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		<title>By: vassar</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2318</link>
		<dc:creator>vassar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking heads heads already say a health care bill is dead in the Senate this year, no matter how they toss out in conference. 
   Something&#039;s not right, as why would a congressman hang his career on a bill to pass in the House when it&#039;s already dead in the Senate? 
   Somebody&#039;s wrong somewhere. Either the Senate sword has more steel in it than most allow, or, as we all hope, the big, and FINAL vote will be today. If it fails, look for Nancy to be nudged out. 
   Obama is already all-in. Nancy seems to want to go that way (her delusions of grandeur and grand dame exceed even Obama&#039;s I think), Reid still quakes.
    Like June 6, 1944 it is a day we can only watch, wait and pray.

    If it passes, as suggested some time back on our Least Men Standing site, it may be time for the GOP to freeze them out, and begin singling out &quot;switchers&quot; in the Dems with the mark of Cain, the ice cold 1000 yard stare.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking heads heads already say a health care bill is dead in the Senate this year, no matter how they toss out in conference.<br />
   Something&#8217;s not right, as why would a congressman hang his career on a bill to pass in the House when it&#8217;s already dead in the Senate?<br />
   Somebody&#8217;s wrong somewhere. Either the Senate sword has more steel in it than most allow, or, as we all hope, the big, and FINAL vote will be today. If it fails, look for Nancy to be nudged out.<br />
   Obama is already all-in. Nancy seems to want to go that way (her delusions of grandeur and grand dame exceed even Obama&#8217;s I think), Reid still quakes.<br />
    Like June 6, 1944 it is a day we can only watch, wait and pray.</p>
<p>    If it passes, as suggested some time back on our Least Men Standing site, it may be time for the GOP to freeze them out, and begin singling out &#8220;switchers&#8221; in the Dems with the mark of Cain, the ice cold 1000 yard stare.<br />
Vassar</p>
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		<title>By: LDahl752</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2289</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Mark Levin&#039;s show.  It was hilarious.  A guy called him, saying he lives on Rolaids and beer.  He suggested that a whole bunch of Blue Dogs should switch parties right now so Pelosi could be removed as Speaker.  He said Mark could make it happen if he just encouraged them.  So, Mark said, &quot;Okay, Blue Dogs, switch parties right now.  1 - 2 - 3.&quot;   Then, he chuckled like he does.  Too funny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Mark Levin&#8217;s show.  It was hilarious.  A guy called him, saying he lives on Rolaids and beer.  He suggested that a whole bunch of Blue Dogs should switch parties right now so Pelosi could be removed as Speaker.  He said Mark could make it happen if he just encouraged them.  So, Mark said, &#8220;Okay, Blue Dogs, switch parties right now.  1 &#8211; 2 &#8211; 3.&#8221;   Then, he chuckled like he does.  Too funny!</p>
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		<title>By: revwarheropeterfrancisco</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2285</link>
		<dc:creator>revwarheropeterfrancisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The is Job Security for the Erosionist Lieberal Party.

Just think about it:
Who will be the &quot;experts&quot; that will interpet this mounstrosity to &quot;the masses&quot;?
We will need 1000&#039;s upon 1000&#039;s of arbitrators and interpetrers who will not mend a wound or heal a soul. They will stay on for LIFE because no one else will undertsand what was &quot;shovelled: together in the MedicalManure. Who will they be? The &quot;experts&quot; that wrote the bill. WHo is that? Mostly all Erosionist Lieberals that we will NEVER be able to get rid of without Picthforks and Torches.

KILL THE BILL before it KILLS ALL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The is Job Security for the Erosionist Lieberal Party.</p>
<p>Just think about it:<br />
Who will be the &#8220;experts&#8221; that will interpet this mounstrosity to &#8220;the masses&#8221;?<br />
We will need 1000&#8242;s upon 1000&#8242;s of arbitrators and interpetrers who will not mend a wound or heal a soul. They will stay on for LIFE because no one else will undertsand what was &#8220;shovelled: together in the MedicalManure. Who will they be? The &#8220;experts&#8221; that wrote the bill. WHo is that? Mostly all Erosionist Lieberals that we will NEVER be able to get rid of without Picthforks and Torches.</p>
<p>KILL THE BILL before it KILLS ALL</p>
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		<title>By: distantfires</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2266</link>
		<dc:creator>distantfires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure, but I think President Clinton appointed her to some government position until she &#039;got back on her feet.&#039;

I think votes should have consequences and long for the days when the electorate begins acting independently as in &#039;94&#039; and not let ratings driven commentators on Fox and MSNBC influence them.

