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	<title>Comments on: Paglia: Too late for Obama to turn it around?</title>
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		<title>By: geraldstephens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1671</link>
		<dc:creator>geraldstephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I forgot to thank Ms. M. Dowd for her contribution to the antagonists food source!

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		<title>By: geraldstephens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1670</link>
		<dc:creator>geraldstephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paglia&#039;s proclivities aside, it is heartwarming to see one of its mother protagonists feeding the Demrats from their own waste.

Unfortunately for the country and Demrat folks they are stuck with a POTUS (Parking -O- Ticket  -U- Scofflaw) that just keeps nurturing the angry antagonists.

Delightful offering, Mr. Perrin!

Gerald Stephens
Hartford CT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paglia&#8217;s proclivities aside, it is heartwarming to see one of its mother protagonists feeding the Demrats from their own waste.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for the country and Demrat folks they are stuck with a POTUS (Parking -O- Ticket  -U- Scofflaw) that just keeps nurturing the angry antagonists.</p>
<p>Delightful offering, Mr. Perrin!</p>
<p>Gerald Stephens<br />
Hartford CT</p>
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		<title>By: sickofitall</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1194</link>
		<dc:creator>sickofitall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and then I&#039;m done.  Sure, a person&#039;s choice of sexuality is a non-issue in the workplace... as long as that person is not someone that works with young people.  That&#039;s something I think a lot of Conservative people can agree on.  If that&#039;s not something that&#039;s OK to say on Red State... then I won&#039;t say it on Red State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and then I&#8217;m done.  Sure, a person&#8217;s choice of sexuality is a non-issue in the workplace&#8230; as long as that person is not someone that works with young people.  That&#8217;s something I think a lot of Conservative people can agree on.  If that&#8217;s not something that&#8217;s OK to say on Red State&#8230; then I won&#8217;t say it on Red State.</p>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1189</link>
		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony is just delicious. When the GOP talked of going nuclear to avoid Dem filibusters of so many Bush nominees - and filibustering nominees makes no logical sense, since you can tweak a bill but you can&#039;t tweak a person - the Dems went absolutely ape-you-know-what about destroying the traditions of the Senate, etc. Now that they are in charge, they see nothing wrong with ramming a trillion dollar bill down without letting it get filibustered. 

One set of rules for them; a different set for us. Isn&#039;t that typical?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is just delicious. When the GOP talked of going nuclear to avoid Dem filibusters of so many Bush nominees &#8211; and filibustering nominees makes no logical sense, since you can tweak a bill but you can&#8217;t tweak a person &#8211; the Dems went absolutely ape-you-know-what about destroying the traditions of the Senate, etc. Now that they are in charge, they see nothing wrong with ramming a trillion dollar bill down without letting it get filibustered. </p>
<p>One set of rules for them; a different set for us. Isn&#8217;t that typical?</p>
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		<title>By: montanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>montanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She (Paglia) happens to be friends with Rush; as I understand it, the two of them have enjoyed a few cigars together, and are able to have open and honest debates about their ideas. So, by virtue of association and, as one other commenter here has put it, her honesty, I think we can give her a pass. Besides that, in a proffessional setting a person&#039;s choice of sexuality is a non-issue just as a person&#039;s choice of entertainment is a non-issue. So let&#039;s not make it an issue here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She (Paglia) happens to be friends with Rush; as I understand it, the two of them have enjoyed a few cigars together, and are able to have open and honest debates about their ideas. So, by virtue of association and, as one other commenter here has put it, her honesty, I think we can give her a pass. Besides that, in a proffessional setting a person&#8217;s choice of sexuality is a non-issue just as a person&#8217;s choice of entertainment is a non-issue. So let&#8217;s not make it an issue here.</p>
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		<title>By: clowngirl</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1187</link>
		<dc:creator>clowngirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: clowngirl</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator>clowngirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Dingy Harry really intends to pass Obamacare with 51 votes - I think he&#039;s probably saying that to put pressure on/ provide cover for Snowe so she can say &quot;if I hadn&#039;t of caved they&#039;d have done an immediate public option - I bravely crossed party lines so we could have this nice delayed &quot;trigger&quot;  option&quot;

It would be suicide to force the increasingly radioactive  public option through via reconcialiation but besides rendering Reid&#039;s seat basically vacant and pretty giving the Republicans control of the House on a silver platter-  I don&#039;t think they can do it. Can they?

I&#039;ve read only a little bit about this - but my understanding is that Reconciliation is ONLY for budget bills - and both parties have occasionally abused it - but never to the degree that Reid is proposing. Anyway what I read is that if the Dems go the 51 vote route the GOP can turn their bill into &quot;swiss cheese&quot; by challenging any portion that involves policy change. I&#039;d say the public option  definitely qualifies as that!

