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	<title>Comments on: Vatican Searches the Heavens for Alien Life &#8212; Really? (Really, really)</title>
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		<title>By: Taniwha</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/11/vatican-searches-the-heavens-for-alien-life-really-really-really/#comment-3152</link>
		<dc:creator>Taniwha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... to assume the aliens aren&#039;t themselves demonically inspired, and would show themselves to muslims as the 12th imam.

That the Roman Catholic Church is the one preparing us for the revelation, for me, is pretty encouraging. I can only hope they know something we don&#039;t, which, as I said, doesn&#039;t seem all that unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; to assume the aliens aren&#8217;t themselves demonically inspired, and would show themselves to muslims as the 12th imam.</p>
<p>That the Roman Catholic Church is the one preparing us for the revelation, for me, is pretty encouraging. I can only hope they know something we don&#8217;t, which, as I said, doesn&#8217;t seem all that unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: Taniwha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taniwha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... perhaps the aliens are in a better position than us to know which religion is the correct one. If they did know the &#039;correct&#039; answer, as it were, why would they then invite reps of the religions that they know to be false at best, and demonic at worst?

Thought-provoking, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; perhaps the aliens are in a better position than us to know which religion is the correct one. If they did know the &#8216;correct&#8217; answer, as it were, why would they then invite reps of the religions that they know to be false at best, and demonic at worst?</p>
<p>Thought-provoking, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on that sentence.

Yes, I believe that intelligent alien life exists, and have visited Earth for many centuries.

As far as the theological implications, I would add a fourth and fifth possibility: 4) that Christ appeared no where else in the known universe and the aliens (EBEs) are actually miffed that Christ showed up here, among us violent and so un-evolved spiritually humans.  This could mean that Christ meant for humans to carry his message to the EBEs, but all will become clearer over time.

and 5) any clarity about these questions is not possible until they reveal themselves, or they are revealed, which is what I think is the best posture to be in now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on that sentence.</p>
<p>Yes, I believe that intelligent alien life exists, and have visited Earth for many centuries.</p>
<p>As far as the theological implications, I would add a fourth and fifth possibility: 4) that Christ appeared no where else in the known universe and the aliens (EBEs) are actually miffed that Christ showed up here, among us violent and so un-evolved spiritually humans.  This could mean that Christ meant for humans to carry his message to the EBEs, but all will become clearer over time.</p>
<p>and 5) any clarity about these questions is not possible until they reveal themselves, or they are revealed, which is what I think is the best posture to be in now.</p>
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		<title>By: mschmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mschmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Derek V. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek V. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting indeed. Your comment: My own view on the existence of alien life is that Earthlings will look back at the time when humans did not believe in the existence of intelligence alien life in same manner which we now look back at those who believed the earth was flat.&quot; seems to suggest quite a confidence in the existence of ETs. 

I had always thought the idea was at least plausible until I began to consider the implications to my faith and what Scripture said about mankind and our sinful nature. To wit, all men originated from one man, and sin entered into men by that man (Romans 5:12). Genesis also records the story (reality, in my opinion) of all creation. I&#039;ll admit that God did not comment as to whether he created &quot;other&quot; non-humans (though that&#039;s a fairly large omission), but He did share to other items of note: 1) God created angels, which serve Him  and are unseen, and 2) man&#039;s sin creates a barrier between man and God, which requires a Savior, Jesus Christ.

So what&#039;s the point of all that. Either aliens are 1) sinless and not in need of salvation, 2) God created another Messiah or Jesus died for them too (extremely problematic Scripturally), or 3) sin doesn&#039;t exist. 

From the perspective of a Christian with a high view of Scripture, I cannot reconcile the existence of other intelligent/alien life with the creation and redemption of man through God&#039;s only Son. 