Perhaps New Jersey, Virginia and NY 23 are harbingers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure, but I think President Clinton appointed her to some government position until she &#8216;got back on her feet.&#8217;</p>
<p>I think votes should have consequences and long for the days when the electorate begins acting independently as in &#8217;94&#8242; and not let ratings driven commentators on Fox and MSNBC influence them.</p>
<p>Perhaps New Jersey, Virginia and NY 23 are harbingers?</p>
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		<title>By: ceili_dancer</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2265</link>
		<dc:creator>ceili_dancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>n/t</description>
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		<title>By: voxoreason</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2264</link>
		<dc:creator>voxoreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if this has been mentioned, but the clerk of the House web site lists 257 dems, 177 repubs, and 1 vacancy. This last is a link that notes the vacancy is NY District 23 (guess who?), so it&#039;s no longer vacant. 

Given the previous 257-177 split, assuming 40 Blue Dogs with the cojones to switch, if all 40 moved to the right, it would stand at 217-217. Of course, other dems might consider the &quot;rats deserting a sinking ship&quot; option and...

However, with Owens replacing &quot;vacancy,&quot; the dems would have a 1-vote majority, although in case of the previous &quot;tie,&quot; surely we can guess which way the vice-pres would go in fulfilling his constitutional duty (even if he is not really clear on how the Constitution affects him, judging from his faux pas in the veep debate in &#039;08). Then again, in re to the Margolies-Mezvinsky Effect, this would be a virtual high-wire balancing act.

Very creative idea, though. As the thug said in Robocop, &quot;I LIKE it!!!&quot; Don&#039;t see it happening, but very creative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this has been mentioned, but the clerk of the House web site lists 257 dems, 177 repubs, and 1 vacancy. This last is a link that notes the vacancy is NY District 23 (guess who?), so it&#8217;s no longer vacant. </p>
<p>Given the previous 257-177 split, assuming 40 Blue Dogs with the cojones to switch, if all 40 moved to the right, it would stand at 217-217. Of course, other dems might consider the &#8220;rats deserting a sinking ship&#8221; option and&#8230;</p>
<p>However, with Owens replacing &#8220;vacancy,&#8221; the dems would have a 1-vote majority, although in case of the previous &#8220;tie,&#8221; surely we can guess which way the vice-pres would go in fulfilling his constitutional duty (even if he is not really clear on how the Constitution affects him, judging from his faux pas in the veep debate in &#8217;08). Then again, in re to the Margolies-Mezvinsky Effect, this would be a virtual high-wire balancing act.</p>
<p>Very creative idea, though. As the thug said in Robocop, &#8220;I LIKE it!!!&#8221; Don&#8217;t see it happening, but very creative.</p>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2263</link>
		<dc:creator>bs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured you were waiting for me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured you were waiting for me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 6eorge Jetson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2262</link>
		<dc:creator>6eorge Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A slim Republican majority isn&#039;t the critical mass necessary to overturn those four once enacted.  But conservatism may very well have the critical mass today to stop those from being enacted.

I will be relieved if Blue Dogs co-opt the conservative agenda to keep their jobs in 2010.  Gridlock ain&#039;t so bad while living under ZeroCare&#8482;, Cap on Trade, Card Check, and Net Neutered would be awful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A slim Republican majority isn&#8217;t the critical mass necessary to overturn those four once enacted.  But conservatism may very well have the critical mass today to stop those from being enacted.</p>
<p>I will be relieved if Blue Dogs co-opt the conservative agenda to keep their jobs in 2010.  Gridlock ain&#8217;t so bad while living under ZeroCare&trade;, Cap on Trade, Card Check, and Net Neutered would be awful.</p>
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		<title>By: dclamage</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2260</link>
		<dc:creator>dclamage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bunch of cowards.