Also, I read that bills passed through reconciliation have an automatic expiration date (as with the Bush tax cuts)  so even if they did pass something through reconciliation ( which I don&#039;t think they will ) it wouldn&#039; t be the same bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Dingy Harry really intends to pass Obamacare with 51 votes &#8211; I think he&#8217;s probably saying that to put pressure on/ provide cover for Snowe so she can say &#8220;if I hadn&#8217;t of caved they&#8217;d have done an immediate public option &#8211; I bravely crossed party lines so we could have this nice delayed &#8220;trigger&#8221;  option&#8221;</p>
<p>It would be suicide to force the increasingly radioactive  public option through via reconcialiation but besides rendering Reid&#8217;s seat basically vacant and pretty giving the Republicans control of the House on a silver platter-  I don&#8217;t think they can do it. Can they?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read only a little bit about this &#8211; but my understanding is that Reconciliation is ONLY for budget bills &#8211; and both parties have occasionally abused it &#8211; but never to the degree that Reid is proposing. Anyway what I read is that if the Dems go the 51 vote route the GOP can turn their bill into &#8220;swiss cheese&#8221; by challenging any portion that involves policy change. I&#8217;d say the public option  definitely qualifies as that!</p>
<p>Also, I read that bills passed through reconciliation have an automatic expiration date (as with the Bush tax cuts)  so even if they did pass something through reconciliation ( which I don&#8217;t think they will ) it wouldn&#8217; t be the same bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1171</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ann_W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann_W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If she doesn&#039;t understand why she can go down the hall and ask Joan Walsh to clarify things for her.</description>
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		<title>By: SoFiMil</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1166</link>
		<dc:creator>SoFiMil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the MSM and Van Jones (&quot;who&#039;s he?&quot;), the kooky kids have not mentioned the word &quot;Paglia&quot; even once, to include a stray comment responding to an unrelated diary.

http://www.dailykos.com/search?offset=0&amp;old_count=30&amp;string=Paglia&amp;type=both&amp;sortby=time&amp;search=Search&amp;count=30&amp;wayback=20160&amp;wayfront=0

This is why I don&#039;t take them or their liberal ideas and pals (Obama) seriously. They completely ignore obvious objections to their ideas and refuse to even acknowledge them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the MSM and Van Jones (&#8220;who&#8217;s he?&#8221;), the kooky kids have not mentioned the word &#8220;Paglia&#8221; even once, to include a stray comment responding to an unrelated diary.</p>
<p>http://www.dailykos.com/search?offset=0&amp;old_count=30&amp;string=Paglia&amp;type=both&amp;sortby=time&amp;search=Search&amp;count=30&amp;wayback=20160&amp;wayfront=0</p>
<p>This is why I don&#8217;t take them or their liberal ideas and pals (Obama) seriously. They completely ignore obvious objections to their ideas and refuse to even acknowledge them.</p>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1165</link>
		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you&#039;re in one: stop digging!

Your past coments at RedState have also indicated that you have an unhealthy preocupation with people&#039;s sexual practices. RedState is a political site; our only concern with people&#039;s sexual practices is when it becomes a poltical issues and especially a possible challenge to conservative principles and policies.

That is, we don&#039;t attack people for who they are or what they do in their personal lives; we don&#039;t engage in the practice of personal destruction like our opponents on the left. Rather, our challenges come in the political arena with what they want to do that will affect our lives.

For instance, arguing why the courts should or should not declare gay marriage to be a fundamental right is most apropos of discussion; vague refernces to the &quot;gay agenda&quot; are out of bounds. Slippery slope arguments had better be grounded on solid logic, not mere hypotheticals.

But above all, do not become a &quot;bot&quot; that has to bring sexual issues into every discussion. We are a full-service store here, not a niche market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you&#8217;re in one: stop digging!</p>
<p>Your past coments at RedState have also indicated that you have an unhealthy preocupation with people&#8217;s sexual practices. RedState is a political site; our only concern with people&#8217;s sexual practices is when it becomes a poltical issues and especially a possible challenge to conservative principles and policies.</p>
<p>That is, we don&#8217;t attack people for who they are or what they do in their personal lives; we don&#8217;t engage in the practice of personal destruction like our opponents on the left. Rather, our challenges come in the political arena with what they want to do that will affect our lives.</p>
<p>For instance, arguing why the courts should or should not declare gay marriage to be a fundamental right is most apropos of discussion; vague refernces to the &#8220;gay agenda&#8221; are out of bounds. Slippery slope arguments had better be grounded on solid logic, not mere hypotheticals.</p>
<p>But above all, do not become a &#8220;bot&#8221; that has to bring sexual issues into every discussion. We are a full-service store here, not a niche market.</p>
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		<title>By: sickofitall</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1164</link>
		<dc:creator>sickofitall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s a college professor and a published author.  How is that private?</description>
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		<title>By: owise1</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>owise1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If Obama fails to win reelection, let the blame be first laid at the door of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi...&quot;

How interesting.  President Obama is the Chief Executive, but the blame should go first to the Speaker of the House?  How Trumanesque.  

