Comments on: Fun with Honest Budgeting http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/ Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:56:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: makemyday http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2019 makemyday Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:44:49 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2019 on Detroit, once the Arsenal of Democracy and now an empty shell of itself. I use Detoirt as a example in discussions with lefties as a model "Democrat run entity". Hard to argue the point that we are better off with democrats in charge with that vision. Michigan un-employment is near 16% and climbing and Detroit is a huge chunk of that number. Republicans and conservatives (I keep the two separate) have a great opportunity in Michigan in 2010 starting with the governor where two Republicans are polling near double digit leads over the leading democrat, Cherry. on Detroit, once the Arsenal of Democracy and now an empty shell of itself. I use Detoirt as a example in discussions with lefties as a model “Democrat run entity”. Hard to argue the point that we are better off with democrats in charge with that vision. Michigan un-employment is near 16% and climbing and Detroit is a huge chunk of that number. Republicans and conservatives (I keep the two separate) have a great opportunity in Michigan in 2010 starting with the governor where two Republicans are polling near double digit leads over the leading democrat, Cherry.

]]> By: Ausonius http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2014 Ausonius Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:32:56 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2014 "Spencer Abraham is who she beat, a pretty good conservative." The danger of democracy is that sometimes it is dumb. Like last year. Of course, maybe many of the conservatives have left Michigan, so only Dems are left to fight among themselves for the few remaining entrails. Like in Detroit. Another case for eliminating the direct election of senators, but we all have our fantasies! “Spencer Abraham is who she beat, a pretty good conservative.”

The danger of democracy is that sometimes it is dumb.

Like last year.

Of course, maybe many of the conservatives have left Michigan, so only Dems are left to fight among themselves for the few remaining entrails.

Like in Detroit.

Another case for eliminating the direct election of senators, but we all have our fantasies!

]]> By: illinoisconservative http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2013 illinoisconservative Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:48:58 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2013 Does anyone else besides me think we have hit upon a really great rallying cry to oppose this government boondoggle they call health care reform? Not One Dime! Not One Dime! I can hear it now.. being shouted at town halls throughout the nation. We need to really hit them hard on this. We have to show how duplicitous Obama is. He likes to pretend he's all hands-off on health care, but he's behind this.. make no mistake. They simply cannot fund healthcare without increasing the debt massively. We cannot let them pull this crap.. everything needs to be on the table as part of one healthcare plan and let the CBO rate that! Not One Dime! Not One Dime! Not One Dime! Not One Dime! Does anyone else besides me think we have hit upon a really great rallying cry to oppose this government boondoggle they call health care reform?

Not One Dime!
Not One Dime!

I can hear it now.. being shouted at town halls throughout the nation.

We need to really hit them hard on this. We have to show how duplicitous Obama is. He likes to pretend he’s all hands-off on health care, but he’s behind this.. make no mistake. They simply cannot fund healthcare without increasing the debt massively. We cannot let them pull this crap.. everything needs to be on the table as part of one healthcare plan and let the CBO rate that!

Not One Dime!
Not One Dime!

Not One Dime!
Not One Dime!

]]> By: Dan Perrin http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2011 Dan Perrin Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:53:16 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2011 lol lol

]]> By: Republican_Michigander http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2010 Republican_Michigander Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:26:16 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2010 My very first non-primary election, I voted against her for Congress. Then I voted against her for Senate after than. Then six years later I did the same thing, and I plan on voting against her in 2012 as well. She's an idiot. The only good thing was that Mike Rogers took her spot in Congress. My very first non-primary election, I voted against her for Congress. Then I voted against her for Senate after than. Then six years later I did the same thing, and I plan on voting against her in 2012 as well.

She’s an idiot. The only good thing was that Mike Rogers took her spot in Congress.

]]> By: gekster http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2009 gekster Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:48:28 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2009 By: gekster http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2008 gekster Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:47:22 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2008 I am proud to announce that we have banned drilling in the Great Lakes for ever. I am proud to announce that we have banned drilling in the Great Lakes for ever.

