The Senate Shell Game: Taking Up the Blank Health Reform Bill on the Senate Floor


I know that there are many people who are incredulous that the U.S. Senate can proceed to a blank, shell health care bill next week — a vapor-bill.

Every person knowledgeable about Senate procedure believes that the Democrats are both arrogant and desperate enough to bring up a blank bill on the Senate flooor, and are planning for it and expecting this unprecedented action by the Democrats.

Why would the Democrats do this? They are under strict marching orders from the White House to complete action on the bill before the opposition by the public manifests itself further, before the Governor elections in New Jersey and Virginia and before the October 15th deadline expires by which time they must use the super-cram-down reconciliation procedures.

Furthermore, how can anyone be against something that does not exist? How do you know that what you say is in the bill really is in the bill. It is a slap in the face to the Senate’s role Constitutional role as the body that cools the passions of the day and is the deliberative body.

The concerns of the American people to slow down and get it right — which are a prominent feature of every health care poll — are being given the middle finger.

How about speed the process up and not tell you what we are doing, is the Senate Democratic response.

How much will the bill cost? Good question. CBO has said repeatedly it cannot accurately score a bill without the legislative language, which does not exist.

So, it is really much worse, proceed to consideration of a bill whose legislative language does not exist and we have no accurate price tag.

Here is an updated and more specific discussion by Brian Darling, of how this will happen.

Every radio talk show host and every citizen should call their Senator now and tell them they want 72 hours to review the actual legislative language before the bill goes to the floor, and they want a CBO Score based on real legislative language.


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In the end....

izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 12:55PM EST (link)

….all of these democratic social plans will end in disaster.
The poor will be poorer, the rich won’t be and the middle class
will check out.

Social Security will be in the red next year.

Medicare is almost to the point of being non-viable.

National Health Care will be the straw that broke the donkeys back.
All the public posturing and blustering about “the public wants National Health Care & the public option” is just that – empty rherotic to fill empty minds.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

I disagree with you on a few points....

DavidS1787 (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 3:51PM EST (link)

I predict that Social Security will be just another tax that you will pay into and never get anything out of because they (Democrats) will raise the retirement age so high that no one will ever get Social Security! This way the Democrats can spend more money on their pet projects!

Tell the seniors to get ready to go back to work! Some of the Seniors that use Social Security as their primary means of support better go out and get a job!

Medicare is finished if they pass This terrible healthcare plan!

If this healthcre bill would pass with the public option or co ops which would be the same thing as the public option, it will be a big bankrupting endeavor ever taken by this government that will hurt us financially for centuries!

 
 

I suppose it's a first,

Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 1:22PM EST (link)

considering it’s an entire bill but it’s not the first time they’ve passed a bill with blank paper and called it a placeholder.

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Sad, isn't it?

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 2:30PM EST (link)

That there are still people that have NO CLUE what goes on in our Government. Though it is tiring, we have to keep at them, and (of course) we will.

Townhalls primers: here, here, here, here, here, and HC issues summary here

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I don't see that

Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 2:36PM EST (link)

we have any other choice.

And yes, it is sad.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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"Stealth Health passes Senate"

Warrior (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 1:57PM EST (link)

Spkr of the Hse Nancy Pelosi, when asked for details, haughtily dismissed such enquiries with, “If and when we believe you’re ready for more info, we’ll let you know.”

She then swept this reporter aside to board her newly acquired 747 Air Force 3 for yet another trip across the country to attend San Francisco’s dungeness crab festival…

She was heard to say, upon boarding her palatial jet plane, “These little people sure can be annoying. Besides, we ALWAYS know what’s best for them.”

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This makes it easy to defend the bill

bk (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 2:09PM EST (link)

No matter what you say you don’t like, they can honestly say “That’s not in the bill we’re debating” when there truly is absolutely nothing in the bill being debated.

 

Political suicide

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 3:30PM EST (link)

I have said from the beginning that this fight is won or lost in the House. One way or another they can get 60 votes one time in the Senate.

But when this comes back to the House, I don’t think they have it. I have no faith in or respect for the Blue Dogs, but what happened to them I hope (and believe) will get enough no votes to defeat it.

If it does pass, I only hope we can undo it in 2011 by hook or crook. Since we won’t be veto-proof and will in fact have ONLY the House, we can’t simply repeal it. But perhaps we can torpedo it some way.

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It's Easy - You Simply Don't Fund It

IJB Tuesday, September 29th at 10:39PM EST (link)

Grandiose programs without funding are nothing more than quickly forgotten vaporware.

If the GOP takes over the House, Obamacare is dead, Veto or no.

 

"One way or another they can get 60 votes one time in the Senate."

bk (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:41PM EST (link)

And if they can’t then Reid will decide they only need 50 + Biden.

They'll Have To Do The Latter, Because They're Not Getting 60 Votes (nt)

IJB Tuesday, September 29th at 11:00PM EST (link)
 
 

Yep.

cringinghere (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 9:25PM EST (link)

Figures!