Slate’s John Dickerson has finally said what has been so glaringly obvious for so many months, but has been ignored, not discussed and generally denied by the MSM and the supporters of ObamaCare with great discipline: the internal divisions inside the Democratic Party over specific policy issues contained inside ObamaCare could cause it to collapse:
“With nearly all Republicans opposed to the president’s plan, the last stages of negotiations will be among Democratic factions. Obama came into office promising to bridge the partisan divide in Washington. But the outcome of the health care debate may depend more on his ability to bridge the divides in his own party.”
This is the “teachable moment” that comes from the vote and failure of the public option in the Senate Finance Committee.
The standard party line among the Democratic leadership — especially the Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid — has been the missteps, mistakes, chaos and general political failure of ObamaCare is all the Republican’s fault. But even the liberal FireDogLake and DailyKos know this blame-the-Republicans is goat food for the brain dead. The Public Option vote has put the lie to the it’s-the-Republican’s-fault.
Interestingly, the White House and the Speaker have 180 degree difference in their responses to the dealing with each of the issues that could cause Democratic members to vote NO on ObamaCare, with the Public Option being exhibit A in this “teachable moment.”
The White House ducks, dodges, bobs, weaves, flips and flops — all with great and wondrous conviction and oration. It is perfectly unclear where Obama is on the public option — he tells his own members of his party different things in public than he does the public.
The Speaker, meanwhile, has not budged in her repeated insistence that the House bill have a public option. Her public and private comments have been the same — and she over ruled a deal with the Blue Dogs made prior to the August recess which would have tempered the Public Option — she will not be denied, nor will the 83 signatories of the letter that threatens they will vote NO if there is not a robust public option.
The Dangers of a Write-Anything-You-Want-in-the-Bill-Process
The Speaker can do what ever she wants with the merged bills from the three Committee’s of jurisdiction — not quite the same as the Senate bringing up a vapor-bill — but the Speaker can re-write ObamaCare in the House Rules Committee, and she can do whatever she pleases in the great “merge” process.
Change the taxes in the bill? No problem. Include Rep. Stupak’s explicit ban on abortion and iron-clad conscience protection for doctors and nurses, easy as pie. Write in language that prevents illegal aliens from being insured, OK. End the cuts to Medicare Advantage — can do. Stop the cuts to Medicare — YES WE CAN. Make sure the bill contains the public option — you bet. Raise or lower the spending levels — yep. Take a pound of flesh from the insurers — done. Change every American’s health plan within five years to fit the design specs of the Secretary of HHS and not allow any others — already happening.
The real problem is that Democratic members, like most who enter public life, actually care about some of these issues — and they are, in the main, binary yes/no issues. Yes or No on the Public Option — there is no gray or maybe, kinda, sorta, if it works like this it will be OK — there is or there isn’t. The same is true for the passion-infested issues of the tax structure and Medicare cuts to pay for ObamaCare, abortion and providing ObamaCare to illegal immigrants, and the overall spending levels of a trillion dollars.
And this is why the 72 hour — read the bill — movement is such a threat to ObamaCare.
Everyone knows that the Speaker can do whatever she wants with the language. That is the problem: everyone knows she can change it to what they insist it be — so they can vote for it.
The cram-down is not just for the American people, it is for members of her own party. As far as I can tell, there really is no way to make everyone in the Democratic party happy and comfortable with what is in the ObamaCare bill, without insisting that they not see the language before the vote.
And the policy issue discomfort among members of Congress is reflected by the continuing and deflating poll numbers and hardening of the public’s attitude on ObamaCare.
The fact that the liberals in the House acknowledge they will lose members in the up-coming election, and that they want those losing members to be the pesky Blue Dogs who are such a problem for their agenda, does not build the whole team spirit, take one for the team thing.
The correct approach to all of these issues is to take the leading proponent and leading opponent of each of the key issues that are creating the political forces that are pulling the bill apart, and allow amendments to be offered and voted on — so the House can work its will.
The majority will say they do not want to expose their Members to these kinds of votes, but what the House Leadership has not yet realized, their members are already exposed to these kinds of votes — in their ObamaCare bill.
