Comments on: Neither Reid nor Pelosi have the Votes

By: proudgop

proudgop — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:06:25 +0000

Serious, tomorrow Pelosi is going to unveil the House version of the health bill and you have to think she has the votes so what do House Republicans do to stop this? Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid , D- Nev. , is pushing a government health insurance plan that would allow states to “opt out.” Pelosi, D- Calif. , is expected to support a public option with no such escape hatch.

For all the talk of using complaining I have yet to hear what House or Senate Republicans plan to do STOP this! What if Senate Dems use reconciliation which only requires 50 votes what do we do? Is there anything we can do?

By: redpens

redpens — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:20:55 +0000

and I like it. The repressives(progressives) want a public option, the moderates don’t, and they’re fighting each other. I hope their party fails.

By: roscopico

roscopico — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:40:51 +0000

Or is it the “Global Warming™”?

By: Scope

Scope — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:27:18 +0000

You have joined the ranks of the “why fight it, we can’t do anything about it crowd.” Do you really not believe that should this be passed, the American people will lay down and just accept it? I don’t think so. Actually, I do believe that the Communists will do all they can to foist this upon us, but, that will unfortunately be the real tipping point with those that will never accept communism in America. I really really do believe that not enough have been dumded down enough to wear the uniform, sing praises to a communit ruler, and will give everything they have to the government. No way, no how. The communists will not succeed now or ever in America.

By: farstar99

farstar99 — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:40:45 +0000

This crop of Democrats is the most arrogant ever.

They truly believe they can ram this down our throats AND get re-elected.

The ones who aren’t fooled, the ideologues, are so communist in their training that they will sacrifice themselves to bring America down, like the homicide bombers they so admire.

Government-run health care gets them their communist America. It worked everywhere else the communists have used it, so they’re convinced it will work here, and they’re right.

This issue is the pyre.
There are three possible outcomes:
1. The flames keep the enemy out and we’re saved;
2. The enemy burns on it, we’re doomed and they eventually gain permanent power, or;
3. The enemy burns on the pyre to no avail. They and their socialist power grab fail completely and they fall from power, exposed for what they are.

I don’t think they’re smart enough to choke at this late date, so they’re throwing themselves on the fire. They’re going to do everything and anything to force this fascist scheme on us.

By: bs

bs — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:11:27 +0000

The easy answer is “reconciliation”. I’ve yet to see a compelling case against it.

And lest you think they wouldn’t dare try it because of retribution from the GOP, don’t believe it. The Republicans don’t have the balls to fight back, and the Dems know it.

By: bs

bs — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:06:48 +0000

right, EPU?

I’m in bk’s corner on it (and no, we aren’t sock puppets, despite the similarity in our handles). I am more convinced of it on the Senate side than the House. Reid will find a way to get 60 votes. I think the House is a little more tenuous – the “constituent touch” for those folks is a little more personal, so the House members may be a little more sensitive to what the folks back home are saying. But as I have contended repeatedly, I think Senators and House members forget about things like hostile town hall meetings once back in the cocoon of DC.

(And I don’t bet).

By: crosley

crosley — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:39:07 +0000

My worry in the Senate is all the parliamentry tricks that can be played.

I could see ALL the Dems in the Senate vote to end cloture in order to get over the 60 mark, then the leadership allows 10 to vote against the actual bill. The Senators then get to tell their constituents that they voted against ObamaCare. The problem is, there’s more than 10 Democrat Senators who’s career would likely end with a vote like that.

I I were a career politician, I wouldn’t want my name anywhere near whatever ObamaCare ends up being, especially if I were from a state that McCain won by 20 points. (and that’s when Obama was a lot more popular than he is right now)

I have a hard time believing the Dems don’t pass some health care bill, like a Medicaid on steroids, but the left-wing’s insistence on a public option could mean they end up passing absolutely nothing.

By: Third Street

Third Street — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:31:39 +0000

That doesn’t leave much room for Lieberman supporting “health reform” no matter how it’s packaged.

By: Dan Perrin

Dan Perrin — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:37:58 +0000

Keep silent, as he has — ever since Rio?

By: Dan Perrin

Dan Perrin — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:37:04 +0000

– fun to watch

By: bk

bk — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:23:48 +0000

but I see three possibilities:
1) There is no health care reform bill passed at all.
2) There is one passed that includes a public option in some form or fashion.
3) There is one passed that does include anything that can be twisted into a public option.

I can’t imagine the Dems will let #1 happen. If you feel that’s a fair assumption, then the question is whether #3 is more likely than #2. I believe #2 is more likely than #3, but others obviously feel the opposite.

By: pythandmoan

pythandmoan — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:17:48 +0000

when one Charles E. Schumer, as newly minted head of the DSCC, was on the entire Sunday morning circuit high-fiving himself for the coalition he built into a majority. Look at ‘em now. Moderates actually acting…moderate, and gumming up the whole machine.

By: Richard Mullins

Richard Mullins — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:08:34 +0000

so we want them to turn on each other. It’s sort of a forgone conclusion.

By: Scope

Scope — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:01:53 +0000

Most of them got beaten bloody when they had their town halls in August. They can’t dismiss the size of the crowds attending Tea Parties, as much as the Madam says they were nothing, and the polls that keep dropping in support for Government Run Healthcare. The latest poll showing that only 20% consider themselves Liberal, as opposed to 40% who call themselves conservative was significant. If we can get Republican/Conservative wins in the races coming next week, the hand writing is on the wall for Obamacare. Not all Dems are willing to commit political suicide. They either take their chances of winning re-election, because they voted as their constituients desired, despite Pelosi & Reid threats that they won’t have DNC support, or they genuflect at the Pelosi and Reid alter. In that case, they might as well just buy the rope, tie the knot in the noose, and wait for the election day shove. Not a good time to be a Democrat, as if there ever was one.

By: Scope

Scope — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:37:32 +0000

and as to a bet bet. Is that the same thing as it’s not rape rape?

By: Paul_In_Houston

Paul_In_Houston — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:31:56 +0000

Hey! I’m cool with it.
English IS an evolving language, after all.

Just look at what liberals do with it.

By: Paul_In_Houston

Paul_In_Houston — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:28:52 +0000

That reporter probably knew more about the bill than Reid KNEW?

By: bk

bk — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:22:41 +0000

But I do think “something” will pass, and that it will include “something” that becomes a public option, be it a trigger or an opt-out or an opt-in or whatever name they come up with after rigorous focus group testing of a smorgasbord of terms.

By: Dan Perrin

Dan Perrin — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:21:56 +0000

but there are other possibles too on the Dem side to vote against cloture.