Oh, ok Jim, you mean like that interest group money – from the pro-socialism forces – that is outspending the anti-healthcare-socialism groups by 5x? THAT interest group money?

Dipwad.

money!

The game could be:

1) Lowered expectations, meaning let’s look like we’re not trying any more, then:

2) Sucker punch, meaning thrash together something compromisy and ram it through resolution-style.

3) Say anything to get the crappy bill out of the news cycle until we can pull off a midnight pusch/cloture.

4) The special interest money is a little slow,

5) Sandbag

6) Rinse and repeat

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Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

if Howitzer Explosionguy over at CNN pointed out to Carville that A. the Republicans are powerless right now and can’t actually filibuster anything and B. the really important special interests (AKA Big Pharma, AARP, SEIU, AFL-CIO, Moveon.org….the list goes on and on) have lined up solidly behind Barry on this. I’m sure he did. Had to. That’s what a real non-sycophantic journalist would do.

still Republicans can kill the bill. Our base is intelligent enough to believe us and then we can always enlighten moderates. And we don’t care about right-wing racists. Republicans have magical powers. They can kill the bill with 40% seats. CNN/MSNBC is doing great in the viewer market. Credit geniuses like me.

James Carville

I know it is foney and I don’t want it. It time ti KILL obamacare and start with a small bill with big stick to TORT REFORM TORT REFORM, ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS.
It would be amazing how much Insurance companies could lower malpractice insurance for Docters and Hospitals there by reducing HEALTHCARE COSTS.

A Doctor HAS to pay the Insurance companies the equivalent of THEIR annual salary to protect the Docter from slip and fall lawyers. There is the villians. The same holds true for Hospitals Insurance. obama was once a lawyer but he doesn’t have a license now. I wonder what happened? Just a simple question.

KILL OBAMACARE BEFORE IT KILLS AMERICA

So, let’s get this straight:

According to Howard Dean, health care ‘reform’ has never been anything other than a political weapon? That’s the takeaway from this: it was never about doing anything the President said, it’s about politics with other people’s money.

Essentially he just admitted it, and testified to the single most important reason ObamaCare shouldn’t be passed in any form.

In other words, let’s keep health care alive as a political issue that can win elections, even if we let, er, uh, I mean, blame the GOP killing it dead.

TORT REFORM NOW — Get rid of the Edward’s ambulance chasers, loser pays. And while we are at it, why not admit that paying for all the illegal aliens in the USA cannot continue.

AMNESTY — Just stealing the jobs US taxpayers used to have.

The sails are torn and the mast lay in splinters. Their crew is laying wounded all over the deck.Tea partiers are swinging in with knives in their teeth to capture the survivors. Capt. Palin on the U.S.S. Death Panel is hoisting the pirate flag.

Aaaarrggggg…..

I know if Republicans were at this point with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, and lopsided margins in the House, and the White House, I’d seriously consider leaving the party if we blew an opportunity like this to make a policy change that we had been fighting for generations.

Liberals have been fighting for this since FDR, and they won’t get another opportunity like this for at least another generation. The Republicans are completely powerless in terms of votes in Congress, if the public option dies, it will be at the hands of Democrats, and the base will know that.
Liberals will have good reason to purge their party, and may even start voting 3rd party.

Should be fun to watch.

We know that meaningful tort reform is the most important aspect of ANY legitmate healthcare reform.

We also know that Democrats will never allow this to happen as long as they have the votes to stop it.

Let’s insist on it in any compromise bill and let the Democrats be the ones to kill it.

When we get about 65 Reublicans in the Senate and about 300 in the House, to go along with a committed conservative GOP President, then maybe, just maybe we will actually be able to get it passed. In the meantime, let’s just remind the public of who is in the pockets of the Trial Lawyers.

The pressure needs to be kept up by the folks to defeat this bill. This thing isn’t dead yet by a long shot.

As Dean said, the Senate will pass their version without a public option, and the House will pass their version with the public option included. The Democrats will have to write the bill into the budget without Republicans and pass it with a reconciliation vote.

They control the House, Senate, and White House by extraordinary numbers. In my world that would prove that they have no leadership or governing skills if they could not get what they wanted passed.

But then again, chickens come home to roost when you push “conservative” Dems who are looking to keep their jobs in conservative districts that they will vote conservative when it means their jobs in a year and three months.

Unfortunately there is no rest for the weary. We Conservatives would prefer to just go home to our families, mind our own business, and live our lives in peace in a country whose founding documents guaranteed our autonomy and liberty. But the damn socialists are forever trying to undo the Constitution and tear down our country root and branch and thus we can never “go home”.

We cannot let the GOP reach a compromise with the Liberals because we all know that a little compromise now, a little compromise later and before we know it the Progressives will have gained everything they had originally set their eyes upon.

We have them on the run. Now is the time to force them back over the cliff and deal a mortal blow to Liberalism. The American people seem to be waking up to the fact that they have been like the proverbial frog slowly being boiled. We have been incrementally losing bits and pieces of our liberty for decades and unfortunately for Obama he turned the heat up too quickly and the normally complacent American public has felt it. Had Obama proceeded at a slower pace we might have been fully cooked but he was hungry and so set the burner on high. Well, the frog may have just jumped out of the pot in time to save ourselves.

Obamacare and any incarnation of government run health care is simply unconstitutional and must be defeated. We at least have the Constitution on our side and can force the Democrats to provide Constitutional authority for their schemes. Hold their feet to the public fire.

Strike now, strike hard from all directions.

Can seniors keep their current level of access to care???

The Dems are championing NO

“made his bones” with the 1990 upset win by Harris Wofford for a Pennsylvania Senate seat, defeating former USAG Richard Thornburgh, which was attributed mainly to Wofford’s central campaign issue of “universal health care.” Before then he had worked for both Republicans and Democrats, mostly in the South, with positive results (but nothing to write home about).

After Wofford, he went nationwide and was tapped by the Clinton campaign, selling them also on the benefits of socialized medicine. The health care debacle not only derailed the whole “Clinton agenda,” it gave the GOP the opening it needed to recapture the Congress (with major help from the House Banking scandal which nailed many prominent Dems).

Nonetheless, Carville has survived and prospered as an analyst and consultant ever since. Being a doctrinaire leftist means never having to say you’re sorry.

to let this health care bill die at the hands of the Republicans, given his background on the issue, gives his advice on what to do about the Obamacare implosion even more weight

Can anyone explain why this weasel keeps showing up on network and cable TV? Is it because he’s married to a famous woman, a sort of minor-key mirror image of Bill and Hillary? My guess is he’s so available he available for everything down to an envelope opening.