New York Times Editorial Urges Dems to Walk the Plank, Alone


It is difficult to understand the degree of the lack of understanding of health care reform politics that could produce the “go it alone” editorial by the New York Times today.

Essentially, the New York Times is advising the Democratic Congress to expose itself to enormous political risk for the sake of health care reform, and gives no recognition that the fundamental political baseline of health care reform has been reset.

The go it alone on health care reform blindly ignores the divides within the Democratic Party on health care reform, and these bill-killing-divisions include:

i) including abortion as a benefit;

ii) cutting Medicare by half a trillion dollars;

iii) to include or not, a public option;

iv) raising taxes (and which ones) to pay for the plan;

v) privacy issues over health care databases, of concern to privacy and second amendment activists;

vi) the personal animosity among Democratic members — the most recent example of which is the Chairman of the Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health calling his fellow Blue Dog Members of Congress “brain dead,” and that they are pursuing a “right-wing” agenda to get donations from the health care industry;

vii) the deficit and debt and $1 trillion in new spending questions;

viii) the government’s control over all of the health plans that could be offered by insurers through the Health Information Exchange, and

ix) a collection of lesser issues of high concern to individual members that deal with their districts or states, that combined with all of the above, give them the back-bone to be at NO; and,

x) any combination of any of the above.

Political analyst Charlie Cook warned earlier this month that the political situation on health care reform had gotten completely out of hand, and that to expect things to remain the same when Congress returns would be a mistake. He is warning that the broadly based negative reaction by the American public (especially seniors and independents) has political consequences. The New York Times blithely ignores this new reality.

The New York Times seems to think that the change that is needed is not changing the reform proposed by the liberals in Congress, but changing the tactics by which these reforms are passed.

It as if the editorial board of the New York Times is standing in a rainstorm without an umbrella or rain coat and insisting they are not wet.

Furthermore, the New York Times heaps blame on Republicans for the trouble health reform is in now, not on the design of the reform that Americans are loudly and clearly objecting to — which is the height of contortionism. Democrats have a huge majority in the U.S. House, 59 votes in the U.S. Senate (including two independents), the White House, the boot-licking media who keep pushing the reform agenda down American’s throats and Phrma’s millions in ad dollars. But the New York Times blames the Republicans — not the Democrats — for the health reform troubles. After all, if the New York Times did not blame the Republicans, they would have to blame the American people. This, of course, would not help sell newspapers, would it? And the New York Times would have to admit they are on the wrong side of the American public, which would seriously disrupt their strong sense of moral superiority on the health care issue.

Political Risk

As a rule, Members of Congress are a risk-adverse group, and the political risks of health care reform exceed any issue since the demise of Hillarycare.

Despite the New York Times refusal to recognize that the Republican boogieman is an unbelievable straw man, it is an excuse along the lines of the dog-ate-my-homework (i.e. it is not credible) and is a generally a tired and worn-out excuse by liberals who have repeatedly made colossal political errors, the New York Times does acknowledge their prescription in this editorial, not to change the reform, but to pass as much of the proposed reform as possible, is risky:

“If the Democrats want to enact health care reform this year, they appear to have little choice but to adopt a high-risk, go-it-alone, majority-rules strategy.”

“The approach is risky.”

“Clearly the reconciliation approach is a risky.”

The New York Times (amazingly) also acknowledges that “Next year, as the midterm elections approach, it will be even harder for legislators to take controversial stands. After the elections, if history is any guide, the Democratic majorities could be smaller.”So why, exactly, is it that Democratic Senators and Congressmen should risk their political lives on a plan being pushed by the New York Times?

Good question, and one the New York Times hints at very slightly, in its statement at the start of the editorial:

“If the Democrats want to enact health care reform this year….”

So it has come to this, in a major Sunday New York Times editorial, they are at “IF the Democrats want to enact health reform….”

There is a saying in election politics: if by putting your candidate out on the stump, their poll numbers keep going down, stop putting your candidate out on the stump. (Another version of this saying is: they don’t have the sense to get out of the rain.)

It is unclear if this lesson has been lost on the Democrats — the more they talk about health care reform, the worst their poll numbers get — but they keep talking about it. They keep thinking up new reasons to talk about it — to keep standing in the rain.

In short, health care reform is in a political death whirlpool, and the New York Times is standing in the rain, insisting they are not wet, and telling their friends in the Democratic party, I know whirlpools can be risky, but really, the risk is worth it.

Put yourself in a Democratic member of the U.S. House or U.S. Senate, would you want to reform health care this year and face the x) issues (likely more) listed above, or, would you rather go through the exercise of looking like you are trying, and as James Carville said, let it die and blame the Republicans?


