President Obama’s Speech: Confusing, Vague and Did Not Describe the Bill Now before Congress


The real question about President Obama’s speech is: was he talking about some new bill he has in mind or was he talking about the bills before the U.S. House now? Because his speech and the current bill bear little resemblance to each other.

If he was talking about his new ideas for the his health plan, then OK, he wants to change what Congress has done.

But I think he was talking about the bill before Congress.

So, in short, Mr. President, I don’t believe you.



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What now?

DerKrieger (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 9:40PM EST (link)

That’s the question. Congress is back in session. The Marxists are undeterred in their quest for total control over We the People. So, what next?

The federal government has ZERO Constitutional authority to take over health care. Will anyone in the GOP bring this up?

Will Red states roll over and accept the imposition of socialism?
Will taxpayers accept their indentured servitude?
Will talk of secession increase?
Will 10th Amendment challenges to federal overreach happen?

I will find a way to not participate in this crap. Not sure what it is just yet.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

 

What?

michigan Wednesday, September 9th at 9:45PM EST (link)

Geeze Dan, what the heck didn’t you understand?

Healthcare, individual, change, private, savings, change, forward, lies, change, misinformation, change, improved, keep what you have, change, door always open, lies, change, unacceptable, lies, change, God bless America.

I got it. Sheesh.

Oh, now I

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 1:51AM EST (link)

understand!

Thank you.

;)

 
 

He choked.

NeoKong (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:04PM EST (link)

He came off as angry.
He told some whoppers.
He got called a liar…Ha Ha!
Does he not understand that many people have actually done what he and his fellow Democrats have failed to do?
They read the bill.
He still thinks that he’s on the campaign trail and he can just say anything and no one will call him on it.

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Very angry

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 1:52AM EST (link)

especially at the beginning of his speech

 
 

There are only a few things that still need to be clarified

Rich Tandler (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:09PM EST (link)

–How a government program can be paid for by savings from waste and fraud in another government program.

–How will insurance companies be able to accept patients with preexisting conditions, cover all types of preventive procedures, put no caps on how much they pay out on policies (all admirable goals, by the way) without a massive increase in premiums. I mean, would Geico be able to save you that pile of money with the googley eyes if you could call them and get a policy after you’ve already wrecked your car and they had to cover oil changes.

–How he can condone calling people who oppose his policies on principle extremists, Nazis, un-American, and worse and the expect us to be happy that he’s going to be chatting with our children during school.

–If he truly believes that if he keeps repeating the same lies over and over again that people will believe them.

–Is it over yet?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed with the tears of defeated politicians of BOTH parties and at ALL levels over the next few election cycles.

The Three T’s of reform–Term Limits, Tax Reform, and the Tenth Amendment

This is a point that should be made over and over:

Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:28PM EST (link)

How [can] a government program… be paid for by savings from waste and fraud in another government program[?]

If it is truly waste and fraud in Medicare or elsewhere, it really isn’t “saving” anything when it’s eliminated. It’s just reducing the cost of Medicare to where it “ought to” be in the first place. That reduces the deficit, as it should.

To then spend more on another program is to just increase the deficit for that program, plain and simple.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 

9.9.09 HADES FREEZES OVER

reelman (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:10PM EST (link)

SEPT 9.2009 HADES FREEZES OVER

Somebody pick me up off the floor…I can’t stop laughing…my eyes are watering…

The most liberal (secular socialist) democrat Party in history led by a kook radical are going to…are you ready for this?
Going to eliminate tens of billions in health care fraud…ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha…yada, yada.

Is this the Party that has us 9 trillion in debt with a long history of finding money only by taxes and military cuts?
Is this the Party that has controlled congress since January 2007 and said not a word about cutting fraud in Fannie or Freddie or Health Care?
Of course, what does reality have to do with anything Obama says? Or Pelosi? Or Reid? Or Dean or any socialist lemming.

Now that you finally stopped laughing I want to tell you the joke about the democrat Party cutting the size or inefficiency of the federal gov-meant (that has hired 78,000 new employees in 2009 as millions in private industry lost their jobs)…its a real knee slapper!

After that comes the joke about a STIM package that had no pork and would keep unemployment under 9%…its the funniest thing ever heard.

Cats are now called dogs and the air is full of rainbow dust…another White House full of smiling confident know-it-all liberal moonbats.