]]> By: makemyday http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2007 makemyday Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:38:47 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2007 Here is her work history: Stabenow, Debbie See Deborah Ann Stabenow Stabenow, Deborah Ann (b. 1950) — also known as Debbie Stabenow — of Lansing, Ingham County, Mich.; East Lansing, Ingham County, Mich. Born in Gladwin, Gladwin County, Mich., April 29, 1950. Democrat. Social worker; member of Michigan state house of representatives 58th District, 1979-90; member of Michigan state senate 24th District, 1991-94; candidate in primary for Governor of Michigan, 1994; candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Michigan, 1994; delegate to Democratic National Convention from Michigan, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008; U.S. Representative from Michigan 8th District, 1997-2001; U.S. Senator from Michigan, 2001-; member of Democratic National Committee from Michigan, 2008. Female. Methodist. Still living as of 2009. See also: congressional biography; votes in Congress from the Washington Post; NNDB dossier; Internet Movie Database profile. Both histories were from Politicalgraveyard.com Here is her work history:

Stabenow, Debbie See Deborah Ann Stabenow
Stabenow, Deborah Ann (b. 1950) — also known as Debbie Stabenow — of Lansing, Ingham County, Mich.; East Lansing, Ingham County, Mich. Born in Gladwin, Gladwin County, Mich., April 29, 1950. Democrat. Social worker; member of Michigan state house of representatives 58th District, 1979-90; member of Michigan state senate 24th District, 1991-94; candidate in primary for Governor of Michigan, 1994; candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Michigan, 1994; delegate to Democratic National Convention from Michigan, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008; U.S. Representative from Michigan 8th District, 1997-2001; U.S. Senator from Michigan, 2001-; member of Democratic National Committee from Michigan, 2008. Female. Methodist. Still living as of 2009.
See also: congressional biography; votes in Congress from the Washington Post; NNDB dossier; Internet Movie Database profile.

Both histories were from Politicalgraveyard.com

]]> By: makemyday http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2006 makemyday Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:31:04 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2006 is who she beat, a pretty good conservative: Abraham, Edward Spencer (b. 1952) — also known as Spencer Abraham — of East Lansing, Ingham County, Mich.; Auburn Hills, Oakland County, Mich. Born in East Lansing, Ingham County, Mich., June 12, 1952. Son of Juliette Elizabeth Abraham and Eddie Joseph Abraham. Republican. Lawyer; Michigan Republican state chair, 1983-90; deputy chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle, 1990-91; U.S. Senator from Michigan, 1995-2001; defeated, 2000; delegate to Republican National Convention from Michigan, 2000; candidate for Presidential Elector for Michigan, 2000; U.S. Secretary of Energy, 2001-. Lebanese ancestry. Member, Federalist Society. Still living as of 2009. See also: congressional biography; votes in Congress from the Washington Post; Wikipedia article; NNDB dossier; Internet Movie Database profile. is who she beat, a pretty good conservative:

Abraham, Edward Spencer (b. 1952) — also known as Spencer Abraham — of East Lansing, Ingham County, Mich.; Auburn Hills, Oakland County, Mich. Born in East Lansing, Ingham County, Mich., June 12, 1952. Son of Juliette Elizabeth Abraham and Eddie Joseph Abraham. Republican. Lawyer; Michigan Republican state chair, 1983-90; deputy chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle, 1990-91; U.S. Senator from Michigan, 1995-2001; defeated, 2000; delegate to Republican National Convention from Michigan, 2000; candidate for Presidential Elector for Michigan, 2000; U.S. Secretary of Energy, 2001-. Lebanese ancestry. Member, Federalist Society. Still living as of 2009.
See also: congressional biography; votes in Congress from the Washington Post; Wikipedia article; NNDB dossier; Internet Movie Database profile.

]]> By: antisocial http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2005 antisocial Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:27:54 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2005 The problem is with people who challenge her politically. The perception is the key. Perhaps her challengers can't get their message out effectively. Maybe I am wrong but I refuse to believe most people are stupid. It's just that not everybody is as involved in politics as some are. They are so busy in their daily lives that they don't pay enough attention. They base their judgment on the limited knowledge that they get during campaigns. If you were not so involved would you be as informed? The problem is with people who challenge her politically. The perception is the key. Perhaps her challengers can’t get their message out effectively.

