Comments on: Politico Outs the Secret Plan to Pass ObamaCare

By: Jack_Savage

Jack_Savage — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:51:21 +0000

And I said you were a liar. You need to asnwer the charge.

By: redneck_hippie

redneck_hippie — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:11:53 +0000

In general, the people who don’t need it are the ones who would be for its extinction. That is a minority of people would support fiscal reality. These entitlements will only go away once the bills are no longer paid. And single payer is the quickest way to that end. The entitlements were dying at an accelerating pace. Single payer would clear the field when other peoples’ money finally runs out. Of course, by then there would be no private sector left and we would officially be in the hands of one party rule as well.

By: redneck_hippie

redneck_hippie — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:57:38 +0000

without being interrupted by a moron, sometimes. I apologize for inserting the N word. Your point, dd, is well taken. Had I known it would start a gargantuan threadjack, I’d have spoken in tongues, or in code or sprayed some essence toxic to the neuron-challenged.

By: davecatbone

davecatbone — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:37:35 +0000

stand up in Washington and announce to the country and the Democrat party, that the GOP will use every single tactic against the Democrat Progressives that are being used against us? The Right will push through all their agenda with 51 votes, and will initiate criminal investigations of all former Democrat administrations and congressmen. Think that’ll get anybody’s attention?

By: Incredible

Incredible — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:13:42 +0000

I think that you’re funny. Redstate doesn’t tolerate trolls, though. See ya at Kos! (I go for the schadenfreude.)

By: Achance

Achance — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:12:35 +0000

By: civil_truth

civil_truth — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:56:04 +0000

They will simply declare health care to be a Constitutional right and require continued funding. Or perhaps declare that a binding contract was made with the bill’s enactment. Or perhaps they’ll invent some other legal justification to enforces the Justice’s political preferences – hand-picked by Obama.

Once the horses are out, shutting the barn door won’t help. You need to keep the dang doors shut in the first place!

By: mom2oneson

mom2oneson — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:20:48 +0000

I’m not a member and have never been to one but I know the lds canneries have very low prices. If you are within driving distance see if you can make an appointment. Some may require you go with a member but they should be able to arrange that if you ask.
http://www.providentliving.org/location/map/0,12566,2026-1-4,00.html

By: civil_truth

civil_truth — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:18:55 +0000

…under the mistaken view that we could simply reverse this with favorable elections in 2010.

The same goes for Cap and Trade and EFCA notably, and any other garbage that comes down the pike (like the expansion of Hate Laws)

I was NOT making a prediction that it was a done deal, just observing that the Democratic leadership believes that anything they pass will be irreversible (and a camel nose into the tent) because they will have the numbers to prevent any Congressional reversal at least through 2012 (because Obama has the veto pen) and later if we don’t get 61 committed Senators plus the House.

And the longer ObamaCare is on the books, the harder it will be to reverse.

Given those numbers, my point was that the Democratic leadership won’t mind forcing a vote that could risk losing some senators and Blue Dogs because they have a lot of buffer for defending anything they get through in future Congresses.

And since passage of these bills will enable their money and industry capture strategy, they are also betting that they can hold on to their gains come 2010 given media saturation, a pliant press, and short memories of swing voters who don’t even focus until shortly before the election and go with the trend of the moment – 2009 will be ancient history for them.

And if they’re correct, then we will be at the edge of a one-party state (or perhaps over the edge). But that’s a longer-term worry and rather speculative at this point.

Right now, again, the point is to not give up an inch voluntarily in the name of “bipartisanship” or “polity” because that is lost forever – make them force their way if they can, but no help from the Republican side of the aisle.

The Democrats have started an all-out gun fight – we must not go up against them with rubber knives.

By: ajl_mo

ajl_mo — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:17:56 +0000

Patrick Swayze would be proud.

By: gekster

gekster — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:14:26 +0000

I got to say I did miss all of you.
andi’m more into video games,
it would beTtiger Woods Golf for the wii
if I was playing..

And I don’t think I’ll do that again.
I started on Monday and just now I’m getting cought up with all the e-mail.

By: ajl_mo

ajl_mo — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:12:11 +0000

awesome

By: $peciallist

$peciallist — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:59:59 +0000

you were golfing…

By: TNJim

TNJim — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:53:32 +0000

Welcome back gekster

By: Moe Lane

Moe Lane — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:50:09 +0000

I’d say that it’s been fun, except that it wasn’t.

By: gekster

gekster — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:44:46 +0000

I took a month off the internet as a whole to get to see what the outside world was like again.

By: whodare

whodare — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:38:31 +0000

That is not the bill. The bill is coming out of the senate and if passed will be sent to the house. The house has withdrawn HR3200 and deferring to the senate.

By: ddstrain

ddstrain — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:37:25 +0000

By: mom2oneson

mom2oneson — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:32:01 +0000

By: whodare

whodare — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:28:40 +0000

and I’m the idiot? ;o)