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

“Ignore what is said, watch what is done”
The problem is congress…is congress…
Secular Socialism is never the answer…
“This is where we hold them, this is where we fight”
The “reelman” in central Louisiana

LOL @ reelman! Thanks for cheering me up. nt

clowngirl (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 11:28PM EST (link)
 

Dead On! The "MY PLAN" DODGE

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:11PM EST (link)

Obama’s “My HC plan” Lie – Obama’s HC dodge, quoting a non-existent and/or not in consideration Plan

Where is your plan Mr. President?!?!? I don’t see it linked to at WhiteHouse.gov even at the Reality Check (Flag-whitehouse.gov is down, but are the unlawful (same old trickery) actions going on via WH:RealityCheck (hint: YES)) BS link. Where is your Plan?? We know it does NOT exist! If it does, give it to Reid or some Blue-Dog (read: Pavlov-Dog) for Consideration and Debate in the Senate… IT DOES NOT EXIST!!! I have written (and follow-up called) 20 US Senators with the following:

It seems the majority in DC are NOT going to pay any attention to the mood of the country, as many of you in DC hadn’t regarding many other votes, but here goes…. Many Americans do indeed want Health INSURANCE Reform to improve the state of Health Care in America, BUT… there can be No Compromise with the current HR3200 boondoggle… It must be scraped and a new plan, encompassing REAL SOLUTIONS (Not just plans to shift HC to Govt. Takeover that HR3200 is) that we as Republicans have spoken of/for for years. Cross-State line portability, Tort reform, PreExisting condition exclusion elimination (not allowed in MI, enact that Nationally), post employment coverage (modifying COBRA and HSA/MSA accounts to NOT ZERO OUT each year so multi-year savings can/will PAY FOR OWN COVERAGE while between jobs), More Govt. regulations and paperwork will DRIVE UP not reduce costs and bring us more Lawyers and Office Administrators to deal with it NOT Doctors, etc…. The answers are there, if you’d only pay attention:

HC Townhall Lies – Townhall HC distortions/propaganda
+More Townhall Hi-jinks – More HC Townhall Hi-jinks
+Townhalls 3 – HC Townhall: Like Hollywood, Democrats used new Actors to replay the same Script.
+Townhalls 4 – HC Townhalls: Steny Hoyer (D-MD) edition.
+Public Option – sole focus on Public Option is a mistake that sets up Lib’s for another Liberal Incremental-ism step to complete HC Takeover
+No Tort Reform – Moe Lane’s Diary: Dean admits why there is No Tort Reform in ANY HC legislation
+Kennedy Bill – A Teddy Kennedy HC Bill Republicans SHOULD SPONSOR
+an aside, Kennedy seat hypocrisy – MASS looks to ex-post-facto change Law to appoint Dem. to Kennedy seat
+another aside, Obama LAST KENNEDY Bro?!?! – Chrisy Matthews declares Obama last Kennedy brother
+McCain HC – McCain HC Townhall details, another sell-out pre-declared!
+Harry/Louise – Harry & Louise want you to pay for their Head examinations?
+Gang of Sicks (er… Six) – The Senate HC “Gang Of Sicks” (formerly 7, but Hatch left and that didn’t have the fun play on words ;-) lol)
+Clunker portends – Cash4Clunkers portends the HC fiasco in so many ways… Basic math!!
+Flag@ – Flag-whitehouse.gov is down, but are the unlawful (same old trickery) actions going on via WH:RealityCheck? AND HealthCare lies still being peddled? (hint: YES, to both)
+Obama’s “My HC plan” Lie – Obama’s HC dodge, quoting a non-existant and/or not in consideration Plan
+ultimate HC Q: – The ultimate HR3200 Q: Will Fetus’ about to be Aborted qualify for End Of Life counseling, or is that reserved only for Seniors about to be effectively Euthanized by/from Rationing?!?!
+Angry mob script – Democrats and MSM keep playing the Angry Mob script

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 

Obama is soooo Angry! Just like his inaugural speech.

Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:35PM EST (link)

He is angry that anyone questions the one, the rock star. Don’t you know who I am? I won!

You know what CNN’s first big take was? Who was the traitor Republican who yelled LIAR at The One. Dana Bash knew who it was but wasn’t going to name names until she got approval. What a freakin idiot tattletale.

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

 

The Message Was "I won", We WILL Do it My Way

clowngirl (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 11:24PM EST (link)

To me the whole purpose of Obama’s speech was to assert his arrogant dictatorial ambition, reinforcing his willingness to abuse his power (by using the bully pulpit to attack his critics and give a speech that was almost literally nothing but lies) and make the bill seem inevitable.