Maybe I am wrong but I refuse to believe most people are stupid. It’s just that not everybody is as involved in politics as some are. They are so busy in their daily lives that they don’t pay enough attention. They base their judgment on the limited knowledge that they get during campaigns.

If you were not so involved would you be as informed?

]]> By: banzaibob http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2004 banzaibob Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:16:36 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2004 What does that say about the people who keep on voting for her? What does that say about the people who keep on voting for her?

]]> By: Ausonius http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2003 Ausonius Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:09:25 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2003 Who was her Republican opponent? I lived in Toledo right across the border for 30 years and heard the gruesome nature of Michigan politics very often: To call Stabenow a cow, however, is an insult to our bovine friends! They at least are useful! Who was her Republican opponent?

I lived in Toledo right across the border for 30 years and heard the gruesome nature of Michigan politics very often: To call Stabenow a cow, however, is an insult to our bovine friends!

They at least are useful!

]]> By: The_Gadfly http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2002 The_Gadfly Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:08:15 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2002 the big <b>THANK YOU</b> for calling. Technically they could call the bill up at any point or vote on another cloture motion, but Reid was doing a very very impressive imitation of Baghdad Bob today. News clip I saw said he only brought it to the floor because the AMA had assured him of a number of Republican votes for the bill and he was sure he'd win the vote. Instead he not only had unified opposition, he had 3 of "his" people voting against it. If this had been the actual Senate healthcare bill, it would have been defeated for the congressional calendar year. This was a huge victory. The AMA won't support the unified healthcare reform proposal unless the Medicare reimbursement rates are set high enough so doctors aren't losing money on the procedures. Putting those changes into the bill breaks it. They either wind up explicitly making even bigger tax increases or the CBO scores it as a budget buster. the big THANK YOU for calling.

Technically they could call the bill up at any point or vote on another cloture motion, but Reid was doing a very very impressive imitation of Baghdad Bob today. News clip I saw said he only brought it to the floor because the AMA had assured him of a number of Republican votes for the bill and he was sure he’d win the vote. Instead he not only had unified opposition, he had 3 of “his” people voting against it. If this had been the actual Senate healthcare bill, it would have been defeated for the congressional calendar year. This was a huge victory. The AMA won’t support the unified healthcare reform proposal unless the Medicare reimbursement rates are set high enough so doctors aren’t losing money on the procedures. Putting those changes into the bill breaks it. They either wind up explicitly making even bigger tax increases or the CBO scores it as a budget buster.

]]> By: DerKrieger http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2001 DerKrieger Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:03:42 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2001 ...that many elites were educated beyond their intelligence. Stabenow is empowered beyond her competence. …that many elites were educated beyond their intelligence.

Stabenow is empowered beyond her competence.

]]> By: makemyday http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-2000 makemyday Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:51:06 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-2000 I'm from Michigan and she is on my list. I send emails to her weekly and get her boiler plate answers to everything. I vote against her, I communicate with her and I am done with being passive and want to go viral. Somebody in the SW Oakland county contact me so that I can assist in her demise. I’m from Michigan and she is on my list. I send emails to her weekly and get her boiler plate answers to everything. I vote against her, I communicate with her and I am done with being passive and want to go viral. Somebody in the SW Oakland county contact me so that I can assist in her demise.

]]> By: Dan Perrin http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-1999 Dan Perrin Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:49:28 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-1999 about the view of Senator Stabenow about the view of Senator Stabenow

]]> By: Dan Perrin http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-1998 Dan Perrin Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:48:25 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-1998 will end up being the equivalent of President Clinton holding up his pen at the joint session of Congress -- you know, his I will veto it speech will end up being the equivalent of President Clinton holding up his pen at the joint session of Congress — you know, his I will veto it speech

]]> By: Dan Perrin http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-1997 Dan Perrin Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:46:31 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-1997 in the shed in the shed

]]> By: Dan Perrin http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-1996 Dan Perrin Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:45:53 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-1996 n/t n/t

]]> By: Dan Perrin http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/21/fun-with-honest-budgeting/#comment-1995 Dan Perrin Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:45:10 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1333#comment-1995 and thanks for calling! and thanks for calling!

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