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		<title>By: 6eorge Jetson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/10/hiatt-obamacare-brings-us-closer-to-bankruptcy/#comment-2860</link>
		<dc:creator>6eorge Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>collecting Social Security, we can console ourselves that &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;technically&lt;sup&gt;*&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; there was no Social Security bankruptcy event.**

&lt;sup&gt;*&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;silver&quot;&gt;Technically, the govt could end all social security payments tomorrow and it wouldn&#039;t be a bankruptcy event, since seniors have no legal claim to the funds until they are distributed.  They do have one hell of a political claim on them, however.  &lt;/font&gt;

&lt;sup&gt;**&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;silver&quot;&gt;Would I like to go back to age 22 and have pay no social security tax to be transferred to the seniors then collecting SS?  Heck, yeah.  Unfortunately, I don&#039;t know how to do that.&lt;/font&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>collecting Social Security, we can console ourselves that <i><b>technically<sup>*</sup></b></i> there was no Social Security bankruptcy event.**</p>
<p><sup>*</sup><font color="silver">Technically, the govt could end all social security payments tomorrow and it wouldn&#8217;t be a bankruptcy event, since seniors have no legal claim to the funds until they are distributed.  They do have one hell of a political claim on them, however.  </font></p>
<p><sup>**</sup><font color="silver">Would I like to go back to age 22 and have pay no social security tax to be transferred to the seniors then collecting SS?  Heck, yeah.  Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t know how to do that.</font></p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in it too

I was wondering if I was being too subtle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in it too</p>
<p>I was wondering if I was being too subtle</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/10/hiatt-obamacare-brings-us-closer-to-bankruptcy/#comment-2845</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>acting like liberals on spending, taxes, abortion, guns and immigration -- all wrapped up in the ObamaCare bill will be toxic to them.

Once people think they are acting like liberals because they are in Washington and not standing up to the left then their chance of re-election drop massively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>acting like liberals on spending, taxes, abortion, guns and immigration &#8212; all wrapped up in the ObamaCare bill will be toxic to them.</p>
<p>Once people think they are acting like liberals because they are in Washington and not standing up to the left then their chance of re-election drop massively.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or a spike in inflation and interest rates

This would be the death of Obama&#039;s re-election chances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or a spike in inflation and interest rates</p>
<p>This would be the death of Obama&#8217;s re-election chances.</p>
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		<title>By: ggross56</title>
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		<dc:creator>ggross56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I maintain in &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.letfreedomringblog.com/?p=6186&#039;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; that Republicans will lose this fight if we continue fighting on the Democrats&#039; battlefield of &#039;deficit neutrality&#039; &amp; CBO scoring.

More people are interested in knowing whether their health insurance premiums will continue going up, whether their taxes will get raised &amp; whether Medicare benefits get cut.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;LET&#039;S FIGHT ON THAT BATTLEFIELD!!!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I maintain in <b><a href='http://www.letfreedomringblog.com/?p=6186'>this post</a></b> that Republicans will lose this fight if we continue fighting on the Democrats&#8217; battlefield of &#8216;deficit neutrality&#8217; &amp; CBO scoring.</p>
<p>More people are interested in knowing whether their health insurance premiums will continue going up, whether their taxes will get raised &amp; whether Medicare benefits get cut.</p>
<p><b><i>LET&#8217;S FIGHT ON THAT BATTLEFIELD!!!</i></b></p>
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		<title>By: Tbone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. The Washington Post really thinks that the Left actually cares about the poor. Now that is rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. The Washington Post really thinks that the Left actually cares about the poor. Now that is rich.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saying as a Governor and now a Senator, blah, blah, blah etc vote for Deeds; however, what&#039;s interesting is that Webb stayed far away from Deeds.  At least from the perspective of NoVA.  Webb and Warner have to be very careful in VA, any vote that swings them anti-gun, firmly pro-choice instead of quasi-life or seen as Big government will put those candidates in deep trouble. 