And on a side note, I&#039;m very unimpressed with these intelligent beings if they haven&#039;t made it earth by now,... or they have, but they&#039;re just so darn shy they won&#039;t reveal themselves. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting indeed. Your comment: My own view on the existence of alien life is that Earthlings will look back at the time when humans did not believe in the existence of intelligence alien life in same manner which we now look back at those who believed the earth was flat.&#8221; seems to suggest quite a confidence in the existence of ETs. </p>
<p>I had always thought the idea was at least plausible until I began to consider the implications to my faith and what Scripture said about mankind and our sinful nature. To wit, all men originated from one man, and sin entered into men by that man (Romans 5:12). Genesis also records the story (reality, in my opinion) of all creation. I&#8217;ll admit that God did not comment as to whether he created &#8220;other&#8221; non-humans (though that&#8217;s a fairly large omission), but He did share to other items of note: 1) God created angels, which serve Him  and are unseen, and 2) man&#8217;s sin creates a barrier between man and God, which requires a Savior, Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the point of all that. Either aliens are 1) sinless and not in need of salvation, 2) God created another Messiah or Jesus died for them too (extremely problematic Scripturally), or 3) sin doesn&#8217;t exist. </p>
<p>From the perspective of a Christian with a high view of Scripture, I cannot reconcile the existence of other intelligent/alien life with the creation and redemption of man through God&#8217;s only Son. </p>
<p>And on a side note, I&#8217;m very unimpressed with these intelligent beings if they haven&#8217;t made it earth by now,&#8230; or they have, but they&#8217;re just so darn shy they won&#8217;t reveal themselves. <img src='http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/11/vatican-searches-the-heavens-for-alien-life-really-really-really/#comment-3027</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and a delegation of representatives from the earth were to be invited, would you invite a representative from each of the world&#039;s religions?</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/11/vatican-searches-the-heavens-for-alien-life-really-really-really/#comment-2989</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>changer</description>
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		<title>By: Swamp_Yankee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swamp_Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very valid and worthwhile pursuit. NASA just rammed the moon in pursuit of ice belts. There is a high probability that some form of life may be found someday, even if its microscopic. Its a thought provoking and interesting debate. The ones who will look silly are the ones who seek a literal explanation in the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very valid and worthwhile pursuit. NASA just rammed the moon in pursuit of ice belts. There is a high probability that some form of life may be found someday, even if its microscopic. Its a thought provoking and interesting debate. The ones who will look silly are the ones who seek a literal explanation in the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: wayneinnh</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayneinnh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still shaking my head at this. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;The questions of life&#039;s origins and of whether life exists elsewhere in the universe are very suitable and deserve serious consideration,&quot; said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the Vatican Observatory.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t have to get past the first chapter to be able to answer this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still shaking my head at this. </p>
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&#8220;The questions of life&#8217;s origins and of whether life exists elsewhere in the universe are very suitable and deserve serious consideration,&#8221; said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the Vatican Observatory.
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<p>I didn&#8217;t have to get past the first chapter to be able to answer this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/11/vatican-searches-the-heavens-for-alien-life-really-really-really/#comment-2903</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t take it personally</description>
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		<title>By: Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was taking issue with the canard being foisted by Wikipedia.  I apologize if I made it seem personal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was taking issue with the canard being foisted by Wikipedia.  I apologize if I made it seem personal.</p>
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		<title>By: Taniwha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taniwha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the first aspects of it that occurred to me is, if there ARE aliens, what are the chances that the very highest echelons of the Church know, even if the rest of us pishers don&#039;t? 

Put another way: perhaps, contacting aliens knew enough to go to them and not just the first dirtball they saw on the street. Making the requisite assumption about alien existence itself, I don&#039;t find it all that unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the first aspects of it that occurred to me is, if there ARE aliens, what are the chances that the very highest echelons of the Church know, even if the rest of us pishers don&#8217;t? </p>
<p>Put another way: perhaps, contacting aliens knew enough to go to them and not just the first dirtball they saw on the street. Making the requisite assumption about alien existence itself, I don&#8217;t find it all that unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assumed you had actually read the AP article referred to in the diary, when actually you were just taking a cheap opportunity to be smug and condescending in showing off your Christian faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assumed you had actually read the AP article referred to in the diary, when actually you were just taking a cheap opportunity to be smug and condescending in showing off your Christian faith.</p>
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		<title>By: alpharob1</title>
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		<dc:creator>alpharob1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice Stretch!

matt 5:22 for the uninformed:

22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother[a]will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, &#039;Raca,[b]&#039; is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, &#039;You fool!&#039; will be in danger of the fire of hell&quot;

I have no chance of instructing such wise and knowledgeable folks but suggest they might want to read their bibles prior to pursuing such a silly pursuit as chasing after aliens.  Appears quite inconsistent to me
as it relates to Scripture.   Perhaps you have a different opinion?  One
that&#039;s supportable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Stretch!</p>
<p>matt 5:22 for the uninformed:</p>
<p>22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother[a]will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, &#8216;Raca,[b]&#8216; is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, &#8216;You fool!&#8217; will be in danger of the fire of hell&#8221;</p>
<p>I have no chance of instructing such wise and knowledgeable folks but suggest they might want to read their bibles prior to pursuing such a silly pursuit as chasing after aliens.  Appears quite inconsistent to me<br />
as it relates to Scripture.   Perhaps you have a different opinion?  One<br />
that&#8217;s supportable?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>prepare for theologically disruptive discoveries, reading the bible any such discovery in mind</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to pound the Church here, the point is to point  out that they have a point</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to pound the Church here, the point is to point  out that they have a point</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but I now believe that because they have not found anything, they are looking in the wrong places. 