Any rep who can&#039;t stand up to Pelosi and vote their principles, conscience and their constituents doesn&#039;t deserve to be our rep.

But if they run and hide, and vote NO for this horrendous legislation that allows the State to claim it owns my body or forces me to pay tribute, then we may just keep them around a littl while longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bunch of cowards.</p>
<p>Any rep who can&#8217;t stand up to Pelosi and vote their principles, conscience and their constituents doesn&#8217;t deserve to be our rep.</p>
<p>But if they run and hide, and vote NO for this horrendous legislation that allows the State to claim it owns my body or forces me to pay tribute, then we may just keep them around a littl while longer.</p>
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		<title>By: revwarheropeterfrancisco</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2259</link>
		<dc:creator>revwarheropeterfrancisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to dust off Zell Miller.  Fox News, Rush etc should track him down and interview him.  He should have been invited to that Capitol yesterday.

Maybe you guy can Treack him down, dust him off and bring him back to Hero Status, America needs ZELL MILLER and his spitballs to cripple the EROSIONIST PARTY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to dust off Zell Miller.  Fox News, Rush etc should track him down and interview him.  He should have been invited to that Capitol yesterday.</p>
<p>Maybe you guy can Treack him down, dust him off and bring him back to Hero Status, America needs ZELL MILLER and his spitballs to cripple the EROSIONIST PARTY.</p>
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		<title>By: dudette</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2258</link>
		<dc:creator>dudette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because of demographics of the district-----doesnt he have to wait to be sworn in after the holidays?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because of demographics of the district&#8212;&#8211;doesnt he have to wait to be sworn in after the holidays?</p>
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		<title>By: kyle8</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2257</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deathcare, Crap and Tax, card check, and net neutrality.

If we can either outright kill those or water them down to nothing, then in about one year we will have many more opponents in both houses and they will get nothing done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deathcare, Crap and Tax, card check, and net neutrality.</p>
<p>If we can either outright kill those or water them down to nothing, then in about one year we will have many more opponents in both houses and they will get nothing done.</p>
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		<title>By: california_red</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2256</link>
		<dc:creator>california_red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is so excited to get to Washington to vote for the Pelosi healthcare bill.  I saw an article today where he said his defeated opponent ran on the &quot;TeaBagger&quot; agenda and that what his district wanted was big government solutions.  I hope we see the  Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky effect here next fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is so excited to get to Washington to vote for the Pelosi healthcare bill.  I saw an article today where he said his defeated opponent ran on the &#8220;TeaBagger&#8221; agenda and that what his district wanted was big government solutions.  I hope we see the  Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky effect here next fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2255</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Speaker is still more than 10 votes short, and no, I do not think it will pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Speaker is still more than 10 votes short, and no, I do not think it will pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Adjoran</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2254</link>
		<dc:creator>Adjoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>most of the &quot;Blue Dogs&quot; aren&#039;t conservatives in any respect these days.  When the group was first formed, many were, and many more were moderately conservative and strong on security issues.  But those early classes ended up either switching parties, losing, or retiring.

Those claiming &quot;Blue Dog&quot; status now - and there are almost 100 of them in this Congress, which should tell you right away there&#039;s nothing conservative involved - are liberals who don&#039;t quite foam at the mouths representing conservative-leaning constituencies.  

Given the history and reputation of &quot;Blue Dogs&quot; as conservative Democrats who were independent of the liberal party leadership, it&#039;s a great label to be able to sport, especially when it doesn&#039;t require any particular measure of conservative voting at all anymore.

So don&#039;t be so anxious to invite these guys to switch, which would cede them the seat without cleansing their liberal ways.  

My gut feeling is that the current class of &quot;Blue Dogs&quot; includes few heroes.  Most of these will knuckle under to Comrade Nancy, if not for her reputation for ruthless vengeance then in awe of her truly frightening countenance, frozen for posterity in its most horrible contortion by leftist plastic surgeons.  Those who don&#039;t will only rebel after having arranged beforehand either safe passage to the other side of the aisle or witness protection.

