Comments on: The Broken Political Equation

By: Steph C

Steph C — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:59:54 +0000

During the primaries she kind of got more right than wrong but once the primaries were over and McCain was the candidate and Palin the VP candidate she reeled leftward and kind of got stuck there. I think she’s of the same mind as the liberals; that we’ll forget what she did and start listening to her again.

No apologies, no admission that she might have been wrong about a lot of things, just a reliance on the forgetfulness of the base. However, she’s looking at the wrong base. Elephants don’t forget.

By: Steph C

Steph C — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:56:50 +0000

LOL

By: Read Chesterton

Read Chesterton — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:52:59 +0000

Think of St. Paul’s discourse to the Greeks on their “Unknown God.” Paul trumped their rationale with his Reason.

By: The_Gadfly

The_Gadfly — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:58:59 +0000

given the current state of affairs, should Republicans vote against the motion to proceed?

Initially I was thinking the sooner we put a stake through this monster, the better. But in reflecting upon a few things:

*They will still need a cloture vote to vote on the bill itself after it gets to the floor
*Joe Lieberman has said he will vote to proceed, but not to close debate after it starts
*Debating amendments to the bill will put Dems on the official record

I have started to wonder if we should follow Lieberman’s lead? Let them fall into the trap of exposing their hypocrisy to the American people, then maybe get both the House and the Senate back. Of course if we do that, we might actually manage to temper The Big 0 enough so he wins a second election a la Bill Clinton.

Decisions, decisions….

By: The_Gadfly

The_Gadfly — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:49:07 +0000

The problem is, she’s in the stuff toward the middle at the top of the pot, while some of us who didn’t side with her are stuck in the same pot rather closer to the heat source.

By: autiger89

autiger89 — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:37:32 +0000

Remember that Democrats always do two things: 1) claim their opponents are doing something they are already doing, and 2) do something they claim their opponents have already done. Both are basically methods of rationalizing bad behavior. Moral relativism, anyone?

Also remember that they claimed Bush was taking away civil liberties.

Also remember that they claimed Bush was resposible (maybe even facilitating) the terrorist attacks.

Also remember that they claimed Bush stole the 2000 election.

Your comment “I am beginning to believe they will seize upon some issue to declare [martial] law and prevent the American public from voting them out of office.” is not implausible.

There is nothing that Democrats won’t do to retain the power they currently hold.

By: bs

bs — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:32:08 +0000

By: Dan Perrin

Dan Perrin — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:06:22 +0000

this post may explain the irrationality in more detail:

http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/08/16/the-democrats-irrational-political-behavior-on-health-care/

By: Dan Perrin

Dan Perrin — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:02:12 +0000

it is not possible, politically speaking

By: Dan Perrin

Dan Perrin — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:00:42 +0000

and when the dollar goes — printing a trillion a year cannot last forever — then darkness will be upon this nation

By: Dan Perrin

Dan Perrin — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:59:18 +0000

not easy to repeal or dismantle

By: apollothree

apollothree — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:30:50 +0000

Wonderful analogy. Sad, but unfortunately true.

By: Conquistadora

Conquistadora — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:00:08 +0000

In my experience, when some situation seems illogical to me based on the data I have, I have learned that others have additional data that I don’t.
I have been trying to understand why the Democrats seem so determined to push their radical agenda in the face of very vocal opposition from the electorate. Don’t they understand what is about to happen to them in the 2010 elections? Past history proves that in the end, most Congress Critters can be expected to vote in their own self-interest – why are so many seemingly willing to suffer defeat next year?
My conclusion is that they don’t think that is going to happen because they have a plan to suspend elections next year. With the President’s grab to take over the private sector (banks, insurance, automobiles, healthcare) and “Let no good crisis go to waste” mentality, I am beginning to believe they will seize upon some issue to declare marshal law and prevent the American public from voting them out of office. Therefore, they think can safely ram these changes down our throats without fearing the election consequences.

By: IJB

IJB — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:51:10 +0000

This program will get knee-capped before they even get that far.

It takes years to implement a program of this scope, and the GOP will be able to (and will have the popular support to) dismantle it long-before it gets up to anywhere near full-steam. (There will be massive bureaucracy and inefficiency setting up something this massively bureaucratic and inefficient!)

Anyway, an unpopular program is much easier to kill. And this one will be beaucoup de unpopular…

By: bs

bs — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:14:22 +0000

Once they’ve dismantled private sector medical insurance, you can’t just throw it back together again that quickly. If the public option is allowed to be established, it will kill private health insurance virtually overnight. And once it’s gone, it will take years to re-establish.

A President can’t just eliminate a program like that with a stroke of the pen. Furthermore, I anticipate that this new entitlement will be like the others – once it’s in place, the populace will become addicted to this new governmental freebie and it may become as unpopular to UN-do it as it seems to be (at least on the right) to establish it right now.

By: bs

bs — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:08:41 +0000

I just read it yesterday.

It’s right here

Peggy has been getting more right than wrong of late. It’s a pleasant shift for her.

By: anotherindyfilmguy

anotherindyfilmguy — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:55:55 +0000

If they manage to get everything they want how do they retain power?

Through wielding the power they’ve accumulated/rigging elections and telling the law enforcement investigators to stop investigating/drop any charges, having the judges you appoint dismiss all charges etc…

If the right loses when all the chips are on the line all I can say ids welcome to the third world America…

Since many on the right has a recent history caving to the left to “be nice/get along to go along” etc the prospects are a bit daunting unless the few who are in the critical places can nut up and derail this insanity.

By: Steph C

Steph C — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:53:28 +0000

Well, she’s one of them. I remember well, how they whined and cried over Romney and eviscerated Palin from the right and then whined and cried because people stopped listening to them after that.

She reaped what she sewed. Now she can put it all in a stock pot and stew on it.

By: anotherindyfilmguy

anotherindyfilmguy — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:51:07 +0000

if their intent is to destabilize and destroy America…

IMO this is the high point of the 1960′s/70′s radicals trying to work to destroy the system from within. If we can defeat through filibuster the further attempts to bankrupt the dollar/takeover major economic sectors we stand a chance of seeing a shift in power over the next two elections to repeal and rest the damage already done and move on to better times. If not then we stand to see the dollar go to essentially a nil value and find ourselves in a very bad way that might only be resolved by either force or by accepting the plunge into darkness.

By: IJB

IJB — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:27:13 +0000

…And that is that it will be easy, *easy*, to sabotage a program this unpopular, once it passes.

There will be a zillion ways to sabotage, remake and kill this program, if it manages to pass. And, facts are facts – this program will become even more unpopular *if it passes* than if it doesn’t (where, in the Left’s mind, it will become this mythical “final solution” to all of the nation’s problems if it ends up dying on the vine).

A lot on the Right are cocooning themselves that if this passes, it’ll be just like the Great Society and SS in that it will be permanent – the difference, those programs were *massively popular*. This program is MASSIVELY UNPOPULAR, in ways that I doubt pollsters have even managed to quantify yet.

But, ultimately, I’m with you: I think there are far too many cowards in the Democrat’s caucus – people who love their jobs and perks way more than they love the insane ideology of the nutroot and college Left, and that ultimately this bill will be defeated (likely in *both* Houses).

What’s about to happen on Tuesday is just going to make that outcome even more likely…