Comments on: IBD: House Dems Bill will make Individual Health Insurance Illegal

By: Dan Perrin

Dan Perrin — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:12:48 +0000

Ya think?

By: Dan Perrin

Dan Perrin — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:09:50 +0000

— you can check in but you can never leave

By: gameshark123

gameshark123 — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:07:40 +0000

From my interpretation of the legislation, that specific paragraph is defining what a “grandfathered plan” would be. The bill is stating that after a certain effective date, companies can’t offer plans on their existing terms and must meet certain standards (i.e. coverage a certain % of employees or costs).

Not saying that I agree with enforcing such regulations on private plans (isn’t the public plan supposed to be “competitive?”), but to say that this is ending the legality of private plans is going a little bit to an extreme.

By: civil_truth

civil_truth — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:03:59 +0000

…so your group vs. individual issue become irrelevant. Everyone will have to belong to a one size fits all government plan. And when you don’t fit into this Procrustean bed)…

By: mblack

mblack — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:50:48 +0000

How Orwellian of Congressmanpigtroll Waxman to let us keep our current insurance plans until, oops we need to make a change to the plan after this turd burger of a piece of legislation is foisted upon us.

This is not so unbelievable anymore that American Citizens and those whom are here in a LEGAL Immigration status working and providing for themselves will be penalized for having their own health insurance plans, in the form of their liberties and free choice being subverted when their plan changes all in the name of equality.

I say what a load of s*&@ that is. I suppose that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AKA UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS will not be covered by this new National Soviet Health Plan, my bad no surprise there they are going to be completely covered how nice of us.

By: randy streu

randy streu — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:15:46 +0000

By: tempest

tempest — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:56:56 +0000

as once the people learn about this…I view it as a poison pill. Can you imagine Obama telling Hollywood or the NY elites…no you can’t have your own private health insurance…you have to have the government plan.

I thinks that provision alone will kill that version of the bill.

By: red4ever

red4ever — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:21:58 +0000

Entering this country not at a proper point of entry, with the right paperwork — just fine. Don’t try to stop that.

Paying for your own health insurance — illegal and must be stopped.

Only to a Liberal would that make sense.

By: NightTwister

NightTwister — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:06:06 +0000

…all of the back alley medical procedures that will be performed after this is signed into law…?

By: Yil

Yil — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:48:54 +0000

Does the bill provided that insurance companies must accept you as part of a group plan rather than an as an individual? If so, that isn’t a bad thing. Individual rates are significantly higher than group rates and offer worse coverage. Group/corporate plans don’t usually have a way to reject applicants either. I believe the Senate version eliminated pre-existing condition clauses and this would effectively do the same thing.

By: miken

miken — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:06:26 +0000

Republicans need to take a medium sized state where they have control, like Kentucky, South Carolina, Indiana, Missouri, Tennessee, or Georgia, and change the medical licensing rules to allow Canadian doctors to be licensed without repeating the residency and internship requirements.

The AMA would throw a fit, but it would lower health care costs, and if specialists came, would bring in tax revenue as people from other states flocked to the care.

If you could implement this in Texas or Florida, the Canadian health care system would collapse.

By: gonzo55

gonzo55 — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:57:40 +0000

The duplicitous gradualism of Fuhrer Obama and the democrats in moving towards single-payer health care astonishes and infuriates me. What possible purpose could this paragraph advance other than moving towards SP?

The Holocaust was contemporaneously tolerated by the German people because of just this sort of shifty slippery slopes and atrocious propaganda by the Nazi MSM. Given the certain effect of government-run health care on waiting times, quality of care, and the international supply of doctors, this health care plan may end up being just as deadly, and just as preventable.

By: bret

bret — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:47:34 +0000

This should make every single person here dizzy with anger. We need to jump on this and make sure that EVERYONE understands what this means.

If the general public is made aware of this, and the bill still passes, then I cannot imagine a scenario that does not involve riots in the streets.

By: evanm

evanm — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:09:56 +0000

Yeah, I see that “Except as provided in this paragraph” there, too. So I checked out the original paragraph:

(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.
(B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PERMITTED.—Subparagraph (A) shall not affect the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an individual who is covered as of such first day.

And that’s it. The only permitted exception is for a dependent to an existing plan.

So, basically, yeah. The provision outlaws private insurance as it exists now.