The Webb versus Allen campaign it never seemed like the two candidates greatly differed on the critical issues like the GWOT or Government spending.  Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saying as a Governor and now a Senator, blah, blah, blah etc vote for Deeds; however, what&#8217;s interesting is that Webb stayed far away from Deeds.  At least from the perspective of NoVA.  Webb and Warner have to be very careful in VA, any vote that swings them anti-gun, firmly pro-choice instead of quasi-life or seen as Big government will put those candidates in deep trouble. </p>
<p>The Webb versus Allen campaign it never seemed like the two candidates greatly differed on the critical issues like the GWOT or Government spending.  Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking Warner was just elected, and it feels like Webb has been around forever .  Man how time goes by so slowly when you are waiting for something bad to end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking Warner was just elected, and it feels like Webb has been around forever .  Man how time goes by so slowly when you are waiting for something bad to end.</p>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking Warner was just elected, and it feels like Webb has been around forever .  Man how time goes by so slowly when you are waiting for something bad to end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking Warner was just elected, and it feels like Webb has been around forever .  Man how time goes by so slowly when you are waiting for something bad to end.</p>
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		<title>By: Third Street</title>
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		<dc:creator>Third Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>n/t</description>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from what I understand was not a hard left Liberal/Progressive, and, that made him popular here in VA as Gov.  I wasn&#039;t here during the most of his reign, as I had left the state for a few years.  Funny that when the push was on for Deeds in the end, and he had the DC crowd all converging on us, Warner had the flu.  He didn&#039;t campaign hard for him even before that, if at all.  The one to watch is Senator Webb.  He may be easier to provoke into a no vote on healthcare, as he is up for re-election in 2010.  You know what just happened with our Governor&#039;s election, and, all the way down ticket to City Councils.  Webb needs to be seriously pursued, hog-tied and shown what the back of a door looks like if he votes with Evil Harry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from what I understand was not a hard left Liberal/Progressive, and, that made him popular here in VA as Gov.  I wasn&#8217;t here during the most of his reign, as I had left the state for a few years.  Funny that when the push was on for Deeds in the end, and he had the DC crowd all converging on us, Warner had the flu.  He didn&#8217;t campaign hard for him even before that, if at all.  The one to watch is Senator Webb.  He may be easier to provoke into a no vote on healthcare, as he is up for re-election in 2010.  You know what just happened with our Governor&#8217;s election, and, all the way down ticket to City Councils.  Webb needs to be seriously pursued, hog-tied and shown what the back of a door looks like if he votes with Evil Harry.</p>
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		<title>By: malbis</title>
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		<dc:creator>malbis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and can see the handwriting on the wall.  For someone with his experience--former Governor of Virginia, former Chair of the Virginia Democrat Party, manager of Doug Wilder&#039;s gubernatorial campaign--that seems to me to be fairly significant.

Hopefully, nobody in power in the current Democrat Party at the national level is going to have brains enough to listen to him.  :-)

&lt;div class=&quot;signature&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;1&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redstate.com/malbis/2009/11/06/why-the-true-unemployment-rate-is-more-than-twice-as-bad-as-102/&quot;&gt;Why the real Unemployment rate is really 21.4%, not 10.2%&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;From the 1940 feature film &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_Breakers&quot;&gt;Ghost Breakers&lt;/a&gt;, starring the late, great, Bob Hope and Paulette Goddard&lt;/em&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Scientist&lt;/strong&gt;: &quot;It’s worse than horrible, because a zombie has no will of his own. You see them sometimes, walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing what they do, not caring.&quot;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Bob Hope&lt;/strong&gt;: &quot;You mean, like Democrats?&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/di</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and can see the handwriting on the wall.  For someone with his experience&#8211;former Governor of Virginia, former Chair of the Virginia Democrat Party, manager of Doug Wilder&#8217;s gubernatorial campaign&#8211;that seems to me to be fairly significant.</p>
<p>Hopefully, nobody in power in the current Democrat Party at the national level is going to have brains enough to listen to him.  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p><font size="1"><a href="http://www.redstate.com/malbis/2009/11/06/why-the-true-unemployment-rate-is-more-than-twice-as-bad-as-102/">Why the real Unemployment rate is really 21.4%, not 10.2%</a></font></p>
<p><em>From the 1940 feature film <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_Breakers">Ghost Breakers</a>, starring the late, great, Bob Hope and Paulette Goddard</em>:</p>
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<div>Scientist: &#8220;It’s worse than horrible, because a zombie has no will of his own. You see them sometimes, walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing what they do, not caring.&#8221;</div>
<div><strong>Bob Hope</strong>: &#8220;You mean, like Democrats?&#8221;&lt;/di</div>
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		<title>By: douglast</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/10/warner-obama-misplayed-health-care-debate/print/

