The DailyKos is reporting that out of the 83 signatories to the we will vote no if there is no public option pledge, only 46 remain standing firm. The rest of the progressives have caved. For these 46 liberal Members, a robust public plan means a Medicare plus 5 percent reimbursement rate for providers. However, the Blue Dogs are pushing a rival “negotiated provider reimbursement rate” which the progressives say effectively kills the public option.
Progressives are being squeezed by two fronts, one is their dropping numbers of Members who will stand firm on the public plan or they will vote no pledge, and two, on the negotiated Medicare reimbursement rates which they believe will gut the public option. So, 46 Democrats signed a letter to the Speaker demanding no negotiated rates or we vote no because it will kill the public option.
The Progressives are losing the battle, however, according to the DailyKos, because the direction of the bill is clearly moving to negotiated rates.
But 46 liberals are still more than enough to kill the bill with their votes alone. These 46 votes likely does not account for the other Dem NO votes because of any of the following issues: taxes, spending, abortion, immigration or other bill-killing issues. According to pro-life Democrats, there are 40 NO Dem votes against ObamaCare solely on the issue of abortion, for example.
Curiouser and curiouser said Alice as she went down the rabbit hole…
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
I guess one groups of libs
Leopard1996 (Diary) Saturday, October 3rd at 5:30AM EST (link)Doesn’t understand that they are trying to go all-in while the opposition is holding the nut straight flush on this.
Wouldn’t one of the problems with the senate passing any health care reform through reconciliation mean that there would have to be a sunset, like the Bush tax cuts.
If that is the case, if they try to ramrod this through, they lose in 2010 by huge margins, we come in and repeal it outright.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
We talk about the blue dogs caving
bk (Diary) Saturday, October 3rd at 6:34AM EST (link)but there is no way that any liberal is going to vote against any health care bill. They’ll vote against all moderate amendments along the way, but there is no way in hell that the left is going to vote against whatever comes out of conference no matter what it says.
I'm Afraid You're Right
Joe Cor (Diary) Saturday, October 3rd at 7:46AM EST (link)They’ve got the votes, and all these dreams of gridlock dancing in our heads are probably wishful thinking. And even if Republicans get control of the House and Senate back, it’s hard to see how they would ever have the backbone and political savvy to repeal this bill, especially with the hostile media blitz they would be facing. They’d have to be Republicans far different from any that I’ve seen for at least the last two decades.
This is the consequence of having a president who left his policy positions undefended for 8 years, while instead trying to make his opponents like him by alternating between staying mute and embarrassing flattery. We ended up with the pro-defense, pro-free-enterprise, pro-liberty, pro-culture-of-life party completely gutted, and the inmates in charge of the asylum. Not the most attractive of legacies to be presenting to “history” when it makes the final judgment on the president in question.
The only comforting aspect of the looming "health care" bill...
RedBeard Saturday, October 3rd at 7:58AM EST (link)…is the obvious discomfort of every vulnerable Democrat. They know that they risk their phony-baloney jobs if they vote yes. They probably will vote yes, but at least they will have serious heartburn over it. And a pension check, if there is any justice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-cje17OGnQ
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
We'd better be wielding a huge axe in 13 months
peg_c (Diary) Saturday, October 3rd at 8:22AM EST (link)We’re going to need it to have a prayer of stopping/reversing/rescinding this anti-American, anti-democratic/unconstitutional travesty.
Government cannot be the solution when government is the problem.