Meanwhile, the White House and the President are perfectly happy to say whatever they want to say about these binary issues. For example, on abortion the White House has said there will be an explicit ban on taxpayer dollars funding abortion, and that the bill will not provide coverage to illegal aliens — but then to refuse to define what his explicit ban on abortion means, and to publicly announce that the illegals should be made legal, to get health care.
And this then encourages members of his own party to want language in ObamaCare to illegal immigrants to be explicitly covered under ObamaCare.
By embracing the magic write-what-ever-you-want-the-bill-to-be-and-not-let-anyone-see-it, the White House, the Speaker and the Senate have created a monster where every one knows that they can get what they want in the bill, but few trust that it will turn out that way.
And the net result is Members of Congress who would just rather not vote on any of it, and a public that is opposed to any reform.
Quite rationally, the public has collectively decided they would rather have the devil they know than the devil they don’t-know-what.
Steve Maley
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Beware Of "D.O.A." Predictions for the Hell-th Care Bill
Ausonius (Diary) Wednesday, September 30th at 5:45PM EST (link)The single-minded, arrogant zealotry of Big BRObama, Reid, Pelosi, and the other Dems want us to keep hearing how the bill cannot pass.
I do not trust one thing about this: Why trust Dems who say that the votes are not there, that there are too many divisions, that the Senate will “never” accept this and that, etc.
And yet – inexorably -the bill (the version is irrelevant) – gets another step closer to being passed, despite all the D.O.A. predictions!
Our job: keep the heat on for 3 years to defeat as many Dems as possible in 2010 and 2012 and undo as much of this disaster as possible.
Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.
Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.
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"Never count someone dead until you see the body, and even then you could be mistaken."
Xasteius (Diary) Wednesday, September 30th at 5:56PM EST (link)Thus sayeth Frank Herbert.
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
Completely agree
azred (Diary) Wednesday, September 30th at 7:17PM EST (link)Since when can you trust ANYTHING out of the majority of the elite in Washington? The majority, including many R’s, will only get caught with the full truth if it’s by mistake, and then they’ll deny they ever got caught near the truth.
The black hole of ethics is point 1 of the problem. The ideology that gets caught up in that vacuum is the nitro to the glycerin. That body better be IDed by a trusted source, and that source does not exist in the beltway. And a second bullet for good measure may still be required.
By Friday: Hell-th Care Passes, NObama and the Dems Win
Ausonius (Diary) Wednesday, September 30th at 10:22PM EST (link)As of 9:45 P.M. EST from the AP:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_CARE_OVERHAUL?SITE=WCNC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
An excerpt:
“A White House-backed overhaul of the nation’s health care system weathered repeated challenges from Republican critics over taxes, abortion and more on Wednesday, and the bill’s architect claimed enough votes to push it through the Senate Finance Committee as early as week’s end.
“We’re coming to closure,” said Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the committee chairman, as President Barack Obama lobbied at least one wavering Democrat by phone to swing behind the measure.
Baucus said, “It’s clear to me we’re going to get it passed,” although he sidestepped a question about possible Republican support. Olympia Snowe of Maine is the only GOP senator whose vote is in doubt, and she has yet to tip her hand. While she has voted with Democrats on some key tests — to allow the government to dictate the types of coverage that must be included in insurance policies, for example — she has also sided with fellow Republicans on other contentious issues.”
NOT D.O.A.?
Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.
Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.
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I was listening to Rush today and he says they are looking to pass this next week....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, September 30th at 5:50PM EST (link)He says they are going to work through a loophole that will put the Healthcare bill on an attachment to the bill that is sitting in the Senate that the House already voted on which limits what business executives make. It had something to do with 2 separate bills out of the Senate and then riding on the already voted House bill..then re-consideration and BOOM the bill is through for Obama to sign!
CALL YOUR SENATORS & CONGRESSIDIOTS and tell them NO!
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Why bother taking a vote?
azred (Diary) Wednesday, September 30th at 7:45PM EST (link)Take a blowtorch to the Constitution. An attachment to another bill? One that has already been passed? Are you kidding me??????!!!!???? Why not but a gun to the head of everyone on the floor and say AYE, you pass NAY you lose? This is off the charts.
