I’ve seen these tactics from Pelosi and Reid before. This could like a trial balloon to gauge what their liberal base will do if the public option is taken out, re-wording the legislative language but we would all know its still the public option or something far worse (expanding Medicare to age 55), a way to shore up Obamacare’s cratering numbers by depressing the opposition because it’s “inevitable” something is going to be done, or just to give the impression that Dingy Harry is doing something. With Nelson’s amendment going down yesterday, Nelson is in a very bad place right now. If he votes for cloture on a bill that has federal funding of abortion, he is through. Lieberman and Snowe don’t look that enthused either. In summary by looking at everything, it doesn’t look like anything is going to come out of the Senate by the Christmas recess. If this gets pushed into next year, the odds of passing Obamacare are next to nil.

on the Cold Rock in front of Terrible Hearst Gas Station. poof poof it was gone.

Searchlight Harry’s great ‘deal’ with Democrats is the oldest political trick in the book – and one that will be supported by the formerly main stream media. When liberals have an idea shot down (such as public option) they simply name it something else and call it a breakthrough.

In addition to this, ‘ol Harry won’t release the details o the agreement. If this was a great deal, it wouldn’t need to be secret.

There is know way I could keep up with all of this without all of your hard work. You’ve been on top of this from day one. Much appreciated.

I say don’t let Harry Reid set the tone by echoing throughout Washington that Obamacare is “inevitable”. He’s trying to break the will of opponents (at least among citizens) and create a vacuum into which he can step.

Let’s circulate the notion that it is over – dead bill walking. I’m not giving up hope yet!

http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjkzZmQ4NjI0MDNmZWYxNDgwNWE3OThlZmZiYzM4NTE=

He claims that there are two to three Democrats who will join Republicans in opposition to the bill. He discusses the importance of Joe Lieberman, and says that Harry Reid does not have 60 votes. Bill Kristol is saying that Reid is trying to create a sense of inevitability about the bill with the headlines today about the compromise.

Kyl also discusses the terrible consequences if this bill passes that most of us, as well as many in the country, have intuitively known for some time.

From my view, if the Senate bill hasn’t been voted on by Christmas, it’s probably dead. Now that Republicans have offered up amendments and played nice, how about throwing a monkey wrench into the gears and slowing it down to a crawl?

If Coburn starts demanding the bill needs to be read out loud, it won’t get voted on by Christmas. The Democrat leadership knows that ANY health care bill is going to be incredibly unpopular, especially if current Medicare recipients are going to have hundreds of billions in cuts made in order to expand the coverage to millions of new people.

Are Republicans keeping their powder dry, or did someone get to Coburn?

like guns

Harry Reid is out. Hopefully in November of 2010.

Dan Perrine

You should paid for this.

to coerce Democrats into coming to a real agreement and pass this thing asap. That’s what I’ve been reading and seeing on Fox all night.

Evidently, old Harry gambled and lost. Even the 10 Dems now say there is no deal, and that they weren’t under the impression that a compromise had been reached during the meeting they had with old Harry.

I was suspicious last night after reading that Russ Feingold, who was one of the 10, didn’t seem to be on board with Reid’s announcement. Then Nelson backed off his cave and said he wouldn’t vote for the bill without abortion payment restrictions. He sounded real cranky, too.

No matter – the Republicans must stop with the “play nice” stuff (always been their downfall). They have to remember that actions speak louder than words if they want to win the hearts and minds of the American people. It’s wylie coyote time.

Watching Greta. Senator Hatch is on and just made the greatest statement: The Democrats are functioning on an arrogance of power.

The Wall Street Journal editorial for tomorrow is bemoaning the way the Democrats are going about trying to pass this thing – sort of similar to the Orrin Hatch comments about the arrogance of power tonight on Greta. In making their point, the WSJ editorial praises Olympia Snowe’s speech in November about how this was too big and too serious a bill to have it rammed through Congress on a strictly partisan basis.

The editorial mentions Webb and Bayh (in addition to the usual suspects of Lincoln, Landrieu and Nelson) as Democrats that probably aren’t happy right now about the way things are going and would prefer to vote on a bipartisan bill. But of course they would have to vote against this bill in order to get that opportunity. Would they? Or might some other principled Democrat emerge who is just tired of this White House and Reid browbeating, who wants to do the right thing by Americans?

I’m thinking that if Bayh or Webb or Warner – all of whom may want to run for president someday – would risk incurring the wrath of the Obama crowd and the left wing of their party to do the right thing, they themselves would be better off in the long run politically – and they would be doing us all a big favor.

(if it actually existed) would do to the cost of the bill. Expanding Medicare to those 55 and up has to be crazy expensive.

Thanks for the WaterCooler Updates.

Let’s go get ‘em.

while I don’t think it’s time to be getting giddy, I think that this bill is starting to fall apart. They say they’re taking out the public option and then Reid says it’s still in. He does not have 60 votes yet, even though that could change. Don’t get me wrong I’m still scared crapless, but do you think that the bill could be suffocating slowly?

Oh, and by the way could anyone tell me when the Christmas recess is for Congress and does anyone think they’ll skip it and stay in session?

ever congressman and senator knows reid big lies.and they vote for it.my god is there a true american anywhere in government who will stand up and say.stop,do not vote for this bill.americans our freedom is at stake.the childern will be hurt the most.they want them under their thumbs.control them and kill freedom.

he sees his political future flashing right before his beady little eyes.

And I mean literally stink. If they remove abortion stuff and public option stuff from the bill to get their wobbly dem cohorts to vote for it, the abortion funding and the public option will just be put back in when the house and senate have to “homogenize” a final bill – which WILL be passed by the house. This is just more dirty, underhanded trickery to keep pushing the bill up the rungs until it gets back to the house. In my entire life, I’ve never witnessed such blatant disregard for the will of the people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/09/AR2009120903902.html

Politico called it “scathing.”