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The NYT is right

Achance (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 12:52PM EST (link)

about one piece though; doesn’t matter what administration, the only time you can pass any sweeping agenda item is the first or third year and the third only works if your “friends” did well in the mid-term election. For something as fundamental as health care, cap and trade, or card check, you need to get it done in the first year so you can get through all the court appeals during a four year term. Any later, the appeals can be strung out and the iniative just becomes trade bait in the Presidential election.

In Vino Veritas

Translation: They Can't Get Any Of Their Agenda Done

IJB Monday, August 31st at 1:46PM EST (link)

I love the situation the Dems have put themselves in. Either:

1) They enact some/most/all of their agenda, most/all of which is incredibly unpopular with large majorities of the electorate, and see their heads get handed to them in the 2010 elections (followed by the likely gutting of said agenda in 2 years).

Or,

2) They sit on their hands, do nothing, let the remainder of their agenda die, and hope they still get reelected next year, against an onslaught of Republican ads proclaiming a “Do Nothing” Congress in the midst of massive unemployment.

In other words, it’s a lose-lose for them now.
Though, of the two options, #2 looks slightly more benign to their prospects in this commenter’s eyes…

If they had the courage and audacity,

Achance (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 2:39PM EST (link)

ramming the trifecta through – cap and tax, socialized medicine, and card check – and the only way they’d ever be removed from power would be a gun point. Card check is the key to communist power and organization; they should have done it before anyone on the right got out of the funk we were all in as we consided how far we’d fallen in two years. If they’d have done it first, there would have been no organized opposition to the other things on their wish list. Even now, if they could ram card check through they’d have effective electoral control but they’d court both serious court challenges and outright violence to try to cement their control.

In Vino Veritas

Which Is Why It's a Good Thing Dems Are Incapable of Effective Governance!

IJB Monday, August 31st at 4:19PM EST (link)

I totally agree that if the Dems had just passed Card Check first, and Amnesty immediately after that (it’s those two that are the *key*…), back in Feb., they’d have so tilted the playing field that they’d be unbeatable.

Luckily for the rest of us, Democrats (for various self-inflicted reasons) are incapable of effective governance.

‘Cos, if they were, this country (and the world) would already have gone to Hell.

 

It is about power

student Wednesday, September 2nd at 12:21AM EST (link)

Create a Trojan Horse that automatically leads to nationalization of 15% of the economy and reduces doctors, nurses and basically 15% of the workforce to the same electoral servitude as teachers and postal workers – couple it with centering the census in the office of a manipulator like Rahm using Acorn-types to alter the numbers – mix in open borders followed by an Amnesty program and convert half f the people into net freeloaders paying no taxes and you have the Democratic dream – remove all those pesky problems with being kicked out of office whenever you foist your socialist utopia on them.

 
 

2)

Dan Perrin (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 8:41PM EST (link)

will be much less bloody for them

 
 
 

Be a political suicide bomber

SG_Lominac (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 12:53PM EST (link)

if necessary to advance this particular socialist football. What’s a few seats next to government control forever. Unfortunately for the Times, self-sacrifice isn’t a big motivation for liberal politicians.

From the movie “Hard Times”

Jill Ireland: “What does it feel like to knock somebody down?”
Charles Bronson: “It makes me feel a hell of a lot better than it does him.”

Or any

Dan Perrin (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 8:42PM EST (link)

politician

 
 

Loophole for illegal aliens

publiussteve Monday, August 31st at 12:55PM EST (link)

And I’ll add that despite Obama’s claims and spin to the contrary, the House bill would allow illegal aliens to obtain coverage. As the Congressional Research Service noted, “HR 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitizens whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently.”

A recent Rasmussen poll showed that “80% of U.S. voters oppose providing government health care coverage for illegal immigrants as part of the health care reform package that is working its way through Congress.”

 

I Agree With The Times

tsquare (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 1:05PM EST (link)

Pass it… Pass it alone… not one GOP member should EVER vote for this.

Then lose Congress and the Whit House… the GOP running on ‘repeal this bill!’

Sweet…

If they tried to pass it alone

Dan Perrin (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 8:43PM EST (link)

I still do not think they have the votes

 
 

My number 1 concern

DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 1:08PM EST (link)

…with this bill is that it is clearly unconstitutional yet almost no one in the GOP is bringing that fact up. While it’s worthwhile to discuss and debate the specifics of this monstrosity to expose the Leftist agenda, in the end, the bill should die simply because the federal government has NO authority to create a national health care plan.

If we can’t or won’t draw a Constitutional line in the sand here and now, will we ever?

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

Madison

DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 1:10PM EST (link)

One of my new favorite quotes,

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison, 1794

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

 

It is rife with Constitutional concerns

illinoisconservative (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 2:10PM EST (link)

and I too am perplexed why the GOP is not hammering them on this.