I still run BOINC, but am on the Spinhenge project</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but I now believe that because they have not found anything, they are looking in the wrong places. </p>
<p>I still run BOINC, but am on the Spinhenge project</p>
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		<title>By: Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe if they read their Bibles&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I usually ask my brother to please re-read Matthew 5:22.</description>
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<p>I usually ask my brother to please re-read Matthew 5:22.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t believe in ETs when I started, and I still don&#039;t. They&#039;re great for sf novels and all, but once you stop suspending disbelief and start looking at the astrophysics of it, nope. Space is too big and the speed of light is just too impossible a barrier. I contributed to SETI because at the time they were the only program I knew of where you could contribute PC time to astronomy research. I even had an email exchange with somebody at the home office to make sure the research was useful for other things and was assured it was. I stopped contributing not because of my non-belief, but because their feed servers kept disappearing for extended periods of time. These days I contribute to Einstein instead. They look for pulsars using gravitational wave data.

Shameless plugs:

If you are also interested in contributing checkout their website at http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/.

Of course the BOINC system is now being used for lots of other stuff. They list a bunch of stuff at their website (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php) and you can get the software at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t believe in ETs when I started, and I still don&#8217;t. They&#8217;re great for sf novels and all, but once you stop suspending disbelief and start looking at the astrophysics of it, nope. Space is too big and the speed of light is just too impossible a barrier. I contributed to SETI because at the time they were the only program I knew of where you could contribute PC time to astronomy research. I even had an email exchange with somebody at the home office to make sure the research was useful for other things and was assured it was. I stopped contributing not because of my non-belief, but because their feed servers kept disappearing for extended periods of time. These days I contribute to Einstein instead. They look for pulsars using gravitational wave data.</p>
<p>Shameless plugs:</p>
<p>If you are also interested in contributing checkout their website at http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/.</p>
<p>Of course the BOINC system is now being used for lots of other stuff. They list a bunch of stuff at their website (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php) and you can get the software at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/</p>
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		<title>By: Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Wikipedia the best you could do on Galileo?  The &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; is always sure to fail to mention that Galileo&#039;s observations on heliocentric motion were begun by Copernicus, a Catholic monk who never lost standing in the church.  &lt;A&gt;Galileo&#039;s problem was a matter of church discipline, not heresy.&lt;/a&gt;  He was ordered to revise his book - which probably would have been published and used only in Catholic universities anyway - to clarify that heliocentric planetary was still, technically at the time, a theory.  It wasn&#039;t scientifically proven until the 20th century.   His other problem was that his book was written in the form of a dialogue portraying the pope as a moronic clown - OK for the Reformation era Europeans, not so much for a man of the church who wanted to remain in good standing.  He eventually took his church discipline like  a man with a house arrest in the papal mansion, still being treated like the rock star of his time that he was. 

As for this or that being declared by &quot;The Vatican,&quot; please learn to be sceptical about that.  The MSM will take the word of any secretary or cleric as papal ex cathedra doctrine if it fits their agenda to ridicule and discredit the Catholic faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Wikipedia the best you could do on Galileo?  The &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; is always sure to fail to mention that Galileo&#8217;s observations on heliocentric motion were begun by Copernicus, a Catholic monk who never lost standing in the church.  <a>Galileo&#8217;s problem was a matter of church discipline, not heresy.</a>  He was ordered to revise his book &#8211; which probably would have been published and used only in Catholic universities anyway &#8211; to clarify that heliocentric planetary was still, technically at the time, a theory.  It wasn&#8217;t scientifically proven until the 20th century.   His other problem was that his book was written in the form of a dialogue portraying the pope as a moronic clown &#8211; OK for the Reformation era Europeans, not so much for a man of the church who wanted to remain in good standing.  He eventually took his church discipline like  a man with a house arrest in the papal mansion, still being treated like the rock star of his time that he was. </p>
<p>As for this or that being declared by &#8220;The Vatican,&#8221; please learn to be sceptical about that.  The MSM will take the word of any secretary or cleric as papal ex cathedra doctrine if it fits their agenda to ridicule and discredit the Catholic faith.</p>
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