&quot;Freshman Sen. Mark Warner, Virginia Democrat, said Tuesday that President Obama has misplayed his attempt to reform U.S. heath care by focusing on insurance coverage instead of explaining that the current system is headed toward a financial meltdown&quot;

&quot;Mr. Warner also said Tuesday that he, along with some Republicans and fellow Democrats in Congress, think the economy will never fully recover from the recession unless the roughly $1.4 trillion federal deficit is brought under control&quot;</description>
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<p>&#8220;Freshman Sen. Mark Warner, Virginia Democrat, said Tuesday that President Obama has misplayed his attempt to reform U.S. heath care by focusing on insurance coverage instead of explaining that the current system is headed toward a financial meltdown&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. Warner also said Tuesday that he, along with some Republicans and fellow Democrats in Congress, think the economy will never fully recover from the recession unless the roughly $1.4 trillion federal deficit is brought under control&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mikefisk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikefisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...large-scale devaluation of the dollar, or, in lieu of that, massive appreciation of certain currencies (in particular the yuan, as well as other currencies in countries who hold sizable current accounts surpluses with us), are almost inevitable short of Fed intervention.  Your basic open economy macro models would show that.

That being said, unless the goal is a race to the bottom in currency values, further government spending is usually a one-way ticket to currency devaluation (or the government taking a bloodbath on buying back currency).  While it could help jump-start our economy by spurring exports and curtailing imports, I think the average policy-maker would rather not hinge our recovery from recession on the sclerotic economies of Europe...

(Sorry, been going over this stuff in my M.A.-level macro classes lately, so that&#039;s where I&#039;m probably focusing too much on)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;large-scale devaluation of the dollar, or, in lieu of that, massive appreciation of certain currencies (in particular the yuan, as well as other currencies in countries who hold sizable current accounts surpluses with us), are almost inevitable short of Fed intervention.  Your basic open economy macro models would show that.</p>
<p>That being said, unless the goal is a race to the bottom in currency values, further government spending is usually a one-way ticket to currency devaluation (or the government taking a bloodbath on buying back currency).  While it could help jump-start our economy by spurring exports and curtailing imports, I think the average policy-maker would rather not hinge our recovery from recession on the sclerotic economies of Europe&#8230;</p>
<p>(Sorry, been going over this stuff in my M.A.-level macro classes lately, so that&#8217;s where I&#8217;m probably focusing too much on)</p>
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		<title>By: General_Confusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>General_Confusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mission accomplished!  What possible downside could there be?  Next up Cap (the economy) and Trade (your freedoms away)!
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		<title>By: johnt</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, blame Bush, there&#039;s still mileage in that one.
Next, pose the Democrats and federal programs as the answer to various problems created by them and easily avoidable.
Then they can start their push towards Fairness in the media, required by emergencies and combating Hatred, etc.
Finally, continue to encourage media tramps in their smearing and witless name calling.  Combine this with the KO punch, full subsidies for different news sources, print &amp; electronic, that have eased the way for our homegrown totalitarian party.  Of course that will give The O and our degenerate Congress the upper and fully controlling hand over a media that virtually put them in power, but those dopes haven&#039;t figured that out.  
By the time they do it will be too late, Hello Pravda.

Destruction, if you&#039;re a liberal there&#039;s nothing like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, blame Bush, there&#8217;s still mileage in that one.<br />
Next, pose the Democrats and federal programs as the answer to various problems created by them and easily avoidable.<br />
Then they can start their push towards Fairness in the media, required by emergencies and combating Hatred, etc.<br />
Finally, continue to encourage media tramps in their smearing and witless name calling.  Combine this with the KO punch, full subsidies for different news sources, print &amp; electronic, that have eased the way for our homegrown totalitarian party.  Of course that will give The O and our degenerate Congress the upper and fully controlling hand over a media that virtually put them in power, but those dopes haven&#8217;t figured that out.<br />
By the time they do it will be too late, Hello Pravda.</p>
<p>Destruction, if you&#8217;re a liberal there&#8217;s nothing like it.</p>
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		<dc:creator>jeannieology</dc:creator>
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