"CALL YOUR SENATORS & CONGRESSIDIOTS and tell them NO!"
ColdWarrior (Diary) Wednesday, September 30th at 6:11PM EST (link)Good.
Better? Much better? Will put FEAR into them NOW?
Call them and tell them either:
You already are a conservative Republican Party precinct committeeman and you will be getting out the vote for the BEST conservatives in all the 2010 Republican Party primary races
or
You are a conservative and you are volunteering to become Republican Party precinct committeeman and you will be getting out the vote for the BEST conservatives in all the 2010 Republican Party primary races.
As I’ve already mentioned here, the Rasmussen poll said over 60 per cent of registered Republicans think he’s out of step with the Republican Party. No wonder his campaign has already called the Maricopa County precinct committeeman asking for my endorsement.
Thank you
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Watch for the Trick
tricianc (Diary) Wednesday, September 30th at 8:40PM EST (link)Rush says Obamarx will use Afghanistan to get his far left Reps to “compromise” and take our the Public Option.
Take out the Public Option and we’ll abandon Afghanistan. The really bad part is a CO-OP or any compromise program or exchange they put into place IS THE SAME AS A PUBLIC OPTION.
If this happens, if they get healthcare reform, it is over for the Republican Party.
How do you take back an entitlement program that will have gained enormous amounts of constituents?
and TODAY the Senate voted against making sure illegals wouldn’t be covered and that abortions wouldn’t be paid for through it.
So…Joe Wilson gets another donation from me….YOU LIE, OBAMA.
Also, be sure to read this:
Congress’s Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33740&s=rcmp
Rush referenced this as well.
Healthcare will be passed as an amendment on another bill?
tricianc (Diary) Wednesday, September 30th at 8:55PM EST (link)Rush and this article http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33740&s=rcmp says Congress and Obamarx are going to pass the Healthcare bill as an amendment to the “stop those bonuses and income to those greedy selfish Wall St. suits.” (probably the Tarp bill or even another) so that people will say yeah we need to stop those rich people.
This way no one will even be concentrating on the healthcare as having been snuck in.
Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama and these back stabbing Dems (hopefully only Dems) are traitors. They work for us yet do not do what we want.
Wow. That's angry, even for the Angry Left.
Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, October 1st at 8:22AM EST (link)Mind you, it’s all their own fault: if they had thought through the implications a little of acquiring all those Blue-in-Red seats they might have avoided the worst consequences of this mess.
The Kim Kardashian of blogging.
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Why is Congress acting like Roman Polanski?
izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, October 1st at 8:51AM EST (link)Everyone is saying No yet they keep coming?
I don’t want to wait for 32 years until justice is served.
Congress wants to bend you over, I guess saying NO is not
enough.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
That's what happens when there's no parent in the room
civil truth (Diary) Thursday, October 1st at 10:16AM EST (link)So all the adolescents (mentally speaking, regardless of chronological age) get to act out their fantasies thinking that someone else is paying for it all.
Correction: not “thinking” just being driven by their gonads and hormones with no consideration of the next morning or long-term consequences (starting 9 months later).
And we’ve got some 535 of these adolescents in Congress – minus the few sensible adults among them who get drowned out.
Some day daddy is going to take the T-bird away, though “daddy” may turn out to be China or a nuclear attack.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
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Splintered
lukematthews (Diary) Thursday, October 1st at 7:32PM EST (link)There is increasing evidence the Democratic Party is about to crack. The regular Democrats are becoming more and more uncomfortable with the Regressive Wing of the party. Polls are making them wince. Union regulars are beginning to grumble. The lawyers are beginning to question. Independents are growing steadily louder. There is real fear out there among the rank-n-file. They are finding fewer places to go and meet with supporters as the public becomes defiant.
They may be able to hold it together for the healthcare vote. But the cracks are there. The vase has been dropped and spiderlines of differences are there. One crisis and the party will break into two.
Just watch and smile.