Of course some people will believe those lies…

Of course some people will believe those lies…

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 11:29PM EST (link)

And they will not be immune from the ensuing train wreck.
The younger the believer is – the more they will suffer. I will be long gone and some day my kids will say – old dad was right – this sucks….
After a few generations – America will be one large imitation of Cuba. Hell Cuba will probably become the 51st state & Mexico the 52nd….

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 

Tell me this bill will not pass.

michaeld (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 11:26PM EST (link)

Please – what has happened to this country!

This bill will

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 2:48AM EST (link)

not pass

 
 

Please............

Bobcat51 Wednesday, September 9th at 11:30PM EST (link)

,,,,can someone send Obama an Abacus cos obviously he is unable to locate the ON button on his calulator! The maths just don’t add up.

Liar, liar pants on fire !

The left wing intent is to destroy the existing society and replace it with a society of its own design.

 

Speech or Lecture?

NightTwister (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 11:40PM EST (link)

The time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed.

Did he forget that he wasn’t talking to the school children? This sounds like something you’d tell your kids. Obama just can’t get over the fact that he thinks we’re a bunch of children that need to be lectured and we should just do what he says, because I said so.

Personally, I don’t think a lot of adults are going to respond in the way he wants when he talks down to them like this. It’ll likely only solidify their resistance to what he wants to accomplish.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

He was having a teachable

Dan Perrin (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 2:46AM EST (link)

(patronizing) moment

 
 

On substance: NOTHING NEW. Same ol' same ol'.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 11:51PM EST (link)

They generate more questions and doubts than ever. WHAT’S HIS PLAN AGAIN?

On the delivery/style: He’s become a scorchingly Satirical and Offending.

Nuff said.

To Kowalski: Of course, Obama has just returned into campaigning mode for 2012. So too early for an incumbent.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 11:53PM EST (link)

Campaigning is his only greatest asset (and has lately become a liability.)

 
 

so, who was it that yelled during the speech? (nt)

RJD (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 12:08AM EST (link)

vague

independence44 Thursday, September 10th at 12:13AM EST (link)

as USUAL he was vague. where are the details??? where exactly is this money going to come from?

he says $900 billion now, if it does pass watch that number double.

he is unreliable, and LITERALLY unbelievable.

And add further cost cuts....

azred (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 1:44AM EST (link)

if projections fail to deliver? Are you kidding? So the likely service level cuts will get hacked further when reality sets in?

The only thing more ridiculous than the One and his DC followers believing his drivel is the lemmings that are listening and believing he is going to deliver the whole package in a neatly tied bow.

What a crock!!!

 
 

Sent this to my reps

Jesse V Thursday, September 10th at 12:14AM EST (link)

My Reps are all republican -

I find it incredulous that this administration and congress are on the verge of passing the biggest boondoggles (H.R. 3200) in America’s history.

Where in the Constitution is the right to health insurance guarenteed?
What part of the Constitution gives this President or the Congress the right to enact and enforce this kind of law?

I know you are trying your best, however, it seems there are those in the Republican party, that all they want is power and more power.

H.R. 3200 must be stopped, if passed you doom generations of Americans, our children and our childrens children to a fate of socialised medicine and only continue the march towards socialism this country is on.

Please remember these words – spoken by one of the founding fathers:

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE), the money of their constituents (this money is not yours).” – James Madison

And how dare Obama threaten us! He and his party are the ones misleading lying. You should have the party get together and begin to fight this administration harder. You’re all killing America, don’t you see it?

 

Computerization of proletariats' medical rex to cost $100 billion+

katesmith (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 1:01AM EST (link)

GE/NBC.MSNBC/CNBC/Tom Daschle in line for hefty dollars contingent on passage of nationalized health care. GE created Healthymagination, put Daschle on the board. Are investing their own money along with Intel on a medical rex system. Its success relies on Obama’s bill passing. The $100 billion cost to computerize every medical detail of every insured’s life via Harvard and Rand studies, Wash. Times article, Wilkow/Rizzuto, 5/11/09, GE, a Corporate Sponsor.There is no reason every Republican should not demand that US citizens be granted the same health plan as congress and Obama have. None.

Except we are not the party of won.

azred (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 1:48AM EST (link)

Elitist DC attitude. I got mine. Nothing new. Nothing will change.

 
 

ObamaCare, like the stimulus, is *already* working

SoFiMil (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 7:04AM EST (link)

Overnight, Obama has already single-handedly reduced the number of uninsured from 47 million to 30 million.

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