Among other things, how can they offer a nationally available public plan that competes with private insurance plans while leaving those private plans to be regulated state-by-state.

If they do not make all private insurance plans available nationwide (lowering costs through free market competition, btw..), and thus leave state regulations in place, shouldn’t a public plan be subject to the regulations of each state?

Clearly, these dopes haven’t thought this through very well, which only helps us.

Let them go it alone! Be my guest! We’ll have your seats back in 2010 and 2012!

There is nothing stopping any

Catesby jobrien@data-direct.net Monday, August 31st at 9:20PM EST (link)

insurance company from opening shop in any state if they so choose, as long as they comply with the minimum regulations of each state.

They chose not to because they prefer to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond, and because they are unique in that they are not subject to anti-trust regulation.

They are trying to persuade us to allow them to sell policies across state lines so they can have a free-for-all like the credit card companies did. Remember how well that worked out – all the credit card companies moved to one or two states with little or no regulations – taking their jobs with them. And undermining YOUR right to set the laws in your state as you and the other residents see fit.

We can hardly complain about creeping Federalism and loss of States rights on one hand, and then so easily be led into completely abandoning that position when it comes to health insurance.

I am also known as stellainoz. As you can see, I am attempting to sockpuppet RedState; unfortunately, I did so in an easily-caught fashion, so *if* I am being paid for this I should not be.

 
 
 

The Times is dying

johnt Monday, August 31st at 1:36PM EST (link)

and they want company.
This is what an irrational, burning lust for dominance of the lives of others does to minds teetering on the brink.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful for both the Times and the Democrats to be crippled at about the same time? Two blemishes on American civilization wounded by a hate they share, beautiful.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

More good advice from The Times

RedBeard Monday, August 31st at 1:58PM EST (link)

“Danger, danger! You need to drain the water out of that leaky boat before it sinks. Try drilling a big hole in the bottom. That should work. If not, drill another one.”

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

Nice

Dan Perrin (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 8:44PM EST (link)

LOL here.

 
 

I'm Afraid This Is What Democrats Are Going To Do

DavidSage (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 2:17PM EST (link)

The Democrats have such a large majority, I can still see them passing this thing, letting the blue dogs vote against it (which aren’t enough to kill this bill) and just taking their chances in the mid term election. The Dem leadership know most of these blue dogs are going to get knocked off anyway, so they might as well get the bill they want. Most of the Democrats in the House are in safe, gerrymandered districts, or in comfortable Blue States, so they have no problem going full steam ahead.

The Democrats know they’re going to have a bad election, but they’ll still most likely have the majority on both the House, Senate, and they’ll still have the White House regardless of what happens in 2010.

I know most people have concluded that Health Care reform is dead, but I’m still worried they could throw a Hail Mary.

Their Problem Is The Senate

IJB Monday, August 31st at 4:16PM EST (link)

If they pass a partisan massively Left-Wing bill out of the House on a 219-218 vote (and that’s probably what it’d be), it starts to become too radioactive for the Senate to even *touch*. (See: Cap ‘n’ Tax.)

The Dems problem is that there are, what?, 15? 20?, Senate Democrats in Red or Purple states, and while most of them aren’t up in 2010, a bill passed on a 219-218 vote is bad enough to make plenty of them skittish at the prospect.

I don’t see how they ‘square this circle’…

Yes, the House

Dan Perrin (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 8:45PM EST (link)

will walk the plank, again.

If the House were smart, they would wait for the Senate.

 
 

As things stand now, the Democrats will have a bad election in 2010.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 11:30PM EST (link)

If they adopt HR3200 as health care reform, they will have a bad raised to the power of terrible election in 2010. As in, it might be the one thing that could return Republicans to the majority in the Senate. And while Harry “the Body” Reid might be too stupid to know that, I’d lay odds there are more than 10 Democrat senators who aren’t.

 
 

Go New York Times!!!! Our new best friend!!!

snowshooze (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 8:40PM EST (link)

Gosh;
This is great, egg them on to complete and total failure!
Obviously, NYT has nothing to lose, so they are handing out free advice and I couldn’t be happier, I sincerely hope the entire Obama administration does a nosedive and is forced out of office, and if NYT want’s to help by coaxing them to their doom, I couldn’t possibly be happier. I would love to see a total train wreck, the kind that just keeps on coming. I sincerely hope John McCain is under the first car too, because he keeps preaching bi-partisan..bi-sexual…cross the isle…
Do not cross the isle without a gun and a knife! That is why you cross the isle, to gather scalp! It is supposed to be a trophy hunt!
If I wanted a Democrat…I would have joined up!! You do not win by giving up!
Anyhow, with a bit of luck, the Democrats will blow it all by themselves.
We need a REAL Republican party, not this mush mouth cracker-butt. No disrespect, just the truth.