I agree with much of what Ms. Paglia has written here, but I&#039;m sorry, the President is primarily to blame for this mess.  He is to blame because he has been behaving just as he did when he was one of a hundred Senators (or one of who knows how many state senators in Illinois before that) rather than as the Chief Executive.  As a legislator, his M.O. was to lay back in the tall grass and wait for someone else to do all the hard work and heavy lifting and then step in to take or share credit for the work of others.  The Chief Executive Officer is not allowed that kind of leeway.  In the case of each of the major budget busting bills of his young administration (Cap &amp; Tax, the Stimulus, and now Health Care), the President turned the entire process over to Pelosi/Reed.  

To say, as Ms. Paglia implies, that he had no input and hence no blame for the result is to (1) stretch the bounds of credibility, and (2) ignore the obvious.  The fact of the matter is that President Obama was perfectly happy with everything that the Pelosi/Reed tag-team has produced.  Were he not, he surely would have been able to push for changes to make it more to his liking.  He did not.  Except for the fact that there has been enormous grass-roots push-back, there is no doubt that Obama would have signed the health care bill in a heart-beat.  

The President, like evening news anchor men/women, is a good speaker when he is reading from a script.  He was not an effective legislator (either in Illinois or D.C.), and he is most certainly out of his league as a Chief Executive.  But out of his league or not, he is still the Chief Executive, and he therefore is the first person on whose doorstep blame for this mess should be laid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Obama fails to win reelection, let the blame be first laid at the door of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>How interesting.  President Obama is the Chief Executive, but the blame should go first to the Speaker of the House?  How Trumanesque.  </p>
<p>I agree with much of what Ms. Paglia has written here, but I&#8217;m sorry, the President is primarily to blame for this mess.  He is to blame because he has been behaving just as he did when he was one of a hundred Senators (or one of who knows how many state senators in Illinois before that) rather than as the Chief Executive.  As a legislator, his M.O. was to lay back in the tall grass and wait for someone else to do all the hard work and heavy lifting and then step in to take or share credit for the work of others.  The Chief Executive Officer is not allowed that kind of leeway.  In the case of each of the major budget busting bills of his young administration (Cap &amp; Tax, the Stimulus, and now Health Care), the President turned the entire process over to Pelosi/Reed.  </p>
<p>To say, as Ms. Paglia implies, that he had no input and hence no blame for the result is to (1) stretch the bounds of credibility, and (2) ignore the obvious.  The fact of the matter is that President Obama was perfectly happy with everything that the Pelosi/Reed tag-team has produced.  Were he not, he surely would have been able to push for changes to make it more to his liking.  He did not.  Except for the fact that there has been enormous grass-roots push-back, there is no doubt that Obama would have signed the health care bill in a heart-beat.  </p>
<p>The President, like evening news anchor men/women, is a good speaker when he is reading from a script.  He was not an effective legislator (either in Illinois or D.C.), and he is most certainly out of his league as a Chief Executive.  But out of his league or not, he is still the Chief Executive, and he therefore is the first person on whose doorstep blame for this mess should be laid.</p>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1162</link>
		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid said yesterday that he&#039;ll pass it with 51 votes if Snowe won&#039;t cave, and that it will include a public option in some form or fashion.

So the Dems are going to pass a tweaked version of HR 3200, the Senate will pass a tweaked version of the Baucus bill, and there&#039;s no way in hell whatever comes out of conference will get killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid said yesterday that he&#8217;ll pass it with 51 votes if Snowe won&#8217;t cave, and that it will include a public option in some form or fashion.</p>
<p>So the Dems are going to pass a tweaked version of HR 3200, the Senate will pass a tweaked version of the Baucus bill, and there&#8217;s no way in hell whatever comes out of conference will get killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Perrin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1161</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they seem to have the head in the sand thing down really well</description>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1160</link>
		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah I know it&#039;s a nit</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Mullins</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1159</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dagnyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>dagnyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sound just like the crazy lefties who can&#039;t bear to hear a different opinion about anything and have to resort to mud slinging and paranoid accusations instead of thoughtful, reasoned, issues oriented debate.  Who cares what Paglia does in her private life?

**She&#039;s LEFT WING - THAT&#039;S the problem!!

I too noticed the very personalized anger in your message and it doesn&#039;t fit in on RedState. 

Thank you to Messrs Lane, Mullins and Wolf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound just like the crazy lefties who can&#8217;t bear to hear a different opinion about anything and have to resort to mud slinging and paranoid accusations instead of thoughtful, reasoned, issues oriented debate.  Who cares what Paglia does in her private life?</p>
<p>**She&#8217;s LEFT WING &#8211; THAT&#8217;S the problem!!</p>
<p>I too noticed the very personalized anger in your message and it doesn&#8217;t fit in on RedState. </p>
<p>Thank you to Messrs Lane, Mullins and Wolf.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mullins</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/09/09/pagalia-too-late-for-obama-to-turn-it-around/#comment-1157</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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