what their strategy was. Whatever their intention, it hasn’t worked very well.

 
 
 

YEA-SS!!!!!!

clowngirl (Diary) Saturday, December 12th at 6:22PM EST (link)

And Snowe was quoted about how Democrats were wanting to expand Medicare without thinking through the ramifications. Doesn’t sound like she’s remotely close to on board.

Glorious news Dan, Thank you!!