Comments on: Rockefeller Amendment for a Public Option Fails 15-8 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/ Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:56:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: drrhythm http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1641 drrhythm Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:09:51 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1641 Well, liberals have been confused on everything from the definition of "is" to the definition of "tax," so "what's your name?" could easily be next... Well, liberals have been confused on everything from the definition of “is” to the definition of “tax,” so “what’s your name?” could easily be next…

]]> By: drrhythm http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1640 drrhythm Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:08:25 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1640 Did you say Rockefeller's amendment was number 187? Now that is ironic - that's the police code for murder (according to pop culture anyway) right? Did you say Rockefeller’s amendment was number 187? Now that is ironic – that’s the police code for murder (according to pop culture anyway) right?

]]> By: bk http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1620 bk Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:04:47 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1620 "Trigger" is one for sure. If they get Snowe to vote for it by adding a public option "trigger" you can bet it's only a matter of time before that trigger gets pulled. "Non-profit co-op" may be another code word (code phrase?) for what will in short order become a public option. Let me remind everyone <a href="http://www.redstate.com/bk/2009/09/08/very-important-comments-from-pelosi-and-reid-today/">what Harry Reid said</a> after he and Pelosi met with Obama. He said that if he has anything to do with it, the bill that comes out of the Senate will have "a public option or something like a public option." I don't see how you can interpret that to mean anything other "a public option even if the language makes it look like it's not a public option." “Trigger” is one for sure. If they get Snowe to vote for it by adding a public option “trigger” you can bet it’s only a matter of time before that trigger gets pulled.

“Non-profit co-op” may be another code word (code phrase?) for what will in short order become a public option.

Let me remind everyone what Harry Reid said after he and Pelosi met with Obama. He said that if he has anything to do with it, the bill that comes out of the Senate will have “a public option or something like a public option.” I don’t see how you can interpret that to mean anything other “a public option even if the language makes it look like it’s not a public option.”

]]> By: tricianc http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1619 tricianc Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:42:34 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1619 Remember the Alinsky way: This is just so they can introduce the so called compromise: "Co-ops" (which is government run health care under a new name) or if they have to, the trigger to get Olympia Snowe. They will take what they can get to get the camel's nose under the tent. Again, remember the Alinsky way: Put something out there you KNOW won't fly, then accept a "compromise", thereby getting some bi-partisan support and there ya go......SUCCESS! AND you can claim how you worked with the other party and take the credit. Remember the Alinsky way:

This is just so they can introduce the so called compromise: “Co-ops” (which is government run health care under a new name) or if they have to, the trigger to get Olympia Snowe. They will take what they can get to get the camel’s nose under the tent.

Again, remember the Alinsky way: Put something out there you KNOW won’t fly, then accept a “compromise”, thereby getting some bi-partisan support and there ya go……SUCCESS! AND you can claim how you worked with the other party and take the credit.

]]> By: snowshooze http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1616 snowshooze Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:02:10 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1616 There will be more attempts for the public option. There is no fire. We do not need sweeping earth shaking change. Maybe the tort reforms coupled with deregulation to allow competition across the entire country, then give it a few years and see what happens. I need Workman's Compensation reform, I dropped my crew over the cost of this insurance and I believe there is only one provider I can use. I have chipped in $75 thousand from my company over the past few years. So, I hate the Insurance Companies too, so don't turn them completely loose, but don't make them have to bribe you for a sales territory... No rush, no fire. Small changes and corrections are better than a 1000 page mystery bill with instant buyers remorse. Yaay for the small victory today!!! Mark There will be more attempts for the public option.
There is no fire. We do not need sweeping earth shaking change.
Maybe the tort reforms coupled with deregulation to allow competition across the entire country, then give it a few years and see what happens.
I need Workman’s Compensation reform, I dropped my crew over the cost of this insurance and I believe there is only one provider I can use. I have chipped in $75 thousand from my company over the past few years.
So, I hate the Insurance Companies too, so don’t turn them completely loose, but don’t make them have to bribe you for a sales territory…
No rush, no fire. Small changes and corrections are better than a 1000 page mystery bill with instant buyers remorse.
Yaay for the small victory today!!!
Mark

]]> By: Socrates http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1615 Socrates Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:47:04 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1615 Reid will take some innocuous bill having to do with the sense of the Senate on the direction rain falls, and send that to reconciliation with the House version of Obamacare. The two bills will then be reconciled in favor of the House version. House would pass the reconciled version, since they already did. Whether Senate Democrats would pass the "reconciled" bag of trash, I don't know. Reid will take some innocuous bill having to do with the sense of the Senate on the direction rain falls, and send that to reconciliation with the House version of Obamacare. The two bills will then be reconciled in favor of the House version. House would pass the reconciled version, since they already did.

Whether Senate Democrats would pass the “reconciled” bag of trash, I don’t know.

]]> By: tsquare http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1614 tsquare Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:45:10 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1614 Very nice indeed... As an aside... we should all chip in and buy Sen Kerry a clue. It is the only way he'll have have/get one. Very nice indeed…

As an aside… we should all chip in and buy Sen Kerry a clue.

It is the only way he’ll have have/get one.

]]> By: tsquare http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1613 tsquare Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:43:07 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1613 Half the time I'm amazed that some of these guys can answer the question: 'what is your name?' truthfully Half the time I’m amazed that some of these guys can answer the question: ‘what is your name?’ truthfully

]]> By: bk http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1612 bk Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:39:08 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1612 Kerry called all insurance company profit and overhead "profit" and implied that all goes away when the government runs it. Yep, certainly everyone would agree that gov't programs normally include no overhead and administrative costs. Kerry called all insurance company profit and overhead “profit” and implied that all goes away when the government runs it.

Yep, certainly everyone would agree that gov’t programs normally include no overhead and administrative costs.

]]> By: Streiff http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1611 Streiff Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:15:37 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1611 nt nt

]]> By: suzieQ http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1610 suzieQ Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:12:08 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1610 There are three different public option amendments on the table. This one (187) was considered to be the most liberal, and included a price-fixing portion for the drug companies. The problem is that the other two are considered more "moderate" public options, and may gain more support. There are three different public option amendments on the table. This one (187) was considered to be the most liberal, and included a price-fixing portion for the drug companies. The problem is that the other two are considered more “moderate” public options, and may gain more support.

]]> By: Streiff http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/29/rockefeller-amendment-for-a-public-option-fails-15-8/#comment-1609 Streiff Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:05:31 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/?p=1058#comment-1609 10-13. Conrad, Baucus, and Lincoln voted against. 10-13. Conrad, Baucus, and Lincoln voted against.

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