So I guess what you’re saying, Mr. Perrin, is that you’re not wanting to be all Warner Todd-Huston-y? If I recall correctly, he had a habit of epic titles

Really though, I think the most moronic thing about this whole snafu with the Stupak amendment is this: These Dems are having to explain how this is not a government takeover of healthcare, while also having to explain how the Stupak amendment prevents federal subsidy of abortions for all policies bought through the federal insurance exchange.

Which then begs the question: Which insurance policies will, hypothetically, be sold in this exchange?

They’re being very careful not to answer that…

This does not appear to be much of a stretch for this woman.

that is why/where all the other HC points are relevant.

They know and admit with the BS lying to sell this garbage we are a Right-Center Nation but keep cramming Leftist Laws down the Nations throat.

It’s all about what they PRETEND (even Obama pulled that crap, Clinton, et al) not what their True Nature Portends (that we warn people of and their records could expose if people actually paid attention)! Too many LAZY Voters! Her occasional Centrist or Conservative votes are Campaign cover!

from an older HC discussion:

HR3200 will drive up costs (so any Public Option Trigger compromise – is Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun)…

We know that any compromise w/o Trigger or Public Option outright, they will be right back 2 years down the road claiming (as costs soar, by their design) that the Public Option must then immediately be adopted claiming the sole fault was/is Republicans having refused for the Public Option not being included as the sole trouble with the “Reforms” and why they are not working as they claimed would (LIES, of course). I know there are plenty thinking, “Fine, they won’t be in power then” but I AM NOT willing to even take that chance – this whole thing MUST BE SCRAPPED!!!

It is just dumb for anyone to entertain any thought that LIBERALS in Govt. will ever allow Costs (and Budgets) to ever go down!!!

from HC Townhalls: Steny Hoyer (D-MD) edition.

(avoiding the HR3200 consequence/fact) More Govt. regulations and paperwork will DRIVE UP not reduce costs and bring us more Lawyers and Office Administrators to deal with it NOT Doctors

more and even more

just as the CARS program hinted: Cash4Clunkers portends the HC fiasco in so many ways… Basic math!! all, of course, to drive us into that Public Option no matter how they achieve it… This Bill cannot be compromised with in any way shape or form — if the Liberals get this then they will just ram through the other pieces in other Legislation over the next few years.

Claire McCackle (yes, I know I spelled it wrong, that is how I pronounce her name) has been on every talkshow going on and on about how they HATE MediGap BECAUSE IT IS PRIVATE and not Govt. Control precursor to their Public Option…..

They all lie about their Liberalness, but accidentally let it show through like the Obama Joe The Plumber moment. The CINO Blue-Dogs keep trying to play this cover with Duplicity votes.

CINOs/PLINOs have been winning, they know it is the ONLY way they were going to get their Power back and that far too many folks would just NOT pay attention once they lied their way back into Power…. Democrats try to run Right so they can rule Left, and folks fall for the CINO campaigns. Yet McCain-ites think not taking them head on regarding real Conservatism is still the way to go…. We, of course, keep warning them and it keeps proving true, yet they resist!

[from Conservative Candidates (the Diary)]
the “Republican Revolution” of the 90′s was mislabeled, it was really the “CONSERVATIVE Revolution” and it brought Republicans to power; likewise, it was the “Reagan Conservative” Revolution, not a Republican Revolution. Many Republicans forgot that along the way. That led the way for CINO Democrats to lie their way back into power, but it was a “Conservative” co-opted (read: they lied about their intent) that voters allowed themselves to be duped into. Republicans need to REMEMBER that! Conservatism did NOT lose Elections, bad Politicians (with R’s beside their name) did!

the Conservative Revolution, or Republican brand resurgence, will ONLY be repeated by Conservatives working within the GOP (and its Conservative Platform) and ensure its Leadership is controlled by fellow Conservatives!

The thing is, pro-aborts will do anything possible to avoid using the word abortion. I’m fine with accepting the term “anti-abortion” (as this correctly describes me) if they will accept the moniker, “pro-abortion”. But, they don’t like that because it puts the focus on what it is they’re supporting, which isn’t too palatable to the average person.

Do you automatically think that someone who describes himself as “pro-gun” is a firearm owner and not someone who may just support an American’s right to own a gun? Do you think that person takes offense to being called “pro-gun”? Would he much prefer to describe themselves as “pro-2nd amendment rights”? That’s idiotic and unnecessary.

The thing is, pro-aborts know they support legalized killing. If they really thought that getting an abortion carried the same moral weight as getting a tooth pulled, there would be no reason for them to hide behind such woefully vague and deceitful descriptors such as “choice”.

If they could use reconciliation, they would be using it now. They cannot.

As one Dem Senator said, it is much easier to find 60 votes than to try reconciliation.

Several very influential Dem Senators are dead set opposed.

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Guns and Immigration, for starters

I think I see a 30 second ad coming…

Spending — do you remember what happened to the doc fix in the U.S. Senate where 13 Dems voted against cloture on the motion to proceed and the bill died INSTANTLY?

The public option — moveon.org vs. the moderates?

Immigration — do you enforce the ban on illegal immigrants getting the benies?

Taxes — the tax structure between the house and senate version is completely and irreconcilably different

I agree with your other points. This is an otherwise insidious plan that would make Jefferson want to vomit. It should be opposed – public option and abortion or not. It just seems like those issues are going to be the show-stoppers here (cost and Constitutionality should be too, but when has that ever stopped a lib?).

Libs have a history of defeating themselves, but I know – I probably shouldn’t underestimate them. If they can write a 2,000 page bill, they could come up with a thousand little loopholes to exploit in order to satisfy their state-funded, baby-killing desires, among other little surprises we’re sure to find later.

The other issue at play here is time. If this carries over into 2010, I don’t know that too many Congressmen are going to want to go into election season with this fresh meat on the ballot. The longer they deliberate on this, the better our chances of killing this plan.

Did you see the link to Hotline and what the left is saying?

One or the other MAYBE, but both? Doubtful

See:

http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/11/pro-abortion-house-dems-solidify-opposition-to-conference-report-with-stupak-amendment/