Rockefeller’s and Cantwell’s Pledge to Vote No Over Public Option, Makes Snowe Vote Key for Bill to Leave Committee


Daily Kos is reporting that Organizing for America is sending emails to Democrats in Washington State to pressure Senator Cantwell to change her pledge to vote no on health care reform unless the Senate includes a public option. Senators Cantwell and Rockefeller have both pledged to vote No if the bill does not include a public option.

The Organizing for American email reads in part:

We need to pass a reform bill out of the Finance Committee and that comes down to just a few critical senators — including yours, Senator Maria Cantwell….

The question is will Rockefeller and Cantwell stick by their pledge? Since they are both on the Senate Finance Committee will it mean the bill cannot get out of Committee? Will Cantwell and Rockefeller hold the bill up in Committee until they get what they want, or does their pledge apply after the bill leaves Committee? It sounds like Organizing for America believes the pledge applies to the Committee vote.

If both Rockefeller and Cantwell vote no in Committee, then the Democrats must get Snowe’s vote to move the bill out of Committee.

Snowe’s support seems to hinge on the public option trigger, and a CBO score of the Committee bill before they vote — and for CBO to score the bill they need to see the legislative language, not a “conceptual bill,” written in essay form. CBO says it will take two weeks to produce the score, from the legislative language.

Here is an interesting exchange between Senators Snowe and Baucus yesterday, from the National Journal:

“A defeated amendment to require final CBO scores before the Finance Committee votes on healthcare legislation has opened a potential divide between Democrats and Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine — the lone Republican who might support the Democrats’ bill.

Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., proposed the amendment, which would require committee staff to post legislative language and final CBO scores on the panel’s Web site three days before members vote. The committee, which typically works off of conceptual language written in plain English, was planning to vote based on preliminary CBO scores.

CBO Director Elmendorf said Tuesday final scores would take two weeks.

“I just don’t think that’s is acceptable,” said Finance Chairman Max Baucus, who voted against the amendment along with every Democrat except Sen. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas.

But Snowe came down vehemently on the opposite side.

“I truly do not understand the skepticism about this request,” Snowe said. “This is about doing our job. If it takes two more weeks, it takes two more weeks. We’re talking about trillions of dollars in the final analysis.”

“Is there something happening in two weeks that we cannot wait?” she continued. “Is it the Columbus Day recess? What is it? Because I don’t get it.”


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I would be amazed if this doesn't get out of committee

red_oakster (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 9:48AM EST (link)

The Democrats will whip hard. All of them, with the possible exception of Lincoln, will support this, since they know that the bill will move left once it gets merged with the HELP bill.

The bigger issue is what happens after that. I don’t think they have 60 votes for whatever they produce.

The Jim DeMint Amendments: The Time Has Arrived To Kill Reconcilation And ObamaCare

GJ Merits (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 11:20AM EST (link)

This is a strategy by Dr. Hunter from the Social Security Institute (see also here for a longer description) to increase the chances that Democrats will not have the votes even for reconciliation. I highly encourage everyone to read this and forward it on.

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison

If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.

To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.

 

When Have Democrats Kept Their Word?

farstar99 (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 11:56AM EST (link)

Or RINOs for that matter?

If there are 83 Democrats in the House

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:30PM EST (link)

who will not vote for any health care reform without a public option, does not it stand to reason there are a handful of Democratic Senators who will do the same.

The real question is will they do what they say?

I have no idea, but if the left wasn’t worried about that happening, they would not be putting pressure on Cantwell.

 
 
 

That's CantVOTEwell, Maria.

rec0n Thursday, September 24th at 10:33AM EST (link)

I can’t stand that woman.

 

Is Baucus shooting straight on Medicare

4life (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 10:40AM EST (link)

Advantage? I read the full article on Snowe and Baucus, and he claims the government is providing excess funds to this private supplimental insurance. But he is not willing to guarantee that seniors will not lose benefits if the funds are cut. So, how are these funds considered excess if they really do provide benefits? Is Baucus saying that seniors don’t really need dental and vision insurance? And is this how a co-op or gov’t plan would work? When they run out of money they just begin to classify benefits as ‘excess’ and ‘unnecessary’? Are they doing right now what they say they won’t do under a new plan? And they wonder why we don’t trust them!

Baucus is a Democrat, therefore...

kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 12:54PM EST (link)

it is safest to assume that he is lying.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 
 

Snowe Job

beanerecmo Thursday, September 24th at 10:59AM EST (link)

The trigger level will be set so low as to make the public option a certainty. Why won’t the committee allow 72 hours for review by the public and also allow the financial analysis to be made public? Hmmm.

I was a liberal until I learned to read, got a job and was mugged by willful tax and spend regressives (aka progressives) and naive acolytes.

The interesting thing is that if Snowe

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:32PM EST (link)

sticks to her statement about the need for a CBO score, then she will have to insist on having legislative language, because CBO cannot score the bill properly without legislative language

 
 

I hate to say it, but...

Hoosier Economist (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 11:04AM EST (link)

expect Sen. Snowe to break rank on this unless she receives a TON of pressure from conservatives. The Daily Kos and its progressive allies are squeezing her. The conservative wing of the GOP needs to do the same.

 

Just e-mailed her

hickorystick (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 11:04AM EST (link)

asked her to vote against the Public Option. She had an opening statement to the mark-up process and she is definately not digging where her fellow Democrats are going. She also voted against the bailout.

"..her fellow Democrats", hickorystick? She's an R. nt

janis (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:41PM EST (link)
 

The games congress plays

Right_Again (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 11:17AM EST (link)

If congress insists on playing games with the CBO, they should respond in kind. The CBO should issue an assessment with a cost estimate that is ten times their last one. The should tell congress that if they want a real assessment they should give them the real bill.

I hope we can even remotely trust the CBO's numbers...

H (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 11:52AM EST (link)

but any such hope would disintegrate into the fog of politics should the game playing you suggest take place.

 
 

Snowe is one of the most unpredictable Senators.

jeffreywturner (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 11:54AM EST (link)

In fact, both of the Maine Senators are. They represent a fairly blue state, but they are hugely popular in the state. They get re-elected by 20%+ margins, so they have plenty of leeway to vote conservatively on issues before they would have to worry about endangering their jobs.

“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”

My sense is that if she would have backed

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:33PM EST (link)

a trigger, she would have done it right after the President’s speech.

 
 

Question

Mayhem (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 1:28PM EST (link)

If (and that’s a big if) Finance can’t pass it out of committee, can’t Reid put it before the Senate anyway?

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

not with any tax issues

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, September 24th at 2:28PM EST (link)

In other words, not taxes or fees or financing,which must go through the Senate finance committee.

I hate to point it out, but

jeffreywturner (Diary) Friday, September 25th at 11:43AM EST (link)

That isn’t in the Constitution, which means it is simply a Senate rule, which can be changed at any time with a Parliamentary ruling and 50 votes plus the VP.

Heck, they don’t even observe the one special rule regarding tax & spending bills that ACTUALLY IS in the Constitution (that they MUST originate in the House), so why would they be hampered by something as minor as a Senate rule?

“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”