Yes, the NYTs

Dan Perrin (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 8:46PM EST (link)

is the new cheerleader for middle aged men and women elected to Congress to go cliff diving.

Do you always do what your friends say?

 

Beginning to think they are all

exidore (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 9:17PM EST (link)

part of the problem.

S-shoes, your reference to McCain’s “bi” is right on, he has it in spades.

Could it be that both parties are so comfortable with each other that this is just a big Kabuki play? We, of course, are just subjects that merely need to be sucked into believing the BS every election cycle.

How do we end this pattern? How do we get the bums all out of office, and a new crop of people who profess of no loyalty to a party, just selfless service to the citizens of their state/district?

That’s what was originally intended, I thought. How do we go back there?
OOPS, don’t answer that. Think I know how that would happen. Keep your powder dry, boys.

“Death smiles at everyone. Soldiers smile back.”

 
 

Dan, you are obviously confused.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Monday, August 31st at 11:32PM EST (link)

No editor or reporter at the NYT has any friends who are opposed to Obamacare, so it can’t possibly be dangerous to political careers.

 

yes, thank you

Dan Perrin (Diary) Tuesday, September 1st at 12:13PM EST (link)

for clearing that up.

The only way to get a NEWCongress

nels96 (Diary) Tuesday, September 1st at 3:02PM EST (link)

The best answer to this question and any other question is to throw all of Congress OUT!

The only infallible, unstoppable, guaranteed way to get a truly new Congress is : NEVER REELECT ANY INCUMBENT! AND DO IT EVERY ELECTION!

Most folks think I am too unreasonable in asking everyone to NEVER REELECT ANYONE IN CONGRESS. They think it’s an ‘extremist’ position. But that’s the whole point! Congress will never listen to us UNLESS we scare the bejesus out of them! To drive the point home, NEVER REELECT ANYONE IN CONGRESS, AND DO IT EVERY ELECTION!

The closer we get to a “Voter’s One-Term Congress”, the closer we’ll get to a “Citizen’s Congress”.

There is only one way to make this happen : The American voter must IMPOSE term limits on Congress by NEVER REELECTING ANYONE IN CONGRESS, AND DO IT EVERY ELECTION! In other words, don’t let anyone serve more than one term. That’s the only way to teach them that the voter is the boss! The “one term limit” can be eased AFTER citizens get control of Congress.

Congress will never allow us to constitutionally term limit them by an amendment. Our only choice is to NEVER REELECT them. All of them!

Remember too, it makes no difference who you vote for, as long as it is NEVER any incumbent.

I believe that even a little success in a campaign to NEVER REELECT ANYONE IN CONGRESS would move us a long way toward a revolutionary change in American politics, much like 1776. Some of the reasons in favor of this approach:

• It gives us a one-term, term limited Congress without using amendments
• It would be supported by 70% of the country who want term limits for Congress
• It is completely non-partisan
• If repeated, it ends career politicians dominating Congress
• It opens the way to a “citizen Congress”
• It ends the seniority system that keeps freshmen powerless
• It doesn’t cost you any money. But you MUST vote! Just don’t vote for an incumbent
• It is the only guaranteed, infallible, unstoppable way to “Throw ALL the Bums Out”
• It takes effect immediately the day after Election Day
• If it doesn’t work, do it again and again! It will work eventually, I promise.

NEVER REELECT ANYONE IN CONGRESS. AND DO IT EVERY ELECTION!

Nelson Lee Walker of tenurecorrupts.com Saratoga, CA

Nelson Lee Walker
http://tenurecorrupts.com
nels96@gmail.com

I don't think this is the way to go about it....

discerningconservative (Diary) Tuesday, September 1st at 3:26PM EST (link)

If you honestly want to change congress, there are reasonable ways to go about it. You could become a Precinct Committeeman. There are likely open seats in your county. Attend your local meetings, ask about open positions, meet your county officials. I attended my county meeting last month and learned that we have 3 open seats in my county. I will be confirmed as a PC in our next meeting. I have invested 8 hours total in the process (the meeting was 2 hours and I volunteered to work in the county GOP tent at the county fair for 6 hours). While working at the fair, I met my district’s representative to the state house of representatives. Once he learned I was a PC, he became much more interested in listening to me. He even asked for my phone number and email address. I know that he isn’t going to call me and ask how to vote on bills, but this is where change starts.

I have never seen a football game won by a player on the sideline cheering the loudest. If you really want change, get in the game. It all starts at the local level.