Pelosi and Reid both BELONG to Obama. They will try every trick they can to push this down our throats. And if that means extorting a few votes and buying a few more, then up pops the devil and the bill goes through.

We hate Osama bin Ladin, We distrust Iran and North Lkorea. Yet we elect as President the most dangerous man on the planet.

After it comes out of conference, it only take 51 votes to pass at that point?

How much leeway do they have to reinstate objectionable features in conference? Is it “anything goes”?

It is Graham, Snowe, Collins, and McCain.

It could pass in a watered-down form with some GOP Senators but be just as devastating to healthcare and the economy/jobs.

B) Dems must have 60 votes to end the filibuster of the bill. They cannot move to final passage where they need 51 votes unless they get 60 votes first.

OK?

The second strike coming form Erick’s strategy below, is a brilliant strategy once “on the field”. It speaks to Dan’s #3 of this post, but offering meaningful amendments. (From Erick’s diary back on Tuesday, http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/10/if-health-care-becomes-about-abortion-or-any-other-issue-but-freedom-we-lose/ )

“Mandates must come out because government should not force people to purchase health insurance. The public option must come out because it will destroy competition and intentionally undermine contracts between private entities. Triggers must be abandoned because Obama will have every incentive to trigger the trigger. Payment restrictions to doctors must come out because government should not set wages for doctors. It must be a game of subtraction.

After the GOP is done demanding things come out, not be ameliorated or added, there will be no bill left that the left can support. Additionally, the GOP must orchestrate a strategy to put Democrats up for election in difficult positions — offering up amendments that the Democrats cannot say no to, but that take away votes from the overall legislation once agreed to.”

Meanwhile, I’m racking and stacking a target list of those “Aye” votes last Saturday, whittling down The 220 ( http://www.redstate.com/hammer2008/2009/11/08/the-220/ ). Suffice to say, 37 are either Freshman or Sophomore congressmen (a few replacements interim, like NY23′s Owen) and another 13 are more entrenched incumbents who could be defeated lacking the 2008 Obama “coat tails”.

My full findings should be up on Friday.

Conference reports are privileged. And in the Senate, a motion to proceed to a conference report is not debatable, although Senators can generally filibuster the conference report itself. [emphasis mine] The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 limits debate on conference reports on budget resolutions and budget reconciliation bills to 10 hours in the Senate, so Senators cannot filibuster those conference reports. (2 U.S.C. § 636, 2 U.S.C. § 641e.)

So, basically, if the Conference Committee dumps Stupak, and adopts a radicalized version of the House bill, it will definitely be filibustered in the Senate, and will never see the light of day…

Liberals have been fighting hard for this since day one. It is the MOST important goal in the entire movement, Everything else comes after it. They are willing to compromise anything to get this passed, We can’t underestimate that. I won’t surprised if they’re willing to get rid of the filibuster for good just so they can pass this. I also worry some “Gang of 12″ type group will emerge that will broker a compromise.

My guess is it will die in the Senate because I don’t see 60 votes, and I think time is the biggest enemy for this, but we need to fight like our lives depend on it.

60 votes is non-negotiable. They can’t get around it.

You are right, the bill is not DOA, not until there is a vote on the motion to proceed or cloture on the bill.

Once to end the filibuster of the motion to proceed and 60 votes again to end the filibuster of the bill.

Senator Lieberman has said that he will not vote to end the filibuster of the bill if there is a public option.

This does not take into account the effect of any pro-life restrictions, any gun amendments, immigration amendments, tax amendments, amendments to restore the Medicare cuts or any other myriad of possibilities.

So, Harry Reid is going trick US?

He needs 60 votes, and Lieberman has said he will not vote to cut off debate — or end the filibuster if there is a public option.

And Senator Nelson has far more conditions, cost, taxes, adding to the deficit, pro-life language and the public option.

So, unless the Dems cut a deal to get Snowe, then they lose the vote — and this assumes that every other Dem will vote with Reid.