The good news is that this means a good many of them will go down of their own weight in 2010.  The bad news is they can do a lot of permanent damage between now and then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>most of the &#8220;Blue Dogs&#8221; aren&#8217;t conservatives in any respect these days.  When the group was first formed, many were, and many more were moderately conservative and strong on security issues.  But those early classes ended up either switching parties, losing, or retiring.</p>
<p>Those claiming &#8220;Blue Dog&#8221; status now &#8211; and there are almost 100 of them in this Congress, which should tell you right away there&#8217;s nothing conservative involved &#8211; are liberals who don&#8217;t quite foam at the mouths representing conservative-leaning constituencies.  </p>
<p>Given the history and reputation of &#8220;Blue Dogs&#8221; as conservative Democrats who were independent of the liberal party leadership, it&#8217;s a great label to be able to sport, especially when it doesn&#8217;t require any particular measure of conservative voting at all anymore.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t be so anxious to invite these guys to switch, which would cede them the seat without cleansing their liberal ways.  </p>
<p>My gut feeling is that the current class of &#8220;Blue Dogs&#8221; includes few heroes.  Most of these will knuckle under to Comrade Nancy, if not for her reputation for ruthless vengeance then in awe of her truly frightening countenance, frozen for posterity in its most horrible contortion by leftist plastic surgeons.  Those who don&#8217;t will only rebel after having arranged beforehand either safe passage to the other side of the aisle or witness protection.</p>
<p>The good news is that this means a good many of them will go down of their own weight in 2010.  The bad news is they can do a lot of permanent damage between now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: joayn</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2253</link>
		<dc:creator>joayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember the cap and tax bill?  Members were hiding from her, only to be cornered before the vote.  They were absolutely terrified of her.

I agree with DerKrieger, except I would go on FOX and state that I would not lie to the American people or my constituents by supporting this bill, and because of the pressure to do so, I would be changing parties as well as voting no.  I&#039;d also throw in the line that I wasn&#039;t leaving the Democrat party, it left me.

I heart RR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the cap and tax bill?  Members were hiding from her, only to be cornered before the vote.  They were absolutely terrified of her.</p>
<p>I agree with DerKrieger, except I would go on FOX and state that I would not lie to the American people or my constituents by supporting this bill, and because of the pressure to do so, I would be changing parties as well as voting no.  I&#8217;d also throw in the line that I wasn&#8217;t leaving the Democrat party, it left me.</p>
<p>I heart RR.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeG</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2252</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they approached the Republican leadership and said &quot;vote for one of us&quot; as speaker of the house, the Republicans could play along.  That would kick out Nancy from the speakership too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they approached the Republican leadership and said &#8220;vote for one of us&#8221; as speaker of the house, the Republicans could play along.  That would kick out Nancy from the speakership too.</p>
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		<title>By: joayn</title>
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		<dc:creator>joayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one gazillion percent.</description>
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		<title>By: joayn</title>
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		<dc:creator>joayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that Blue Dogs would hold a press conference and announce a party change.  All of them changing would be too much to ask, so how about 20?  I would love to see Nancy&#039;s head explode like a grenade hit it.

Seriously, as I was watching Michelle Bachman today, I thought if just one Blue Dog walked up to the microphone ...

Can you imagine the change in dynamics if any of them changed?  Oooh, I&#039;m feeling tingles up my leg!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that Blue Dogs would hold a press conference and announce a party change.  All of them changing would be too much to ask, so how about 20?  I would love to see Nancy&#8217;s head explode like a grenade hit it.</p>
<p>Seriously, as I was watching Michelle Bachman today, I thought if just one Blue Dog walked up to the microphone &#8230;</p>
<p>Can you imagine the change in dynamics if any of them changed?  Oooh, I&#8217;m feeling tingles up my leg!</p>
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		<title>By: DerKrieger</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/05/the-coming-margolies-mezvinsky-effect/#comment-2249</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...many of these Blue Dogs to switch parties? That would cripple Pelosi now rather than in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;many of these Blue Dogs to switch parties? That would cripple Pelosi now rather than in 2010.</p>
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